A quick look a the Mate desktop "Gnome2" ubuntu 11.10

[JohnWesleyMethodism]

MATE isn't getting much attention. I don't think it's going to last long now that Cinnamon has taken the limelight.

[Laoch111]

What would be the min system requirements for MATE?

[ImageJPEG]

I'm going to give this a try on my Debian box. If this is as good as I think it is, I may ditch Xfce. I hate the new KDE and Gnome 3 :/

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@ImageJPEG I do like Gnome Shell and Unity but I still LOVE my old Gnome 2,, but I do think in time that people are going to pick up the Gnome 3 panel and make it as good or better than the old Gnome 2 panel..

[technoboi0]

The file browser: I don't know any Italian but in Spanish 'Caja' (pronounced 'ca ha') can mean several things (cash,box,casing,housing etc.). However, in this case, it probably means 'shell'.

It's good to know that a few alternatives to Unity are emerging.



[MrMassivemanmeat]

@technoboi0 yeah i'm still hoping that some distro will pick up Gnome3's fall back mode and bring back some of that Gnome2 goodness,lol

[st3w132cki3l]

whats the window theme you're using on your main OS? It looks like ambiance but with the close , mini, and maxi centers removed. I quite like it. It actually makes ambiance look more appealing to me - also MATE is quite incomplete at the moment from what I've read. It's only just getting started really. Will be interesting to see what it develops into.

[st3w132cki3l]

Nevermind I found it from another of your videos! Light Themes Evolved. Thanks! Keep up the awesome videos.

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@st3w132cki3l lol no problem...

[sebbeks]

I've been using XMonad (if you don't know what that is then google it) for the last couple years. What desktop environment are you using outside of your virtual machine? Also you maybe shouldn't mix GNOME 3, Unity, and MATE on the same install.

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@sebbeks gnome 2

[sebbeks]

@MrMassivemanmeat Okay, last time I used GNOME 2 was back in 2007, how did you get the "File, Edit, View..." on your panel? I used to have only Applications and Settings. Thank you in advance.

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@sebbeks ayatana indicators.

[MetalxShredder600]

kool vid man, definatly keep up the good work and making new useful videos

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@MetalxShredder600 thanks ill be making more soon just been biz-e

[roflschofel]

Don't forget Debian Stable.

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@roflschofel thats right and mint debian

[noxified1]

does it worth installing mate enviroment?

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@noxified1 I would wait, or try in a virtualbox.

[noxified1]

@MrMassivemanmeat i cant have 3d effects...

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@noxified1 yes you can but its buggy.

[OmenX13]

Now ive taken the time to learn how best to use unity and gnome 3can't me heading back to gnome 2 anytime soon....

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@MrControl735 yes it will

[blackoutworm]

how are they gonna solve the .gnome2 folder thing, and when you install panel applets from deb files. That's gonna crash if they change the folder names to Mate.

And why can't mint just use Gnome2?

I mean, it still works very nice.

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@blackoutworm lol its a .mate folder now.. hopefully the project picks up some speed and get some things fix and back to the way it used to be,, I wanted t see the Gnome3 fallback be the next Gnome2 when it comes to mods/applets/themes etc. but I read on a few blogs that the fallback mode was only a temporary thing and to be removed. sad... seems to be big mess for every one, gnome2/3,shells , mate, unity. I wounder were we will be this time next year.

[jfost784]

better off with gnome 3 fallback mode/gnome classic i think

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@jfost784 I think Gnome is going to drop the fallback mode some time in the future.

[jfost784]

@MrMassivemanmeat ive been using gnome shell and have been liking it, i just wish that i could use gnome shell with the open source drivers. i have terrible luck with the proprietary drivers

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@jfost784 sounds like you are using an ATI card,if so that's some thing that ati needs to work out with the catalyst,or so I've read.

[triplesquarednine]

@MrMassivemanmeat Ya, they are dropping it, as posted @ Phoronix.com because the LLVMpipe driver can run Gnome-Shell.

All fallback is really, is gnome-panel. GS, Fallback, Unity and any 'custom' gnome3-desktop, someone might be running, really just comes down to what there .session file contains;

/usr/share/gnome-session/sessi­ons

you set what components, you need. ie: WM, file manager, etc and that is what you start into. In the end people will probably maintain gnome-panel (but gnome wont)

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@triplesquarednine I've found a few ppa's on launchpad having to do gtk3 panel or gnome panel,I would still like to see some one take on the fall back mode as a main desktop.

[triplesquarednine]

@MrMassivemanmeat i see what you are saying, but my point was that fallback is nothing more than gnome-panel + nautilus + a window manager, and a few other bits (just like gnome2).

myself, i ditched gnome-panel. I don't use a panel at all. I just cairo-dock (of the left-side), i use it's gtk-menu applet, i use GLX widgets for things like my clock.

Gnome 3 + compiz + cairo-dock.

as for Mate, i think it will die a slow painful death. because gnome2 is deprecated, and gtk3 is where were headed

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@triplesquarednine I know,I was hoping that the mate project would sustain Gnome2 for a for a few year's tell Gnome3 mature's

[blackoutworm]

@jfost784 are you serious?

What can you do in fallback mode?

compiz doesn't work. You can't make any changes to the panel or anything else for that matter.

And right-click doesn't work.

Fallback mode is a joke.

[jfost784]

@blackoutworm well Mate is clearly unusable, and its a mess of gtk2 and gtk3. you can do anything in fallback mode and it has the comfort of the gnome 2 setup. there is metacity compositing, and you can alt + right click to change the panels. oh and yes you can use compiz, watch?v=wLTq7J3URSI

[triplesquarednine]

@blackoutworm what?!? let me correct you on basically everything you are saying here.

1st. Compiz (both 8.8 and 9.+ / git) works fine in Fallback (i've been using it since gnome 3.0 was released, in april.) 2nd. You can make any changes that you want to the panel, it's called use ALT-right-click. you can have applets, etc. just like gnome 2.

[blackoutworm]

@triplesquarednine not in ubuntu 11.10.

You are using compiz, but the desktop crashes if you mess around with the config settings manager.

So you can basically not use it.

[triplesquarednine]

@blackoutworm interesting, one more reason why i don't use Ubuntu, i guess ;)

Which version of compiz crashes? (ie: i could easily see the unity patched version crashing) but if using 'pure compiz' - either 0.8.8 or 0.9.+ it should work just fine (although, i would imagine, one would need to first delete the old (unity) compiz configs - as that might be a problem).

I use Archlinux, compiz works as expected (and there are lots of builds to choose from, including Unity).

[blackoutworm]

@triplesquarednine That explains why you said I was wrong.

Now I use Pinguy OS, because it's still using gnome 2.

[triplesquarednine]

@blackoutworm Technically, you're probably still wrong - as i said above, it's most likely that you are using an Ubuntu patched version of compiz, probably patched for Unity. I bet if you had uninstalled compiz, ditched all of it's files (in the filesystem/home directory) and had installed straight/pure compiz - you would have had no problems, at all. So, 11.10 isn't the problem, it's more likely how your system was setup, and most likely it was extremely easy t fix

[blackoutworm]

@triplesquarednine I don't know about that. I installed ubuntu, compiz config crashed the desktop. And right click didn't work.

I don't know about these technical things. I mean, I could probably fix the problem, but that's really not me. But pinguy works like a charm, so I'm glad with that.

[newuserpointofview]

Seems like a pre-alpha project, and isn't linked officialy to GNOME.org. Frankly, I don't see myself using this. Don't let me wrong, I like Gnome2, but I hate to use independent projects without a lot of support behind it (in this case, a Gnome.org support). I could say for now, I'm prepared to use Unity in 12.04 LTS. Is a lot of change, but the change is inevitable, one hour or other I will have to use it.

[MrMassivemanmeat]

@newuserpointofview It is vary alpha like, To bad ubuntu wont extend Lucid's life from 3 years to 5,,that would have been nice,,I do like unity to a point but this time around with my little old dell 11.10 unity is just slow,I hope to see some options aimed at power user's in the next LTS but at the moment Gnome shell is getting the job done for me on test pc. I would like to see mate make it as a fork, maybe will see a Mabun2 or a Bunmate spin in the future lol