WTF the 911 commission (should be called the 911 ommission) didn't mention the total free fall collapse of a 47 story building? What was Silverstein heading that commission? 1 day when the filth involved in this gutless cowardly atrocity on inncent civilians get executed for their crimes, i hope all the other scum who helped hide evidence and helped the govt lie about their involvement(msm media thats you i'm talking about) are also tried for crimes and locked up. Aslo take their wealth
@TheLoneStarGamer i read sumthin weird yesterday, both planes struck computer rooms that had ben reinforced and filled with batteries that were never turned on...
I am embarrassed to say that I have never see this info before today. I never knew that FLIR footage of the buildings had been taken. Having used FLIR extensively in the military, I am familiar with it's capabilities. After watching this vid, I find myself with a terrible sickening knot in my stomach. I have had my doubts before and kept myself from "going there", now I will not be able to do that.
@Yankeeprepper Yea me too Yankee, and then as with everthing else going on now, it all starts to make since. We have been scammed. I dont know if you have seen any of the videos with Dr Stephen Jones. He has published his thermite findings in mainstream scientific journals.....and none of his data has been challenged to date. Google it...if you want to know more let me know...."the fog of 911 is wearing off"
Its time to move on and stop arguing about whether we were misled....we are wasting time because its obvious we were. This is the way it happens when someone gets away with something for too long they get sloppy, greedy, and go too far. Now we need to focus on why? Who gained, and what did they gain? Did this serve a purpose other than money? If so was there a greater good? Why are we not more upset that TV news was used to deceive us? How many times has it happened? Why dont we deserve truth?
Its time to move on and stop arguing about whether we were misled....we are wasting time because its obvious we were. This is the way it happens when someone gets away with something for too long they get sloppy, greedy, and go too far. Now we need to focus on why? Who gained, and what did they gain? Did this serve a purpose other than money? If so was there a greater good? Why are we not more upset that TV news was used to deceive us? How many times has it happened? Why dont we deserve truth?
I wont believe every debunk story, but I dont need to. The only evidence I need is that 3 buildings fell into their footprint 1 of which was not hit by a plane and maybe none of them were....I dont know. I am sure that it didnt happen the way I was told it did. It couldnt of...so what happened and what is the end game?
All beams holding the structure needed to be equally weak other wise you would have the building begin to fall at an angle. That would be impossible to correct at any point in its fall unless it was weaker some where else. You better have a damn good explanation for that and youll need it X3...since every building fell the same way.... it doesnt happen because it cant and that leaves little left to argue about. It cant happen the way we were sold...therefore it didnt happen that way
Comparing pictures taken with FLIR and other pictures that are different doesnt rule the FLIR ones useless in a scientific discussion. It doesnt matter the difference in timing as long as there was still fire because FLIR photos do their job of proving that temps were not hot enough at some point during fires. In order for buildings to fall in on themselves the heat inside better damn well be uniform throughout the whole area and sustained. Path of least resistance is all you need to understand
the paint test okay now what part of the building was that found, the centre or the outside, the coolest part or the hottest part, no evidence to prove either way
2:49 regardless of how hot the building is, the building which will collapse is the one that is designed to collapse in a controlled manor to avoid area damage. the fires can burn away the building but once the structure is unable to resist the mass above the weakening then it will collapse.
that thermal camera is calibrated correctly? 92 c for an inferno, no.. the camera is wrong... results are not scientifically correct.
2ndly, comparing 2 different images with 2 totally diff readings and using that as scientifically sound evidence vs the comments from nist regarding jet FUEL has no direct correlation with the actual spread or intensity of the fires within the building. once the fire spreads the floors weaken, this fire would not have been under control.
I am a WITNESS.I will step forward for your commission.The yellow box cutting
knives were stolen from 579 Massachusetts ave,Cambridge,Massachusetts.
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I am a WITNESS.I will step forward for your commission.The yellow box cutting
knives were stolen from 579 Massachusetts ave,Cambridge,Massachusetts.
Stolen during a 3 month period,OCT,NOV,DEC,year 2000.If anyone has a FAX#I can give you the details.Murder Upon A Nation is a big deal.One thing I do know about the people you are seeking is that they are a danger to themselves and our Nation.I know their physical and mental attitude towards our Countries citizens and Nation. vinc.1169.marino
Wow the trolls that believe the 911 Report are really active here, what are they afraid of this many years after the event....? The truth coming out?
Every intelligent sane person knows the facts do not add up, not just for the first two towers, but especially for building 7. You shills are pathetic.
Bet you believe JFK was killed with a magic bullet too!
Too many Americans are waking up and saying NO...give it a rest. 9/11 was an inside job, no doubts by anyone I know.
@alkashroom Okay you caught me, I know a couple of people that have NOT viewed the evidence, similar to this video that show scientifically that the official story can not possibly be true.
However if those people look at the facts of what happened on 911 they can not possibly agree with the "official" report.
The lies told around 911 do a disservice to the men and women who serve in the military and defame the memory of those, in our own families, who have served and died,
@itsayellowfig actually, he stated that a "law" of the conservation of energy is that "energy can't be used twice," ...Oh, and gravity does not have energy? Can you ellaborate? I'm curious, then, as to what it is that holds us to the ground? Electrical inductance? Magnetic field? Your ego? just wonderin' what your angle is
@666flatliner Assuming that this guy's "clearly not a scientist" is just that, an assumption. Calling someone else a moron for words you put in thier mouths only makes you sound like a pompous ass-hole! You want to constructively critisize, or correct others, cool. But just because he's not as good a scientist as say, you, doesn't mean you should resort to name calling, that's just immature. If you really want to set the bar, be the example. Until then, pricks like me will never let up on you!
We've already widely established that people on the inside committed 9/11
NOW we have to worry about their next line of defense: Scapegoating. At the moment, they're having news outlets around the world blame the American public for 9/11. They admit it was an inside job but "the Americans did it". This is an opportunity to expose their methods of setting nation against nation
@Headshothorror4488 No they don't. There are 29 structural engineers in 9/11 Truth out of 130,000 just here in the US. That's .02%, or 2 out of 10,000. And if you read their statements, they are not even familiar with the design of the building, There are more Obama Birther's than 9/11 Truthers, and many are "experts". Some "experts" are either idiots, or they have political agendas. The Towers fell EXACTLY as they should have under those circumstances.
Hi man it's interesting. I watched and listened to the whole but it really is easy don't you think? I didn't calculate it myself but trusting that you got free-fall (no air resistance taken into account..) time right I think that alone makes the pancake theory impossible... if you only took 1/10 of a second PER FLOOR for the impact to happen then you'd have a significantly longer (double!!!) fall time.
@Chaanee If you look at the complete collapses of the Towers, they were about 40% less than free fall. Makes perfect sense since there were no columns in Interior Space (part the collapsed first). Remember part of the Core remained standing for about 15-20 seconds after collapsed. On here just look for "not free fall" videos or "core still standing" videos.
@Chaanee If you look at the video that hides the lower part of the collapse and starts the clock late, yes. If you look at the complete collapse, no. Plus you can clearly see free falling debris a good 30-40 stories ahead of the collapse in ANY video. So how can it be close to free fall speed? On here just look for videos that say "Towers not at free fall speed" and they will come up. They are from angles that show the complete collapse. Kind of like Truth hiding all of Bldg 7 fire/damage
@Chaanee I am not "trying" to say that. I "am" saying that. And as a structural engineer with 30 years construction experience in NYC, I am very confident in saying that, yes.
@Chaanee McCormick Place in Chicago fell in 20 minutes from small electrical fire. WIndsor metal portion collapsed in 1 hour. Factory in Tahiland same type of collapse as Towers. Sight and Sound Theater in PA also collapsed from fire. Duh.
Really I just want to see one of the thousands of possible people in the area, who heard the first "flight plane" crash, take out their video camera or phone to record what happens next. There had to have been someone. Still I cannot find any video such as a "home video" shot of the towers being hit with planes. Bull crap.
anyone that wants to hear the truth about what was behind it all from someone that has the authority and knowledge to know what went on and was insider in the white house and military establishment for years,, youtube search Military Officers for 911 Truth - Lt.Col. Robert M Bowman PhD.
@Daddyo930 lol why are you even arguing with that gov shill, anyone that argues against iron clad facts about all things related to 911either is a gov. shill or his momma dropped him on his head a few thousand times. There isnt any doubt that 911 was carried out by the bush admin.The only thing any one with any brains needs to know is they refused to have a real investigation of 911and got rid of the steel as soon as possible despite many investigative agencys objections.
I really don't understand what is so complicated about this presentation. Very well done. This clearly shows the american people that we need another investigation. Let the cards fall where they may. Who is against another complete investigation? What is so un-american about wanting another investigation?
All I have to say is that I will never give up, never tire of saying what I know to be the truth. 911 was an inside job. If this were China, where everything is made, I might not have the chance to express how I feel. If we don't stop the illuminati, the knights of malta and other organizations bent on world domination, this will happen again and again. I have chosen the light.
Another lame 9/11 video that will make all unbelievers look like quacks.
"Random fires and random damage from plane impacts can only cause random failure"
That's some pretty flawed logic there. Random is random and you cannot predict something that is truly random. Therefore, random fires will damage randomly which can include structural fires.
Just the fact that they completely ignored WTC7 i think is proof they are hiding facts. And what could possibly cause them to want to hide facts? I dont pretend to know what happened, but i do know that what that 911 commission report claims, and what the government is currently claiming, is not what happened. Or at least, nowhere near the full story
"You have to multiply the probabilities together" only if the events are independent of each other: on 9/11, there was a plan encompassing two planes, both towers, and the failing buildings were constructed similarly and subjected to similar stresses. So in this case, the combined event is not much more unlikely than a single event would be, because the parts are NOT independent of each other, so you cannot multiply the probabilities.
Two observations: The FLIR show the temperature of the objects closest to the camera, and would show the temperature of the SMOKE in the second picture, NOT the temperature of the fire. Compare with the picture given on the left: all you see on the normal photograph is smoke, and that's what the FLIR sees as well.
@hunteyman well.. i think you SHOULD care about it.. indeed thousands of people died because of ONE president wants it all.. i think we all should listen and care of what those scientist do have to say and open our fucking eyes of what really happend..
Fuck the war on terror, there was none.. just one man who want to rule the world and that was bush.. gladly it didnt work!
@hunteyman I care. Because I care when MY government MURDERS thousands of people so their buddies in the arms industry can make HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of DOLLARS. Do you really not care about that?
To be fair, the Windsor Tower suffered a PARTIAL and UNEVEN collapse, unlike the WTC Towers which collapsed all the way to the ground, and unlike WTC7 which collapsed nearly intact except for the penthouses.
@Skeptic121 Windsor was a concrete superstructure not a tube in tube steel frame like WTC Towers. Difference is like night and day. But small portion of Windsor was steel frame only. It collapsed...in 1 hour. WTC had MASSIVE damage and fires. There is tons of video evidence of this. Please do your homework
@atamalakolive You tell me "please do your homework" so please read what I wrote. The anomalies of the three WTC collapses are the manner, not the collapses themselves. If the three WTC buildings had collapsed as the steel frame part of Windsor did, no debate. WTC7 was 100 meters wide; it suffered chaotic and uneven fires yet collapsed together (within 0.5 sec, at free fall for 2.25 sec (as NIST acknowledges). The WTC towers had MASSIVE cores that you fail to acknowledge with "tube in tube".
@Skeptic121 WTC Cores remained standing for 15-20 seconds after collapse, though they were very damaged. There are videos of this on you tube. They were NOT part of the initial collapse, and if they were I would indeed agree with you. WTC 7 had considerable damage and massive fires. This is all on video and audio tape. It also started moving and creaking. Then they pulled the NYFD out of the building because they knew it was coming down. Only small portion was free fall, the atrium area.
@atamalakolive Yes. The cores remained standing after the collapse. Question: Why did they fall? They survived the initial collapse; they were MASSIVE structures, very strong, especially the lower third. WHY did they collapse all the way to the ground, nearly straight down, not tipping over? You gloss over the free fall of WTC7. NIST acknowledges 25 meters of free fall, equal to the massive trusses over the electrical substation. Free fall means these were suddenly GONE, not weakened; GONE.
@Skeptic121 Core falling addressed in separate post. As to WTC 7,. yes, Atrium area was pretty much free fall. What is the difference between a column failing and a column being demo'd? In demo the column sdoes not "disappear", it is weakened. Collapse does not start immediately in controlled demo, there is a lapse. What about the fact that building was moving, creaking, has massive damage and fires. Lots of video and photos of this. You don't know this?
@atamalakolive Sorry, I don't understand your post. I think you are being VERY disingenuous, pretending to an intellectual level much below what you really possess. That kind of person is simply impossible to debate in a civil, productive manner. If I am wrong, please write better; otherwise....forget it.
@Skeptic121 Tell you what. I have no idea how to send a message on here, but i have had people send them to me and have had exchanges. It is much better because you can post links, etc. I'd be glad to engage friendly debate. The reason you might not understand what I am saying is because space is limited so I try to condense things. I am a structural engineer with 30 yrs experience in NYC construction and open to friendly debate. So if you know how to send a message, please do. Thanks.
@atamalakolive Why are you so-called skeptics always so stupid? 47 core columns do not constitute a tube, no matter how "skeptical" you think you are.
@LordBalto Yes they do, look it up. Towers were tube in tube construction. Inner tube comprised of Core Columns, Outer is Perimeter Columns. Between are NO columns in Interior Space. Think a long rectangular tube slid into a much larger one. Then trusses tie them together. Trusses failed, pulling perimeter in and ripping connections from core. I am a structural engineer, 30 years experience in NYC construction. This is my field. If you want to call me stupid, do your homework first.
@atamalakolive SORRY, but "tube in tube" is disingenuous. That is, pretending to lack knowledge you in fact possess. The inner core columns were massive compared to the perimeter columns, especially in the lower third. Thus, the question, WHY did the inner cores collapse all the way to the ground? One of the cores appeared to survive the initial collapse, then fell straight down, not tipping. Why?
@Skeptic121 Because they were ripped at the connections, and the debris pile was expanding, plus the area above the impact point was smashing them on the way down. They were not completely intact, but there was a skeleton. Truth says they were blown up to facilitate collapse, but the opposite happened. And don't forget, the Towers were 95% air. Again, once one floor was weakened, collapse was inevitable. This is engineering FACT. And tube in tube is what engineers like myself call it.
@atamalakolive Your supposition only works if you remove all 47 core columns. Stop lying, you demean yourself. They never tested for explosives. You are a fraud. Go back to playing world of warcraft.
@Daddyo930 The core remained standing for about 30 seconds after the collapse. And even after that part collapsed, there as a portion remaining. And there were no explosions just prior to collapse, so why would you test for explosives? The biggest explosion was the planes blowing up.
@atamalakolive Why are you wasting time trying to explain engineering construction when you don't know anything about it? Did you even bother to read the 911 commission report? How much do they pay you for being a disinformation agent? Is there anything that the government says that you don't believe? Most of my family served in the military, therefore, I have the right, just like you, to ask questions. Why don't you serve? They need people like you. JOIN NOW!
@Daddyo930 I am a structural engineer with 30 years experience in NYC construction. Why don't you address my points if you think I don't know what I am talking about. Stay on point, this has nothing to do with either of us serving. I am stating valid and basic engineering points. Debate them if you disagree, I am open to intelligent debate.
@Daddyo930 That the core remained standing. The Towers fell due to fireproofing blowing off beams from exploding planes, and the weakened area not supporting the area above (only designed to carry 3 or 4 floors above, not several). Due to no Interior Columns, Towers collapsed down from top to bottom (the opposite of a controlled demo). The core below the impact area was not part of that collapse, it fell later. Your theory says the core was blown up first, which makes no sense, it fell last.
@atamalakolive Now your just doing mental hungry hungry hippo's. Do you even know what your saying? Go back and watch the world trade center documentary. It goes into great detail regarding how the building was constructed. What you just said makes no sense at all. It's like your just making stuff up as you go along.
@atamalakolive So lets start from the beginning. 1. please acknowledge that there were 47 core columns. Unless you know something about the world trade center construction that everyone else does not. 2. Please tell us the melting point of steel.
@Daddyo930 Yes, I have already referenced core and perimeter columns in my post. My point was there were no columns in the interior space (between core and perimeter) from grade to roof. None. And that was the part that initially collapsed. In fact the South Tower started to collapse on a tilt, but the core below the impact point kept the Tower from toppling, as designed. Melting point not significant. Steel loses 50% strength at 500 C and 90% at 100 C. Steel is worse than timbers in fire
@Daddyo930 This could take a lot of space. if you wish, send me a private message on here (I am not sure how to do it) and we can have a more lengthy exchange and post links, etc. Some other people have sent me private messages on here and we had exchanges, I am just not sure how to initiate it. Up to you if you want to go that route. I only saw how to post a comment to someone's profile, not a private message.
@atamalakolive No need for that. Just tell me whether or not you believe that the world trade center buildings 1 and 2 had 47 core columns. Thats a yes or no question. Then tell me the melting point of steel. I'll do it for you 2750 degrees. There done. For someone who's an engineer, you should know how to use Youtube at least. I doubt your intelligence. Just answer the question or stop ghostin me son.
@Daddyo930 Lose the attitude and try for intelligent conversation. 47 core columns and 59 perimeter columns per building. As to melting point of steel, for Carbon Steel about 2050 F, for pure steel melting will commence at 2720 F with complete liquid at 2800 F. Oxidized steel (with rust) is actually already "burning", and in many cases when heated enough can ignite and sustain fires. Sulfur can also accelerate that. So we have established some already known facts. Your point is???
@atamalakolive How can a structure fall through the path of most resistance? Did you listen to the radio transmissions from the firefighters? Isolated pockets of fire. The fires were not hot enough to weaken the steel. The fires in the buildings never reached those temperatures you just mentioned. So please explain how the top of the building can generate enough force to crush the entire larger structure below, defying the laws of physics. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.
@Daddyo930 How was that the path of most resistance? The entire building did not collapse at once, it went down from top to bottom. Essentially one floor at a time. Each floor was only designed for 3-4 floors above. The additional weight was too much. This is very basic physics and engineering. One firefighter from a stairwell 3 floors down from impact said "pockets of fire". There are numerous photos of a raging inferno in there. People jumped to their deaths it was so hot.
@Daddyo930 Fires were estimated at 700 C. Steel loses 50% strength at 500 C, and 90% at 1000 C. Steel does not have to even come close to melting to buckle. Steel is very weak in fire. Why do you think they fireproof it? For aesthetics? Even in timber framing, the part that usually requires fireproofing is the metal connections.
@Daddyo930 The Towers were 95% "Air". They were lightweight construction.The tube in tube design allowed them to use 40% less structural steel than a conventional design. You make it sound like the entire building collapsed at once. it started at the top, and went sequentially downward. You had a similar force being exerted as it went down. It was too much for the areas it was impacting. As I said, each floor was designed to carry only 3-4 floors above it. Again, very basic physics.
@atamalakolive Hmm. Unless I'm mistaken, I saw the buildings fall through the path of the most resistance. If the building were going to fall, it makes sense that they would have broken at the weakest point and fallen to either side, not straight down through the path of the most resistance. A very simple example of this is if you cut a tree like your going to chop it down, it falls either to the left or right, now down through the path of the most resistance. Go back and play medal of honor
@Daddyo930 You're funny. A tree is solid. Yes, if the Towers were a block of steel and collapsed downward, I would be suspicious. But they were 95% AIR. Tell me what the resistance of AIR is? Plus they were designed NOT to topple (Core). Again, the entire Interior Space (the part that collapsed first) had NO VERTICAL COLUMNS, which means there was NO RESISTANCE except Perimeter Columns (which buckled) and the truss/core connections (bolts and welds). Least resistance was down. GRAVITY!!
@atamalakolive In April of 2009 a peer-reviewed paper published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal reported the finding of unignited nano-engineered thermitic materials in multiple samples of World Trade Center dust. The discovery of these materials, is important. Do you not believe in peer review? I think that science is important and relevent in this instance. Please explain how the scientist are wrong in this case?
@Daddyo930 Building fires with Aluminum always have thermite reactions. This is very basic. Bentham has published bogus papers before, and in this case the Editor resigned because the paper was a joke. It was NOT peer reviewed at all. It is a joke. The found basic building materials like sulfur and concluded "nanothermite", even though sulfur is in sheetrock. Also even Herrit has now said that explosives must also have been used as thermite is very unreliable. But no explosions? Funny.
@atamalakolive How was this a joke? Point out to me another peer reviewed scientific paper that refutes the claims of nano thermite being found in the wtc dust. Even if the whole board resigned, that would not take away the truth of science and chemistry. You didn't even bother to read the article because you can't even point out an instance where their measurements or chromatograph readings were inconsistant. Can you or did you even bother to read it because you know the truth already?
@Daddyo930 It was NOT peer reviewed. Do your homework, you take gullible to a new level. And I have looked at the paper. The "spheres" the found that "prove" nanothermite are also found in cutting and welding. Duh. They have NO idea how this was done logistically, or exactly what the substance is. But they "know" something must be wrong. These people are attention grabbers milking a cash cow. Make sure you buy their books.
@atamalakolive They are not selling books. They are reviewing analysis of dust samples collected at the world trade center. What they found and has been confirmed by peer review which means that other scientist got a sample, ran it through a gas chromatograph and then compared data. Every scientist that participated in the study is indicated. That is called the scientific method. What are you talking about. Did you see the names on the website? Tell me some of the names then.
@Daddyo930 This is a complex subject that is impossible to debate in restricted space where you can't post links. I sent you very lengthy private message instead. I read the whole report, and I have read what I sent. To be objective you should also do both. Thanks.
@atamalakolive Lets just agree that you don't know science because you did not read the report. Otherwise you would be able to point out discrepancies in the readings from chromatography results or any of the other methods used to determine the chemical make up of the dust that was tested. Don't bother me with your nonsense unless you want to talk about the NIST data points. Oh wait, NIST won't release their data. When they do, we will have something to discuss.
@Daddyo930 There are no discrepancies in the report. They found thermite, which is common in building fires with Aluminum. Duh. And the spheres the found are common in building and welding. Wonder if any of that was done erecting WTC? Duh. And they take samples SIX YEARS OLD not kept in a controlled environment? That is science? Really? So, SIX YEARS LATER they want to know why some "magic dust" was not tested for? For real? Are you that gullible?
@atamalakolive What you forgot to mention was that they found a very specific chemical that is only found in nano thermite. You did not read the report. Stop bothering me with your nonsense. You obviously have no respect for science unless it agrees with your assumptions. You have no respect for the scientific method and do not understand what a chain of custody is. That's why I know you did not read the report. Stop bothering me mr. disinformation agent.
@Daddyo930 Chain of Custody? Samples collected SIX YEARS later that were not stored in Controlled Environments? What they found was Kalonite that was present and is embedded in a Carbon based matrix with Rhomboidal Fe2O3 from the red paint. They have refused to turn over samples and their research to an independent lab. They claim there were 10 TONS of nanothermite, and that it was sprayed under all the decks. They are completely out of their effing minds. If you buy it, so are you.
@atamalakolive So lets just end this with a question. How you answer the question will determine whether or not you are a freedom loving american or something else that is not a freedom loving american. Should NIST release the data generated in the engineering report or not? It's a very simple yes or no question. I am not interested in anything besides that and all further discussion will be directed towards this question should you choose to ignore it.
@Daddyo930 10,000 pages of data were released by NIST, much of it very detailed analysis on virtually every beam and column in WTC1, 2 & 7. It's even available on line. Yet for the "nanothermite" report they refuse to submit their samples for independent testing, and have NEVER done a report on ANY of the collapses. So you once again take the opposite point of view of reality.
@atamalakolive 10,000 pages of data were released by NIST, much of it very detailed analysis on virtually every beam and column in WTC1, 2 & 7. It's even available on line.
I want the data points used and the data from the collapse simulation. Where is that?
@57worldwide The Steel was available until April of 2002. It was comprehensively tested. And fire causes structural damage. As does thermal expansion in fire. Why do you think they fireproof steel? It is terrible in fire, timbers are much better. In timber frame construction, the part that needs fireproofing is the steel connections. This is very basic stuff. There is lots of video footage of the extensive infernos, as well as footage of the extensive damage to the building.
@atamalakolive Come on, don't be an idiot. If fire weakens steel, why did the Twin Towers collapse into themselves after such a short amount of time?
There is video footage of the fires. There is no evidence of fire causing a steel framed building to collapse anywhere else. If there was another occurrence of a steel framed building collapsing from fire damage, it would not be as difficult to believe that Tower 7 wasn't demolished. You have seen the videos yourself. Don't be silly.
@57worldwide The fireproofing was blown off from the exploding planes at that level. They were 1 hour rated buildings. Steel framed part of Windsor collapsed in 1 hour. McCormick Place collapsed in 20 minutes from small electrical fire. To say a steel framed building never collapsed from fire denies documented history. This is BASIC stuff. I've seen videos of the fires in 7, including extensive footage of firefighters concerned that building would collapse. LOTS of footage. Basic stuff.
@atamalakolive How could both towers collapse into themselves? A one hour rating does not mean the whole structure will collapse after 90 minutes. It only means the structural integrity will be compromised. What can cause a Superstructure to collapse into itself? To phrase the question in a more precise manner: what will cause an equal amount of structural damage to happen in an almost uniform manner, resulting in a building falling into it's own footprint?
@57worldwide The buildings were 95% "Air". Plus they were completely symmetrical "tube in tube" construction. There were no columns in the interior space (between core and perimeter) from grade to roof. None. There was no resistance except perimeter columns (which were clearly buckling) and truss/core connections (bolts/welds). Each floor was only designed to carry 3-4 floors above. Once one area is compromised (1 hour), the symmetry of the building makes for a symmetrical collapse.
@atamalakolive So what cause an even amount of weakening to the structure? Are you seriously telling me that you believe this fire spread uniformly throughout the whole structure? Are you serious?
Are you a fire engineer?
Also, the Windsor parking garage collapse was attributed, I believe, to the fact that it was repaved with ashphalt and not concrete. Perhaps I'm wrong and that was a fire? It wasn't a superstructure though, perhaps I should have asked for other superstructures collapsing.
@57worldwide Throughout the impacted areas, yes. There is video of this. I am a structural engineer, and I know steel loses 50% strength at 500 C and 90% at 1000 C. Building fires are usually 700-800 C. Windsor was a skyscraper. And as to concrete, Towers had no structural concrete above grade. Only concrete was 4" floor slabs, non-structural, no re-bar, pebble aggregate. I have personally chipped it with a small Bosch 11305 chipping gun. Chips easy and makes lots of dust.
@atamalakolive I have learnt that the Windsor in Madrid only partially collapsed. If you have any sources which can show me that the steel supports collapsed into themselves, please do so. You must also know of the building in Beijing which did not collapse.
I mean a collapse into it's own footprint. As far as I'm aware, this has been limited to a few buildings in history. What impacted areas were there in Tower 7? How could the entire building be weakened by the fire uniformly?
@57worldwide Exactly, the part that collapsed was steel frame only, and it collapsed in 1 hour. The rest was concrete superstructure, so steel columns were encased in structural concrete. No way fire takes that down. Factory in Thailand had similar collapse to Towers. McCormick Place collapsed in 20 minutes from fire. So did Sight and Sound Theater in PA collapse. All Steel frame only. Plus Towers were hit by planes, and they were symmetrical tube construction.
@57worldwide I tried to, but all I see on your profile is a place to post comments. And when I do, I always exceed the number of characters. Tell you what, send me a private message if possible and I will reply. If not possible, let me know and I will post comments on your profile if you don't mind. I appreciate the civil debate. FYI I hate the Bush Admin and wanted to believe the Truth stuff. But my research found they lie more than Cheney... But thanks for being civil, many are not.
@57worldwide And before you call me an idiot, I am a structural engineer with 30 years construction experience in NYC. If you want to engage debate on engineering, fine. But I'm no idiot. It sounds to me like you have not seen a lot of the footage on Bldg 7, including video of fires and damage, firefighters saying building was "leaning and creaking", etc. Plus some fires were concentrated just above open Atrium area, a very critical area. Steel is VERY vulnerable to fire.
@atamalakolive They are not selling books. They are reviewing analysis of dust samples collected at the world trade center. What they found and has been confirmed by peer review which means that other scientist got a sample, ran it through a gas chromatograph and then compared data. Every scientist that participated in the study is indicated. That is called the scientific method. What are you talking about? Did you see the names on the website? Tell me some of the names then.
@Skeptic121 Windsor was a concrete superstructure, TOTALLY different than Towers. It could burn for weeks without collapsing. Plus it was not hit by a plane. But a small portion of Windsor was steel framed only. It collapsed in 1 hour.
The CIA blew up the Twin Towers, It was a False flag attack. Reference Stanton Friedman, He's the guy who's responsible for most/all of the economic/social problems in the world. Donald Rumsfeld too another evil moron
@feeks84 How about referencing reality instead. The Towers were not blown up, unless you are referring to the exploding planes, which were not piloted by the CIA.
@feeks84 how the HELL is stanton friedman involved in this in any way????????? how is he responsible for problems in our system?!?! do you even know who he is??
@feeks84 ok, so how is he responsible for all the problems??? have you even listened to him speak? he has pridicted everyhting that happened with incredible accuracy. also, since you mentioned stanton friedman, im guessing your into ufos.... whats ur opinion on roswell??
impressive. so many idiotic truther lines of bullshit, wild assumptions stated as facts, mile-long leaps of logic, and tired old debunked talking points jam packed into just 10 short minutes. very good editing, but so painfully fucking stupid.
ppl get away with this stuff because they know theres not very meny smart ppl in the world to prove that they lied about this and that they did it. and im prety shur that president bush did this because hes a drunken red neck ass hole ho chokes on pretsals and falls on his fat ass face XD.nohe did this because hes stupid. and i feel sorry for they ppl that died in 9/11 :(
The people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job are part of a conspiracy. I guess we're all supposed to believe that the images of the jets slamming into the towers were just digital fakes and that the people on the ground were hypnotized by Will Smith and the other Men in Black into remembering seeing the jets hit the WTC.
@CryptoDriver The truth is often easier to swallow than lies that go down like fine wine. Accept the fact that evil does exist in the world and that it multiplies when good men do nothing.
"The high office of the president has been used to foment a plot to destroy America's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizens of this plight." President John F. Kennedy, November 12, 1963.
@carrieannesaid The "magic bullet" theory proposed by Arlyn Specter seemed to go down smoothly. He stayed in the senate for 30+ years. The greatest generation sold us out to the corporations.
@carrieannesaid What the hell does JFK have to do with 9/11. Now everything is a conspiracy? FLIR measure SURFACE temperature. This whole post has no merit. If you have 30 ovens and only one is turned on, FLIR will tell you which one it is by detecting heat. But the temperature displayed will be the temperature outside of the oven, not inside. 9/11 Truth once again telling more lies than Dick Cheney, quite an accomplishment.
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WTF the 911 commission (should be called the 911 ommission) didn't mention the total free fall collapse of a 47 story building? What was Silverstein heading that commission? 1 day when the filth involved in this gutless cowardly atrocity on inncent civilians get executed for their crimes, i hope all the other scum who helped hide evidence and helped the govt lie about their involvement(msm media thats you i'm talking about) are also tried for crimes and locked up. Aslo take their wealth
SouthernCross33 1 month ago
why *wont* obama have a new inquiry?
dave17093 4 months ago
@dave17093
Google - "GEORGE BUSH 44 AKA PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA"
galeriephoque 3 months ago
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galeriephoque 3 months ago
Obviously it was an inside job...now what?
stludachris 4 months ago
I just thought of a theory...couldn't the plane have been filled with thermite? We all know it wasn't a passenger plane so it could be quite possible
TheLoneStarGamer 4 months ago
@TheLoneStarGamer i have wondered if they planted plane parts in the floors where it was hit small parts pilled up would be ejected when hit
way2easy2love 4 months ago
@way2easy2love they could have
TheLoneStarGamer 4 months ago
@TheLoneStarGamer i read sumthin weird yesterday, both planes struck computer rooms that had ben reinforced and filled with batteries that were never turned on...
way2easy2love 4 months ago
@way2easy2love wow...
TheLoneStarGamer 4 months ago
@way2easy2love Probably the sensor gizmo they used to home the planes in on remotely
SouthernCross33 1 month ago
I am embarrassed to say that I have never see this info before today. I never knew that FLIR footage of the buildings had been taken. Having used FLIR extensively in the military, I am familiar with it's capabilities. After watching this vid, I find myself with a terrible sickening knot in my stomach. I have had my doubts before and kept myself from "going there", now I will not be able to do that.
Yankeeprepper 4 months ago
@Yankeeprepper Yea me too Yankee, and then as with everthing else going on now, it all starts to make since. We have been scammed. I dont know if you have seen any of the videos with Dr Stephen Jones. He has published his thermite findings in mainstream scientific journals.....and none of his data has been challenged to date. Google it...if you want to know more let me know...."the fog of 911 is wearing off"
joecoool100 4 months ago
I think ZeerosFate was being sarcastic? Well hopefully he/she was lol.
smnaotrt 5 months ago
This video fails on the simple premise that the government would never lie to us because they have no reason to, and they care about us.
ZeerosFate 5 months ago
@ZeerosFate never lie to us? wake up
TheMuffGoblin 5 months ago
@ZeerosFate LOL, you serious?
redfox2020 5 months ago
@ZeerosFate hahahahahahahahaahah
ProjectSalvo 4 months ago
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Its time to move on and stop arguing about whether we were misled....we are wasting time because its obvious we were. This is the way it happens when someone gets away with something for too long they get sloppy, greedy, and go too far. Now we need to focus on why? Who gained, and what did they gain? Did this serve a purpose other than money? If so was there a greater good? Why are we not more upset that TV news was used to deceive us? How many times has it happened? Why dont we deserve truth?
BearDownBean 5 months ago
Its time to move on and stop arguing about whether we were misled....we are wasting time because its obvious we were. This is the way it happens when someone gets away with something for too long they get sloppy, greedy, and go too far. Now we need to focus on why? Who gained, and what did they gain? Did this serve a purpose other than money? If so was there a greater good? Why are we not more upset that TV news was used to deceive us? How many times has it happened? Why dont we deserve truth?
BearDownBean 5 months ago
I wont believe every debunk story, but I dont need to. The only evidence I need is that 3 buildings fell into their footprint 1 of which was not hit by a plane and maybe none of them were....I dont know. I am sure that it didnt happen the way I was told it did. It couldnt of...so what happened and what is the end game?
BearDownBean 5 months ago
All beams holding the structure needed to be equally weak other wise you would have the building begin to fall at an angle. That would be impossible to correct at any point in its fall unless it was weaker some where else. You better have a damn good explanation for that and youll need it X3...since every building fell the same way.... it doesnt happen because it cant and that leaves little left to argue about. It cant happen the way we were sold...therefore it didnt happen that way
BearDownBean 5 months ago
Comparing pictures taken with FLIR and other pictures that are different doesnt rule the FLIR ones useless in a scientific discussion. It doesnt matter the difference in timing as long as there was still fire because FLIR photos do their job of proving that temps were not hot enough at some point during fires. In order for buildings to fall in on themselves the heat inside better damn well be uniform throughout the whole area and sustained. Path of least resistance is all you need to understand
BearDownBean 5 months ago
the paint test okay now what part of the building was that found, the centre or the outside, the coolest part or the hottest part, no evidence to prove either way
2:49 regardless of how hot the building is, the building which will collapse is the one that is designed to collapse in a controlled manor to avoid area damage. the fires can burn away the building but once the structure is unable to resist the mass above the weakening then it will collapse.
Guerilla333 5 months ago
okay the first 1:21..
that thermal camera is calibrated correctly? 92 c for an inferno, no.. the camera is wrong... results are not scientifically correct.
2ndly, comparing 2 different images with 2 totally diff readings and using that as scientifically sound evidence vs the comments from nist regarding jet FUEL has no direct correlation with the actual spread or intensity of the fires within the building. once the fire spreads the floors weaken, this fire would not have been under control.
Guerilla333 5 months ago
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deepspecies 6 months ago
I forgive bush...
But how can you do something like this?
Peace
EchtRelaxed 6 months ago
I am a WITNESS.I will step forward for your commission.The yellow box cutting
knives were stolen from 579 Massachusetts ave,Cambridge,Massachusetts.
Stolen during a 3 month period,OCT,NOV,DEC,year 2000.If anyone has a FAX#I can give you the details.Murder Upon A Nation is a big deal.One thing I do know about the people you are seeking is that they are a danger to themselves and our Nation.I know their physical and mental attitude towards our Countries citizens and Nation. vinc.1169.marino@g
VincentCC14 6 months ago
I am a WITNESS.I will step forward for your commission.The yellow box cutting
knives were stolen from 579 Massachusetts ave,Cambridge,Massachusetts.
Stolen during a 3 month period,OCT,NOV,DEC,year 2000.If anyone has a FAX#I can give you the details.Murder Upon A Nation is a big deal.One thing I do know about the people you are seeking is that they are a danger to themselves and our Nation.I know their physical and mental attitude towards our Countries citizens and Nation. vinc.1169.marino
VincentCC14 6 months ago
they are so bad at making up a story , amateurs
56yajur89 6 months ago in playlist 911 was a bank robbery
Wow the trolls that believe the 911 Report are really active here, what are they afraid of this many years after the event....? The truth coming out?
Every intelligent sane person knows the facts do not add up, not just for the first two towers, but especially for building 7. You shills are pathetic.
Bet you believe JFK was killed with a magic bullet too!
Too many Americans are waking up and saying NO...give it a rest. 9/11 was an inside job, no doubts by anyone I know.
cbemerine 7 months ago
@cbemerine no doubts by anyone you know? bush won other election in 2004, i see something from you that i think is...... your LIE..
alkashroom 6 months ago
@alkashroom Okay you caught me, I know a couple of people that have NOT viewed the evidence, similar to this video that show scientifically that the official story can not possibly be true.
However if those people look at the facts of what happened on 911 they can not possibly agree with the "official" report.
The lies told around 911 do a disservice to the men and women who serve in the military and defame the memory of those, in our own families, who have served and died,
cbemerine 6 months ago
Nice to watch an informed, yet passionate video for a change.
aesop2020 8 months ago
Bombs, bombs, bombs
pkrska 8 months ago
@itsayellowfig actually, he stated that a "law" of the conservation of energy is that "energy can't be used twice," ...Oh, and gravity does not have energy? Can you ellaborate? I'm curious, then, as to what it is that holds us to the ground? Electrical inductance? Magnetic field? Your ego? just wonderin' what your angle is
666flatliner 8 months ago
@666flatliner Assuming that this guy's "clearly not a scientist" is just that, an assumption. Calling someone else a moron for words you put in thier mouths only makes you sound like a pompous ass-hole! You want to constructively critisize, or correct others, cool. But just because he's not as good a scientist as say, you, doesn't mean you should resort to name calling, that's just immature. If you really want to set the bar, be the example. Until then, pricks like me will never let up on you!
666flatliner 8 months ago
We've already widely established that people on the inside committed 9/11
NOW we have to worry about their next line of defense: Scapegoating. At the moment, they're having news outlets around the world blame the American public for 9/11. They admit it was an inside job but "the Americans did it". This is an opportunity to expose their methods of setting nation against nation
Zareste 9 months ago
@atimalacolive , You a engineer ? Your uneducated kid. Experts disagree with u
Headshothorror4488 9 months ago
@Headshothorror4488 No they don't. There are 29 structural engineers in 9/11 Truth out of 130,000 just here in the US. That's .02%, or 2 out of 10,000. And if you read their statements, they are not even familiar with the design of the building, There are more Obama Birther's than 9/11 Truthers, and many are "experts". Some "experts" are either idiots, or they have political agendas. The Towers fell EXACTLY as they should have under those circumstances.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
Hi man it's interesting. I watched and listened to the whole but it really is easy don't you think? I didn't calculate it myself but trusting that you got free-fall (no air resistance taken into account..) time right I think that alone makes the pancake theory impossible... if you only took 1/10 of a second PER FLOOR for the impact to happen then you'd have a significantly longer (double!!!) fall time.
Chaanee 9 months ago
@Chaanee If you look at the complete collapses of the Towers, they were about 40% less than free fall. Makes perfect sense since there were no columns in Interior Space (part the collapsed first). Remember part of the Core remained standing for about 15-20 seconds after collapsed. On here just look for "not free fall" videos or "core still standing" videos.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive You're saying that the video is lying. It calculates to 10% slower than free fall.
Chaanee 9 months ago
@Chaanee If you look at the video that hides the lower part of the collapse and starts the clock late, yes. If you look at the complete collapse, no. Plus you can clearly see free falling debris a good 30-40 stories ahead of the collapse in ANY video. So how can it be close to free fall speed? On here just look for videos that say "Towers not at free fall speed" and they will come up. They are from angles that show the complete collapse. Kind of like Truth hiding all of Bldg 7 fire/damage
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive I see that you're trying to say that 3 buildings fell over from fire.
Chaanee 9 months ago
@Chaanee I am not "trying" to say that. I "am" saying that. And as a structural engineer with 30 years construction experience in NYC, I am very confident in saying that, yes.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive Really? When did other steel buildings crumble from a fire?
Chaanee 9 months ago
@Chaanee McCormick Place in Chicago fell in 20 minutes from small electrical fire. WIndsor metal portion collapsed in 1 hour. Factory in Tahiland same type of collapse as Towers. Sight and Sound Theater in PA also collapsed from fire. Duh.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
weak
n8tivguitar 9 months ago
Really I just want to see one of the thousands of possible people in the area, who heard the first "flight plane" crash, take out their video camera or phone to record what happens next. There had to have been someone. Still I cannot find any video such as a "home video" shot of the towers being hit with planes. Bull crap.
heathlive 10 months ago
Almost to much to handle
americansanscullotes 10 months ago
anyone that wants to hear the truth about what was behind it all from someone that has the authority and knowledge to know what went on and was insider in the white house and military establishment for years,, youtube search Military Officers for 911 Truth - Lt.Col. Robert M Bowman PhD.
rammer561 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 lol why are you even arguing with that gov shill, anyone that argues against iron clad facts about all things related to 911either is a gov. shill or his momma dropped him on his head a few thousand times. There isnt any doubt that 911 was carried out by the bush admin.The only thing any one with any brains needs to know is they refused to have a real investigation of 911and got rid of the steel as soon as possible despite many investigative agencys objections.
rammer561 10 months ago
I really don't understand what is so complicated about this presentation. Very well done. This clearly shows the american people that we need another investigation. Let the cards fall where they may. Who is against another complete investigation? What is so un-american about wanting another investigation?
Daddyo930 10 months ago
All I have to say is that I will never give up, never tire of saying what I know to be the truth. 911 was an inside job. If this were China, where everything is made, I might not have the chance to express how I feel. If we don't stop the illuminati, the knights of malta and other organizations bent on world domination, this will happen again and again. I have chosen the light.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
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911 inside job... FUCK USA FUCK JEW LOVING AMERICAN FUCKS AND FUCK ISRAEL..
death to USA and americans
taregass 11 months ago
Neocons are worse than Nazis. At least the Nazi's had the decency to not hide what they did.
gravitas73 11 months ago
Another lame 9/11 video that will make all unbelievers look like quacks.
"Random fires and random damage from plane impacts can only cause random failure"
That's some pretty flawed logic there. Random is random and you cannot predict something that is truly random. Therefore, random fires will damage randomly which can include structural fires.
minguster 11 months ago
@minguster Your circular reasoning does nothing but make you look stupid. The damage is not random and to say it was is a lie. You know it.
TheBbg83 11 months ago
@minguster 100 Celsius, moron. That's barely enough to boil an egg. You are either an idiot or you are working for the bastards. Which is it?
LordBalto 11 months ago
Coincidence is what you have left over when you have applied a bad theory
MrDarkTides 11 months ago
Just the fact that they completely ignored WTC7 i think is proof they are hiding facts. And what could possibly cause them to want to hide facts? I dont pretend to know what happened, but i do know that what that 911 commission report claims, and what the government is currently claiming, is not what happened. Or at least, nowhere near the full story
terminsane 11 months ago
"You have to multiply the probabilities together" only if the events are independent of each other: on 9/11, there was a plan encompassing two planes, both towers, and the failing buildings were constructed similarly and subjected to similar stresses. So in this case, the combined event is not much more unlikely than a single event would be, because the parts are NOT independent of each other, so you cannot multiply the probabilities.
mendelde 1 year ago
Two observations: The FLIR show the temperature of the objects closest to the camera, and would show the temperature of the SMOKE in the second picture, NOT the temperature of the fire. Compare with the picture given on the left: all you see on the normal photograph is smoke, and that's what the FLIR sees as well.
mendelde 1 year ago
I smell a rat
P1rateparrotcat 1 year ago
@Silbot92 thank you. that proves my point even more
hunteyman 1 year ago
GOD DAMMIT! WHO FUCKING CARES!?! I really don't give a crap about why, or what caused it. Hundreds of people died. Does that mean anything to you?
hunteyman 1 year ago
@hunteyman well.. i think you SHOULD care about it.. indeed thousands of people died because of ONE president wants it all.. i think we all should listen and care of what those scientist do have to say and open our fucking eyes of what really happend..
Fuck the war on terror, there was none.. just one man who want to rule the world and that was bush.. gladly it didnt work!
joerirouwen 1 year ago
@hunteyman I care. Because I care when MY government MURDERS thousands of people so their buddies in the arms industry can make HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of DOLLARS. Do you really not care about that?
LordBalto 11 months ago
@hunteyman
you dont care why? get the fuck out of my country retard.
splendid1000 11 months ago
To be fair, the Windsor Tower suffered a PARTIAL and UNEVEN collapse, unlike the WTC Towers which collapsed all the way to the ground, and unlike WTC7 which collapsed nearly intact except for the penthouses.
Skeptic121 1 year ago
@Skeptic121 Windsor was a concrete superstructure not a tube in tube steel frame like WTC Towers. Difference is like night and day. But small portion of Windsor was steel frame only. It collapsed...in 1 hour. WTC had MASSIVE damage and fires. There is tons of video evidence of this. Please do your homework
atamalakolive 11 months ago
@atamalakolive You tell me "please do your homework" so please read what I wrote. The anomalies of the three WTC collapses are the manner, not the collapses themselves. If the three WTC buildings had collapsed as the steel frame part of Windsor did, no debate. WTC7 was 100 meters wide; it suffered chaotic and uneven fires yet collapsed together (within 0.5 sec, at free fall for 2.25 sec (as NIST acknowledges). The WTC towers had MASSIVE cores that you fail to acknowledge with "tube in tube".
Skeptic121 11 months ago
@Skeptic121 WTC Cores remained standing for 15-20 seconds after collapse, though they were very damaged. There are videos of this on you tube. They were NOT part of the initial collapse, and if they were I would indeed agree with you. WTC 7 had considerable damage and massive fires. This is all on video and audio tape. It also started moving and creaking. Then they pulled the NYFD out of the building because they knew it was coming down. Only small portion was free fall, the atrium area.
atamalakolive 11 months ago
@atamalakolive Yes. The cores remained standing after the collapse. Question: Why did they fall? They survived the initial collapse; they were MASSIVE structures, very strong, especially the lower third. WHY did they collapse all the way to the ground, nearly straight down, not tipping over? You gloss over the free fall of WTC7. NIST acknowledges 25 meters of free fall, equal to the massive trusses over the electrical substation. Free fall means these were suddenly GONE, not weakened; GONE.
Skeptic121 11 months ago
@Skeptic121 Core falling addressed in separate post. As to WTC 7,. yes, Atrium area was pretty much free fall. What is the difference between a column failing and a column being demo'd? In demo the column sdoes not "disappear", it is weakened. Collapse does not start immediately in controlled demo, there is a lapse. What about the fact that building was moving, creaking, has massive damage and fires. Lots of video and photos of this. You don't know this?
atamalakolive 11 months ago
@atamalakolive Sorry, I don't understand your post. I think you are being VERY disingenuous, pretending to an intellectual level much below what you really possess. That kind of person is simply impossible to debate in a civil, productive manner. If I am wrong, please write better; otherwise....forget it.
Skeptic121 11 months ago
@Skeptic121 Tell you what. I have no idea how to send a message on here, but i have had people send them to me and have had exchanges. It is much better because you can post links, etc. I'd be glad to engage friendly debate. The reason you might not understand what I am saying is because space is limited so I try to condense things. I am a structural engineer with 30 yrs experience in NYC construction and open to friendly debate. So if you know how to send a message, please do. Thanks.
atamalakolive 11 months ago
@atamalakolive Why are you so-called skeptics always so stupid? 47 core columns do not constitute a tube, no matter how "skeptical" you think you are.
LordBalto 11 months ago
@LordBalto Yes they do, look it up. Towers were tube in tube construction. Inner tube comprised of Core Columns, Outer is Perimeter Columns. Between are NO columns in Interior Space. Think a long rectangular tube slid into a much larger one. Then trusses tie them together. Trusses failed, pulling perimeter in and ripping connections from core. I am a structural engineer, 30 years experience in NYC construction. This is my field. If you want to call me stupid, do your homework first.
atamalakolive 11 months ago
@atamalakolive SORRY, but "tube in tube" is disingenuous. That is, pretending to lack knowledge you in fact possess. The inner core columns were massive compared to the perimeter columns, especially in the lower third. Thus, the question, WHY did the inner cores collapse all the way to the ground? One of the cores appeared to survive the initial collapse, then fell straight down, not tipping. Why?
Skeptic121 11 months ago
@Skeptic121 Because they were ripped at the connections, and the debris pile was expanding, plus the area above the impact point was smashing them on the way down. They were not completely intact, but there was a skeleton. Truth says they were blown up to facilitate collapse, but the opposite happened. And don't forget, the Towers were 95% air. Again, once one floor was weakened, collapse was inevitable. This is engineering FACT. And tube in tube is what engineers like myself call it.
atamalakolive 11 months ago
@atamalakolive I'm done.
Skeptic121 11 months ago
@Skeptic121 I already knew that.
atamalakolive 11 months ago
@atamalakolive Your supposition only works if you remove all 47 core columns. Stop lying, you demean yourself. They never tested for explosives. You are a fraud. Go back to playing world of warcraft.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 The core remained standing for about 30 seconds after the collapse. And even after that part collapsed, there as a portion remaining. And there were no explosions just prior to collapse, so why would you test for explosives? The biggest explosion was the planes blowing up.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@atamalakolive Why are you wasting time trying to explain engineering construction when you don't know anything about it? Did you even bother to read the 911 commission report? How much do they pay you for being a disinformation agent? Is there anything that the government says that you don't believe? Most of my family served in the military, therefore, I have the right, just like you, to ask questions. Why don't you serve? They need people like you. JOIN NOW!
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 I am a structural engineer with 30 years experience in NYC construction. Why don't you address my points if you think I don't know what I am talking about. Stay on point, this has nothing to do with either of us serving. I am stating valid and basic engineering points. Debate them if you disagree, I am open to intelligent debate.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@atamalakolive What was your engineering point? Please explain in detail your engineering point. What point were you trying to address?
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 That the core remained standing. The Towers fell due to fireproofing blowing off beams from exploding planes, and the weakened area not supporting the area above (only designed to carry 3 or 4 floors above, not several). Due to no Interior Columns, Towers collapsed down from top to bottom (the opposite of a controlled demo). The core below the impact area was not part of that collapse, it fell later. Your theory says the core was blown up first, which makes no sense, it fell last.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@atamalakolive Now your just doing mental hungry hungry hippo's. Do you even know what your saying? Go back and watch the world trade center documentary. It goes into great detail regarding how the building was constructed. What you just said makes no sense at all. It's like your just making stuff up as you go along.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 What does not make sense specifically? I am very familiar with the construction.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@atamalakolive So lets start from the beginning. 1. please acknowledge that there were 47 core columns. Unless you know something about the world trade center construction that everyone else does not. 2. Please tell us the melting point of steel.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 Yes, I have already referenced core and perimeter columns in my post. My point was there were no columns in the interior space (between core and perimeter) from grade to roof. None. And that was the part that initially collapsed. In fact the South Tower started to collapse on a tilt, but the core below the impact point kept the Tower from toppling, as designed. Melting point not significant. Steel loses 50% strength at 500 C and 90% at 100 C. Steel is worse than timbers in fire
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 This could take a lot of space. if you wish, send me a private message on here (I am not sure how to do it) and we can have a more lengthy exchange and post links, etc. Some other people have sent me private messages on here and we had exchanges, I am just not sure how to initiate it. Up to you if you want to go that route. I only saw how to post a comment to someone's profile, not a private message.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@atamalakolive No need for that. Just tell me whether or not you believe that the world trade center buildings 1 and 2 had 47 core columns. Thats a yes or no question. Then tell me the melting point of steel. I'll do it for you 2750 degrees. There done. For someone who's an engineer, you should know how to use Youtube at least. I doubt your intelligence. Just answer the question or stop ghostin me son.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 Lose the attitude and try for intelligent conversation. 47 core columns and 59 perimeter columns per building. As to melting point of steel, for Carbon Steel about 2050 F, for pure steel melting will commence at 2720 F with complete liquid at 2800 F. Oxidized steel (with rust) is actually already "burning", and in many cases when heated enough can ignite and sustain fires. Sulfur can also accelerate that. So we have established some already known facts. Your point is???
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@atamalakolive How can a structure fall through the path of most resistance? Did you listen to the radio transmissions from the firefighters? Isolated pockets of fire. The fires were not hot enough to weaken the steel. The fires in the buildings never reached those temperatures you just mentioned. So please explain how the top of the building can generate enough force to crush the entire larger structure below, defying the laws of physics. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 How was that the path of most resistance? The entire building did not collapse at once, it went down from top to bottom. Essentially one floor at a time. Each floor was only designed for 3-4 floors above. The additional weight was too much. This is very basic physics and engineering. One firefighter from a stairwell 3 floors down from impact said "pockets of fire". There are numerous photos of a raging inferno in there. People jumped to their deaths it was so hot.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 Fires were estimated at 700 C. Steel loses 50% strength at 500 C, and 90% at 1000 C. Steel does not have to even come close to melting to buckle. Steel is very weak in fire. Why do you think they fireproof it? For aesthetics? Even in timber framing, the part that usually requires fireproofing is the metal connections.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 The Towers were 95% "Air". They were lightweight construction.The tube in tube design allowed them to use 40% less structural steel than a conventional design. You make it sound like the entire building collapsed at once. it started at the top, and went sequentially downward. You had a similar force being exerted as it went down. It was too much for the areas it was impacting. As I said, each floor was designed to carry only 3-4 floors above it. Again, very basic physics.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@atamalakolive Hmm. Unless I'm mistaken, I saw the buildings fall through the path of the most resistance. If the building were going to fall, it makes sense that they would have broken at the weakest point and fallen to either side, not straight down through the path of the most resistance. A very simple example of this is if you cut a tree like your going to chop it down, it falls either to the left or right, now down through the path of the most resistance. Go back and play medal of honor
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930 You're funny. A tree is solid. Yes, if the Towers were a block of steel and collapsed downward, I would be suspicious. But they were 95% AIR. Tell me what the resistance of AIR is? Plus they were designed NOT to topple (Core). Again, the entire Interior Space (the part that collapsed first) had NO VERTICAL COLUMNS, which means there was NO RESISTANCE except Perimeter Columns (which buckled) and the truss/core connections (bolts and welds). Least resistance was down. GRAVITY!!
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@atamalakolive In April of 2009 a peer-reviewed paper published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal reported the finding of unignited nano-engineered thermitic materials in multiple samples of World Trade Center dust. The discovery of these materials, is important. Do you not believe in peer review? I think that science is important and relevent in this instance. Please explain how the scientist are wrong in this case?
Daddyo930 9 months ago
@Daddyo930 Building fires with Aluminum always have thermite reactions. This is very basic. Bentham has published bogus papers before, and in this case the Editor resigned because the paper was a joke. It was NOT peer reviewed at all. It is a joke. The found basic building materials like sulfur and concluded "nanothermite", even though sulfur is in sheetrock. Also even Herrit has now said that explosives must also have been used as thermite is very unreliable. But no explosions? Funny.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive How was this a joke? Point out to me another peer reviewed scientific paper that refutes the claims of nano thermite being found in the wtc dust. Even if the whole board resigned, that would not take away the truth of science and chemistry. You didn't even bother to read the article because you can't even point out an instance where their measurements or chromatograph readings were inconsistant. Can you or did you even bother to read it because you know the truth already?
Daddyo930 9 months ago
@Daddyo930 It was NOT peer reviewed. Do your homework, you take gullible to a new level. And I have looked at the paper. The "spheres" the found that "prove" nanothermite are also found in cutting and welding. Duh. They have NO idea how this was done logistically, or exactly what the substance is. But they "know" something must be wrong. These people are attention grabbers milking a cash cow. Make sure you buy their books.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive They are not selling books. They are reviewing analysis of dust samples collected at the world trade center. What they found and has been confirmed by peer review which means that other scientist got a sample, ran it through a gas chromatograph and then compared data. Every scientist that participated in the study is indicated. That is called the scientific method. What are you talking about. Did you see the names on the website? Tell me some of the names then.
Daddyo930 9 months ago
@Daddyo930 This is a complex subject that is impossible to debate in restricted space where you can't post links. I sent you very lengthy private message instead. I read the whole report, and I have read what I sent. To be objective you should also do both. Thanks.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive Lets just agree that you don't know science because you did not read the report. Otherwise you would be able to point out discrepancies in the readings from chromatography results or any of the other methods used to determine the chemical make up of the dust that was tested. Don't bother me with your nonsense unless you want to talk about the NIST data points. Oh wait, NIST won't release their data. When they do, we will have something to discuss.
Daddyo930 9 months ago
@Daddyo930 There are no discrepancies in the report. They found thermite, which is common in building fires with Aluminum. Duh. And the spheres the found are common in building and welding. Wonder if any of that was done erecting WTC? Duh. And they take samples SIX YEARS OLD not kept in a controlled environment? That is science? Really? So, SIX YEARS LATER they want to know why some "magic dust" was not tested for? For real? Are you that gullible?
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive What you forgot to mention was that they found a very specific chemical that is only found in nano thermite. You did not read the report. Stop bothering me with your nonsense. You obviously have no respect for science unless it agrees with your assumptions. You have no respect for the scientific method and do not understand what a chain of custody is. That's why I know you did not read the report. Stop bothering me mr. disinformation agent.
Daddyo930 9 months ago
@Daddyo930 Chain of Custody? Samples collected SIX YEARS later that were not stored in Controlled Environments? What they found was Kalonite that was present and is embedded in a Carbon based matrix with Rhomboidal Fe2O3 from the red paint. They have refused to turn over samples and their research to an independent lab. They claim there were 10 TONS of nanothermite, and that it was sprayed under all the decks. They are completely out of their effing minds. If you buy it, so are you.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive So lets just end this with a question. How you answer the question will determine whether or not you are a freedom loving american or something else that is not a freedom loving american. Should NIST release the data generated in the engineering report or not? It's a very simple yes or no question. I am not interested in anything besides that and all further discussion will be directed towards this question should you choose to ignore it.
Daddyo930 9 months ago
@Daddyo930 10,000 pages of data were released by NIST, much of it very detailed analysis on virtually every beam and column in WTC1, 2 & 7. It's even available on line. Yet for the "nanothermite" report they refuse to submit their samples for independent testing, and have NEVER done a report on ANY of the collapses. So you once again take the opposite point of view of reality.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
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@atamalakolive 10,000 pages of data were released by NIST, much of it very detailed analysis on virtually every beam and column in WTC1, 2 & 7. It's even available on line.
I want the data points used and the data from the collapse simulation. Where is that?
Daddyo930 9 months ago
@atamalakolive How could NIST have made a report on the evidence, when it was all disposed of before the report was compiled?
For real, how could Tower 7 collapse if there was no serious structural damage that wasn't caused by fire?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide The Steel was available until April of 2002. It was comprehensively tested. And fire causes structural damage. As does thermal expansion in fire. Why do you think they fireproof steel? It is terrible in fire, timbers are much better. In timber frame construction, the part that needs fireproofing is the steel connections. This is very basic stuff. There is lots of video footage of the extensive infernos, as well as footage of the extensive damage to the building.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive Come on, don't be an idiot. If fire weakens steel, why did the Twin Towers collapse into themselves after such a short amount of time?
There is video footage of the fires. There is no evidence of fire causing a steel framed building to collapse anywhere else. If there was another occurrence of a steel framed building collapsing from fire damage, it would not be as difficult to believe that Tower 7 wasn't demolished. You have seen the videos yourself. Don't be silly.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide The fireproofing was blown off from the exploding planes at that level. They were 1 hour rated buildings. Steel framed part of Windsor collapsed in 1 hour. McCormick Place collapsed in 20 minutes from small electrical fire. To say a steel framed building never collapsed from fire denies documented history. This is BASIC stuff. I've seen videos of the fires in 7, including extensive footage of firefighters concerned that building would collapse. LOTS of footage. Basic stuff.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive How could both towers collapse into themselves? A one hour rating does not mean the whole structure will collapse after 90 minutes. It only means the structural integrity will be compromised. What can cause a Superstructure to collapse into itself? To phrase the question in a more precise manner: what will cause an equal amount of structural damage to happen in an almost uniform manner, resulting in a building falling into it's own footprint?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide The buildings were 95% "Air". Plus they were completely symmetrical "tube in tube" construction. There were no columns in the interior space (between core and perimeter) from grade to roof. None. There was no resistance except perimeter columns (which were clearly buckling) and truss/core connections (bolts/welds). Each floor was only designed to carry 3-4 floors above. Once one area is compromised (1 hour), the symmetry of the building makes for a symmetrical collapse.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive So what cause an even amount of weakening to the structure? Are you seriously telling me that you believe this fire spread uniformly throughout the whole structure? Are you serious?
Are you a fire engineer?
Also, the Windsor parking garage collapse was attributed, I believe, to the fact that it was repaved with ashphalt and not concrete. Perhaps I'm wrong and that was a fire? It wasn't a superstructure though, perhaps I should have asked for other superstructures collapsing.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Throughout the impacted areas, yes. There is video of this. I am a structural engineer, and I know steel loses 50% strength at 500 C and 90% at 1000 C. Building fires are usually 700-800 C. Windsor was a skyscraper. And as to concrete, Towers had no structural concrete above grade. Only concrete was 4" floor slabs, non-structural, no re-bar, pebble aggregate. I have personally chipped it with a small Bosch 11305 chipping gun. Chips easy and makes lots of dust.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive I have learnt that the Windsor in Madrid only partially collapsed. If you have any sources which can show me that the steel supports collapsed into themselves, please do so. You must also know of the building in Beijing which did not collapse.
I mean a collapse into it's own footprint. As far as I'm aware, this has been limited to a few buildings in history. What impacted areas were there in Tower 7? How could the entire building be weakened by the fire uniformly?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Exactly, the part that collapsed was steel frame only, and it collapsed in 1 hour. The rest was concrete superstructure, so steel columns were encased in structural concrete. No way fire takes that down. Factory in Thailand had similar collapse to Towers. McCormick Place collapsed in 20 minutes from fire. So did Sight and Sound Theater in PA collapse. All Steel frame only. Plus Towers were hit by planes, and they were symmetrical tube construction.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@57worldwide On Building 7, space here is limited. I will send a private message instead with links, etc.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive You can send me a private message with links, I will look at it. I consider both sides.
All I'm asking is, 'why did the whole building fall down, when Tower 7 cannot have been damaged uniformly? How could the whole building collapse?'
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide I tried to, but all I see on your profile is a place to post comments. And when I do, I always exceed the number of characters. Tell you what, send me a private message if possible and I will reply. If not possible, let me know and I will post comments on your profile if you don't mind. I appreciate the civil debate. FYI I hate the Bush Admin and wanted to believe the Truth stuff. But my research found they lie more than Cheney... But thanks for being civil, many are not.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@57worldwide And before you call me an idiot, I am a structural engineer with 30 years construction experience in NYC. If you want to engage debate on engineering, fine. But I'm no idiot. It sounds to me like you have not seen a lot of the footage on Bldg 7, including video of fires and damage, firefighters saying building was "leaning and creaking", etc. Plus some fires were concentrated just above open Atrium area, a very critical area. Steel is VERY vulnerable to fire.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
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@atamalakolive They are not selling books. They are reviewing analysis of dust samples collected at the world trade center. What they found and has been confirmed by peer review which means that other scientist got a sample, ran it through a gas chromatograph and then compared data. Every scientist that participated in the study is indicated. That is called the scientific method. What are you talking about? Did you see the names on the website? Tell me some of the names then.
Daddyo930 9 months ago
@Skeptic121 Windsor was a concrete superstructure, TOTALLY different than Towers. It could burn for weeks without collapsing. Plus it was not hit by a plane. But a small portion of Windsor was steel framed only. It collapsed in 1 hour.
atamalakolive 9 months ago
@atamalakolive Please read what I wrote, paying particular attention to the words in all caps: PARTIAL and UNEVEN.
Skeptic121 9 months ago
Thank you.
sajabz2007 1 year ago
The CIA blew up the Twin Towers, It was a False flag attack. Reference Stanton Friedman, He's the guy who's responsible for most/all of the economic/social problems in the world. Donald Rumsfeld too another evil moron
feeks84 1 year ago 2
@feeks84 How about referencing reality instead. The Towers were not blown up, unless you are referring to the exploding planes, which were not piloted by the CIA.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
@feeks84 how the HELL is stanton friedman involved in this in any way????????? how is he responsible for problems in our system?!?! do you even know who he is??
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
@guineapiggyman Meant Milton Friedman, the problem is stupid, fat and fucking gullible Americans like you!
feeks84 9 months ago
@feeks84 ok, so how is he responsible for all the problems??? have you even listened to him speak? he has pridicted everyhting that happened with incredible accuracy. also, since you mentioned stanton friedman, im guessing your into ufos.... whats ur opinion on roswell??
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
impressive. so many idiotic truther lines of bullshit, wild assumptions stated as facts, mile-long leaps of logic, and tired old debunked talking points jam packed into just 10 short minutes. very good editing, but so painfully fucking stupid.
unclesamsnephew666 1 year ago
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``` for mudering 3000 Americans
HoodwinkedbyanAngel 1 year ago
your an idiot
shootmohr 1 year ago
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@911twoof who is KSM?
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hailtotheking324 1 year ago
ppl get away with this stuff because they know theres not very meny smart ppl in the world to prove that they lied about this and that they did it. and im prety shur that president bush did this because hes a drunken red neck ass hole ho chokes on pretsals and falls on his fat ass face XD.nohe did this because hes stupid. and i feel sorry for they ppl that died in 9/11 :(
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awsome5ful 1 year ago
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urgod78 1 year ago
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WonderWhy2012 1 year ago
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WonderWhy2012 1 year ago
The people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job are part of a conspiracy. I guess we're all supposed to believe that the images of the jets slamming into the towers were just digital fakes and that the people on the ground were hypnotized by Will Smith and the other Men in Black into remembering seeing the jets hit the WTC.
CryptoDriver 1 year ago
@CryptoDriver The truth is often easier to swallow than lies that go down like fine wine. Accept the fact that evil does exist in the world and that it multiplies when good men do nothing.
"The high office of the president has been used to foment a plot to destroy America's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizens of this plight." President John F. Kennedy, November 12, 1963.
Date of Kennedy Assassination: November 22, 1963.
Was JFK a "conspiracy theorist" as well?
carrieannesaid 1 year ago 9
@carrieannesaid The "magic bullet" theory proposed by Arlyn Specter seemed to go down smoothly. He stayed in the senate for 30+ years. The greatest generation sold us out to the corporations.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@carrieannesaid What the hell does JFK have to do with 9/11. Now everything is a conspiracy? FLIR measure SURFACE temperature. This whole post has no merit. If you have 30 ovens and only one is turned on, FLIR will tell you which one it is by detecting heat. But the temperature displayed will be the temperature outside of the oven, not inside. 9/11 Truth once again telling more lies than Dick Cheney, quite an accomplishment.
atamalakolive 10 months ago
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HoodwinkedbyanAngel 1 year ago
Good work. Very credible.
The criminals are very concerned. Keep it up.
enkibumbu 1 year ago 2