Free will is better then fantasy, but Free Willy was a movie from the 90's. Willie Mays played baseball. Willie Nelson committed tax evasion and tried to get off clear and free. Willie Wright flew the first plane. Uncle Willy makes popcorn and Wilbur was some pig. Frito Lay makes chips and freedom was established in 1776. Lincoln freed the slaves, but Wilson swam away from Tom Hanks, in Cast Away. SO i guess Wilson is free.
This has been another pointless rant, brought to you by milkman!
excellent U2b vid on this subject.. I have to believe there is no such condition as free will, at least for all of us who are born in sin.. although many individuals think within their heart they choose their own destiny it is a thought born out of a prideful ego and can be discerned as such in the light of our heavenly Father.. our conflict will dissolve when we realize that His will must be done so His kingdom will come.
Intrepidman - I would heartily recommend to you a book called "A History Of God" by Karen Armstrong (a former nun, who describes herself as "freelance monotheist"). I'm just reading the last few pages, and the book really gives a good idea of the various ways God has been viewed both in Christianity and Judaism, as well as Islam...
...I think you might enjoy learning a bit about other concepts of God, especially within the Judeo-Christian religion, that are not as anthropomorphic as what I've heard in your ideas so far, as the very anthropomorphic nature of God belief that is dominant in the West is the thing that leads to the abundant contradictions that make the whole belief look so absurd from the "outside".
Hmm, this video really doesn't address what I thought you were planning to address at all - namely the contradiction between omniscience and free will. If God knows all, including precisely how every event in the future will unfold, then future can ONLY unfold in that way which God knows, and has eternally known, it will unfold...
...The existence of perfect knowledge of the future (whether in god's mind or somewhere else), makes absolute, Calvinistic predestination the only view that is possible. If you want to preserve free will, then the future must be unknown not only to us, but FUNDAMENTALLY unknowable...
...Placing God "outside time" does not help to circumvent this problem at all, which I'm sure you will discover for yourself if you thoroughly think it through. This leads to the problem that something has to give - either free will must be dumped as a viable concept, or God must, at best, be aware of all possible futures, but lack the knowledge of which one will actually play out.
...If you have difficulty working out the logic, then consider this scenario: You watch your friend play a hand of poker. Now God, being omniscient, knows exactly what your friend will do - indeed, if he is "outside time" then that "choice" was eternally known to God, and he can simply look at that point in time, like any other point,...
...at any "time" (this is ignoring the fact that without time in which God would act, there would be no such thing as action). So, being also omnipotent, God could easily reveal to you precisely how your friend was going to play the game, before - from your time-bound perspective - the hand was actually played. Now you would know what our friend was going to do...
...Would your friend then have the freedom to do whatever in the next hand? Of course not. He could only do as God always knew him to do, and as you know know he will do. Because if he did otherwise, then God would have been wrong, and clearly that is impossible if God can just look at how future will unfold, just as easily as he can look at how past has unfolded...
...The only way to preserve free will is if the distinction between future and past is real and absolute, a clear distinction where the future is unclear, no matter what your perspective or vantage point. If you want to hang on to terminology, and to free will, then that would at the very least require defining "omniscience" as "possessing all knowledge that is knowable", and defining the future as fundamentally unknowable, and thus uncovered by the term "omniscient".
Bad lighting?
Intrepidman 2 months ago
Why do your videos look like you're sitting in the dark?
DustySpringIII 2 months ago
no.... Your thinking of HYPER calvanisim. Regular calvanisim doesn't deny free will.
totallyturtles 3 years ago
Free will is better then fantasy, but Free Willy was a movie from the 90's. Willie Mays played baseball. Willie Nelson committed tax evasion and tried to get off clear and free. Willie Wright flew the first plane. Uncle Willy makes popcorn and Wilbur was some pig. Frito Lay makes chips and freedom was established in 1776. Lincoln freed the slaves, but Wilson swam away from Tom Hanks, in Cast Away. SO i guess Wilson is free.
This has been another pointless rant, brought to you by milkman!
milkman589 3 years ago
excellent U2b vid on this subject.. I have to believe there is no such condition as free will, at least for all of us who are born in sin.. although many individuals think within their heart they choose their own destiny it is a thought born out of a prideful ego and can be discerned as such in the light of our heavenly Father.. our conflict will dissolve when we realize that His will must be done so His kingdom will come.
Muzaloth 4 years ago
Intrepidman - I would heartily recommend to you a book called "A History Of God" by Karen Armstrong (a former nun, who describes herself as "freelance monotheist"). I'm just reading the last few pages, and the book really gives a good idea of the various ways God has been viewed both in Christianity and Judaism, as well as Islam...
MightyTiny 4 years ago
...I think you might enjoy learning a bit about other concepts of God, especially within the Judeo-Christian religion, that are not as anthropomorphic as what I've heard in your ideas so far, as the very anthropomorphic nature of God belief that is dominant in the West is the thing that leads to the abundant contradictions that make the whole belief look so absurd from the "outside".
MightyTiny 4 years ago
Hmm, this video really doesn't address what I thought you were planning to address at all - namely the contradiction between omniscience and free will. If God knows all, including precisely how every event in the future will unfold, then future can ONLY unfold in that way which God knows, and has eternally known, it will unfold...
MightyTiny 4 years ago
...The existence of perfect knowledge of the future (whether in god's mind or somewhere else), makes absolute, Calvinistic predestination the only view that is possible. If you want to preserve free will, then the future must be unknown not only to us, but FUNDAMENTALLY unknowable...
MightyTiny 4 years ago
...Placing God "outside time" does not help to circumvent this problem at all, which I'm sure you will discover for yourself if you thoroughly think it through. This leads to the problem that something has to give - either free will must be dumped as a viable concept, or God must, at best, be aware of all possible futures, but lack the knowledge of which one will actually play out.
MightyTiny 4 years ago
...If you have difficulty working out the logic, then consider this scenario: You watch your friend play a hand of poker. Now God, being omniscient, knows exactly what your friend will do - indeed, if he is "outside time" then that "choice" was eternally known to God, and he can simply look at that point in time, like any other point,...
MightyTiny 4 years ago
...at any "time" (this is ignoring the fact that without time in which God would act, there would be no such thing as action). So, being also omnipotent, God could easily reveal to you precisely how your friend was going to play the game, before - from your time-bound perspective - the hand was actually played. Now you would know what our friend was going to do...
MightyTiny 4 years ago
...Would your friend then have the freedom to do whatever in the next hand? Of course not. He could only do as God always knew him to do, and as you know know he will do. Because if he did otherwise, then God would have been wrong, and clearly that is impossible if God can just look at how future will unfold, just as easily as he can look at how past has unfolded...
MightyTiny 4 years ago
...The only way to preserve free will is if the distinction between future and past is real and absolute, a clear distinction where the future is unclear, no matter what your perspective or vantage point. If you want to hang on to terminology, and to free will, then that would at the very least require defining "omniscience" as "possessing all knowledge that is knowable", and defining the future as fundamentally unknowable, and thus uncovered by the term "omniscient".
MightyTiny 4 years ago