cdesign proponentsists-the case against "Intelligent Design"

[MorganMarvinson]

@ignatz1106 I've often wondered what this experience will do to him. Incarceration provides a lot of time for a person to think. Even though he would do it with a grin, his "I'm winning this argument because I'm right" (and not because of rhetorical skills) did display a lack of modesty for someone who is called by the name of Christ. I hope he comes back with humility and a better grasp of his opponents' point of view. The man is intelligent and he did present legitimate issues.

[dildace]

cdesign proponentsists

[MorganMarvinson]

@ignatz1106 I commend your openness. I really need to be working on a research project in another field that I am doing, so I suggest you actually watch some of Hovind's presentations about what he finds unacceptable in the textbooks. You may not like his belief in God as the creator and will have to choke down the part you don't like, but he deals with specific issues in the texts that have been discredited.

I'll have to leave you to your conscience as to whether you follow through with this.

[Ambidexter143]

@MorganMarvinson

"Dr" Hovind specifically and consciously rejects reality and replaces it with a 2,500 year old myth. He then tries to prop up this myth by finding holes in evolution. He's a man with a religious agenda, not a scientific one.

[MorganMarvinson]

@Ambidexter143 "... Hovind specifically ..." A sweeping statement, which I would take as saying you aren't interesting in listening to the specifics of his complaints about public school textbooks.

Your opinion has been registered.

[Ambidexter143]

@MorganMarvinson

As it happens, I know what his complaints about public school textbooks are. They don't push the religious agenda he wants promoted.  Instead, they go in for science and reality and all that stuff Hovind wants to replace with religious mythology.

[MorganMarvinson]

@ignatz1106 "I thought you were more intelligent than that ..." So how am I to take this jab? I am intelligent, and you apparently like to throw insults.

Do you want me to go through issue by issue to tell you where I agree with him? Why not start with what I have gone on record as supporting--that there are many things in public school biology texts that are no longer supported by the scientific community, yet they continue to be presented to our young people as evidences for evolution?

[MorganMarvinson]

@ignatz1106 BTW, to answer your closing question--it's the moon.

[MorganMarvinson]

@ignatz1106 Your response shows you don't know enough about Kent Hovind to know why I would use him as an example. His consistent issue was why his tax dollars should be spent to promote in high school biology textbooks what not only he thought was false, but that scientists in general consider to be false.

I do believe his stand-alone position left him open to misunderstand what a non-profit organization should pay in taxes, but I have no evidence that he was "lining his pockets" in any way.

[MorganMarvinson]

"teachers cannot present information they believe to be false" Pennsylvania must be a good place to teach science. According to this statement, Kenneth Hovind could teach science there (if he weren't otherwise occupied at the moment) without presenting information in textbooks he believes to be false.

Maybe in a few years ...

[Venaloid]

Lol, that book was anything BUT intelligently designed.

[Dracopol]

What's so wrong about NOT being created? Oh, yeah, right, you lose your 10% discount coupon at Denny's and your right to be seated ahead of Black people...

[Brownyman]

Sweet, sweet irony! :D

[Mitche23]

What is the name of this pbs documentary?

[michaeltheman8888]

all you would have to do is make the case that aliens are part of creationism and believeing in aliens is not a religion. some people believe that the annunaki made humans to be there slave. i really dont find anything religious about that. and you would have to keep everything about the earth. i bet if i wrote this book i could get it to pass the courts and if i didnt pass i could get evolution out of the class room cause i could classify it as a religous belief.

[GuBB3rGuN]

@michaeltheman8888 Evolution is not a religious belief. Religion requires faith (belief in the absence of evidence) there is no faith in evolution. It is fact.

[michaeltheman8888]

@GuBB3rGuN you have faith in the people that tell you what is truth. you religious nazi

[MorganMarvinson]

@GuBB3rGuN I think you don't understand religious faith--and you aren't totally clear on the essence of evolutionary theory. Religious faith is based on evidence--it is not a total leap in the dark. One cannot accept Evolution without believing that life spontaneously arose (abiogenesis) and that random copy errors, coupled with live-or-die Natural Selection, can produce exquisite design. Those beliefs do not accord with any evidence I have read or observed.

[Paxmax]

Now THERE is your problem!!!

Crap on 'em, we have to explain all transistional fossils... even the ones belonging to creationism.

Oh creationism, puhleze become extinct!!

[FighterDoken]

CONGRESS CANNOT PASS A LAW THAT PROMOTES ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER.

That very clause should be the end of this stupid ID issue. Come on.

[nhf7170]

@FighterDoken

That's what the Constitution says, but the original intent of the framers demands that congress act not what the framers wrote in the Constitution, but what they REALLY meant but didn't say. Read your Constitution (or not), just like the strict constructionists, or the soriginal intentionists do(n't)

[FighterDoken]

@nhf7170 I see I'm not the only necro-psychic-sicist out there. The two of us can read the thoughts of the DEAD!! BWAHAHA!!

[migkillertwo]

just watch it on google video

[Nebzz]

"cdesign proponentsists" It's evolving!

[CdesignProponentsist]

Like a virus.

[migkillertwo]

*gets infected with the I.D virus* AAAAAAAAH!!!! OH NOES!!!!

*in a zombie voice* God, er an intelligent designer, created the universe!