Holy crap Mark is getting alot of flack for hanging out with the free zoners... Mark if you are reading this, I believe you are doing the right thing, if you want to make a documentary about something, you must have people in it that know something about the subject, and these guys certainly do. I wish you could talk to the Magic Thetan, he is super fun.
I have no problem with folks auditing one another, exchanging cash, and talking about how great it is. It is sad when their children are pulled into it, but that stuff happens. A lot of people believe lies. Hopefully the freezoners won't emphasize Hubbard's coldblooded ideas on profiling and manipulating people, infiltrating groups & governments and viciously attacking mental health professionals.
The Co$ was formed in Hubbard's image, according to his explicit instructions. He was the first to call these people squirrels and PTS/SPs....and yet they cling to his teachings.
I respect you Mark but I think you are wrong here. Freezoners are a dangerous source of quack medical treatments, and that is just for starters. They do have the "right" to believe as they wish, we all do. But, please, I don't want them near impressionable young people either.
The question is, is Mark being pals with the Freezone because he sees them as a source of journalistic information, or is this a side result of the application of Marty Rathbun's and his followers' attempt to use Hubbard's public opinion influencing instructions - which *are* effective under certain conditions - on certain important "wogs" ? If there was space, I'd list the tactics used to influence Mark, who, with some others, was targeted for "handling" by the non-CofS Hubbardites.
@bogglerful I'm not being handled. I am seeking information from people who believe in the tech. I don't but if they're not hurting people I don't have a problem with them.
@XENUTV That's fine. But there is a difference between "not having a problem with" and giving your seal of approval.
The Scientology Freezone and Independent Scientology is a smaller - lighter - version of $cientology, and by no means entirely benign.
There *is* an attempt to "handle" you as a "no case gain wog" who can be used in the promotion of Scientology. It comes with manipulatve "help" and manipulative "friendliness."
Weird, I never thought he would support "free" zone! I'll wait till the movies complete to make any judgements since what other vids I've seen on this channel have been excellent, espescially the ones involving James Randi. But free-zoners are promoting the same bullshit as traditional $cientology and that is not worth a single ounce of respect.
Unfortunately Hubbard's baby has fascism and exploitation built into it by design. Freezoners will find that out again should the every become successful...
Purely a theory here Mark could support free zoners for all I know but if I was trying to expose the secrets of scientology I'd say I supported free zoners even though I don't just to get the scoop...
I support the right of Jehovah's Witnesses to be Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., but I don't **support Jehovah's Witnesses*. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. Similarly, I don't support the Hubbard disciples known as the "freezone." Yet, I don't advocate forcibly stopping them either. BUT I DON'T SUPPORT THEM.
These people are still enemies of reason. Moderate Christians, Muslims, Scientologists, etc. have no place in the progression of a freethinking world. Even the most moderate followers are still hold back civilization.
Too bad Mark is giving credibility to a con man like Rey Robles. I guess he doesn't know any better. The funny thing about Scientology - almost everyone who interacts with Scientology, long enough, ends up being handled by Scientology.
I have heard this phrase before, and I feel it applies to this.
"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it."
These people may believe whatever they wish. It is as soon as they act on those beliefs in a way that is harmful and abusive to others that they lose. While most will look at their beliefs and feel them completely fallacious in nature, as long as they do not perpetuate the acts of abuse or harassment that others execute, let them be.
Abreactive "therapy" is still extremely harmful, no matter if it is "free zoners" doing it or the crime syndicate. The USA Army discovered, to their horror, that the process makes people much, much worse..... which is why they quit using it in the early 1950s, just as Hubbard started selling abreactive sessions in his "Hubbard Centers." Scientology makes people worse; encouraging "free zoners" to continue using abreactive "therapy" is unethical, immoral, and very, very harmful.
Being a rational skeptic I'm not a big fan of religion. But, it is the lies and and abusive behavior that really got my hackles up about the Church of $cientology -- not the fact that some people choose belief systems that I think are poorly substantiated.
I'm sorry but I feel nothing but contempt for the "free" zone. There is nothing good about the works of LRH. There is nothing socially redeeming about his ravenings. These people are only spreading the illusion that there is some piece of $cientology "tech" that is worth saving. And that's far from the truth.
@Synth3t1cs how much of the works of LRH did you read ? and would you be so kindly to point out exactly why there is nothing good about his works ?.....for example : what the hell is wrong with the ARC triangle, the Comm. foumula, the Tone Skale or the TR´s ? just to mention this few little tiny parts of his works ?
@EstrellaPolux I believe its "tone scale." LRH was a mentally ill con man who enjoyed deceiving people. If you can find anything of value in his works chances are he stole it from someone else.
@EstrellaPolux I wouldn't pretend to know everything about my own regligion. That would be wrong. But I do know enough about the life and works of LRH to understand that he was a dangerous, lying, occultist, psychotic who enjoyed tricking people into believing his lies.
Should we talk about the dangers of the L-Rundowns? Shall we talk about the devastating effect it had on people like Mario Majorski? Shall we talk about the brain numbing effects of electrical current and magic soup cans?
@EstrellaPolux So you're only comeback is to admit that the works of LRH do in fact, damage the mind. Well I'm glad you finally agree with me.
I just want you to know my feelings about LRH do not extend to the people who practice his belief system. I'm just unhappy with the "free zone" for perpetuating his crimes. Some free zoners, like Marty Rathbun, just want their own piece of the scam. They know there is a lot of money to be made.
@Synth3t1cs yes, and i see that you are admitting that your mind is definetly heavy damaged. So please go to the next psychiatry and get some electro shocks on your brain.......
@EstrellaPolux Oh poor Estrella, you just keep responding, as if something about my comments has struck a nerve, and you can't find the right thing to say in response.
@EstrellaPolux Instead of trading insults, why don't you just contact me directly? If you have something meaningful to say I would love to hear it.
Strangely enough, one of the things I might share with you is a disdain for the psychiatric profession. Maybe we could find a common ground on that subject?
@ReformedChurchOfScie Like any other religion there are schisms. Corporate Scientology might be redeemed if they change their head of office. Or if the free zone Scientologist's form their own official Church. Though much like the protestants were prosecuted by the Catholic Church, we might see something similar no doubt...
@cthun934 The freezone has a right to their practices as long as they are not perpetuating the abuses, such as breaking up families, harassing critics and former members, slave labor, locking people up in the RPF, using deception to recruit, etc.
@cthun934 I agree 100%, those that support the beliefs and teaching of LRH are just as bad as the CO$ members that follow DM today. It is the same old load of s__t in a new package
Mark, I ask for you to at least address the abuses to the innocent and weak by LRH when in the company of these so-called "independent" Scientologists,
How should we react if there was a new "independent* Nazi party ?
@cthun934 You are missing the point my friend....listen to what WBM says right off the bat. You can believe WHATEVER you want to believe, you just CANNOT act any way you choose. This isn't about support of the freezone, dude....this is about human rights. You point is equally as dogmatic as the ones who he is fighting against. Scientology tech isnt damaging. It's the people who use it incorrectly.
@Scientologee so mind control is not dangerous? If you're a brainwashed cultist how would you even be able to "act normally"? The way a lot of scientologists "act" comes straight from applying the tech, i.e. "handling" critics, bull baiting ,sec checks etc. because this is all part of the tech. So I believe parts of it are indeed damaging, but then again so is smoking cigarettes.
@Scientologee "Scientology tech isn't damaging. It's the people who use it incorrectly." Geez, that kind of naivete is why I don't "support he Freezone" - they're still under the influence of Hubbard's tilt-a-whirl carnival mind-ride.
I won't stop them, but I won't "support" them either.
Hey Scientologee, I like the way you played the "Human Rights" angle - see Ron's Journal 68 - against the other poster's playing of the "anti-religion" angle. Cute.
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anoni81b4u 3 weeks ago in playlist Scientology
Nicely stated, Mark. I look forward to KR.
Also bogglerful = OSA.
ElectroPagan 1 month ago
Holy crap Mark is getting alot of flack for hanging out with the free zoners... Mark if you are reading this, I believe you are doing the right thing, if you want to make a documentary about something, you must have people in it that know something about the subject, and these guys certainly do. I wish you could talk to the Magic Thetan, he is super fun.
eulerpwnzgauss 1 month ago
Just to clarify -- these freezoners still believe in Xenu (or Xemu)?
MrDunedon 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I have no problem with folks auditing one another, exchanging cash, and talking about how great it is. It is sad when their children are pulled into it, but that stuff happens. A lot of people believe lies. Hopefully the freezoners won't emphasize Hubbard's coldblooded ideas on profiling and manipulating people, infiltrating groups & governments and viciously attacking mental health professionals.
thenneedd 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
mark seems you have put the wrong URL at the end of this clip knowledgereport-themovie not knowledgereport-thefilm
hostingboy 2 months ago
Free Zoners = victims of Stockholm Syndrome
The Co$ was formed in Hubbard's image, according to his explicit instructions. He was the first to call these people squirrels and PTS/SPs....and yet they cling to his teachings.
ProfessorxVile 2 months ago 6
I respect you Mark but I think you are wrong here. Freezoners are a dangerous source of quack medical treatments, and that is just for starters. They do have the "right" to believe as they wish, we all do. But, please, I don't want them near impressionable young people either.
FrankMahovlich 2 months ago 8
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bogglerful 2 months ago
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bogglerful 2 months ago
my enemy's enemy is my friend???
anonflowerdenmark 2 months ago 2
The question is, is Mark being pals with the Freezone because he sees them as a source of journalistic information, or is this a side result of the application of Marty Rathbun's and his followers' attempt to use Hubbard's public opinion influencing instructions - which *are* effective under certain conditions - on certain important "wogs" ? If there was space, I'd list the tactics used to influence Mark, who, with some others, was targeted for "handling" by the non-CofS Hubbardites.
bogglerful 2 months ago
@bogglerful I'm not being handled. I am seeking information from people who believe in the tech. I don't but if they're not hurting people I don't have a problem with them.
XENUTV 2 months ago 6
@XENUTV That's fine. But there is a difference between "not having a problem with" and giving your seal of approval.
The Scientology Freezone and Independent Scientology is a smaller - lighter - version of $cientology, and by no means entirely benign.
There *is* an attempt to "handle" you as a "no case gain wog" who can be used in the promotion of Scientology. It comes with manipulatve "help" and manipulative "friendliness."
Be careful, my friend.
bogglerful 2 months ago 2
Weird, I never thought he would support "free" zone! I'll wait till the movies complete to make any judgements since what other vids I've seen on this channel have been excellent, espescially the ones involving James Randi. But free-zoners are promoting the same bullshit as traditional $cientology and that is not worth a single ounce of respect.
MrBakura91 2 months ago
Unfortunately Hubbard's baby has fascism and exploitation built into it by design. Freezoners will find that out again should the every become successful...
TheEndOfScientology 2 months ago 3
Purely a theory here Mark could support free zoners for all I know but if I was trying to expose the secrets of scientology I'd say I supported free zoners even though I don't just to get the scoop...
SenorKristobbalVLog 2 months ago
@Scientolulz LRH going against "squirrels" in the 1950s and 1960s too. Google Amprinistics.
bogglerful 2 months ago
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bogglerful 2 months ago
I support the right of Jehovah's Witnesses to be Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., but I don't **support Jehovah's Witnesses*. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. Similarly, I don't support the Hubbard disciples known as the "freezone." Yet, I don't advocate forcibly stopping them either. BUT I DON'T SUPPORT THEM.
bogglerful 2 months ago 3
These people are still enemies of reason. Moderate Christians, Muslims, Scientologists, etc. have no place in the progression of a freethinking world. Even the most moderate followers are still hold back civilization.
Chilldudeski 2 months ago
@Chilldudeski Scientology is not a religion.
bogglerful 2 months ago
@Chilldudeski word, brother.
Rockster969 2 months ago
Mark seems like a nice fellow. His brand isn't a that of skeptic, atheist, or "deBunker" (pardon the pun.
I won't be interested in his documentary if this is any indication of the tone of the movie. But I still like Mark. He's done a lot of good.
HellRehab 2 months ago
Too bad Mark is giving credibility to a con man like Rey Robles. I guess he doesn't know any better. The funny thing about Scientology - almost everyone who interacts with Scientology, long enough, ends up being handled by Scientology.
bogglerful 2 months ago 2
Cheepscate loonys ......................
bodgerd 2 months ago
I have heard this phrase before, and I feel it applies to this.
"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it."
These people may believe whatever they wish. It is as soon as they act on those beliefs in a way that is harmful and abusive to others that they lose. While most will look at their beliefs and feel them completely fallacious in nature, as long as they do not perpetuate the acts of abuse or harassment that others execute, let them be.
Toriga 2 months ago 2
Abreactive "therapy" is still extremely harmful, no matter if it is "free zoners" doing it or the crime syndicate. The USA Army discovered, to their horror, that the process makes people much, much worse..... which is why they quit using it in the early 1950s, just as Hubbard started selling abreactive sessions in his "Hubbard Centers." Scientology makes people worse; encouraging "free zoners" to continue using abreactive "therapy" is unethical, immoral, and very, very harmful.
Desertphile 2 months ago 6
Being a rational skeptic I'm not a big fan of religion. But, it is the lies and and abusive behavior that really got my hackles up about the Church of $cientology -- not the fact that some people choose belief systems that I think are poorly substantiated.
MsMrNoface 2 months ago
I'm sorry but I feel nothing but contempt for the "free" zone. There is nothing good about the works of LRH. There is nothing socially redeeming about his ravenings. These people are only spreading the illusion that there is some piece of $cientology "tech" that is worth saving. And that's far from the truth.
Synth3t1cs 2 months ago 52
@Synth3t1cs
well apart from the whole "corporate scam" thing scientology is just another stupid religion.
doodles6857 1 month ago
@Synth3t1cs how much of the works of LRH did you read ? and would you be so kindly to point out exactly why there is nothing good about his works ?.....for example : what the hell is wrong with the ARC triangle, the Comm. foumula, the Tone Skale or the TR´s ? just to mention this few little tiny parts of his works ?
EstrellaPolux 3 weeks ago
@EstrellaPolux I believe its "tone scale." LRH was a mentally ill con man who enjoyed deceiving people. If you can find anything of value in his works chances are he stole it from someone else.
Synth3t1cs 3 weeks ago
@Synth3t1cs ah i see, you don´t read anything of the works of LRH but you pretending to know everything......you are nothing but a fool !!!!
EstrellaPolux 3 weeks ago
@EstrellaPolux I wouldn't pretend to know everything about my own regligion. That would be wrong. But I do know enough about the life and works of LRH to understand that he was a dangerous, lying, occultist, psychotic who enjoyed tricking people into believing his lies.
Should we talk about the dangers of the L-Rundowns? Shall we talk about the devastating effect it had on people like Mario Majorski? Shall we talk about the brain numbing effects of electrical current and magic soup cans?
Synth3t1cs 3 weeks ago
@Synth3t1cs man you have definetly NO clue...........P.S: and i guess Jesus Christ was the devil in person in your eyes, wasn´t he ?
EstrellaPolux 3 weeks ago
@EstrellaPolux Oh I have more than a clue when it comes to the mind damaging effects of the works of LRH.
Christ and the devil? What an odd thing to say? Hinting at occultism is a diversionary tactic. Fail. Stay on point.
Synth3t1cs 3 weeks ago
@Synth3t1cs yes, obviously you mind suffered some of these "damaging effects"
EstrellaPolux 3 weeks ago
@EstrellaPolux So you're only comeback is to admit that the works of LRH do in fact, damage the mind. Well I'm glad you finally agree with me.
I just want you to know my feelings about LRH do not extend to the people who practice his belief system. I'm just unhappy with the "free zone" for perpetuating his crimes. Some free zoners, like Marty Rathbun, just want their own piece of the scam. They know there is a lot of money to be made.
Synth3t1cs 3 weeks ago
@Synth3t1cs yes, and i see that you are admitting that your mind is definetly heavy damaged. So please go to the next psychiatry and get some electro shocks on your brain.......
EstrellaPolux 3 weeks ago
@EstrellaPolux Oh poor Estrella, you just keep responding, as if something about my comments has struck a nerve, and you can't find the right thing to say in response.
I see the "tech" has failed you again.
Synth3t1cs 3 weeks ago
@Synth3t1cs did you got your electro shock today ??? No ? well that´s a very good working "tech", try it ! you´ll see........
EstrellaPolux 3 weeks ago
@EstrellaPolux Instead of trading insults, why don't you just contact me directly? If you have something meaningful to say I would love to hear it.
Strangely enough, one of the things I might share with you is a disdain for the psychiatric profession. Maybe we could find a common ground on that subject?
Synth3t1cs 2 weeks ago
Anonymous remember ? We are gonna Pirate Bay the fuck out of it Beardo.
7stringSupression 2 months ago
Well spoken wise beardo.
LarNor89 2 months ago 3
wow. Mark you have my respect.
InvaderSpliff 2 months ago
Corporate Scientology is beyond hope of repair. It is up to the Independents to rescue the Tech.
Reform Now!
ReformedChurchOfScie 2 months ago
@ReformedChurchOfScie Like any other religion there are schisms. Corporate Scientology might be redeemed if they change their head of office. Or if the free zone Scientologist's form their own official Church. Though much like the protestants were prosecuted by the Catholic Church, we might see something similar no doubt...
Schneboll 2 months ago
Beardo shaking down the zoners for free content for his film.
7stringSupression 2 months ago
@7stringSupression That made me laugh, lol.
terskip 2 months ago
I really want to see this god damn film. Hurry up and give me my film.
the1log 2 months ago
MERRY XMASS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
ducksoup2007 2 months ago
Freezone? Are they still auditing for space cooties? If they are they are not free.
UNIVERSITYHI 2 months ago 5
Nice to see you WBM !!!
ericcartman321 2 months ago
Amazing.
NotSoOldHippy 2 months ago
Mark I don't think you should support "free zoners".
Scientology's "tech" and beliefs are fallacious and damaging whether or not they're paid for or free.
cthun934 2 months ago 50
@cthun934 The same can be said of Christianity, Islam, and all other religions. Targeting one of the many religions out there would be unfair.
paulrules 2 months ago
@paulrules when did I say I was only against scientology? I'm anti-every religion.
cthun934 2 months ago
@cthun934 As am I. Just assume you were targeting Scientology. :P No disagreements here!
paulrules 2 months ago
@cthun934 The freezone has a right to their practices as long as they are not perpetuating the abuses, such as breaking up families, harassing critics and former members, slave labor, locking people up in the RPF, using deception to recruit, etc.
anon8109 2 months ago
@anon8109 he dint say they dint have a right to believe their bullshit, just that he shouldn't be supporting them in their scam.
qarohc 2 months ago
@cthun934 I agree 100%, those that support the beliefs and teaching of LRH are just as bad as the CO$ members that follow DM today. It is the same old load of s__t in a new package
Mark, I ask for you to at least address the abuses to the innocent and weak by LRH when in the company of these so-called "independent" Scientologists,
How should we react if there was a new "independent* Nazi party ?
toucan780 2 months ago
@cthun934 You are missing the point my friend....listen to what WBM says right off the bat. You can believe WHATEVER you want to believe, you just CANNOT act any way you choose. This isn't about support of the freezone, dude....this is about human rights. You point is equally as dogmatic as the ones who he is fighting against. Scientology tech isnt damaging. It's the people who use it incorrectly.
Scientologee 2 months ago
@Scientologee so mind control is not dangerous? If you're a brainwashed cultist how would you even be able to "act normally"? The way a lot of scientologists "act" comes straight from applying the tech, i.e. "handling" critics, bull baiting ,sec checks etc. because this is all part of the tech. So I believe parts of it are indeed damaging, but then again so is smoking cigarettes.
Scientolulz 2 months ago 12
@Scientologee "Scientology tech isn't damaging. It's the people who use it incorrectly." Geez, that kind of naivete is why I don't "support he Freezone" - they're still under the influence of Hubbard's tilt-a-whirl carnival mind-ride.
I won't stop them, but I won't "support" them either.
Hey Scientologee, I like the way you played the "Human Rights" angle - see Ron's Journal 68 - against the other poster's playing of the "anti-religion" angle. Cute.
bogglerful 2 months ago
@bogglerful Maybe I can make it a little easier for you: Is a gun by itself, dangerous? Not until the trigger is pulled. By a person.
Scientologee 2 months ago
the wisdom :O
enuvune 2 months ago
The beard D:
TheBlackmeasa 2 months ago
@TheBlackmeasa His words are WISE His face is BEARD!.
Hence the name WISE BEARD MAN!!!. :D
LordZacknafien 2 months ago
@LordZacknafien But it looks like its trimed back, and as we all know wisdom is stored in the beard!
TheBlackmeasa 2 months ago