Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah - The Missing Disciples

[IllPropaganda]

Up all night going through your uploads!

Debunking Christianity, Metal, guitars, airbrush, Famous Monsters!

Enjoying it all, brother!

[TruthSurge]

@IllPropaganda thank ya! no telling how many hrs I have in the vids and the creation of them. 3 years that's for sure. 250 x 6 min would estimate it. hmm about 25 hours I guess. not that much after all. but most of it took me loads of time to just create.

[fa272]

Luke 2:52- And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

How can an omniscent being increase in wisdom? Or how can you increase in favour with god if you ARE god?......

[TruthSurge]

Now, now, fa272.... you know god works in mysterious ways. Jesus, who is also god, willfully relinquished all his god-ness when he became a man. No wait, then how could he do miracles? Ah, it was really god doing them THROUGH Jesus. yeah! And all that stuff Jesus knew that only god could, that was god TELLING Jesus that stuff. yeah! and when he prayed to himself in the garden of gethsemene.... well, that was just his schizophrenia kicking in.

[Katalyzt]

Exceptional work TruthSurge ★★★★★

Katalyzt

[TruthSurge]

thanks!

[Drosis]

great vid

[TruthSurge]

thanks.

[fa272]

When did Jesus acsend into heaven? Depends on which book you read.

Luke 24:1-51, Mark 16:9-16 say same day of resurrection.

John 20:26 says at least 8 days after resurrection.

Acts 1:2-3, 9 says 40 days after resurrection.

Awfully huge contradictions for supposed "divinely inspired, eyewitness accounts", eh?

They all supposedly knew the same guy, witnessed everything, but can't even agree about miraculous, major details? I smell the work of....ORDINARY MEN.

[TruthSurge]

ordinary men composing their own versions of previous fictional tales. wake up folks and smell dah coffee. :)

[adrenacrumb]

What are your thoughts on Luke having to go out of his way and falsify the events that led to Jesus being born in Bethlehem? Does seem pretty silly if it was completely fiction.

[TruthSurge]

Not at all. He knew he was writing fiction since he was copying the written gospels of both Mark, Matthew and possibly Q. He knew he was synthesizing history as he mulled over Josephus' Jewish War and Antiquities of the Jews to give his gospel the air of veracity. Why copy Matthew's genealogy and change Joseph's father? Seems like a weird change. Bottom line, each author was a writer and they also had their particular theologies. They took what came b4 and molded it into something new.

[TruthSurge]

Assume Mark was complete fiction. Why did Matthew change Jesus into a more powerful one? It fit his understanding of who a Messiah should be. No magic working needed. Just speak the word and BOOM. each author had several agendas. Matthew was obsessed with creating prophecy fulfillments in order to try and leave no doubt that the Jesus of Mark's gospel WAS the messiah. Luke is a more Jewish affair while Mark and Matthew are prob gentiles.

[adrenacrumb]

Bring up some fine points. I'm finding quite a few scholars that hold the Jesus myth theory is understandable and not as fringe as I once thought. You definitely know your bible, I left the church too early to deeply familiarize myself with it so I'm learning quite a bit here.

[TruthSurge]

Lots of this can be seen by just putting the accts side by side. You'll see an evolution of theology fromMark to Matthew to Luke. You'll see Luke changing Matthew and Matthew changing Mark. Not the earmark of eyewitnesses especially when they wrote 40 to maybe 80 years AFTER Jesus alleged death. It's fiction. Almost each saying and event in Jesus life can be traced to the Old Testament. Gospel Fictions by Randel Helms. Get a copy! You'll be amazed.

[adrenacrumb]

Hehe I've seen all of your videos. :)

Quite informative. I was surprised by the direct ripoffs of the OT. Really puts it into perspective how the NT came about.

[adrenacrumb]

Especially enjoyed the videos you did about Jesus sinning under Jewish law. Definitely illustrates that if Jesus really never sinned it was by his own standard that he had just made up which is a bit ridiculous.

[TruthSurge]

AND that corroborates the point that Mark and Matthew were NOT Jews and did NOT intimately know or follow Jewish ritual else they'd SURELY have known that Jesus couldn't touch a dead body. Jeebus! what were they thinking? What was LUKE thinking? He also allows Jesus to touch her WHILE she was dead, a strict no-no equivalent to sin. But in his haste to copy, he prob didn't even think of that. So many laws and so much fiction to compose.

[adrenacrumb]

I'm not sure if the story was patterned after a rabbi called Jesus, but what I am sure of is the entire gospels are absolute bull. It makes much more sense to see Jesus as a symbol to represent the suffering Isreal had gone through and what that meant to them much in the same way the Old Testament had the same purpose.

[adrenacrumb]

Jesus did an absolutely terrible job making it known he was the son of God. Almost as bad a job as he did intelligently designing the universe. I guess he was thinking I'll do a really bad job now but later followers will go around torturing and slaughtering to spread my work so I don't need to give too much away. Also, some heads up on the whole Muhammad thing probably would have been a good call.

[fa272]

Jesus tells his disciples that the end of the world WILL occur within their lifetime (I.e. his second coming)

Matt 16:28- Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, that shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matt 26:64- Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Also, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27, Mark 14:62.

Face it...JESUS IS NOT COMING BACK!

[farvision]

fa272 - nice point. Jesus probably didn't come the first time either (God who wasn't there video). But I like the quote "shall not taste death" ... do these people think that there folks 2000 years old hanging around? Ok, Christians prove it! Find the old dudes!!

[fa272]

Thanks :) Yeah.. those ancient are sure to be around somewhere! There are other verses which state that other strange events will occur within the lifetime of the disciples also, but due to the damn 500 char count it's hard to fully present anything here Youtube. Oh well, people will have to stop being lazy and research and read their own book. I fully encourage folks to read all the surrounding verses also, so they can't scream "out of context".

[AVoxHumana]

This is an extremely intriguing theory, and I'm really glad you're back posting videos about it.

[8WholeThing]

Thanks for pointing me to BBlue Letter Bible. You can use disciple* to get your results. You can go to the Advanced Search to select general groupings of books. You can type in specific books or abbreviations separated by a ; . You can use OR, NOT, or AND and the must be uppercase or they will be treated as words.

The NIV also has Mark 3:14 with "apostles" but compared to the KJV, they seem to be substituting a word for a longer phrase.

[CousinoMacul]

How does this work with the other translations? Or in the original Greek?

[TruthSurge]

godz yt sucks. I typed 3 replies and none took.

Disciples is not in any translation outside of acts and gospels.  mathetes. If you find it, let me know.

[ItsDaSuperFly]

Jesus was not Real? NOOOOO!!!!!!!

[TruthSurge]

OHhhhhhhh, you doesn't have to say he wasn't REAL! You could say he was simply mythical. You can say he was anti-historical. You could say he was non-existent. But ya doesn't have to say he wasn't REAL! hahahaha wazzup?

I gotta work on a paying gig now so my next vids may be a while. :(

[CousinoMacul]

@ItsDaSuperFly YESSSSS!!!!!!  :-P

[timeofwonder2009]

How was that joke again? "It if the final proof of God's omnipotence that he need not exist in order to save us."