"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
I watch/listen to this now and think of the atrosity that is Obamacare as it makes its way through the judicial system. I believe deeply that we need healthcare reform as I myself am uninsured due to "pre-existsings" but the manner in which an unread and unchecked Obamacare was shoved through Congress in a direct opposition to the people was done so by one "faction". It is my hope that the judicial branch will indeed insert the checks and balances talked about by our founding fathers.
It is interesting to note that on the rare occasion when the executive branch of government would dictate legislation, it would be in favor of the majority and along party lines. And only when the intent and party of the majority is secure, is legislation decided by direct vote. So much for checks and balances.
England had the strongest military power in the whole damn world, we beat them?, they gave us "independence" so we can help all the other latin american countries separate of spain, so Napoleon, who was beating Spain at the time, could not get the so desired colonies from spain. Does somebody in here knows what puerto rico is? is not it allowed by the constitution? Hawaii? but... . . .
Actually, we are well aware of that.Do more research and you may learn that Christians were fundamental to the founding of this republic and are still a vital part of its tapestry.Of course you are of the ilk that seeks to deny freedoms to those you oppose.
@kwil46 I never said Christians have no rights as American citizens my friend, only that their religious freedom is limited if they try to use religion as justification to limit the freedom of others. And sorry to say, what you are spewing out is nothing more than Dominionist Newspeak and historical revisiuonism. America was not founded by fundies for fundies, but by people fleeing the type of tyranny Dominionists seek to impose..GOOGLE Dominionism and you'll understand my stance better
@biancademonet Also, I actually AGREE you have the right to disagree as is granted by the US Constitution. I certainly DO NOT have to agree with you kwil46, and no amount of Bible thumping will make me do so. I NEVER have said you lack the freedom to do so. Where I do draw the line is when fundamentallist Christians attempt to limit the freedom of others. Remember kwil, fundies BACKED slavery, Jim Crow, Prohibition, OPPOSED women's suffrage, etc....TRULY A SHAMEFUL RECORD in our nation's past
Rememeber, Christians led the way to the founding of this nation, to the abolition of slavery and segregation.They also established the university system,public hospitals,social charities,etc....You seem inclined to condemn all for the sins of few.By this logic,ALL atheists are mass murderers like Lenin,Stalin,Trotsky,
Mao,etc...Or,all gays are like the radicals in the parades from SF.Unlike you, I know not to judge all by some.I know there are good and bad in all groups.
@kwil46 I am NOT referring to Christians, I'm referring FUNDIES SPECIFICLY Kwil, NOT all Christians...FUNDIES back unconstitutional laws like DOMA, Prop 8, etc...... are you saying the Bible trumps the US Constitution? I think not. I do believe it is the other way around...the US Constitution trumps ALL LAWS INCLUDING THE BIBLE where civil rights are involvedThe same US Constitution that guarantees YOU your free speech and freedom of religion, protects non-fundies from religious based bigotry
If you check, DOMA laws,Prop 8 ..., etc... were ALL passed by legislatures or by a vote of the people in the states involved. In your confused ignorance, you 'claim' to support the Constitution yet oppose the peoples right to vote and make decisions as well as the right of elected officials to govern.FYI, in ALL these cases it was CONSTITUITONAL processes that passed these laws-NOT the Bible . Seems that you view as Constitutional only that which you agree with.
@kwil46 Where civil rights are concerned, NEVER, EVER should this issue be put to public vote. If that truly were the case , in the South, blacks would still be slaves, and in many parts of the Bible Belt, women could not vote , and Prohibition would be still in force.......and I'll stand by my position, the US Constitution trumps the Bible where civil rights are concerned as your cherished anti-gay marriage laws violate the 1st, 5th, and 14th amendments. US Constiotution 3, Bible ZERO
Ok, so since the Constitution give states the powers not granted the feds,and that includes making laws, you oppose that when it comes to civil rights.Thus,you oppose the Constitution.Also,you oppose peoples right to vote on certain issues.You would prefer a panel of like minded people to set the standards for us all.See,you would impose your will on those you oppose while also crying about how others have done the same in the past.Thats why we should leave it to the vote
@kwil46 How does opposing religious backed BS violate the US Constitution? How does opposing religious backed bigotry limit your religious freedom? Your freedom of religion is actually LIMITED by the same US Constitution that grants fundies like yourself the right to thump a BIble in town square preaching hellfre & brimstone against those you deem "sinful". Civil rights ARE NEVER up for popular vote PERIOD!! I also PROUDLY oppose the foisting of YEC Hovindism in the public schools.....
Where did I say anything like that? I did not or please cite it.You are truly arguing a strawman or deflecting from what I actually said.
"Civil rights ARE NEVER up for popular vote PERIOD!!" this statement alone proves you obviously dont fully support the constitution.You simply are crying foul because you think less than 5% of the populous should dictate to the rest.
@kwil46 Gays are closer to 10% of the US population, outnumbering Dominionist Christians 2.5 to 1 BTW......if you support putting civil rights up for vote...OK fundie YOU ASKED FOR IT......we'll respond in kind....up for popular vote will be state by state referendums outlawing YEC Hovindism, and revoking the tax exempt status of churches involved in politics...time to tax these Dominionist cesspools into oblivion, making it quite clear that Dominionism will be quashed as the TREASON it is
You have lost almost every challenge put to popular vote.That is why you are crying and whining about the constituion should not apply to civil or social matters(that is except when you may win a vote-then I am sure you are all for it).
You are a paranoid individual and getting to be quite boring with your ignorance and refusal to acknowledge historical facts. Do you hear footsteps? Look out,thet\y are out there...careful.
@kwil46 The US Constitution trumps all other laws, state , federal, etc. It trumps all state Constitutions, all 'holy books" AGAIN FAIL.......your BS about states rights granted under the 10th amendment , was ALSO used to justify Jim Crow, slavery, CITING THE BIBLE as justification...AGAIN FAIL!! Separate but equal is NEVER EQUAL!!
Fail to read is your problem.You believe the 10th amendment null & void which by default means you disbelieve the veracity of the Constitution which you also claim is supreme.Basically, you trust the constitution-or anything-only so long and as far as it parallels your own beliefs and lifestyle choices.
@kwil46 I never said the 10th amendment was null and void. I stated that civil rights are NOT up for a vote. If that means states rights being trumped , well so be it. The US Constitution TRUMPS THE BIBLE so accept it or STFU.....
So you believe the 10th is null and void unless it deals with what you agree with.I see now, you are a selective supporter of the Constitution so long as it fits your agenda.And you have the nerve to criticize others who you claim are doing the same.Can we say hypocrite? I thought not.
While that is true,YOU are the one who would have the constitution renedered null and void on these issues.You have said so often.As I said, you are all for anything only so long as you agree with it.Rather childish,but thats your right.
You would deem illegal any duly elecetd official who did not goose step with you.Or, and legally binding referendum that failed to follow your lifestyle. As for me, I oppose abortion yet accept it as law.Now,I will work to overturn it but I must accept it as law.You would seek to deny me of the right to peacefully overturn that which I oppose.Seems as though YOU are the fascist here.
@kwil46 and you fundies would deny those of us the right to see overturned in the courts, laws we see as CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL ...you cannot have it both ways my friend. Just as you view abortion as wrong even though it is legal, because your "faith" says so, well it is my right to fight religious backed anti-gay laws as Unconstitutional because of their violating the separation of church and state. You can oppose gay rights all you want, but the Constitution still trumps the Bible!
I support your right to oppose what you see as unconstitutional.It is you who have argued vehemently that Christians should not be able to do the same.Just where do you see separation of church and state?Where is that principle in our gov. found? I argue for peaceful and civil opposition whereas you argue from a point of hatred and bigotry.Big difference there.
@kwil46 Also you are CLEARLY ignorant of the system of checks and balances.....laws passed by the legislature can be vetoed by the executive branch...or overturned in the courts......that is WHY DOMA is being challenged in the courts. When a clearly UnConstitutional law still sneaks past the legislature & executive branch, it is up to the courts to interpret the validity of a law with respect to the Constitution. If a law is found in violation thereof it is tossed as such, forever null & void!
Actually,my friend,bills are passed by the legislature & dont become law until signed by the executive.You argue from both sides of your mouth: first you want to deny due process concerning social issues,,,then you argue thats what we need the constitution for.Make up your mind.And,the judicial branch was NEVER created nor intended to assume legislative powers.
@kwil46 You TRULY ARE IGNORANT, if you had read I did mention the power of the executive branch of govt to stop fundie based BS by vetoing it SO FAIL!! The legislative branch writes the laws...and the power of the courts to OVERTURN unconstitutional laws is there for a reason...it is in the courts we have handed defeat after defeat to the supporters of YEC Hovindism and are gradually strangling fundie backed BS......
Actually, YOU said the legislative passed laws when in fact they pass bills-quite different creatures.So the fail is upon your shoulders.And please cite where in the Constittuion federal district courts are empowered to act legislatively? Or where do you find this separation of church and state you keep tossing out like a life raft.Where?
@kwil46 The key Christian opponents of slavery were the Quakers...not the Baptists btw...the Baptists BACKED slavery & Jim Crow for generations citing the Bible as justification. It was FUNDAMENTALLIST CHRISTIANITY that gave us the brainfart of Prohibition.....as fundies see ANYTHING they deem "sinful" as something to be outlawed: ie liquor, dancing, gambling, birth control, etc. Fundies also back censorship of art, books, films, music they deem objectionable, which is itself UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!
Again,you profer blanket statements to condemn whole groups of people.Why dont you say all whites are racist? Or,all blackas are racist? Or, all atheists are evil murderers? Or,all gays are radical ?Why?
Your statement is both ludicrous and paranoid. Many were responsible for what you cited,yet in your bigotry and hate you single out one group. I know there are good and bad and various degrees in all groups.You only see what your paranoid hatred allows.
You speak as a conspiracy nut willfully ignorant of American history. YOU need to study our founding utilizing source documentation to understand the profound influence Christianity had in the founding and formation of this great nation.If there is any "spewing" being done,it is from you.(as I recall, you are the one who denied the phrase "..laws of nature and natures God.." is in the Declaratio of Independence).I believe your ignorance is surpassed ony by your paranoia.
@kwil46 I am NO conspiracy nut Kwil, have you even looked up Dominionism...its key proponents Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Lou Sheldon, etc have OPENLY stated their intent to replace our secular constitutional republic with a Dominionist Christian theocracy...if you TRULY VALUE FREEDOM, you'd be apalled at this....as for me being atheist...FAIL...I do happen to be of a faith fundies have a shameful history of persecuting.....
I am familiar with dominionism so no need to look it up. And you deem anything Christian or anyone that might disagree with your lifestyle as evil or wrong. You are what you claim to despise. Except you would just substitute one for another.As for being an atheist, I dont recall saying you were, I just used that group to point out the illogic in your argument.
@kwil46 OK if you know so much about Dominionism, then you know one of their key Newspeak arguments is that not only were the Founding Fathers fundamentallist "Bible Believing" Christians, but that the Bible NOT the US Constitution is our nation's highest law. ...if you TRULY know about Dominionism, then CONDEMN IT, those who expound it, support it, etc as the theofascist enemies of freedom they are...the enemy of our Republic is Dominionist theofascism
I believe the phrase was 'i am familiar with it...". And, as I am not the paranoid conspiracy theorist you are, there is no need to fall in your goose step line. As for our founding fathers, most were 'bible believing Christians".If you would do simple research you would know that.
You again willfully ignore historical facts to appease your hatred.I pity your paranoid delusional mind.Try to read more of our founding fathers words...like Washington who said.."It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." OR
" We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus." - John Adams and John Hancock....OR
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."
@kwil46 More Dominionist Newspeak, you are DIRECTLY quoting the Rhetoric of James Kennedy and John Ankerberg, Both fundie, BOTH Dominionist, BOTH THEOFASCISTS of the most treasonous sort....
Ahh, the sign of despearation when the conspiratorial fiend is left with naught but juvenile dribble as a response.I accept the fact you cant contend with facts as you only see things subjectively and this allows hatred and paranoia to settle within your mind.BUT,continue, as the 'articulation' you demonstrate is quite revealing.
@kwil46 Ahh the fundie Christian claiming "persecution when those opposed to Bible backed BS Stand up to fundies...oh no, my right you shove Old Testament law down people's throats is imperiled...anyone who is opposed to fundies...is in a fundies eyes...a bigot...the only bigots are the ones trying to suborn the Constitution and impose a Christaliban Theocracy......Never mind that the US Constitution trumps ALL LAWS INCLUDING THE BIBLE!!
WOW, such a lunatic rant. You are really a paranoid conspiracy nutjob. Nowhere in all my comments did I say anything you dribbled about.You are just so paranoid that you see enemies are everywhere. And you only support the constitution when it pleases you.So,by definition,you are also a hypocrite.Please move the furniture before you throw another tantrum lest you hurt yourself and blame some right wing group for your injury.
Thanks for the info. Just means we need to marshal more resources. FYI, a Federal judge ruling is not the same as the SC and the Feds will challenge this and it will eventually make it to the SC. WAIT, though! I thought YOU were the one who denied constitutional authority when it came to civil rights? Unlike you, I welcome the process and harbor no hatred to anyone.
@kwil46 I hope you reallize this decision WILL be used as precedence on the Federal level and in SCOTUS...as will the threefold reasons the Bible based BS was ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL in the epic Lawrence v Texas decision in 2003...and that was a decisively clear 6-3 decision.....
@kwil46 citing judicial precedence is not buffoonery fundie ftard...if the truth hurts your tiny fundie, Bible impaired brain....welll TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD....we are a SECULAR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and the US CONSTITUTION, NOT YOUR BRONZE AGE Holy Book reigns supreme....get ready to see your cherished Bible based BS get tossed in history's toilet and FLUSHED!
Please refrain from such articulate and reasoned arguments(LOL).It is you who are the bufoon in your interpretation of things-not the cases our outcomes.Must I explain all to you? You speak as a child with the temperament of one.Please peddle the conspiracy paranoia elsewhere.
@kwil46 Your problem is ANYONE who opposes, INDEED CONDEMNS the bigotry of the Christaliban fundies trying to use religion to deny freedom to others you view as a bigot. I DO NOT hate Xtians, what I hate and despise are self-appointed, self-righteous morallists trying to limit the freedom of others, never mind the fact that the same Constitution the grants a fundie the right to pound his Bible in the town square, protects non-fundies from having Christaliban sharia law shoved down their throats
"..what I hate and despise are self-appointed, self-righteous morallists trying to limit the freedom of others.."??/ So you hate yourself? Thats just what you are trying to do.But, to your hypocritical and very paranoid mind it is Ok for you to do this but anyone opposed to you must be stopped.
YOU use hate and bigotry to denounce those you claim are doing the same! Can you say HYPOCRITE? I thought not.
Try living with less hatred, bigotry and intolerance.Put aside your paranoia conspiracy fears and live with more peace and civility.I know you can-if you want to.
we only have the illusion of checks and balance, when Obama gave a state of the union speech, a R. house member called Obama a liar and he later was forced to give an apology.don't sound like a fair and balanced gov. to me? but more like a monarchy or just plain tyranny.
@newbutthunt Ah yes rep Wilson on the so-called "Death Panels"....And it was later proven that the liar was Wilson......a spokesman for the "Birther-deather-TeaParty" movement...FAIL....stop drinking the Limbaugh Lemonade
Ya, I agree somewhat. Right now I want to strangle all of "our" immature representatives who have forgotten that there will never be a day when political parties agree on EVERYTHING! Focus on what you can get done together! ...IDIOTS!
Actually, on July 4, 1776, 13 republics announced their separation from Britain. Five colonies had already declared their independence before July 4, 1776. We did not have a Federal government (republic) till the Articles of Confederation were ratified in March of 1781. That union of states made the USA a confederated republic not a consolidated nation state. The nation state we have today has never been consented to by the American people, it has been foisted on us by the Feds.
Listening to each other without leaping to judgment and fault-finding is a very rare, grown-up kind of behavior in our society today. The Common Interest seems to have been a help in creating a common ground for a variety of points of view to be shared on behalf of the people of Idaho despite that state's very conservative politics. It would seem that TCI's approach would not be effective in the face of so much contention, but I think ordinary people thirst for a productive public discssion.
Well researched and presented here. It is evident that the founding fathers had a clear grasp of our nation and the needs of the people. The 'best' government is 'less' government. Power must remain within the hands of the people and not be a monopolistic dictatorship in which we are forced to dance to the tunes of those in positions of 'power.'
Thanks kstanger62. A certain amount of contention is inevitable I suppose, but we certainly should be able to manage it more productively than we currently are.
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"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
MagicTellaVision 8 months ago
OBAMA TICKLE APP NOW ON ITUNES!!!
123t954 1 year ago
@123t954 DOWN WITH BARAK NOBAM'S SOCIALIST AGENDAS!!!!!!!!!
frankd1965 7 months ago
I watch/listen to this now and think of the atrosity that is Obamacare as it makes its way through the judicial system. I believe deeply that we need healthcare reform as I myself am uninsured due to "pre-existsings" but the manner in which an unread and unchecked Obamacare was shoved through Congress in a direct opposition to the people was done so by one "faction". It is my hope that the judicial branch will indeed insert the checks and balances talked about by our founding fathers.
meltray61 1 year ago
America's self governing republic is dead.
And FDR killed it.
TylerNull 1 year ago
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dismalworldprofit 1 year ago
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dismalworldprofit 1 year ago
It is interesting to note that on the rare occasion when the executive branch of government would dictate legislation, it would be in favor of the majority and along party lines. And only when the intent and party of the majority is secure, is legislation decided by direct vote. So much for checks and balances.
dismalworldprofit 1 year ago
England had the strongest military power in the whole damn world, we beat them?, they gave us "independence" so we can help all the other latin american countries separate of spain, so Napoleon, who was beating Spain at the time, could not get the so desired colonies from spain. Does somebody in here knows what puerto rico is? is not it allowed by the constitution? Hawaii? but... . . .
magorem 1 year ago
Well put! Thanks for that perspective!
ChuckyJesus666 1 year ago
LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC
biofallout 1 year ago
@biofallout We are indeed a Republic, now if only the Christian Right would reallize this........
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Actually, we are well aware of that.Do more research and you may learn that Christians were fundamental to the founding of this republic and are still a vital part of its tapestry.Of course you are of the ilk that seeks to deny freedoms to those you oppose.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 I never said Christians have no rights as American citizens my friend, only that their religious freedom is limited if they try to use religion as justification to limit the freedom of others. And sorry to say, what you are spewing out is nothing more than Dominionist Newspeak and historical revisiuonism. America was not founded by fundies for fundies, but by people fleeing the type of tyranny Dominionists seek to impose..GOOGLE Dominionism and you'll understand my stance better
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet Also, I actually AGREE you have the right to disagree as is granted by the US Constitution. I certainly DO NOT have to agree with you kwil46, and no amount of Bible thumping will make me do so. I NEVER have said you lack the freedom to do so. Where I do draw the line is when fundamentallist Christians attempt to limit the freedom of others. Remember kwil, fundies BACKED slavery, Jim Crow, Prohibition, OPPOSED women's suffrage, etc....TRULY A SHAMEFUL RECORD in our nation's past
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Rememeber, Christians led the way to the founding of this nation, to the abolition of slavery and segregation.They also established the university system,public hospitals,social charities,etc....You seem inclined to condemn all for the sins of few.By this logic,ALL atheists are mass murderers like Lenin,Stalin,Trotsky,
Mao,etc...Or,all gays are like the radicals in the parades from SF.Unlike you, I know not to judge all by some.I know there are good and bad in all groups.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 I am NOT referring to Christians, I'm referring FUNDIES SPECIFICLY Kwil, NOT all Christians...FUNDIES back unconstitutional laws like DOMA, Prop 8, etc...... are you saying the Bible trumps the US Constitution? I think not. I do believe it is the other way around...the US Constitution trumps ALL LAWS INCLUDING THE BIBLE where civil rights are involvedThe same US Constitution that guarantees YOU your free speech and freedom of religion, protects non-fundies from religious based bigotry
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
If you check, DOMA laws,Prop 8 ..., etc... were ALL passed by legislatures or by a vote of the people in the states involved. In your confused ignorance, you 'claim' to support the Constitution yet oppose the peoples right to vote and make decisions as well as the right of elected officials to govern.FYI, in ALL these cases it was CONSTITUITONAL processes that passed these laws-NOT the Bible . Seems that you view as Constitutional only that which you agree with.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 Where civil rights are concerned, NEVER, EVER should this issue be put to public vote. If that truly were the case , in the South, blacks would still be slaves, and in many parts of the Bible Belt, women could not vote , and Prohibition would be still in force.......and I'll stand by my position, the US Constitution trumps the Bible where civil rights are concerned as your cherished anti-gay marriage laws violate the 1st, 5th, and 14th amendments. US Constiotution 3, Bible ZERO
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Ok, so since the Constitution give states the powers not granted the feds,and that includes making laws, you oppose that when it comes to civil rights.Thus,you oppose the Constitution.Also,you oppose peoples right to vote on certain issues.You would prefer a panel of like minded people to set the standards for us all.See,you would impose your will on those you oppose while also crying about how others have done the same in the past.Thats why we should leave it to the vote
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 How does opposing religious backed BS violate the US Constitution? How does opposing religious backed bigotry limit your religious freedom? Your freedom of religion is actually LIMITED by the same US Constitution that grants fundies like yourself the right to thump a BIble in town square preaching hellfre & brimstone against those you deem "sinful". Civil rights ARE NEVER up for popular vote PERIOD!! I also PROUDLY oppose the foisting of YEC Hovindism in the public schools.....
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Where did I say anything like that? I did not or please cite it.You are truly arguing a strawman or deflecting from what I actually said.
"Civil rights ARE NEVER up for popular vote PERIOD!!" this statement alone proves you obviously dont fully support the constitution.You simply are crying foul because you think less than 5% of the populous should dictate to the rest.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 Gays are closer to 10% of the US population, outnumbering Dominionist Christians 2.5 to 1 BTW......if you support putting civil rights up for vote...OK fundie YOU ASKED FOR IT......we'll respond in kind....up for popular vote will be state by state referendums outlawing YEC Hovindism, and revoking the tax exempt status of churches involved in politics...time to tax these Dominionist cesspools into oblivion, making it quite clear that Dominionism will be quashed as the TREASON it is
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
You have lost almost every challenge put to popular vote.That is why you are crying and whining about the constituion should not apply to civil or social matters(that is except when you may win a vote-then I am sure you are all for it).
You are a paranoid individual and getting to be quite boring with your ignorance and refusal to acknowledge historical facts. Do you hear footsteps? Look out,thet\y are out there...careful.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 The US Constitution trumps all other laws, state , federal, etc. It trumps all state Constitutions, all 'holy books" AGAIN FAIL.......your BS about states rights granted under the 10th amendment , was ALSO used to justify Jim Crow, slavery, CITING THE BIBLE as justification...AGAIN FAIL!! Separate but equal is NEVER EQUAL!!
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Fail to read is your problem.You believe the 10th amendment null & void which by default means you disbelieve the veracity of the Constitution which you also claim is supreme.Basically, you trust the constitution-or anything-only so long and as far as it parallels your own beliefs and lifestyle choices.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 I never said the 10th amendment was null and void. I stated that civil rights are NOT up for a vote. If that means states rights being trumped , well so be it. The US Constitution TRUMPS THE BIBLE so accept it or STFU.....
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
So you believe the 10th is null and void unless it deals with what you agree with.I see now, you are a selective supporter of the Constitution so long as it fits your agenda.And you have the nerve to criticize others who you claim are doing the same.Can we say hypocrite? I thought not.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 Where civil rights are concerned, the 14th amendment trumps the 10th (states rights amendment)...so FAIL AGAIN!
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
While that is true,YOU are the one who would have the constitution renedered null and void on these issues.You have said so often.As I said, you are all for anything only so long as you agree with it.Rather childish,but thats your right.
kwil46 1 year ago
@biancademonet
You would deem illegal any duly elecetd official who did not goose step with you.Or, and legally binding referendum that failed to follow your lifestyle. As for me, I oppose abortion yet accept it as law.Now,I will work to overturn it but I must accept it as law.You would seek to deny me of the right to peacefully overturn that which I oppose.Seems as though YOU are the fascist here.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 and you fundies would deny those of us the right to see overturned in the courts, laws we see as CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL ...you cannot have it both ways my friend. Just as you view abortion as wrong even though it is legal, because your "faith" says so, well it is my right to fight religious backed anti-gay laws as Unconstitutional because of their violating the separation of church and state. You can oppose gay rights all you want, but the Constitution still trumps the Bible!
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
I support your right to oppose what you see as unconstitutional.It is you who have argued vehemently that Christians should not be able to do the same.Just where do you see separation of church and state?Where is that principle in our gov. found? I argue for peaceful and civil opposition whereas you argue from a point of hatred and bigotry.Big difference there.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 Also you are CLEARLY ignorant of the system of checks and balances.....laws passed by the legislature can be vetoed by the executive branch...or overturned in the courts......that is WHY DOMA is being challenged in the courts. When a clearly UnConstitutional law still sneaks past the legislature & executive branch, it is up to the courts to interpret the validity of a law with respect to the Constitution. If a law is found in violation thereof it is tossed as such, forever null & void!
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Actually,my friend,bills are passed by the legislature & dont become law until signed by the executive.You argue from both sides of your mouth: first you want to deny due process concerning social issues,,,then you argue thats what we need the constitution for.Make up your mind.And,the judicial branch was NEVER created nor intended to assume legislative powers.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 You TRULY ARE IGNORANT, if you had read I did mention the power of the executive branch of govt to stop fundie based BS by vetoing it SO FAIL!! The legislative branch writes the laws...and the power of the courts to OVERTURN unconstitutional laws is there for a reason...it is in the courts we have handed defeat after defeat to the supporters of YEC Hovindism and are gradually strangling fundie backed BS......
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Actually, YOU said the legislative passed laws when in fact they pass bills-quite different creatures.So the fail is upon your shoulders.And please cite where in the Constittuion federal district courts are empowered to act legislatively? Or where do you find this separation of church and state you keep tossing out like a life raft.Where?
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 Right in the 1st amendment Dominionist!!
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Please cite that my conspiracy seeing friend.(hey,keep throwing out all those nice paranoia induced labels....they are good for a laugh)
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 The key Christian opponents of slavery were the Quakers...not the Baptists btw...the Baptists BACKED slavery & Jim Crow for generations citing the Bible as justification. It was FUNDAMENTALLIST CHRISTIANITY that gave us the brainfart of Prohibition.....as fundies see ANYTHING they deem "sinful" as something to be outlawed: ie liquor, dancing, gambling, birth control, etc. Fundies also back censorship of art, books, films, music they deem objectionable, which is itself UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Again,you profer blanket statements to condemn whole groups of people.Why dont you say all whites are racist? Or,all blackas are racist? Or, all atheists are evil murderers? Or,all gays are radical ?Why?
Your statement is both ludicrous and paranoid. Many were responsible for what you cited,yet in your bigotry and hate you single out one group. I know there are good and bad and various degrees in all groups.You only see what your paranoid hatred allows.
kwil46 1 year ago
@biancademonet
You speak as a conspiracy nut willfully ignorant of American history. YOU need to study our founding utilizing source documentation to understand the profound influence Christianity had in the founding and formation of this great nation.If there is any "spewing" being done,it is from you.(as I recall, you are the one who denied the phrase "..laws of nature and natures God.." is in the Declaratio of Independence).I believe your ignorance is surpassed ony by your paranoia.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 I am NO conspiracy nut Kwil, have you even looked up Dominionism...its key proponents Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Lou Sheldon, etc have OPENLY stated their intent to replace our secular constitutional republic with a Dominionist Christian theocracy...if you TRULY VALUE FREEDOM, you'd be apalled at this....as for me being atheist...FAIL...I do happen to be of a faith fundies have a shameful history of persecuting.....
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
I am familiar with dominionism so no need to look it up. And you deem anything Christian or anyone that might disagree with your lifestyle as evil or wrong. You are what you claim to despise. Except you would just substitute one for another.As for being an atheist, I dont recall saying you were, I just used that group to point out the illogic in your argument.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 OK if you know so much about Dominionism, then you know one of their key Newspeak arguments is that not only were the Founding Fathers fundamentallist "Bible Believing" Christians, but that the Bible NOT the US Constitution is our nation's highest law. ...if you TRULY know about Dominionism, then CONDEMN IT, those who expound it, support it, etc as the theofascist enemies of freedom they are...the enemy of our Republic is Dominionist theofascism
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
I believe the phrase was 'i am familiar with it...". And, as I am not the paranoid conspiracy theorist you are, there is no need to fall in your goose step line. As for our founding fathers, most were 'bible believing Christians".If you would do simple research you would know that.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 BS...our founding fathers were DEISTS, NOT fundies...you are DIRECTLY quoting Dommie Newspeak, Dr James Kennedy in particular FAIL!!
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
You again willfully ignore historical facts to appease your hatred.I pity your paranoid delusional mind.Try to read more of our founding fathers words...like Washington who said.."It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." OR
" We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus." - John Adams and John Hancock....OR
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."
- US Congress 1782 etc
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 More Dominionist Newspeak, you are DIRECTLY quoting the Rhetoric of James Kennedy and John Ankerberg, Both fundie, BOTH Dominionist, BOTH THEOFASCISTS of the most treasonous sort....
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
More ranting from the conspiracy theorist. Were you the story behind the Mel Gibson movie?
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 LOL you fundie ftard
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Ahh, the sign of despearation when the conspiratorial fiend is left with naught but juvenile dribble as a response.I accept the fact you cant contend with facts as you only see things subjectively and this allows hatred and paranoia to settle within your mind.BUT,continue, as the 'articulation' you demonstrate is quite revealing.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 Ahh the fundie Christian claiming "persecution when those opposed to Bible backed BS Stand up to fundies...oh no, my right you shove Old Testament law down people's throats is imperiled...anyone who is opposed to fundies...is in a fundies eyes...a bigot...the only bigots are the ones trying to suborn the Constitution and impose a Christaliban Theocracy......Never mind that the US Constitution trumps ALL LAWS INCLUDING THE BIBLE!!
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
WOW, such a lunatic rant. You are really a paranoid conspiracy nutjob. Nowhere in all my comments did I say anything you dribbled about.You are just so paranoid that you see enemies are everywhere. And you only support the constitution when it pleases you.So,by definition,you are also a hypocrite.Please move the furniture before you throw another tantrum lest you hurt yourself and blame some right wing group for your injury.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 DOMA was just ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL in Massachussetts...thought you'd like to know.......US Constitution 3, Bronze Age Book ZERO!!
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Thanks for the info. Just means we need to marshal more resources. FYI, a Federal judge ruling is not the same as the SC and the Feds will challenge this and it will eventually make it to the SC. WAIT, though! I thought YOU were the one who denied constitutional authority when it came to civil rights? Unlike you, I welcome the process and harbor no hatred to anyone.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 I hope you reallize this decision WILL be used as precedence on the Federal level and in SCOTUS...as will the threefold reasons the Bible based BS was ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL in the epic Lawrence v Texas decision in 2003...and that was a decisively clear 6-3 decision.....
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
More bufoonery from a very hypocritical conspiracy nutjob.Your inane comments grow boring. Save them for other paranoid conspirators.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 citing judicial precedence is not buffoonery fundie ftard...if the truth hurts your tiny fundie, Bible impaired brain....welll TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD....we are a SECULAR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and the US CONSTITUTION, NOT YOUR BRONZE AGE Holy Book reigns supreme....get ready to see your cherished Bible based BS get tossed in history's toilet and FLUSHED!
biancademonet 1 year ago
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kwil46 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Please refrain from such articulate and reasoned arguments(LOL).It is you who are the bufoon in your interpretation of things-not the cases our outcomes.Must I explain all to you? You speak as a child with the temperament of one.Please peddle the conspiracy paranoia elsewhere.
kwil46 1 year ago
@kwil46 Your problem is ANYONE who opposes, INDEED CONDEMNS the bigotry of the Christaliban fundies trying to use religion to deny freedom to others you view as a bigot. I DO NOT hate Xtians, what I hate and despise are self-appointed, self-righteous morallists trying to limit the freedom of others, never mind the fact that the same Constitution the grants a fundie the right to pound his Bible in the town square, protects non-fundies from having Christaliban sharia law shoved down their throats
biancademonet 1 year ago
@biancademonet
"..what I hate and despise are self-appointed, self-righteous morallists trying to limit the freedom of others.."??/ So you hate yourself? Thats just what you are trying to do.But, to your hypocritical and very paranoid mind it is Ok for you to do this but anyone opposed to you must be stopped.
YOU use hate and bigotry to denounce those you claim are doing the same! Can you say HYPOCRITE? I thought not.
kwil46 1 year ago
@biancademonet
Try living with less hatred, bigotry and intolerance.Put aside your paranoia conspiracy fears and live with more peace and civility.I know you can-if you want to.
kwil46 1 year ago
we only have the illusion of checks and balance, when Obama gave a state of the union speech, a R. house member called Obama a liar and he later was forced to give an apology.don't sound like a fair and balanced gov. to me? but more like a monarchy or just plain tyranny.
newbutthunt 1 year ago
@newbutthunt Ah yes rep Wilson on the so-called "Death Panels"....And it was later proven that the liar was Wilson......a spokesman for the "Birther-deather-TeaParty" movement...FAIL....stop drinking the Limbaugh Lemonade
biancademonet 1 year ago
wtf
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RonPaul4Pres2k8 1 year ago
Ya, I agree somewhat. Right now I want to strangle all of "our" immature representatives who have forgotten that there will never be a day when political parties agree on EVERYTHING! Focus on what you can get done together! ...IDIOTS!
1988arayt 2 years ago
Actually, on July 4, 1776, 13 republics announced their separation from Britain. Five colonies had already declared their independence before July 4, 1776. We did not have a Federal government (republic) till the Articles of Confederation were ratified in March of 1781. That union of states made the USA a confederated republic not a consolidated nation state. The nation state we have today has never been consented to by the American people, it has been foisted on us by the Feds.
66605 2 years ago
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America was founded on lies & secrecy. You need to open your eyes & do your own in-depth research if you disagree with that statement.
ChrisfromSMD 2 years ago
Brilliant commentary! And what in-depth research of your own did you do to come to your awe-inspiringly genius statement? You're an idiot.
mikemuench 2 years ago
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what do you mean by america? are you talking about USA or north america. Speak boy SPEAK,.
DickeyRogers 2 years ago
Listening to each other without leaping to judgment and fault-finding is a very rare, grown-up kind of behavior in our society today. The Common Interest seems to have been a help in creating a common ground for a variety of points of view to be shared on behalf of the people of Idaho despite that state's very conservative politics. It would seem that TCI's approach would not be effective in the face of so much contention, but I think ordinary people thirst for a productive public discssion.
daveremgray 2 years ago
This is good and well thought out. :)
AequitasVeritas7777 2 years ago 3
Well researched and presented here. It is evident that the founding fathers had a clear grasp of our nation and the needs of the people. The 'best' government is 'less' government. Power must remain within the hands of the people and not be a monopolistic dictatorship in which we are forced to dance to the tunes of those in positions of 'power.'
rgaretino 2 years ago 6
@rgaretino Then the enemies of freedom: plutocrats, theocrats, and corporatists must be harshly dealt with as the scum they are......
biancademonet 1 year ago
Thanks kstanger62. A certain amount of contention is inevitable I suppose, but we certainly should be able to manage it more productively than we currently are.
KeithAllred 2 years ago
Right on target for today's political scene. Too much contention over nothing.
kstanger62 2 years ago 5