Re: Ibn Masud's Death and the Text of the Qur'an

[TheHonestTheist]

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[ZIRRESAFO]

I dont get one thing:Why Mohammad didnt learn how to read and wright?He couldnt during his poor childhood.He was enough rich after the age 25.Even after last revelation,he didnt bother to collect the original text(there was an animal skin shortage at the time I guess).Even he was still alive when his companions wasnt agree about the originality of verses.He named the reliable reciters by himself whose mushafs are also destructed.There is no copy of quran aprouved and sealed by him!

[Tomar17]

The prophet had to remain illiterate till the end of his life, so no one could claim he copied the Quran, or that he was a poet

peace

[hmfy]

thats a good question, as tomar17 says it needed to be this way so that it is a miracle from God..

This is what God is telling prophet mohammad (and us) in the quran!

[29:48] You did not read the previous scriptures, nor did you write them with your hand. In that case, the rejectors would have had reason to harbor doubts.

[29:49] In fact, these revelations are clear in the chests of those who possess knowledge. Only the wicked will disregard our revelations.

[ZIRRESAFO]

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[ZIRRESAFO]

if muhammad had lived all his life in a jungle,this excuse could be raisonable but he was born and lived 40 years in a place where christians and jews were also exist,knowledge was verbal than written.Plus he travelled abroad.His first wifes cousin Waraqa ibn Nawfal was also a christian monk.

[hmfy]

yes jews and christians did exist but the fact that he cuoldnt read their books means that he didnt copy any of it! if u say that knowledge was verbal then the shear size of the quran makes it impossible to be compiled that way! how could u learn 600 pages and recite them all without writting a single letter down!?

lets not forget there isnt a single proof that he copied or learned any of the quran form the jews and christians! infact ..

[hmfy]

infact we know as muslims that jews used to come up to the prophet and used to put him to the test! they would ask him questions like what happened with a certain prophet, or a certain people in the past? so he would receive revelations and would recite to them! because they know at the back of their minds arabs are not learned about the previous nations and prophets!

[ZIRRESAFO]

Well same story been told about jesus also.Jewish rabbies tested him with prophetic questions. I could remember Abdullah bin Salaam asked those questions to muhammad,answers?it depence on your naivety?By the way I knew the stories of Nooh Aleyhissalam and Ibrahim and ismael before I learned read and write.This does not prove anything.

[hmfy]

hey I'm not talking about the obvious stories not about abraham or his son ishmael all the arabs knew these stories since they are decendants of abraham through ishmael even mohamamd new about his fathers u would think but.. they asked him about the ppl of the cave!? now who could ever have known about them in arabia! they asked him about those yajoj and majoj. they asked him about zulqarnain these were no way known in arabia! they asked him about the story of Josef! etc!

[ZIRRESAFO]

Of course they asked questions about jewish,christian and pagan mithologies which they were known by the people of Arabia at the time. of course they didnt asked any questions about people of india china or others.They asked about mithological peoples like yajoj and majoj.

[ZIRRESAFO]

quran does not containe any hebrew or christian scriptures entirely,it has quotations.The stories also are not identical but variations.I havent come cross to any hadith that tells muhammad recited entire quran at once by himself.They indicate,its done by reciters like Ibn Massoud.Every ramadan they recited entire quran(not by only one person,ibn Massoud could memorise only 70 surah) and muhammad did corrections.After his death reciters were disagree and what is this video all about.

[hmfy]

this video is a response to the claim! if ur claim is true then u might we would end up with a few different "Versions" but the fact that quran is only one! prove that it had always been only one! if u say quotations there isnt a single one where the quote is taken word for word! u might want to give examples for ur claim!?

also in some ocations the bible makes scientific mistakes and these mistakes are somehow not copied in the quran! rather corrected!! i wonder who could tell him all that ?

[hmfy]

one doesnt have to be a genuis to realise the quran is the word of God.. only by reading it u will realise that its not the words of Mohammad or any man for this matter! people are reading it today and realising its the truth from God and accepting islam as a result.. islam doesnt call for anything more than the worship of God alone the one and only god and following the commandments.. i dont see anything wrong with that do u ?

[ZIRRESAFO]

Believe or not I read it more often than you think and I still cant believe people call it word of god. If Islam or any other religion will stay in peoples hearth and their temples than I have no objection.Otherwise..? I dont care how much she loves America but Wafa Sultan s got a point:"If you want to worshippe stones I have no objection as long as youwont trow them at me". Basically I dont want to live mylife according to your religion(or any religion) becouse you think, it is the truth!

[hmfy]

no one is forcing anyone to follow any relgion! :) certainly not the muslims and they shouldnt! because the quran states: "la ikraha fideen" there shall be no compulsion in religion truth stands out from error!

and u must have read the legacy of the prophet and he never forced anyone to convert not even the pagan arabs who kicked him out of mekka when he returned to mekka he didnt need to fight all accepted him and islam without a fight! no one should force anyone to convert if it happens..

[hmfy]

then its meaningless! and wrong islam is totally against it! and if any muslims did it today or in the past thats because they are behaving anti-islamic

[ZIRRESAFO]

Probably you must read about benefits of having non muslims in islamic society how islam spread from central asia to iberia and how religious minorities have persisted in islam?How much free the non muslims are under sharia laws?  At last muhammad didnt need to fight and meccans become muslim you think becouse they saw the truth suddenly and they believe he was the messenger of one true god?I doubted.His uncle Abu Talib even refused at his last breath(he was supposed to be withness to Bahira)

[earfetish]

You should really accept comments in all your videos.