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seen her in detroit November 2008 and in 1985.. Great show but had to wait 2 hours before she got on stage.. wow I guess she idid this alot on the Sticky and Sweet Tour.. Love Madonna .. but the Wait was worth it..
This is how Madonna REALLY sounds live these days.
The DVD version that will play on UK TV, as one can hear in the clip, is fake -the airbrushed version. If you want to see a real, LIVE Madonna concert, catch her show in Europe.
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She is no where is good as Kylie Minogue live! Kylie can sing way better than this live... And Kylie wears much nicer things on stage too.. Sorry had to be said... Can't wait for Kylies tour of the US in SEPT!
I know! I have tickets to see Kylie in Toronto!! So excited! She can't hold a candle next to Madonna in choreography, but she can sing 2x as well live (partly because she isn't moving around so much)!
I love both Madonna and Kylie -for different reasons. Long live the Queen and Princess!
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I was there. Very next to the stage, hot ticket, gold circle. Flew from Portugal just to see her!!! Amazing Madonna! I've got tickets for Barcelona, 21st July 2009! LONG LIVE MADONNA!
Madonna haters should burn in hell and FUCK OFF CAUSE NOBODY'S GOT HALF HER TALENT, NOT EVEN MILEY FUCKIN' CIRUS!!!! ONLY PEPOLE WHO HATE MADONNA ARE FREAKIN' JOHN MCCAIN LOVERS AND OBAMA HATERS!!
what a surprise that you liked McCain :). Did you happen to like Palin as well? (Madonna said something bad about her so you might want to reconsider).
what do u mean NOBODY has half her talent? What a load of CRAP ..her singing is not that great and as for ACTING, she is so fucking bad, & she looks like Donatella Versace (and that ain't pretty) MADONNA is a piece of SHIT,when is her next BOX OFFICE SMASH movie coming out ? maybe she will get another OSCAR ? ha ha what a joke.
Srsly, why even go to a concert if you don't wanna hear the arist sing? And lip synching? The coolest part of beeing at a consert is to hear that it's real!
Madonna is freakin' awesome live! You guys who not think that are f*ckun' brainless.
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I love Madonna, but her live singing is just terrible.
I would prefer her lip synching in her concerts, 'caseu she is a great show woman, but not a singer and people come to see her and her show, but not to listen her singing.
You know...my quote(s) i have so many, but "It's good to see goodness in bad because it still shows life that can grow out, then badness in goodness which can be in their nature, those people are true weed, and filthy because they lie about who they are all the time" What, i mean is madonna really never has faked at all. It's who she is, madonna her spirit (which brings life)Well.....you just gotta know me...i say off stuff, but i like to share at least something with the world, that i think.
I believe Madonna will have a shift from the capitalistic paradigm. She will give a lot of her money away, yet retaining a sufficient amount. She will further her relationship with the guitar and her lyrics will be imbued with the spirituality and critique of privilege in Ray of Light and American Life. Confession and hard Candy are nothing compared to these albums. As Kushner said "the idea with blood in it."
As a Women's and Gender studies student, the future of the discipline of media studies will need to include a Race, Multiculturalist, Queer, and Feminist critique if it is designed for the future to understand the dynamics of how the media monopoly perpetuates privileged groups who advance in capitalism. The new albums from these artists have critiqued this: Tori Amos, Nine Inch Nails, Bjork, Radiohead, Alanis, and Marilyn Manson.
Smearing my conclusions as "Naive", actually shows your own naivety. Your willingness to accept the dominant culture for what it is. Your experience within the mass sheeple population, herded by the Bankers "the kings" of capitalism. Go ahead eat their grass.
"My Dark Twin, the annihilating Feminine does not need Civilizing, HE stole my Sister Clitorides" -Smokey Joe, Tori Amos
Yes, but you are not understanding why critiques on society and culture, especially highly commercialized representations are the future. The modern critiques of these layers and their adverse affects over the minorities groups that are stereotypes when you consider "La Mestiza" the new culture consciousness.
but it is also a site of intense struggle between different races, classes, gender, and social groups. Thus, in order to fully grasp the nature and effects of media culture, one needs to develop methods to analyze the full range of its meanings and effects.
Furthremore, in an era of globalization, one must be aware of the global networks that produce and distribute cultural in the interests of profit and corporate hegemony. Yet political economy alone does not hold the key to cultural studies and important as it is, it has limitations as a single approach. Some political economy analyses reduce the meanings
and effects of texts to rather circumscribed and reductive ideological functions, arguing that media culture merely reflects the ideology of the ruling economic elite that controls the culture industries and is nothing more than a vehicle for capitalist ideology. It is true that media culture overwhelmingly supports capitalist values,
Looking toward entertainment, one cannot fully grasp the Madonna phenomenon without analyzing her marketing strategies, her political environment, her cultural artifacts, and their effects (Kellner, 1995).
Are you just naive or what? I said it before, MEDIA and ACADEMIC agendas are the results of a "negociation between the several differente layers of society". You just made my point, and proved you didnt understand that I was saying the same thing. That's life. Politics, Economy and Culture are in a game. They're all in the same field battling and negociating with each other. But the difference is that I dont see someone who comes out of it rich (like Madonna) as a negative thing.
In a similar fashion, younger female pop music stars and groups such as Mariah Carey, Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, or NπSync also deploy the tools of the glamour industry and media spectacle to make certain stars icons of fashion, beauty, style, and sexuality, as well as purveyors of music.
nd in appraising the full social impact of pornography, one needs to be aware of the sex industry and the production process of, say, pornographic films, and not just dwell on the texts themselves and their effects on audiences.
I feel did feel utterly horrified when she recounted that she had been raped. I could see the strength in her response. She maintained her Poise. Tori Amos wrote a song on her first album examining her own experience with rape, "Me and a Gun." Alanis has also spoken about her rape and abuse as a teen.I think it is great when artists do not lie about their experiences. It demonstrates the reality of the pervasiveness of this invasive act. Rape has walked hand in hand with the age of imperialism.
And do you want me to feel sorry for you? That's life. Some are poorer, some a richer. I'm not going to become as bitter as you because of the simple fact that some people have more access to things than others. Your discourse about CAPITALISM is so ridiculous, and guess what? You live here! You probably have a nice computer, cable TV, DSL... Bet you're the kind of guy that wears HOLLISTER and shit like that. Sorry, but I cant buy your shit.
No, I do not want sympathy. I do not wear name brands it would go against all my ideologies. The fact that you could reduce a person so such stereotypes shows your own naivety to the queer culture we live in, everyone is different. However, most of the people do not have a voice because they "stratified" layers of capitalism and politics have a special minority designation for them all.
How do you even know I am a guy, seems like Madonna has not taught you much about gender roles or privilege. I was like a lot of kids in high school the one that did not fit into common high school stereotypes. See, those guys were the ones who bullied people like me and there are many of us you might be one to. When you come to such generalizations it is highly ignorant. I could be an intersexual who the medical establishment decided to surgically construct gender on.
You should watch this documentary The Ring of Power. You can stream it right here on youtube. It will give you insight into corrosive dynamics of the global elite, the bankers. The reasons why the christian institution along with others were created to systematically mold a being controlled by institutionalized doctrines. You might recognize this paradigmatic person; its you and me and our friends and our family, the debt slave. The teeth of capitalism make every step harder.
Madonna is such a philosophical spirit isn't she? Much more than Tori Amos, who wove a whole album going through America and chronicling it at a time of mass fear, right?
I don't think so.
Madonna is capitalistic elite.
By the way, before and after Scarlet , shamans and healers of various indigenous tribes came speak with her.
Native American Elders would have much to say to Madonna, or she would have anything to say to them.
Madonna is superfluous in her image and represents "vague" politics and philosophies.
Tori Amos is a brilliant musician; her work surpasses Madonna in innumerable levels: Muhammad my Friend, Bells For Her, Caught A Lite Sneeze, Precious Things, Suede, Indian Summer, God, basically every compositions she has written BY HERSELF. Tori Amos actually can sing; she can belt out with operatic skill.
Its a deal for the few, the rich, the branded. Unlike Radioheads recent end-run around the music industry, which was about getting music from band to fan directly and inexpensively. Madonnas global mega-deal with the nations largest concert promoter, which makes her the first performer signed to the Artist Nation imprint, is all about maximizing revenue streams. Its built on the idea that one of the nations largest corporations can market and sell Madonna in more ways than ever.
Making money out of your work is not wrong. Tori does it. Alanis does it. Even Radiohead. They all make different amount of money in different way, but they are certainly not working for free. You sound pissed because Madonna makes more money them all of them.
Honey, I would not look at them the same way if they did. Tori Amos is comparatively a idytidittibitty dent compared to the Madonna Brand. Don't even get socialists started on Madonna. I will say I look forward to seeing her new film, Roger Ebert thought it was Fab. You should read his review.
"Honey", she sells her albums. Okay, not a lot of people buy them, but she sells them. Madonna does the same. Speaking of film, Madonna first film received mixed reviews, most of them really positive and debuted in ARTSY festivals around the world. Oh, but would probably say she bought them all, right? She paid to have them exhibit? Or maybe she didn't write or direct the movie - she paid someone to do it and she got the credits for it?
Executives valued for their ability to find talented bands, and artists who excel only at music but not glamour will become extinct at this mega-corporation level. Their future will be in smaller niche markets, on smaller labels, which cater to hardcore music fans. Those fans are still out there by the tens of millions, as peer-to-peer file sharing has demonstrated, but the Artist Nation model isnt for them. Its for and about celebrities, and the people who cant get enough of them.
Unlike Radioheads recent end-run around the music industry, which was about getting music from band to fan as directly and inexpensively as possible, Madonnas global mega-deal with the nations largest concert promoter, which makes her the first performer signed to the Artist Nation imprint, is all about maximizing revenue streams. Its built on the idea that one of the nations largest corporations can market and sell Madonna in more ways than ever.
Semiology, is not a word however it coud be more fitting on your own defenses, since they entail reducing Bjork to an image of a destructive woman, and Alanis to an image of a ceaseless blowjob. Similar, if I reduced Madonna to the image of dancing bimbo. None of these images are correct. And, you keep forgetting I love Madonna; I just do not think she her music is an advantageous place for philosophical insight or conscious expansion.
I'm 40 and find her an inspiration on so many levels. It takes discipline for many years to be so talented and be a mom too. She has shaped pop culture like no one else has.
Jealous? If Tori Amos ever started rambling the simplistic writing in a majority of Madonna's songs or gave way to vague politics, as Julie Brown has critiqued Madonna, I would cry. It would be the death of a brilliant mind. The closing of the flood gates of the Goddess.
A queen may be measured by money, however a Goddess is not. I love Madonna completely, however she is not of the same creative realm as Tori Amos or Bjork. Love her, just remember there is only so much money can say.
Really? she is a dancer, not a composer. Tori is one of the top thirty pianists in the world. I love Madonna, but she easily found fame in her early years. Ray of Light was the start of her depthful music. Tori had to break down capitalistic stereotypes. I get your juvenile argument Tori Amos and Bjorks are freaks because there are few stereotypes to associate with powerful women. Madonna has producers, TORI HAS THE POWER OF THE GODDESS!!!
"she easily found fame in her early years", guess anyone would disagree with your statement considering three years playing the drumms and guitar in rock bands such as The Breakfast Club and Emmy and the Emmies. And speaking of powerful women, if you find any woman more powerful than Madonna in the music business both artistically and commercially, you let me know.
Anyway, I have already given you examples of women of higher caliber: Tori Amos, Bjork, Alanis Morissette. You are blind to the breakthroughs these women had to overcome when it comes to the stereotypical view of femininity prescribed by the music industry. And, as I have already stated, artistically, Madonna is not a composer. Just face the frivolousness of most of Madonna's ear candy music. I know its hard once Madonna has been pushed so high upon a pedestal, a capitalistic creation of image.
Madonna doesn't fit any stereotypical model of femininity. Her body (too muscular) and her facial features have never been considered models of feminine beauty.
"Madonna has been pushed so high upon a pedestal, a capitalistic creation of image", no, she made her way to the top herself, no one put her on a pedestal. Bjork explores her image as well as Madonna. Do you think Tori flashes that fire hair for nothing? What about cameo on hit TV shows like SEX & THE CITY? It's all about image.
Madonna does not fit stereotypical models of femininity? Your bias is futile for observation. Tori's hair symbolizes Fire, the awakening of the energy inside yourself. You suggest Tori "flashes" her hair for appeal to capitalistic stereotypes. It is not all about image, maybe to some artists, but we can see this image is not appealed to by Tori since her hair is flashing alongside her fairy dresses or jumpsuits. Tori image is transient and shatters the configured stereotypes of women.
Speaking of being bias and futile: you are the one that didnt understand the clear literal message on Monroe's reference. What about Human Nature? Deeper and Deeper? Like a Prayer? And even 4 Minutes?
While some choose hermetic conceptual videos often empty, Madonna's efforts always provides two paths, you either look at them superficially (like you do) or go into semiology. And again, Madonna has been included as subject and reference in MEDIA STUDIES, not Tori or Bjork.
Madonna is the same as Britney Spears, the Pussycat Dolls or any other frivolous act spat out by the music BUSINESS; She is a product to the corporate owners, executives, and CEOs(INCLUDING HERSELF). THIS product in every instance is popular because it reflects the popular stereotypes controlled by the mass media, which is then translated to the bankers who control everything. So, Madonna is a puppet: commercialized and subservient to the constraints of society.
Saying that "Madonna is the same as Britney Spears, the Pussycat Dolls or any other frivolous act spat out by the music BUSINESS" proves how short your understanding of POP CULTURE is.
POP CULTURE acts and MUSIC are designed to be brief. There is no such thing as a long term carreer in pop music. But Madonna defies that logic. Madonna endures.
Brit has longevity, and it is clear no matter what idiotic stunt she pulls everyone loves her. Honestly, do not ask me why. The unsinkable Brit, she is entirely to marketable to the state of society as a whole. Collectively, pop culture has clung to each frivolous act. Sub-culture is where the meat is, as Kushner said "the idea with Blood in it."
Cyndi, Belinda, Janet, Mariah, Alanis, the Spice Girls, Britney, they all were considered a threaten once, but they were fast replaced by the next. Madonna is the only one who didn't fall. And more than just staying on the spotlight, Madonna is one of the few examples of people who come out of scandals successfully in this puritan nation, besides never having a self-destructive behavior.
Yes, but Alanis' artistic talent is realms higher than all except Cyndi. Cyndi was so much better than Madonna. But, guess who won out in the mass-sheeple consumer, secular, POPULAR market.
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As a student of MEDIA and communicator, I can see how much control over her own image Madonna has. She gives us what she wants and we only think we know something about her. Meanwhile, other pop acts go by (just as Tori and Bjork, who were POP once), Madonna stays where she wants to be, while people like you say she's just a product. Pop products don't last, she does. Luck?
And the funniest thing is: everything goes against her in this puritan-ageist-sexist society. But she is still there.
Honestly, she does not have an artistic craft. Strip away all the production, and its hiding a mediocre talent> She is an amazing dancer.
Tori Amos, as she has critically spoken about, was told "the girl and the piano thing is dead" by the mega level recoding companies, and they would not sign her unless she prescribed to THEIR production constraints. Then, when that did not work, She unleashed Little Earthquakes. Precious Things and Crucify you might like.
I'm not trying to make Madonna seem more intelligent than any of them. Though it is said her IQ is high. I'm talking about RELEVANCE and MEDIA. Madonna is an important SUNJECT on MEDIA STUDIES. And your attempt to diminish this fact by calling it POPULAR MEDIA just shows how shallow you are. It may be POPULAR but it doesn't mean it less substantial. Again: Madonna's work offers two paths.
I think the Madonna brand has very distinctive role in Media Studies. The interests lies in the fact of the Madonna phenomenon that occurred. She is not doing anything Marilyn Manson, Annie Lennox, or Kate Bush did with much higher craft.
And just in case you don't know: it is not capitalism who defines what should be included on academic agenda (especifically on Media Studies): it is the Academics themselves.
Actually, indirectly Capitalism has chosen, because they would not even be studying the image of Madonna, which academic separate from the actual person they do not know, if she had not reached the status of market mega-product, like barbie, which academics have actually compared her to.
I think you are being a little too naive by saying that Capitalism has indirectly chosen the academic agenda.
Actually, society is much more stratified than you think and what really happens is a negociation between all those different social layers. But at the end, the Academics choose what is important to be studied. If things worked the way you say, nobody would ever study Socialism and Comunism. Would Capitalism promote ideals that go against its very core? (Rhetorical question).
I was not being so general; capitalism would never even conceptualize Feminist, Gender, or Queer Theory. But Capitalism is controlled by Fortune 500 companies and control of money means accumulative power by. IT is still in a very imperial state. Especially in the manner that it directly exploits many minorities. At any rate, the mass media is owned and controlled by the elite, which is the substance of Media Studies. I am a queer theorist, and I can seem radical, but that is what is real.
Madonna has already strayed of POP MUSIC, she made RAY OF LIGHT, MUSIC. It's too easy to be POP one day, fail with one album, and suddenly become the queen of underground and keep making albums with no expression in the music business. Madonna can go and come to pop field anythime she wants.
And speaking of not being a composer, let's talk about Bjork - who cannot create a melody for her songs. She writes lines, but doesnt make any music out of it.
Well, firstly, Bjork is so utterly innovative that the complexity of her arrangements cannot even cognitively translate within the mind that has become fixed on simplistic rearrangements of popular melodies.
You dont even know what you are talking about. First of all, arrangements have nothing to do with melody. I can play the same melody (organized rhythm) with different instruments/arrangements. Comparing SWEET INTUITION to BEDTIME STORY is a great example of that. Bjork doesnt sing verses, she utters words and sentences in free lines, rarely sings. Madonna transformed SWEET INTUITION giving melody, music quality.
You are terribly clung to your understanding of words. Arrangements, the specific displacements of a sequence notes, a melody. Like the effect of an arrangement of instruments. The audible experience. Bjork sings, ugh you even have a stereotypical view of what music is, Bjork has melodic constructs in all of her work. honey, Bedtime story is still strictly reflective of the original composition despite the timbres adverse affect on your cognitive allowance.
BTW, Madonna and William Orbit were addressed as the responsible for making techno an emotional type of music. Orbit has been around for years, co has techno. But it took Madonna's contribution to make a difference in how people perceived techno. Her collaboration merged it from underground into mainstream. And that's not easy to do. Actually, like I said before, the easiest thing is the other way around. A great excuse for commercial failure id becoming weird and underground.
Has any of Bjork's collaborations (you know, she doesnt work alone) gotten such attribution? At the end, Bjork is an unstable woman who assaults journalists at airports and makes music using her kitchen glasses. Innovative? No. Different? Yes. As a child, I used my mom's kitchenware to make music too.
Firstly, as I keep restating, I love Madonna too. I really do, even after speaking with you. I do not work on the binaries that have been established in Western culture, and this enables one to have an opinion on something without either loving it or hating it. It is ignorant to do so. I was merely telling people to keep in mind that she should not be the end point on someone's artistic expansion, because there are many other women who have created works that can open one's mind to the universe.
Alanis singing about giving head in theaters opens minds to the universe. It opens other things too. Ignorance is forgetting about Live to tell, LIKE A PRAYER, Sky Fits Heaven, Hey You, Easy Ride. None of the singers you mentioned, Tori, Alanis and Bjork, have gone farther than Madonna in artistic matters. Dont even start talking about artistic expansion. Theatricality, music video, performance, these are all attributes to modern music making and Madonna is the best on this field.
Artistic expression does not meane modes of expression. Tori goes beyond Madonna in expressions of artistic dimension. Tori battled with music studios for years, because they tried to put limits on her creativity. Now, she is independent; I cannot expect you to know or understand the extent to the complexity & brilliance of her work to music as a form of expression not market. Her lyrics have adeptly crafted, becoming subject to academic study. When Madonna is yet a Girl, Tori will be the Elder.
I can see you dont know anything about the battle Madonna has had with Warner over the past eight years towards her albums.
I also understand you are unable to see that Madonna's deal with LIVE NATION gives her total control over her music from now on. Just like what happened to Tori. The difference is, Madonna made a lot more money with this deal than Tori. But hey, that's not wrong. Tori makes money too. She sells her albums. If she werent interested on it, she would be giving them out.
Alanis makes records since she was a teenager, nobody ever heard of her. It took Maverick Records's CEO to sign her and create a campaing to make her famous. BTW, Maverick's CEO at that time was MADONNA.
And come on, Alanis writes adolescent songs. she is so overrated! Giving heads in theaters? WHoa! Not even Madonna wrote a song about it. So cheap and opportunist.
That is a mere lyric within a song, and Alanis has innumerable songs where she explores feministic concepts. Opportunist?, you should be more perspicuous of your assessment of the English language and the placement of words.
Give these songs a whirl, I can assure you Madonna has not had work dealing with these concepts: Babba, Thank You, Flinch, Spineless, Citizen of the Planet, 8 Easy Steps, All I Really Want, and Uninvited a whirl.
To name few songs that go beyond and deeper and clearly you are unable to understand: Live to Tell, Like a Prayer, Sky Fits Heaven, Hey You, Easy Ride (would like to know what you think about the circle), Shanti, Sanctuary and even Get Stupid.
Like I said before: Madonna's efforts always provides two paths, you either look at them superficially (like you do) or go into semiology.
Shanti, Sky Fits Heaven, and Sanctuary are the only songs of that lot that have any sort of dabbling with lyric structure and innovation, however some of the songs are a simple formula, and pointed writing with an optimist overload.
Get Stupid is just ridiculous: frivolous and fickle.
YOU MAY LIKE TORI, ALANIS AND BJORK, BUT SAYING THAT MADONNA FOLLOWS STEREOTYPICAL MODELS PRESCRIBED BY THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS STUPID. IT JUST SHOWS HOW LIMITED YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MUSIC INDUSTRY AND MADONNA'S CARREER IS.
AND ONE MORE PEICE OF INFORMATION, JUST TO NAME FEW:
Honey, she does follow a stereotypical models produced by capitalism. She follows in the lineage of: Marilyn Monroe and Farah Fawcett. And the music industry is not a complex entity to understand. It is not about music, "the music insutry is not about music; it is a place where a woman can make out with a woman, and that can be quite fascinating, but it becomes the biggest thing going on in the "music world"" - Tori Amos. Use examples to support claims instead of claiming ideas "stupid."
Stereotypical model would imply a formulaic copy of something else. The references to Monroe are far beyond copy. The whole idea of Material Girl was the opposite of Diamonds/Girl's best friend. Using a popular iconic image to break the stereotypycal idea of a bimbo is quite smart, actually. I'm sorry you were unable to understand that. Madonna's videos demand a more profound study. That's why MADONNA is the only modern artist included in academic MEDIA STUDIES. Not Bjork or Tori or Alanis.
Honey, Madonna did not write the song Peter Brown and Robert Rans did, and she did not direct the music video Mary Lambert did. So wait, were you defending the corporate product of Madonna or Madonna the person? But wait, if Madonna is selling off of images and relaying output mostly review and constructed by producers, who have considerable influence, and studio specific writers that makes her a stereotyped product, of a mega corp.? An ideal that she herself cannot live up to as a real woman.
So you really think Madonna shows up and does whatever the directors want her to do? Madonna has nothing to do with the concept, pre-production etc. Like you said, "she's a puppet". Maybe that's why her carreer and her accomplishments are so ordin
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My God she sounds horrible live. And people pay good money to see this????
SpazChat 7 months ago
loved it
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0:32 ''humm was great i love her hann'' XD so funny LOL
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entertainingoom 1 year ago
eu fui no show da madonna e vi ela de pertinho brow
3997felipe 1 year ago
seen her in detroit November 2008 and in 1985.. Great show but had to wait 2 hours before she got on stage.. wow I guess she idid this alot on the Sticky and Sweet Tour.. Love Madonna .. but the Wait was worth it..
alaskanmal63 1 year ago
So, like, when did she decide boring is better?
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stupid old slut!
Gaga4president 1 year ago
@Gaga4president YOUR JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE SHE LOOKS BETTTTTER THEN YOUUU bitchh!! :D
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Gaga4president 1 year ago
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gaga9585 1 year ago
madonna po za tym,że robi show na scenie to nic więcej nie robi. no i fałsz.
anikaem1 1 year ago
DANCE MUSIC of MADONNA LIVE by PIANO TEACHER !
LiveDJFlo 1 year ago
MADONNA THE QUEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vissiguy 1 year ago
WISH I WAS MADONNA MUSIC VIDEO by CARDONA ! CHECK IT OUT!!!
412aztec 1 year ago
At least Whores get PAID & LaiD.
TheSasha1111 1 year ago
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MegaAl2112 1 year ago
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stinky & shitting is aready a big flop this whore is making history as the biggest flop in music history.
CUNTdonna IS OVER DEAL WIT IT.
WHOREDONNA 1 year ago
@WHOREDONNA Whores Get Paid & Laid....So don't Be Jealous Darling...I hope UR not masturbating in your mothers basement ...Again!!!
TheSasha1111 1 year ago
@WHOREDONNA I don't think it's making history as the "biggest flop" considering it is the highest grossing tour by a solo artist :)
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sticky & shitty the biggest floooping in history of music THIS WHORE IS OVER.
WHOREDONNA 1 year ago
Get the Sticky & Sweet DVD now!
roncerod 1 year ago
lady gaga is madonna
madonna is lady gaga
mathozero 1 year ago
I was in her concert, she is a great artist and she gives her all on stage! I love you, Madonna!
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Madonna is the best! Fuk you all! Yeah motherfuckers! Madonna...
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WHOREDONNA OLD WHORE
WHOREDONNA 1 year ago
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WHOREDONNA IS A DISGUSTING WHORE
WHOREDONNA 1 year ago
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This is better...Youtube-"LADY GAGA -Revealing costume."FLAPS".....awesome!
SuzieQfan1 1 year ago
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Hi, take a listen to my new dance music.
watch?v=9DoFzRLrbW4
Vicious Cycle
Rusetones 2 years ago
I make a BET with my friend.
I win if Madonna spend night with me!
My friend say, Madonna never want to spend night with me!
quess how i try?
lets chevk out my Etimespace videos!
Hello Madonna, how universe working!
Hello Madonna 2, We are one!
LOVE.
Etimespace 2 years ago
i admire madonna,she push all her way through her career and and great performer.
linda2894 2 years ago 5
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madonna is a bitch of music, no talent, and his videos suck, CONCERT SUCK, VOISE SUCKS, ASKEROSA JAJAJ
CHERADICTO 2 years ago
his?
Dystymia 2 years ago
I was in her concert in poland 15 august one day before the bih day her birthday
it was one of my best times in my life
She is real diva,she is beutiful and great
undertakertexas 2 years ago 15
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Horrible performance....She just prove to me that everyone already knew...that she can not sing. Maybe because she just turned 60.
vford43 2 years ago
Madonna é a rainha da musica pra sempre sempre e sempre!
mrluizphellippe 2 years ago
Я люблю МАДОННУ!!!!!!
oka10101972 2 years ago 4
What song is that on the last part?
could somebody answer me?
thanx.
heavypopbeat13 2 years ago
into the groove that is how the song is named
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stacilx1 2 years ago
im very hungry consume her music candy
makepeaceful 2 years ago
This is how Madonna REALLY sounds live these days.
The DVD version that will play on UK TV, as one can hear in the clip, is fake -the airbrushed version. If you want to see a real, LIVE Madonna concert, catch her show in Europe.
rockonmadonna 2 years ago
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this sounds really bad..I mean come on people listen to it!!! really bad!!
velezredaarmy 2 years ago
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She is no where is good as Kylie Minogue live! Kylie can sing way better than this live... And Kylie wears much nicer things on stage too.. Sorry had to be said... Can't wait for Kylies tour of the US in SEPT!
nzkylie 2 years ago
I agree with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zonty13 2 years ago
I know! I have tickets to see Kylie in Toronto!! So excited! She can't hold a candle next to Madonna in choreography, but she can sing 2x as well live (partly because she isn't moving around so much)!
I love both Madonna and Kylie -for different reasons. Long live the Queen and Princess!
rockonmadonna 2 years ago
She sings live right?
Madonna is the best !!!!!!!
shakazulushaka 2 years ago 2
Yep she does.
Her perf on Candy Shop is not great cause it's not made for her voice. But the rest... wooooaw ! (Except Human Nature too I think)
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bellebelle5 2 years ago
I was there. Very next to the stage, hot ticket, gold circle. Flew from Portugal just to see her!!! Amazing Madonna! I've got tickets for Barcelona, 21st July 2009! LONG LIVE MADONNA!
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aptpupil77 2 years ago
long live are queen
gijade1872 2 years ago
I'm proud to say the guy speaking 30 seconds in is our friend! lol
urbankate 2 years ago
DJ Enferno was a great choice of madonna.
Radro 2 years ago
Queen of music!!
djanlm 2 years ago 3
omg maddona wears fur she steals other animals fur sick
puppyhead10 2 years ago
Madonna haters should burn in hell and FUCK OFF CAUSE NOBODY'S GOT HALF HER TALENT, NOT EVEN MILEY FUCKIN' CIRUS!!!! ONLY PEPOLE WHO HATE MADONNA ARE FREAKIN' JOHN MCCAIN LOVERS AND OBAMA HATERS!!
ogosh25 2 years ago
McCain was so much better than Obama! But I don't say Madonna is shit!!! She is great!! In fact I'm gonna see her in Tallinn!
alovalge 2 years ago
what a surprise that you liked McCain :). Did you happen to like Palin as well? (Madonna said something bad about her so you might want to reconsider).
Good luck.
25121825 2 years ago
Actually... People should not mix politics and music
alovalge 2 years ago
what do u mean NOBODY has half her talent? What a load of CRAP ..her singing is not that great and as for ACTING, she is so fucking bad, & she looks like Donatella Versace (and that ain't pretty) MADONNA is a piece of SHIT,when is her next BOX OFFICE SMASH movie coming out ? maybe she will get another OSCAR ? ha ha what a joke.
PirateSkip4 2 years ago
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hello madonna you stink i hate you your a big great strumpet
SzemmProductieNL 2 years ago
EVRUSSTV:
You gotta be kidding me..
Srsly, why even go to a concert if you don't wanna hear the arist sing? And lip synching? The coolest part of beeing at a consert is to hear that it's real!
Madonna is freakin' awesome live! You guys who not think that are f*ckun' brainless.
itsrobinbitch 2 years ago 3
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so bad !!
A05667948 3 years ago
0:06 what a bender
jakeboi 3 years ago
haha ino :')
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djfever23 3 years ago
LOOK AT MADONNA'S RELIGION::::::::::
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benaliparis 3 years ago
Toop Toop Groove rocks!
LocksAndChains 3 years ago
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Kylie and Britney use to have much better concert, sorry :P
PaweleczekBS 3 years ago
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Celine Dion gave a better concert, sorry
lcd2201 3 years ago
I love Madonna, but her live singing is just terrible.
I would prefer her lip synching in her concerts, 'caseu she is a great show woman, but not a singer and people come to see her and her show, but not to listen her singing.
EVRUSSTV 3 years ago
I agree!!!!!!!!!
falladina1 2 years ago
the best of all time
makakgrea 3 years ago 3
shes the best of all time.
atsykes123 3 years ago
You know...my quote(s) i have so many, but "It's good to see goodness in bad because it still shows life that can grow out, then badness in goodness which can be in their nature, those people are true weed, and filthy because they lie about who they are all the time" What, i mean is madonna really never has faked at all. It's who she is, madonna her spirit (which brings life)Well.....you just gotta know me...i say off stuff, but i like to share at least something with the world, that i think.
mattmcconathy 3 years ago
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Dear oh dear OLD dear. Put it away Grandma Madge! You're far too old for that crap nowdays!
cam230723 3 years ago
yea the fuck right!!! Madonna can do whatever she wants and her millions of fans love her for that! DONT HATE!
Hyp3boi 3 years ago 5
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U,u,u, Maddie...What happened to your voice here???? And you're so bloody thin....Geeeee....
Anglofreak666 3 years ago
cool keith haring's videowall. so borderline. so pop.
supergiba 3 years ago 2
kool madonna is great i think tahat this concert maybe can be her next DvD BECAUSE it was in london and ot look like it was recording professionally
mariconasona 3 years ago
she recorded the sticky and sweet tour in buenos aires
Flom519 3 years ago
Foro sol 29 de nov. pltaino 4 accesible, enviame un mensaje, ultima oportunidad
ceolbe 3 years ago
I believe Madonna will have a shift from the capitalistic paradigm. She will give a lot of her money away, yet retaining a sufficient amount. She will further her relationship with the guitar and her lyrics will be imbued with the spirituality and critique of privilege in Ray of Light and American Life. Confession and hard Candy are nothing compared to these albums. As Kushner said "the idea with blood in it."
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago 3
As a Women's and Gender studies student, the future of the discipline of media studies will need to include a Race, Multiculturalist, Queer, and Feminist critique if it is designed for the future to understand the dynamics of how the media monopoly perpetuates privileged groups who advance in capitalism. The new albums from these artists have critiqued this: Tori Amos, Nine Inch Nails, Bjork, Radiohead, Alanis, and Marilyn Manson.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Smearing my conclusions as "Naive", actually shows your own naivety. Your willingness to accept the dominant culture for what it is. Your experience within the mass sheeple population, herded by the Bankers "the kings" of capitalism. Go ahead eat their grass.
"My Dark Twin, the annihilating Feminine does not need Civilizing, HE stole my Sister Clitorides" -Smokey Joe, Tori Amos
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Yes, but you are not understanding why critiques on society and culture, especially highly commercialized representations are the future. The modern critiques of these layers and their adverse affects over the minorities groups that are stereotypes when you consider "La Mestiza" the new culture consciousness.
WATCH THE RING OF POWER DOCUMENTARY.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
but it is also a site of intense struggle between different races, classes, gender, and social groups. Thus, in order to fully grasp the nature and effects of media culture, one needs to develop methods to analyze the full range of its meanings and effects.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Furthremore, in an era of globalization, one must be aware of the global networks that produce and distribute cultural in the interests of profit and corporate hegemony. Yet political economy alone does not hold the key to cultural studies and important as it is, it has limitations as a single approach. Some political economy analyses reduce the meanings
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
and effects of texts to rather circumscribed and reductive ideological functions, arguing that media culture merely reflects the ideology of the ruling economic elite that controls the culture industries and is nothing more than a vehicle for capitalist ideology. It is true that media culture overwhelmingly supports capitalist values,
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Looking toward entertainment, one cannot fully grasp the Madonna phenomenon without analyzing her marketing strategies, her political environment, her cultural artifacts, and their effects (Kellner, 1995).
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Are you just naive or what? I said it before, MEDIA and ACADEMIC agendas are the results of a "negociation between the several differente layers of society". You just made my point, and proved you didnt understand that I was saying the same thing. That's life. Politics, Economy and Culture are in a game. They're all in the same field battling and negociating with each other. But the difference is that I dont see someone who comes out of it rich (like Madonna) as a negative thing.
bhindex 3 years ago
In a similar fashion, younger female pop music stars and groups such as Mariah Carey, Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, or NπSync also deploy the tools of the glamour industry and media spectacle to make certain stars icons of fashion, beauty, style, and sexuality, as well as purveyors of music.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
nd in appraising the full social impact of pornography, one needs to be aware of the sex industry and the production process of, say, pornographic films, and not just dwell on the texts themselves and their effects on audiences.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
I feel did feel utterly horrified when she recounted that she had been raped. I could see the strength in her response. She maintained her Poise. Tori Amos wrote a song on her first album examining her own experience with rape, "Me and a Gun." Alanis has also spoken about her rape and abuse as a teen.I think it is great when artists do not lie about their experiences. It demonstrates the reality of the pervasiveness of this invasive act. Rape has walked hand in hand with the age of imperialism.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
The ticket prices are exceedingly high, compared to her profits. That's why I could not see her live when I was younger.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
And do you want me to feel sorry for you? That's life. Some are poorer, some a richer. I'm not going to become as bitter as you because of the simple fact that some people have more access to things than others. Your discourse about CAPITALISM is so ridiculous, and guess what? You live here! You probably have a nice computer, cable TV, DSL... Bet you're the kind of guy that wears HOLLISTER and shit like that. Sorry, but I cant buy your shit.
bhindex 3 years ago
No, I do not want sympathy. I do not wear name brands it would go against all my ideologies. The fact that you could reduce a person so such stereotypes shows your own naivety to the queer culture we live in, everyone is different. However, most of the people do not have a voice because they "stratified" layers of capitalism and politics have a special minority designation for them all.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
How do you even know I am a guy, seems like Madonna has not taught you much about gender roles or privilege. I was like a lot of kids in high school the one that did not fit into common high school stereotypes. See, those guys were the ones who bullied people like me and there are many of us you might be one to. When you come to such generalizations it is highly ignorant. I could be an intersexual who the medical establishment decided to surgically construct gender on.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Apparently Jessica Simpson has an IQ of 106.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
I mean her mother said 160.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
You should watch this documentary The Ring of Power. You can stream it right here on youtube. It will give you insight into corrosive dynamics of the global elite, the bankers. The reasons why the christian institution along with others were created to systematically mold a being controlled by institutionalized doctrines. You might recognize this paradigmatic person; its you and me and our friends and our family, the debt slave. The teeth of capitalism make every step harder.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Look I'm standing Naked before you,
Don't you want more than my sex,
I can scream as loud as your last one,
but I can't claim innocence,
Oh god, could it be the weather,
Oh god, why am I here,
If love isn't forever,
And it's not the weather,
Hand me my Leather...
-Tori Amos, "Leather"
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Madonna is such a philosophical spirit isn't she? Much more than Tori Amos, who wove a whole album going through America and chronicling it at a time of mass fear, right?
I don't think so.
Madonna is capitalistic elite.
By the way, before and after Scarlet , shamans and healers of various indigenous tribes came speak with her.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Native American Elders would have much to say to Madonna, or she would have anything to say to them.
Madonna is superfluous in her image and represents "vague" politics and philosophies.
Tori Amos is a brilliant musician; her work surpasses Madonna in innumerable levels: Muhammad my Friend, Bells For Her, Caught A Lite Sneeze, Precious Things, Suede, Indian Summer, God, basically every compositions she has written BY HERSELF. Tori Amos actually can sing; she can belt out with operatic skill.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Its a deal for the few, the rich, the branded. Unlike Radioheads recent end-run around the music industry, which was about getting music from band to fan directly and inexpensively. Madonnas global mega-deal with the nations largest concert promoter, which makes her the first performer signed to the Artist Nation imprint, is all about maximizing revenue streams. Its built on the idea that one of the nations largest corporations can market and sell Madonna in more ways than ever.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Making money out of your work is not wrong. Tori does it. Alanis does it. Even Radiohead. They all make different amount of money in different way, but they are certainly not working for free. You sound pissed because Madonna makes more money them all of them.
bhindex 3 years ago
Honey, I would not look at them the same way if they did. Tori Amos is comparatively a idytidittibitty dent compared to the Madonna Brand. Don't even get socialists started on Madonna. I will say I look forward to seeing her new film, Roger Ebert thought it was Fab. You should read his review.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
"Honey", she sells her albums. Okay, not a lot of people buy them, but she sells them. Madonna does the same. Speaking of film, Madonna first film received mixed reviews, most of them really positive and debuted in ARTSY festivals around the world. Oh, but would probably say she bought them all, right? She paid to have them exhibit? Or maybe she didn't write or direct the movie - she paid someone to do it and she got the credits for it?
bhindex 3 years ago
Executives valued for their ability to find talented bands, and artists who excel only at music but not glamour will become extinct at this mega-corporation level. Their future will be in smaller niche markets, on smaller labels, which cater to hardcore music fans. Those fans are still out there by the tens of millions, as peer-to-peer file sharing has demonstrated, but the Artist Nation model isnt for them. Its for and about celebrities, and the people who cant get enough of them.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Unlike Radioheads recent end-run around the music industry, which was about getting music from band to fan as directly and inexpensively as possible, Madonnas global mega-deal with the nations largest concert promoter, which makes her the first performer signed to the Artist Nation imprint, is all about maximizing revenue streams. Its built on the idea that one of the nations largest corporations can market and sell Madonna in more ways than ever.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
does anyone know what happen to cloud?
hardcandy505 3 years ago
Madonna's efforts always provides two paths, you either look at them superficially (like you do) or go into semiology
bhindex 3 years ago
Semiology, is not a word however it coud be more fitting on your own defenses, since they entail reducing Bjork to an image of a destructive woman, and Alanis to an image of a ceaseless blowjob. Similar, if I reduced Madonna to the image of dancing bimbo. None of these images are correct. And, you keep forgetting I love Madonna; I just do not think she her music is an advantageous place for philosophical insight or conscious expansion.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
I'm still mesmerized by this statement: "Semiology, is not a word...".
Like, WHAT?
bhindex 3 years ago
I'm 40 and find her an inspiration on so many levels. It takes discipline for many years to be so talented and be a mom too. She has shaped pop culture like no one else has.
catnip454 3 years ago
A 50 year old woman dancing like that? Pop music really is for the lowest common denominator. The singing is brutal; the music is very boring.
transhuman7 3 years ago
Jealous?
Who's on the top?
Who's got energy enough to do so?
Who is on the top 5 best selling albums of 2008?
You? Your mom? Your grandmother?
Like Pharrel says: M, A, D, O, N, N, A.
bhindex 3 years ago
Jealous? If Tori Amos ever started rambling the simplistic writing in a majority of Madonna's songs or gave way to vague politics, as Julie Brown has critiqued Madonna, I would cry. It would be the death of a brilliant mind. The closing of the flood gates of the Goddess.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
In less than 10 years a free bus pass will be all hers. Way to go Grandma!
cam230723 3 years ago
bitch can't sing, she would fail X Factor!
...T
prendevillet 3 years ago
yes, cause the x factor is such a GREAAAAAAAAT judge of talent.
wanker
findjustin 3 years ago
Without question Madonna is still the Queen of Pop. Long live the Queen
talexal 3 years ago
Oh, I bet you'll be saying that in accords with Elizabeth II too.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
A queen may be measured by money, however a Goddess is not. I love Madonna completely, however she is not of the same creative realm as Tori Amos or Bjork. Love her, just remember there is only so much money can say.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Sorry, but Madonna is way more creative than Bjork and Tori Amos. Those two are just two freaks, though, sometimes, they make good music.
bhindex 3 years ago
Really? she is a dancer, not a composer. Tori is one of the top thirty pianists in the world. I love Madonna, but she easily found fame in her early years. Ray of Light was the start of her depthful music. Tori had to break down capitalistic stereotypes. I get your juvenile argument Tori Amos and Bjorks are freaks because there are few stereotypes to associate with powerful women. Madonna has producers, TORI HAS THE POWER OF THE GODDESS!!!
"Father Lucifer you never looked so sane"
-Tori Amos
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
"she easily found fame in her early years", guess anyone would disagree with your statement considering three years playing the drumms and guitar in rock bands such as The Breakfast Club and Emmy and the Emmies. And speaking of powerful women, if you find any woman more powerful than Madonna in the music business both artistically and commercially, you let me know.
bhindex 3 years ago
Anyway, I have already given you examples of women of higher caliber: Tori Amos, Bjork, Alanis Morissette. You are blind to the breakthroughs these women had to overcome when it comes to the stereotypical view of femininity prescribed by the music industry. And, as I have already stated, artistically, Madonna is not a composer. Just face the frivolousness of most of Madonna's ear candy music. I know its hard once Madonna has been pushed so high upon a pedestal, a capitalistic creation of image.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Madonna doesn't fit any stereotypical model of femininity. Her body (too muscular) and her facial features have never been considered models of feminine beauty.
"Madonna has been pushed so high upon a pedestal, a capitalistic creation of image", no, she made her way to the top herself, no one put her on a pedestal. Bjork explores her image as well as Madonna. Do you think Tori flashes that fire hair for nothing? What about cameo on hit TV shows like SEX & THE CITY? It's all about image.
bhindex 3 years ago
Madonna does not fit stereotypical models of femininity? Your bias is futile for observation. Tori's hair symbolizes Fire, the awakening of the energy inside yourself. You suggest Tori "flashes" her hair for appeal to capitalistic stereotypes. It is not all about image, maybe to some artists, but we can see this image is not appealed to by Tori since her hair is flashing alongside her fairy dresses or jumpsuits. Tori image is transient and shatters the configured stereotypes of women.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Speaking of being bias and futile: you are the one that didnt understand the clear literal message on Monroe's reference. What about Human Nature? Deeper and Deeper? Like a Prayer? And even 4 Minutes?
While some choose hermetic conceptual videos often empty, Madonna's efforts always provides two paths, you either look at them superficially (like you do) or go into semiology. And again, Madonna has been included as subject and reference in MEDIA STUDIES, not Tori or Bjork.
bhindex 3 years ago
And why do think she's make a good study in media, popular media, images that are designed to bombard the public. YEA PROPAGANDA!!!
I mean utterly many people would laugh at your attempt to make Madonna even seem more intelligent than Tori Amos, Bjork, or even Alanis
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Madonna is the same as Britney Spears, the Pussycat Dolls or any other frivolous act spat out by the music BUSINESS; She is a product to the corporate owners, executives, and CEOs(INCLUDING HERSELF). THIS product in every instance is popular because it reflects the popular stereotypes controlled by the mass media, which is then translated to the bankers who control everything. So, Madonna is a puppet: commercialized and subservient to the constraints of society.
Madonna's avid fans seem... well
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Saying that "Madonna is the same as Britney Spears, the Pussycat Dolls or any other frivolous act spat out by the music BUSINESS" proves how short your understanding of POP CULTURE is.
POP CULTURE acts and MUSIC are designed to be brief. There is no such thing as a long term carreer in pop music. But Madonna defies that logic. Madonna endures.
bhindex 3 years ago
Brit has longevity, and it is clear no matter what idiotic stunt she pulls everyone loves her. Honestly, do not ask me why. The unsinkable Brit, she is entirely to marketable to the state of society as a whole. Collectively, pop culture has clung to each frivolous act. Sub-culture is where the meat is, as Kushner said "the idea with Blood in it."
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Cyndi, Belinda, Janet, Mariah, Alanis, the Spice Girls, Britney, they all were considered a threaten once, but they were fast replaced by the next. Madonna is the only one who didn't fall. And more than just staying on the spotlight, Madonna is one of the few examples of people who come out of scandals successfully in this puritan nation, besides never having a self-destructive behavior.
bhindex 3 years ago
Yes, but Alanis' artistic talent is realms higher than all except Cyndi. Cyndi was so much better than Madonna. But, guess who won out in the mass-sheeple consumer, secular, POPULAR market.
"Auditioning for Reptiles in their Raquel Welsh Campaign
In the Glories of the Eighties
You said 'I'm not afraid to die'
I don't find that remotely funny
Even on this space cake high"
Glory of the 80's
Tori Amos
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
As a student of MEDIA and communicator, I can see how much control over her own image Madonna has. She gives us what she wants and we only think we know something about her. Meanwhile, other pop acts go by (just as Tori and Bjork, who were POP once), Madonna stays where she wants to be, while people like you say she's just a product. Pop products don't last, she does. Luck?
And the funniest thing is: everything goes against her in this puritan-ageist-sexist society. But she is still there.
bhindex 3 years ago
I am not against her; I like her.
Honestly, she does not have an artistic craft. Strip away all the production, and its hiding a mediocre talent> She is an amazing dancer.
Tori Amos, as she has critically spoken about, was told "the girl and the piano thing is dead" by the mega level recoding companies, and they would not sign her unless she prescribed to THEIR production constraints. Then, when that did not work, She unleashed Little Earthquakes. Precious Things and Crucify you might like.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
I'm not trying to make Madonna seem more intelligent than any of them. Though it is said her IQ is high. I'm talking about RELEVANCE and MEDIA. Madonna is an important SUNJECT on MEDIA STUDIES. And your attempt to diminish this fact by calling it POPULAR MEDIA just shows how shallow you are. It may be POPULAR but it doesn't mean it less substantial. Again: Madonna's work offers two paths.
bhindex 3 years ago
I think the Madonna brand has very distinctive role in Media Studies. The interests lies in the fact of the Madonna phenomenon that occurred. She is not doing anything Marilyn Manson, Annie Lennox, or Kate Bush did with much higher craft.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
And just in case you don't know: it is not capitalism who defines what should be included on academic agenda (especifically on Media Studies): it is the Academics themselves.
bhindex 3 years ago
Actually, indirectly Capitalism has chosen, because they would not even be studying the image of Madonna, which academic separate from the actual person they do not know, if she had not reached the status of market mega-product, like barbie, which academics have actually compared her to.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
I think you are being a little too naive by saying that Capitalism has indirectly chosen the academic agenda.
Actually, society is much more stratified than you think and what really happens is a negociation between all those different social layers. But at the end, the Academics choose what is important to be studied. If things worked the way you say, nobody would ever study Socialism and Comunism. Would Capitalism promote ideals that go against its very core? (Rhetorical question).
bhindex 3 years ago
I was not being so general; capitalism would never even conceptualize Feminist, Gender, or Queer Theory. But Capitalism is controlled by Fortune 500 companies and control of money means accumulative power by. IT is still in a very imperial state. Especially in the manner that it directly exploits many minorities. At any rate, the mass media is owned and controlled by the elite, which is the substance of Media Studies. I am a queer theorist, and I can seem radical, but that is what is real.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Madonna has already strayed of POP MUSIC, she made RAY OF LIGHT, MUSIC. It's too easy to be POP one day, fail with one album, and suddenly become the queen of underground and keep making albums with no expression in the music business. Madonna can go and come to pop field anythime she wants.
And speaking of not being a composer, let's talk about Bjork - who cannot create a melody for her songs. She writes lines, but doesnt make any music out of it.
bhindex 3 years ago
Well, firstly, Bjork is so utterly innovative that the complexity of her arrangements cannot even cognitively translate within the mind that has become fixed on simplistic rearrangements of popular melodies.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
You dont even know what you are talking about. First of all, arrangements have nothing to do with melody. I can play the same melody (organized rhythm) with different instruments/arrangements. Comparing SWEET INTUITION to BEDTIME STORY is a great example of that. Bjork doesnt sing verses, she utters words and sentences in free lines, rarely sings. Madonna transformed SWEET INTUITION giving melody, music quality.
bhindex 3 years ago
You are terribly clung to your understanding of words. Arrangements, the specific displacements of a sequence notes, a melody. Like the effect of an arrangement of instruments. The audible experience. Bjork sings, ugh you even have a stereotypical view of what music is, Bjork has melodic constructs in all of her work. honey, Bedtime story is still strictly reflective of the original composition despite the timbres adverse affect on your cognitive allowance.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
BTW, Madonna and William Orbit were addressed as the responsible for making techno an emotional type of music. Orbit has been around for years, co has techno. But it took Madonna's contribution to make a difference in how people perceived techno. Her collaboration merged it from underground into mainstream. And that's not easy to do. Actually, like I said before, the easiest thing is the other way around. A great excuse for commercial failure id becoming weird and underground.
bhindex 3 years ago
Has any of Bjork's collaborations (you know, she doesnt work alone) gotten such attribution? At the end, Bjork is an unstable woman who assaults journalists at airports and makes music using her kitchen glasses. Innovative? No. Different? Yes. As a child, I used my mom's kitchenware to make music too.
bhindex 3 years ago
Lets's see SWEET INTUITION. Bjork gave it to Madonna, and MADONNA rearranged the lines, added her own lyrics and made BEDTIME STORY.
It's good to listen to both because then you SWEET INTUITION: no melody, no music, and a little cheesy/trashy (fuck logic?).
BEDTIME STORY: has melody and is more intelligent, intuition as unconsciousness.
Tori said she loves Madonna and she's always playing a song by Madonna, LIVE TO TELL. I guess good musicians dont admire bad musicians.
bhindex 3 years ago
Firstly, as I keep restating, I love Madonna too. I really do, even after speaking with you. I do not work on the binaries that have been established in Western culture, and this enables one to have an opinion on something without either loving it or hating it. It is ignorant to do so. I was merely telling people to keep in mind that she should not be the end point on someone's artistic expansion, because there are many other women who have created works that can open one's mind to the universe.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Alanis singing about giving head in theaters opens minds to the universe. It opens other things too. Ignorance is forgetting about Live to tell, LIKE A PRAYER, Sky Fits Heaven, Hey You, Easy Ride. None of the singers you mentioned, Tori, Alanis and Bjork, have gone farther than Madonna in artistic matters. Dont even start talking about artistic expansion. Theatricality, music video, performance, these are all attributes to modern music making and Madonna is the best on this field.
bhindex 3 years ago
Artistic expression does not meane modes of expression. Tori goes beyond Madonna in expressions of artistic dimension. Tori battled with music studios for years, because they tried to put limits on her creativity. Now, she is independent; I cannot expect you to know or understand the extent to the complexity & brilliance of her work to music as a form of expression not market. Her lyrics have adeptly crafted, becoming subject to academic study. When Madonna is yet a Girl, Tori will be the Elder.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
I can see you dont know anything about the battle Madonna has had with Warner over the past eight years towards her albums.
I also understand you are unable to see that Madonna's deal with LIVE NATION gives her total control over her music from now on. Just like what happened to Tori. The difference is, Madonna made a lot more money with this deal than Tori. But hey, that's not wrong. Tori makes money too. She sells her albums. If she werent interested on it, she would be giving them out.
bhindex 3 years ago
Alanis makes records since she was a teenager, nobody ever heard of her. It took Maverick Records's CEO to sign her and create a campaing to make her famous. BTW, Maverick's CEO at that time was MADONNA.
And come on, Alanis writes adolescent songs. she is so overrated! Giving heads in theaters? WHoa! Not even Madonna wrote a song about it. So cheap and opportunist.
bhindex 3 years ago
That is a mere lyric within a song, and Alanis has innumerable songs where she explores feministic concepts. Opportunist?, you should be more perspicuous of your assessment of the English language and the placement of words.
Give these songs a whirl, I can assure you Madonna has not had work dealing with these concepts: Babba, Thank You, Flinch, Spineless, Citizen of the Planet, 8 Easy Steps, All I Really Want, and Uninvited a whirl.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
To name few songs that go beyond and deeper and clearly you are unable to understand: Live to Tell, Like a Prayer, Sky Fits Heaven, Hey You, Easy Ride (would like to know what you think about the circle), Shanti, Sanctuary and even Get Stupid.
Like I said before: Madonna's efforts always provides two paths, you either look at them superficially (like you do) or go into semiology.
bhindex 3 years ago
Shanti, Sky Fits Heaven, and Sanctuary are the only songs of that lot that have any sort of dabbling with lyric structure and innovation, however some of the songs are a simple formula, and pointed writing with an optimist overload.
Get Stupid is just ridiculous: frivolous and fickle.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
YOU MAY LIKE TORI, ALANIS AND BJORK, BUT SAYING THAT MADONNA FOLLOWS STEREOTYPICAL MODELS PRESCRIBED BY THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS STUPID. IT JUST SHOWS HOW LIMITED YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MUSIC INDUSTRY AND MADONNA'S CARREER IS.
AND ONE MORE PEICE OF INFORMATION, JUST TO NAME FEW:
Lucky Star: Composed by Madonna (and nobody else)
Everybody: Composed by Madonna (and nobody else)
Gambler: Composed by Madonna (and nobody else)
I Know it: Composed by Madonna (and nobody else).
bhindex 3 years ago
Honey, she does follow a stereotypical models produced by capitalism. She follows in the lineage of: Marilyn Monroe and Farah Fawcett. And the music industry is not a complex entity to understand. It is not about music, "the music insutry is not about music; it is a place where a woman can make out with a woman, and that can be quite fascinating, but it becomes the biggest thing going on in the "music world"" - Tori Amos. Use examples to support claims instead of claiming ideas "stupid."
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
Stereotypical model would imply a formulaic copy of something else. The references to Monroe are far beyond copy. The whole idea of Material Girl was the opposite of Diamonds/Girl's best friend. Using a popular iconic image to break the stereotypycal idea of a bimbo is quite smart, actually. I'm sorry you were unable to understand that. Madonna's videos demand a more profound study. That's why MADONNA is the only modern artist included in academic MEDIA STUDIES. Not Bjork or Tori or Alanis.
bhindex 3 years ago
Honey, Madonna did not write the song Peter Brown and Robert Rans did, and she did not direct the music video Mary Lambert did. So wait, were you defending the corporate product of Madonna or Madonna the person? But wait, if Madonna is selling off of images and relaying output mostly review and constructed by producers, who have considerable influence, and studio specific writers that makes her a stereotyped product, of a mega corp.? An ideal that she herself cannot live up to as a real woman.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago
So you really think Madonna shows up and does whatever the directors want her to do? Madonna has nothing to do with the concept, pre-production etc. Like you said, "she's a puppet". Maybe that's why her carreer and her accomplishments are so ordin