@thesuzejable Unfortunately, Jones was dying and figured he would take a bunch of people with him. Most people there, or so it seems through the evidence in the FOIA files, were drugged up. Not by their own choosing, but being drugged through food, water.
@vperry999 He was dying, and he had planned this for a long time ahead of when it happened. There were two memos found in the FOIA files. One from Larry Schaact, the doctor of Jonestown, that requested he be allowed to give the solution to pigs.
@vperry999 The second was from one of the "inner circle" women that asked, "What do we do with those that don't want to die?" These memos were written months earlier. Way before the murders.
wtf was he doing their in the first place,, stupid mow cow follower he followed a devil that killed his family shht he mineas well off him self,, prick bastered!*(
@lazeezee He was there because in the beginning, he walked into the place with black and white people, arm in arm, loving each other, being the way things should be. He joined simply because it was a family. The people - not Jones. He hadn't even met Jones but
@vperry999 fell in love with the people. I have met the survivors too and I have to say, they are some of the most loving, kind, caring people in the world. That's why he was there in the first place. All of the love. The cause they were working towards. Tim
Jim Jones was ahead of his time in so many ways....he believed in race equality, he helped drug addicts, but then, as with most socialism experiements, he let the power get to him. He isolated his people, took their passports, and became the tyrannt. They were terrified of him. This was murder! Guards lined the pavillion with crossbows and guns. The people had no choice. That's why he killed the kids first, so the parents would be so devastated they were easier to control.
@bitty05 Most babies were yanked from mother's arms. It all happened quickly and there is now evidence that it was likely most people, in fact all, were doped up that day. Drugs placed in food and in drinks were the likely causes of anyone not really being able to keep up with what was going on.
@sonotquiet Jones, the dirty rotten piece of shit! He could've at least spared the children and babies. Instead he made them drink the poison, go into convulsions and die a painful death. He was a horrible man. Didn't the Third Reich ever teach us anything?
@sonotquiet The parents had their children torn from their arms. Some of those parents live in hell each and every moment of their lives, thank you very much, and suffer more than you will ever suffer. They live with guilt, shame and horrid nightmares. It still hurts them. Moreover, most parents were not there with their children. Jones kept families apart. It's just a better way of control.
@barbcinque this man was demented, and he brainwashed hundreds of ppl into thinking the only way to solve the problems with the world were to escape from it. But there are other ways out of bad times and if we have faith that even when things go bad he is still with us, tht is chistian. True christians do not think like he did. he may have started out christian but let the power go to his head...no one knows why he did the things he di but i can guarentee you his thoughts were not christian.
@1986mvp - So ur hoping there is no sick demented crackers who come to their fate, as well? Well, I am here to inform u that no one should have been taken advantage of like what this sick demented cracker did! I would have said the same if a nigger was up there killing white people. I would have said that there is a sick demented negro as well.So, No is the answer to ur question. Just because I use "crakers" does not mean I hate whites! moron! It means I hate crakers!! just like I hate niggaz.
@charlene12341234 im with u on that one, and i hate niggers too, like u...... i like to give what i call the NIGGER TEST charlene, if ur talking to a black person, and u could be telling them the cure for cancer, and another black person comes up, the one im talking to imediatly turns his attention to the bro, u have failed the NIGGER TEST !!! do u do that to white people charlene???
@1986mvp -first of all, what the hell is a bro?And the above scenario that u give-explain to me how that has anything 2 do with the color of a person's skin-by redirecting ur attention 2 the person who walks up-some people do this out of reflex. Jim Jones was a sick demonic & demented cracker! U telling a black perosn about the cure for cancer, maybe they already know what u think ur trying 2 tell them! R u the know all tell all? Sorry u got affended because I called JJ a cracker.
@1986mvp -there was nothing 4 me 2 get, & if u already knew I would not get it, u intentionally did not want me 2 "GET It" So never mind wasting your own time! Ha it rhymed! NEVER MIND WASTING YOUR OWN TIME!
@damnatureufkdup so are u sitting there re rolling ur black and mild, and drinking ur hennesy???? cause if u choose to smoke or drink anything else u will be ousted by ur nigger peers !!!!!! ur lives are so sad, i bet u wake up every morning wishin u were white... dont blame ya spoon boy !!!!!
@barbcinque These acts weren't based on Christianity, they were based on Communism. Everything they did was because of their twisted Communist beliefs and their brainwashing; Christianity condemns their acts in all ways.
@sonotquiet Yes, because our democratic way is so much better. Communism and socialism is a form of ensuring the money in society is distributed in a more uniform way. This way, everyone gets a share of the 'pie'. In the capitalist way we work, apparently it is not that way. I'm not saying that communism or socialism is a perfect way to be either, but neither is capitalism. We all have our issues and problems.
@vperry999 Democracy is WAY better. If you have a drive and a willingness to work for what you want, you will get it. And when you get it, you don't have to worry about it getting taken away from you from lazy people who don't do shit! There will always be poor people and hungry people because there will always be lazy fucks who don't give a shit! But even them dumb fucks get welfare. We have it great in our country. Sit down.
@sonotquiet Way better? Hmm, don't know what country you live in, but the one I live in things aren't way better. Here you go again, not having an open mind to learn things that others have to offer, but instead you go through life with 'my way is the best way' attitude. We do have a great country. We have great opportunities, however we still have children that go hungry each and every day. We treat our elderly like crap. We are still racist and closed minded.
@vperry999 OMG stfu... I had to look through your page long rambles just to find the comment. Listen simple one, just be glad you live in a country that has a fair stable government and gives you every opportunity to excel and be the best you can be. Keep complaining and I'll ship you off to Iran. LIKE I SAID, as long as there are scummy people (like you, and those will never fully disappear) no nation will ever be perfect. we are the closest to it because we are free. Fuck off. Tata
@sonotquiet Wow, such hostility. Ah, yes, this is what type of people make our country so wonderful. YOU, sir, will not ship anyone off to anywhere. I don't get where it is that you believe you are the correct each and every time you speak. Closed minded much? Ah, did I come around to blow your whole 'I know everything' performance you had going on? Simple minded freak.
If it was me i would get soome one or everyone to fight i there were 900 ppl for Godsake...and if they tried to fight it against the guards i think theres a lot of changes they can beat them....seriously they should have know that....just just wanna make sure if this thing happens agains...FIGHTTT ITTT!!!! well there will be ppl that will diee..but its better than ALLL!!!
@royalty98 Not so easy as you say..... The people were completely brainwashed by Jones. They believed that this was the ,,solution,, and just fed the poison to their kids first and followed soon after. Sure there were people who were forced to do so, others escaped. But the majority of them drank outa free will, if we can speak of free will here is another point wich has to do with brainwashing,manipulating. The same thing Manson did, only Jones had more time and recources thus more folowers
@Hanzey666 Most did not drink freely, out of free will. The majority were held down and injected with the poison. Some drank 'freely' if that's what you want to call having guns pointed at you. There were a handful that drank proudly, believing in the jerk and his speech. However, he murdered them all, with his conditioning and his tyrants about how life should be.
@royalty98 It's so nice to have the gift of hindsight. If they all had the gift of hindsight, they probably wouldn't be dead, or in Guyana for that matter. We don't know for certain what we would do in that situation - especially when you are drugged up. I too, thought I would know what I would have done when I first heard the story, but you simply don't know unless the conditions are the same. It might surprise you at how you would react.
@montyhades You're an idiot. Cults aside, because they are evil and, as you say, "stupid", but if you're calling believing in Jesus "stupid" .... when you're frying in the fires of hell for eternity, you'll wish you had only been so "stupid" while here on earth. Yes, Jim Jones was EVIL, however, that doesn't detract from the fact that you're an idiot.
@clapolla Wait, you're calling someone Evil and in the same breath talking about how someone will "fry" in the fires of hell for eternity???
The problem isn't religion. Quite the contrary as good teachings can be taken away from it. The problem are people who are blinded by religion such as yourself. The type that damns people to an eternity of torture just because of their belief.
You might not have led people to suicide, but you're still evil for the beliefs you hold. Open your eyes.
@montyhades None of this was done out of religious beliefs. This was a political movement that turned to devastation when the leader lost his mind during his illness and drugged up days.
Some one who escaped and run in the bushes said that he hard 5 or 6 shorts, the guy on this video says that Jim had 1 bullet woad in his head. That makes me wonder why 5-6 shots where fired. Is there anyone who has an explanation of why 5 or 6 shots where fired?
@physictoaster Cyanide would still kill you just by putting it in your mouth. Cyanide is very deadly and kills under 1 or 2 minutes depending on your body size or how fat you are :D. It is the same poison that that asshole knows as Hitler used to kill his GF.
Every single death at Jonestown was a huge tragedy. I didn't make a single comment denigrating the innocents who died at Jonestown - and most of them were innocent people, guilty of nothing more than wanting to make the world a better place.
@MrRedFredSaid tim carter was a victim,not a murderer. youre a dick. you are supporting what you accused me of saying about grace stoen. only i am more in the right because you are too stupid and imperceptive to recognize a genuine person when you see one.
@putdownan8dude - ok, I understand what you're saying. However, I disagree regarding Grace Stoen, because she was not in a position of power. She was a defector. Her child was trapped there in Jonestown and there was nothing she could do about it. Regarding Tim Carter, I think he's suffered greatly over the years. However, on November 18, 1978 he held a position of power at Jonestown. He was not one of the rank and file members of the church.
@MrRedFredSaid you really need to see "the life and death of people's temple" a pbs program. it tells the story better than anything i've seen, including very heartfelt interviews with tim. jim jones was a master manipulator. can you imagine following that guy to guyana? it sounds insane. but people did it, left their wives husbands and families behind to follow this man. evil power at its height.
@putdownan8dude It is actually about a C plus when it comes to the story. There are still things that are 'off' but it is one of the better ones out there. The show, 'Most Evil' tells Tim's story wonderfully, as they let him tell it. They do get his girlfriend's name wrong, however, which sort of ticked us off, but it is the best in terms of his story. Life and Death tells the whole story, from various perspectives.
@putdownan8dude People followed each other, Jones supplied the means to get there and create what they thought would be a community without the vile complexities of society. The cause was the reason they all moved, along with the others who were like family to them.
@MrRedFredSaid Grace was not really in a position of power. She left and wasn't allowed to take John Jr. with her. Tim did NOT hold any position of power in Jonestown. He was used to 'sell' the whole idea of Jonestown and People's Temple, since he is very articulate. He was also used to run errands for Jones. That's how he survived - he was sent on a 'mission'. Tim lived most of the time in Georgetown, away from his wife and son.
@putdownan8dude Tim Carter, my partner of 16 years, doesn't feel he's a victim. He was responsible for being there. It was his choice to be there, however he was there to make the world a better place, not for Jim Jones. He was not a murderer. He has suffered greatly over the years, constantly hearing the children cry and scream, constantly going over the episodes wondering why it was he felt he was always at least two steps behind. Information coming forth shows he was probably drugged.
@vperry999 Tim has my utmost sympathy. "life and death" really showed him as a caring intelligent thoughtful man. his outlook and bravery in the face of complete horror and betrayal is incredibly inspiring; from 1978 to now. thanks for your response.
@putdownan8dude He is definitely a caring man, and one of the most intelligent people I have ever known. We truly believe he was probably doped up that final day, as he says he always felt like he was one step 'behind'. The shock alone could have done that, however he is a combat veteran and is usually quicker to respond when things are chaotic. He is a very thoughtful man and is a very spiritual man. I'm sure he would thank you for your post. I'll tell him you posted that. :) Thank you.
@vperry999 you're very welcome. my brother (age 20) died tragically in 1977 when i was 7, and that time period, the late 70s, resonates for me deeply. my best to you and tim.
@putdownan8dude I am very sorry to hear about your brother. It's always much tougher than those who have never suffered to understand the deep loss that never seems to go away. Thank you for your well wishes and the same to you and yours.
The connection between the CIA and Jim Jones from the internet:"the most mysterious connection that Jim Jones had was his childhood friend, Dan Mitrione. Mitrione later became Chief of the Richmond PD... Mitrione was later was recruited into the CIA, under State Department cover, in May of 1960, and was trained in counter-insurgency and torture techniques. Coincidentally, Mitrione had traveled to Brazil as an OPS adviser at the U.S. Consulate not long before Jones had arrived.
@CeleBulges um you cant say that because the parents were just doing what they thought was best. Jim Jones was what I believe a demon, brainwashing people. The Devil can do powerful things with poeple who arent passionate followers of Christ.
@karebear315 Anybody can be brain washed. Just because you are a "passionate follower of Christ" does not mean that you are not just as brainwashed as those people in Jonestown. I can't stand people who hide behind their damn religion as if everything is OK in their world because of Jesus Christ. Until the truth comes out, like the preacher who denounced gays, and then turned out to be a flamer. The priests who are meant to be more devoted to their religion than the followers raping little boys
@karebear315 And nuns in Catholic school beating children as if they were reenacting the beating of their very own savior. Take your god damned RELIGION and shove it up your ass. Think for yourself, live by your own standards and morals. Religion leads to blind following. You call American a Christian nation and all of a sudden (if you are a Christian, which most of the nation is) questioning the Government becomes unthinkable. Now, they have a horde of blind followers, all seeking their own
@ivorykeys87 There is a great deal of diversity in Christianity. I don't think it's fair to say that all Christians are blind followers and that they don't dare to question the government. I am Christian and I question the government in a lot of ways. Personally, I think the trouble comes when you mix religion and government. They have a way of corrupting each other. I would also say that the US is NOT a Christian nation. Having a majority doesn't make it a Christian nation. It is secular
@MrsSarb I also would like to add, Jim Jones started as a preacher. So, at what point would you say that he was no longer doing right by his followers and his faith? For all we know, Jim Jones had always wanted to lead people to kill themselves, even while preaching God's word. So, where was God? Why didn't He stop Jones from leading these blind followers to their deaths? That aside- There is too much diversity in Christianity. Consider that Christianity is supposed to be the "be-all end-all"
@ivorykeys87 The church was just a ruse to get people to join and to avoid paying taxes. There was no religion actually involved. When you see images of meetings, these are fake. They are staged church meetings to show in public. The regular meetings were talking about who they would help next, the 'promised land' of Guyana, and who they would try and free from jail that didn't deserve to be there. Private meetings were kept private, without cameras, media or non-members.
@ivorykeys87 The facts that have come out in the FOIA files are proof that this was planned ahead of time. At least months prior to the murders. Jones was a showman, a control freak, and he wasn't really preaching to his people. The meetings that are shown by the media are the meetings shown to the public. When outside of the public picture taking circus, he spoke of injustice, of feeding people and of other issues. The People's Temple was a political movement, not a church per se.
@MrsSarb of religions. It really is a pointless argument when there are no facts to go by. I appreciate your well thought out comment. You are absolutely right about separation of government and religion. And, I am aware that not ALL Christians are crazy fanatics without the capability to think. The problem is that, sadly, most of them are. They take things at face value without using logic. And, though it is unfair to the minority to call this a Christian nation, it does not change the fact
@ivorykeys87 The reason we are NOT a Christian nation is because they can't declare that our nation is one religion. In other countries, it IS like that. Many European countries are religious countries. They take your tax money and give it to the church. There are many Islamic countries where it is illegal to be any other religion. Even though there are a lot of Christians in this country, individuals are still protected from being forced into a religion. I would think you'd be grateful.
@ivorykeys87 However, here we go again...the People's Temple had NOTHING to do with religion. It had to do with political movements, feeding the hungry, treatment of the elderly, etc. It was a movement against racism, elitism, ageism, etc. It was a political movement, which is why the mayor and other political figures were involved. Jane Fonda was a visitor, a couple of times and she was interested in the movement.
@ivorykeys87 I don't think they beat them as if they were reenacting Jesus' beatings they give them spankins, yes. I am not catholic anyway and I don't believe in a lot of what they do. What is important, is that God is held #1 in your life. Jesus, as a best friend, a refuge. I don't call it a religion but a relationship. I don't do what some church tells me to do, I do what the Lord tells me by reading His word and talking to Him. Church is meant for fellowship.
@karebear315 selfish redemption and never once stopping to REALLY look at what is happening to this great nation, and the world for that matter! I mean, shit, when you got heaven to look forward too, why the hell would you give a shit about what happens here. Fucking tool.
@CeleBulges Actually, that isn't true. These are the most intelligent folks I've ever been around in my life. In fact, that's usually what people are so astounded by is the fact that they are so intelligent. It was due to rude, vile, racist, sexist and elitist comments that still are being thrown their way today that attracted all of them to the temple and each other.
@thebloddyzorrow i dont know about all that but it would be nice to brainwash them into believing a religion that is pure and dosent say behead the nonbelievers or rape or kill babies lol -other then buddhism
@DarkBeauty1989 we cant...since in the end. we will have the total power on this people..since men by nature its evil and vicious (if given the chance)...we will be like this motherfucker call jim jones , the power will corrupt us... :(
I could just imagine being trapped in that situation thats worse than a character hiding from being killed in a horror movie. I wouldnt knw what to do, if you run you get shot by his guards if you drink the poison you still die. Whew..
THIS IS CRAZY..shit started in san fransico then moved to l.a..and convinced all those ppl to sale there houses and cars and all they money and fly to africa and then told them the fbi going kill them and to drink this poison wtf..the kids didnt have no choice they had the kids drink first 1/3 of the ppl that died where children and then when it was all done he didnt drink the poison so the guards shot his ass.now his son was asked if he would drink the poison and he said yeah BRAIN WASHED FUK!
This makes me sick to my stomach. All of those poor children, just murdered without a say in anything. This is my first time hearing about Jonestown and I can't imagine just being murdered or being so brainwashed that you're willing to drink poison. This literally blows my mind.
@RzVids They were gullible, what's wrong with pointing that out ? But you yanks loved all those weird cult things. You forgetting Waco ? You silly man.
@dirkbogarde44 they were brainwashed.. not to mention many weren't "gullible" because they only stayed there because they knew attempt to escape would result in them being shot by Jones' crazies. And many DID resist taking the cyanide but were either shot or forcibly injected.. this is a mass suicide AND murder!
The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Lay down with dignity? says the guy who didnt drink the poison but had his gun men shoot him in the head. what a bitch, rot in hell Jim Jones. Who gave this psychopath the right to decide it's time to "lay down with dignity and die"?! I am so sad for the people that followed him. Poor children, rest in peace
wow thiz kinda creeps me out, nd i hope yall kno iyt wasent only black pll that died n jonestown, y sum pll sayin black pll will do any thing.. nd number 1 y df would the go way to south america on a little 4zz plane, hot 4zz hell nd no food... but ima hav night mares, also sum pll tried to say kno to the poisen but they held em down nd injected them new where, they had no choice
@sorstudios You say "had it been communism". Jones says explicitly on the videos that it was communism. He once took a Bible and threw it across the room during a speech, and said: you see? Nothing happened to me! Jonestown was built on communism, not religion.
@7beers We can debate religion all day and we both have different OPINIONS, NOT FACT. I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else about MY outlook on religion. If it takes %10 to get into heaven, Then I wont make it. What you believe is in your heart and that's all that matters. People that sell false hope make me mad, and thats the only reason I posted.
@DJJPLin So you're defending bullies of the world? These people came to a church and a RELIGION for guidance. They were already X drug users, prostitutes, and alcoholics and they were gullible( VULNERABLE) and jones used RELIGION to destroy them. You don't need to go to a building, temple or give money to believe in something. It's in your heart to do the right thing not someone else's. HENCE All because of religion.
@sorstudios First, it wasn't a church. It was a guise for a political movement. They weren't all drug abusers, prostitutes and/or alcoholics. I don't know where you got that information, but it's incorrect. It was not all because of RELIGION.
@vperry999 Anyone who tells me to kill myself for a better life, and is a follower of a bible….Is defiantly because of a RELIGION. As for your assumption of a political movement, this would be geared towards the republican party ( DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO ). Stop trying to seek your Andy Warhol dream of fame and do something with your life other than pester people with your opinion. I commented on A video, not to you.
@sorstudios They were not a religion. My assumption? No, not an assumption. I know the survivors, have transcribed hundreds of the FBI tapes and am sixteen years in a relationship with Tim Carter, survivor of the final day. So stop trying to seek YOUR Andy Warhol dream of fame - trying to tell people things that you THINK you know about. I was also commenting on A video. If you can't accept comments back, maybe you should not be commenting.
@vperry999 Well then Vicki now that you've done the whole social hierarchy, exploited your partner, made him and other's relive the moment of their life they probably didn't want. WELL DONE! However: back to our original debate on religion, Jones had all of them believing that a superhuman controlling power was giving them the answers life just as all religions do hence ALL BECAUSE OF RELIGION.
@sorstudios I have exploited nobody. I have not made anyone "relive" any moment either. I simply try to talk to those, like you, make rude comments that are not only uncalled for, but are wrong. You are the ones that create a living hell for those who survived.
They were not there because of religion. The "church" was a guise for several reasons. 1. To not have to pay taxes. 2. Jones loved to preach - he was a showman. 3.) Jones used it to gain extra people in his group.
@vperry999 The church gatherings that are shown on the tapes are staged. The real meetings were used to discuss issues such as what to do with those who had been thrown in prison and were not guilty. Those that were in the church who had done 'bad' things and various issues such as these. The religious ceremonies you see in videos are completely staged for the public eye. I'm not real sure why it is that you think you know everything about the temple when even those who were there don't
@vperry999 You're coming off topic again by adding Jones into the discussion. I'm talking about RELIGION nothing more. Religion will be the destruction of earth, and all mankind cause everyone (THINKS) knows theirs is better. A civilized code of ethic's is what everyone should practice. Like don't bother me and I won't bother you. Religion puts fear in the hearts and minds of every human so they think they need to do drastic things for their RELIGION.
@sorstudios Ah, but Jones is a part of the religion discussion. There was NO religious aspects. The church was simply a way to avoid taxes and to get people to join. The private meetings were not church related. They were discussing other matters. Once you can wrap your mind around that, the discussion changes completely. IT WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS GROUP. IT WAS A POLITICAL MOVEMENT. The crap you are fed through media was set up for media purposes only.
If you want to compare Jones to anyone it would be John Lennon. Both were showman, one did it with a bible and the other with a guitar. Both had the same message peace and love. one sold more albums and the other did drastic loud tinges in the temple to gained more parishioners. Both are DEAD cause of RELIGION. Jones thought God told him to do what he did, and Lennon was killed By Mark Chapman a devout Christian because of the song imagine.
@sorstudios Both are not dead because of religion. Lennon is dead because of a lunatic that doesn't believe in 'light' and peace. He is a dark individual that doesn't 'get it'. Jones is dead because he was dying anyway and he decided to take about 917 others with him. He was also sick in the head, obviously, as one would be murdering that many people. Jones didn't think God told him to do anything. I'm not sure where you are getting the information you have, but it's wrong.
@mabhilas Black people didn't vote in Obama, Republicans that switched to Democrat knocking out Hillary thinking that Mccain had a better chance against a black guy. And those people being rich white folks, not black people.
culmination of the MKULTRA project. CIA has been trying to kill black people since they were mentioned as 2/3 human in the Constitution. The crack epidemic, AIDs, Jonestown, colinization of African countries, these Conniving Isreali Agents, with George Herbert Walker "poppy" Bush at the top of operations for over 30 years, with the help of Grandragon of the KKK, Ronald Reagan, these social terrorists have done evrything from assassinate Martin Luther KIng, Jr to attacking our country on 9/11/01.
poor tim carter :'-(
extremlybored45 1 week ago
SOOOO.... MMM WHAT HAPPEN TO JONNY? DID HE MADE SUICIDE 2???
desdepuertorico 2 weeks ago
I hope that the truth
will come out,
and stays out,
for every one to see!
thesuzejable 2 months ago
They did not wanted to get into the hands of society, they kept their proud in their own hands!
Maybe jim jones and the rest have Saved Themselves from Torture, being killed otherwise??
Media always forms everything, because they are formed by society,
society must always look like the wise humans, who do nothing,
and
know
it
all.
This now everywhere is what you get when many many people believe in Religion Society!
Sad!
thesuzejable 2 months ago
@thesuzejable Unfortunately, Jones was dying and figured he would take a bunch of people with him. Most people there, or so it seems through the evidence in the FOIA files, were drugged up. Not by their own choosing, but being drugged through food, water.
vperry999 1 month ago
@vperry999 He was dying, and he had planned this for a long time ahead of when it happened. There were two memos found in the FOIA files. One from Larry Schaact, the doctor of Jonestown, that requested he be allowed to give the solution to pigs.
vperry999 1 month ago
@vperry999 The second was from one of the "inner circle" women that asked, "What do we do with those that don't want to die?" These memos were written months earlier. Way before the murders.
vperry999 1 month ago
wtf was he doing their in the first place,, stupid mow cow follower he followed a devil that killed his family shht he mineas well off him self,, prick bastered!*(
lazeezee 2 months ago
@lazeezee He was there because in the beginning, he walked into the place with black and white people, arm in arm, loving each other, being the way things should be. He joined simply because it was a family. The people - not Jones. He hadn't even met Jones but
vperry999 1 month ago
@vperry999 fell in love with the people. I have met the survivors too and I have to say, they are some of the most loving, kind, caring people in the world. That's why he was there in the first place. All of the love. The cause they were working towards. Tim
vperry999 1 month ago
@vperry999 didn't follow Jones. He wanted to be a part of the cause, and of the wonderful family.
vperry999 1 month ago
Jim Jones was ahead of his time in so many ways....he believed in race equality, he helped drug addicts, but then, as with most socialism experiements, he let the power get to him. He isolated his people, took their passports, and became the tyrannt. They were terrified of him. This was murder! Guards lined the pavillion with crossbows and guns. The people had no choice. That's why he killed the kids first, so the parents would be so devastated they were easier to control.
TheRrentz 2 months ago
i would rather get shot before i watched my kids die fuck that...
bitty05 3 months ago
@bitty05 Most babies were yanked from mother's arms. It all happened quickly and there is now evidence that it was likely most people, in fact all, were doped up that day. Drugs placed in food and in drinks were the likely causes of anyone not really being able to keep up with what was going on.
vperry999 1 week ago
only consolation is that the children are now sleeping peacefully in heaven in the arms of Jesus.
The parents are currently rotting in hell. I know i should not glory in that, but it's difficult not too.
sonotquiet 3 months ago
@sonotquiet Jones, the dirty rotten piece of shit! He could've at least spared the children and babies. Instead he made them drink the poison, go into convulsions and die a painful death. He was a horrible man. Didn't the Third Reich ever teach us anything?
67nairb 2 months ago
@sonotquiet The parents had their children torn from their arms. Some of those parents live in hell each and every moment of their lives, thank you very much, and suffer more than you will ever suffer. They live with guilt, shame and horrid nightmares. It still hurts them. Moreover, most parents were not there with their children. Jones kept families apart. It's just a better way of control.
vperry999 1 week ago
@barbcinque this man was demented, and he brainwashed hundreds of ppl into thinking the only way to solve the problems with the world were to escape from it. But there are other ways out of bad times and if we have faith that even when things go bad he is still with us, tht is chistian. True christians do not think like he did. he may have started out christian but let the power go to his head...no one knows why he did the things he di but i can guarentee you his thoughts were not christian.
2sing4god 3 months ago
That baby in haven. God bless the all. And out that shit in hell
wildpinksalmon 4 months ago
This sick demented cracker-don't think there aren't some still walking around here to this day-2011.
charlene12341234 4 months ago
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1986mvp 3 months ago
@1986mvp - So ur hoping there is no sick demented crackers who come to their fate, as well? Well, I am here to inform u that no one should have been taken advantage of like what this sick demented cracker did! I would have said the same if a nigger was up there killing white people. I would have said that there is a sick demented negro as well.So, No is the answer to ur question. Just because I use "crakers" does not mean I hate whites! moron! It means I hate crakers!! just like I hate niggaz.
charlene12341234 3 months ago
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1986mvp 3 months ago
@charlene12341234 im with u on that one, and i hate niggers too, like u...... i like to give what i call the NIGGER TEST charlene, if ur talking to a black person, and u could be telling them the cure for cancer, and another black person comes up, the one im talking to imediatly turns his attention to the bro, u have failed the NIGGER TEST !!! do u do that to white people charlene???
1986mvp 3 months ago
@1986mvp -first of all, what the hell is a bro?And the above scenario that u give-explain to me how that has anything 2 do with the color of a person's skin-by redirecting ur attention 2 the person who walks up-some people do this out of reflex. Jim Jones was a sick demonic & demented cracker! U telling a black perosn about the cure for cancer, maybe they already know what u think ur trying 2 tell them! R u the know all tell all? Sorry u got affended because I called JJ a cracker.
charlene12341234 3 months ago
@charlene12341234 i figured u wouldnt get the point !!!!!!!!!! never mind
1986mvp 3 months ago
@1986mvp -there was nothing 4 me 2 get, & if u already knew I would not get it, u intentionally did not want me 2 "GET It" So never mind wasting your own time! Ha it rhymed! NEVER MIND WASTING YOUR OWN TIME!
charlene12341234 2 months ago
@1986mvp....dude, are you fucking even for real??
Instead of wasting your time administering these "nigger tests" do us all a favor. Log off of You Tube - like,right now! Find a bridge. Jump.
Repeat the last two steps if your first attempt fails.
damnatureufkdup 2 months ago
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1986mvp 2 months ago
@damnatureufkdup so are u sitting there re rolling ur black and mild, and drinking ur hennesy???? cause if u choose to smoke or drink anything else u will be ousted by ur nigger peers !!!!!! ur lives are so sad, i bet u wake up every morning wishin u were white... dont blame ya spoon boy !!!!!
1986mvp 2 months ago
...but wait..I thought Christians didnt commit acts of terrorism...
barbcinque 5 months ago
@barbcinque These acts weren't based on Christianity, they were based on Communism. Everything they did was because of their twisted Communist beliefs and their brainwashing; Christianity condemns their acts in all ways.
sonotquiet 3 months ago
@sonotquiet Yes, because our democratic way is so much better. Communism and socialism is a form of ensuring the money in society is distributed in a more uniform way. This way, everyone gets a share of the 'pie'. In the capitalist way we work, apparently it is not that way. I'm not saying that communism or socialism is a perfect way to be either, but neither is capitalism. We all have our issues and problems.
vperry999 1 week ago
@vperry999 Democracy is WAY better. If you have a drive and a willingness to work for what you want, you will get it. And when you get it, you don't have to worry about it getting taken away from you from lazy people who don't do shit! There will always be poor people and hungry people because there will always be lazy fucks who don't give a shit! But even them dumb fucks get welfare. We have it great in our country. Sit down.
sonotquiet 1 week ago
@sonotquiet Way better? Hmm, don't know what country you live in, but the one I live in things aren't way better. Here you go again, not having an open mind to learn things that others have to offer, but instead you go through life with 'my way is the best way' attitude. We do have a great country. We have great opportunities, however we still have children that go hungry each and every day. We treat our elderly like crap. We are still racist and closed minded.
vperry999 1 week ago
@vperry999 OMG stfu... I had to look through your page long rambles just to find the comment. Listen simple one, just be glad you live in a country that has a fair stable government and gives you every opportunity to excel and be the best you can be. Keep complaining and I'll ship you off to Iran. LIKE I SAID, as long as there are scummy people (like you, and those will never fully disappear) no nation will ever be perfect. we are the closest to it because we are free. Fuck off. Tata
sonotquiet 1 week ago
@sonotquiet Wow, such hostility. Ah, yes, this is what type of people make our country so wonderful. YOU, sir, will not ship anyone off to anywhere. I don't get where it is that you believe you are the correct each and every time you speak. Closed minded much? Ah, did I come around to blow your whole 'I know everything' performance you had going on? Simple minded freak.
vperry999 1 week ago
If it was me i would get soome one or everyone to fight i there were 900 ppl for Godsake...and if they tried to fight it against the guards i think theres a lot of changes they can beat them....seriously they should have know that....just just wanna make sure if this thing happens agains...FIGHTTT ITTT!!!! well there will be ppl that will diee..but its better than ALLL!!!
royalty98 6 months ago
@royalty98 Not so easy as you say..... The people were completely brainwashed by Jones. They believed that this was the ,,solution,, and just fed the poison to their kids first and followed soon after. Sure there were people who were forced to do so, others escaped. But the majority of them drank outa free will, if we can speak of free will here is another point wich has to do with brainwashing,manipulating. The same thing Manson did, only Jones had more time and recources thus more folowers
Hanzey666 6 months ago
@Hanzey666 another part of this was that he would have test runs of drinking the kool aid which wasn't poisoned.
416mcp 3 months ago
@Hanzey666 Most did not drink freely, out of free will. The majority were held down and injected with the poison. Some drank 'freely' if that's what you want to call having guns pointed at you. There were a handful that drank proudly, believing in the jerk and his speech. However, he murdered them all, with his conditioning and his tyrants about how life should be.
vperry999 1 week ago
@royalty98 It's so nice to have the gift of hindsight. If they all had the gift of hindsight, they probably wouldn't be dead, or in Guyana for that matter. We don't know for certain what we would do in that situation - especially when you are drugged up. I too, thought I would know what I would have done when I first heard the story, but you simply don't know unless the conditions are the same. It might surprise you at how you would react.
vperry999 1 week ago
They deserve it for being stupid and believe in something so stupid such as religion/god/Jesus. Less people the better world...
montyhades 6 months ago
@montyhades You're an idiot. Cults aside, because they are evil and, as you say, "stupid", but if you're calling believing in Jesus "stupid" .... when you're frying in the fires of hell for eternity, you'll wish you had only been so "stupid" while here on earth. Yes, Jim Jones was EVIL, however, that doesn't detract from the fact that you're an idiot.
clapolla 6 months ago
@clapolla Wait, you're calling someone Evil and in the same breath talking about how someone will "fry" in the fires of hell for eternity???
The problem isn't religion. Quite the contrary as good teachings can be taken away from it. The problem are people who are blinded by religion such as yourself. The type that damns people to an eternity of torture just because of their belief.
You might not have led people to suicide, but you're still evil for the beliefs you hold. Open your eyes.
iz2sicc 4 months ago
@montyhades Think about how long ago this was and how people thought back then.
mistask8a 5 months ago
@montyhades None of this was done out of religious beliefs. This was a political movement that turned to devastation when the leader lost his mind during his illness and drugged up days.
vperry999 1 week ago
Damn just damn...
mertz313 6 months ago
READ the Bible ppl. Dont follow mans word, god might have created man, but we were ALL born in sin.
Com3h 7 months ago
I'm a Mason and am happy for you. Nevertheless: whatever YOU believe in doesn't make YOU a bad person unless you preach onto others.
sorstudios 8 months ago
that messed up freak!would he like it if he was killed as a child?maybe even as a baby?
ForestoFlight 8 months ago
Shit they even gave the poor dog poison.
blarson12 9 months ago 25
JIM JONES U R NOTHING UR A MURDER Y DID U KILL THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU KNEW THAT U WERE GOING TO GET ARRESTED SO U KILLED 909 PEOPLE !!!NCURSE YOU
coolcatdove 10 months ago
Some one who escaped and run in the bushes said that he hard 5 or 6 shorts, the guy on this video says that Jim had 1 bullet woad in his head. That makes me wonder why 5-6 shots where fired. Is there anyone who has an explanation of why 5 or 6 shots where fired?
Thetrutv 11 months ago
@Thetrutv Because people who tried to run away were shot at.
ral1334 10 months ago
I think if I were in a this situation, I'd rather be shot...
ronvins 11 months ago
@ronvins As for my part i can't tell. Maybe also try to escape and get shot
Thetrutv 11 months ago
lol idk what i would do.... like put it in my mouth and spit out out when i laid down or somethin?
physictoaster 11 months ago
@physictoaster Cyanide would still kill you just by putting it in your mouth. Cyanide is very deadly and kills under 1 or 2 minutes depending on your body size or how fat you are :D. It is the same poison that that asshole knows as Hitler used to kill his GF.
Thetrutv 11 months ago
.what the hell, ts some point did common sense come in?!
Alcavexus 11 months ago
did that dog committed suicide too? what the hell mr. jones. .
bukidnontae 1 year ago
@bukidnontae no LOL actully the dog was given cionide to drink too
Anymous09 11 months ago
social genius none the less
SamE9111 1 year ago
hells bells, he shot the dog
Zeriaraz 1 year ago
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MrRedFredSaid 1 year ago
@MrRedFredSaid i sure hope if your wife and baby die someone isn't an asshole about it like you are.
putdownan8dude 1 year ago
@putdownan8dude -
Every single death at Jonestown was a huge tragedy. I didn't make a single comment denigrating the innocents who died at Jonestown - and most of them were innocent people, guilty of nothing more than wanting to make the world a better place.
MrRedFredSaid 1 year ago
@MrRedFredSaid tim carter was a victim,not a murderer. youre a dick. you are supporting what you accused me of saying about grace stoen. only i am more in the right because you are too stupid and imperceptive to recognize a genuine person when you see one.
putdownan8dude 1 year ago
@putdownan8dude - ok, I understand what you're saying. However, I disagree regarding Grace Stoen, because she was not in a position of power. She was a defector. Her child was trapped there in Jonestown and there was nothing she could do about it. Regarding Tim Carter, I think he's suffered greatly over the years. However, on November 18, 1978 he held a position of power at Jonestown. He was not one of the rank and file members of the church.
MrRedFredSaid 1 year ago
@MrRedFredSaid you really need to see "the life and death of people's temple" a pbs program. it tells the story better than anything i've seen, including very heartfelt interviews with tim. jim jones was a master manipulator. can you imagine following that guy to guyana? it sounds insane. but people did it, left their wives husbands and families behind to follow this man. evil power at its height.
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MrRedFredSaid 1 year ago
@putdownan8dude It is actually about a C plus when it comes to the story. There are still things that are 'off' but it is one of the better ones out there. The show, 'Most Evil' tells Tim's story wonderfully, as they let him tell it. They do get his girlfriend's name wrong, however, which sort of ticked us off, but it is the best in terms of his story. Life and Death tells the whole story, from various perspectives.
vperry999 1 week ago
@putdownan8dude People followed each other, Jones supplied the means to get there and create what they thought would be a community without the vile complexities of society. The cause was the reason they all moved, along with the others who were like family to them.
vperry999 1 week ago
@MrRedFredSaid Grace was not really in a position of power. She left and wasn't allowed to take John Jr. with her. Tim did NOT hold any position of power in Jonestown. He was used to 'sell' the whole idea of Jonestown and People's Temple, since he is very articulate. He was also used to run errands for Jones. That's how he survived - he was sent on a 'mission'. Tim lived most of the time in Georgetown, away from his wife and son.
vperry999 1 week ago
@putdownan8dude Tim Carter, my partner of 16 years, doesn't feel he's a victim. He was responsible for being there. It was his choice to be there, however he was there to make the world a better place, not for Jim Jones. He was not a murderer. He has suffered greatly over the years, constantly hearing the children cry and scream, constantly going over the episodes wondering why it was he felt he was always at least two steps behind. Information coming forth shows he was probably drugged.
vperry999 1 week ago
@vperry999 Tim has my utmost sympathy. "life and death" really showed him as a caring intelligent thoughtful man. his outlook and bravery in the face of complete horror and betrayal is incredibly inspiring; from 1978 to now. thanks for your response.
putdownan8dude 1 week ago
@putdownan8dude He is definitely a caring man, and one of the most intelligent people I have ever known. We truly believe he was probably doped up that final day, as he says he always felt like he was one step 'behind'. The shock alone could have done that, however he is a combat veteran and is usually quicker to respond when things are chaotic. He is a very thoughtful man and is a very spiritual man. I'm sure he would thank you for your post. I'll tell him you posted that. :) Thank you.
vperry999 1 week ago
@vperry999 you're very welcome. my brother (age 20) died tragically in 1977 when i was 7, and that time period, the late 70s, resonates for me deeply. my best to you and tim.
putdownan8dude 1 week ago
@putdownan8dude I am very sorry to hear about your brother. It's always much tougher than those who have never suffered to understand the deep loss that never seems to go away. Thank you for your well wishes and the same to you and yours.
vperry999 1 week ago
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The connection between the CIA and Jim Jones from the internet:"the most mysterious connection that Jim Jones had was his childhood friend, Dan Mitrione. Mitrione later became Chief of the Richmond PD... Mitrione was later was recruited into the CIA, under State Department cover, in May of 1960, and was trained in counter-insurgency and torture techniques. Coincidentally, Mitrione had traveled to Brazil as an OPS adviser at the U.S. Consulate not long before Jones had arrived.
Deguello321 1 year ago
I wonder what happened to the gunmen.
Thebeautiful11 1 year ago
Jim jones shut THE FUCK UP!!!
j2fono07 1 year ago
hes a monster
hyttpi 1 year ago
@ bluenail90 Im thinking the same thing, how did he live to tell the story??????
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FightingAngelz 1 year ago
Makes me wonder ... if you were a guard and forced others to die then survived ... what would you say?
bluenail90 1 year ago
man....he is one sick man..all those innocent babies.
mrsrand2010 1 year ago
i hate jim jone's voice
erickBUENO2009 1 year ago
That poor man was Jim Jones! he caused all of this. I'm glad he is dead
mattmanx1 1 year ago
Jim Jones was a FAG. And those parents who moved their families to Jonestown were RETARDS!
CeleBulges 1 year ago
@CeleBulges um you cant say that because the parents were just doing what they thought was best. Jim Jones was what I believe a demon, brainwashing people. The Devil can do powerful things with poeple who arent passionate followers of Christ.
karebear315 1 year ago
@karebear315 Anybody can be brain washed. Just because you are a "passionate follower of Christ" does not mean that you are not just as brainwashed as those people in Jonestown. I can't stand people who hide behind their damn religion as if everything is OK in their world because of Jesus Christ. Until the truth comes out, like the preacher who denounced gays, and then turned out to be a flamer. The priests who are meant to be more devoted to their religion than the followers raping little boys
ivorykeys87 1 year ago
@karebear315 And nuns in Catholic school beating children as if they were reenacting the beating of their very own savior. Take your god damned RELIGION and shove it up your ass. Think for yourself, live by your own standards and morals. Religion leads to blind following. You call American a Christian nation and all of a sudden (if you are a Christian, which most of the nation is) questioning the Government becomes unthinkable. Now, they have a horde of blind followers, all seeking their own
ivorykeys87 1 year ago
@ivorykeys87 There is a great deal of diversity in Christianity. I don't think it's fair to say that all Christians are blind followers and that they don't dare to question the government. I am Christian and I question the government in a lot of ways. Personally, I think the trouble comes when you mix religion and government. They have a way of corrupting each other. I would also say that the US is NOT a Christian nation. Having a majority doesn't make it a Christian nation. It is secular
MrsSarb 1 year ago
@MrsSarb I also would like to add, Jim Jones started as a preacher. So, at what point would you say that he was no longer doing right by his followers and his faith? For all we know, Jim Jones had always wanted to lead people to kill themselves, even while preaching God's word. So, where was God? Why didn't He stop Jones from leading these blind followers to their deaths? That aside- There is too much diversity in Christianity. Consider that Christianity is supposed to be the "be-all end-all"
ivorykeys87 1 year ago
@ivorykeys87 The church was just a ruse to get people to join and to avoid paying taxes. There was no religion actually involved. When you see images of meetings, these are fake. They are staged church meetings to show in public. The regular meetings were talking about who they would help next, the 'promised land' of Guyana, and who they would try and free from jail that didn't deserve to be there. Private meetings were kept private, without cameras, media or non-members.
vperry999 1 week ago
@ivorykeys87 The facts that have come out in the FOIA files are proof that this was planned ahead of time. At least months prior to the murders. Jones was a showman, a control freak, and he wasn't really preaching to his people. The meetings that are shown by the media are the meetings shown to the public. When outside of the public picture taking circus, he spoke of injustice, of feeding people and of other issues. The People's Temple was a political movement, not a church per se.
vperry999 1 week ago
@MrsSarb of religions. It really is a pointless argument when there are no facts to go by. I appreciate your well thought out comment. You are absolutely right about separation of government and religion. And, I am aware that not ALL Christians are crazy fanatics without the capability to think. The problem is that, sadly, most of them are. They take things at face value without using logic. And, though it is unfair to the minority to call this a Christian nation, it does not change the fact
ivorykeys87 1 year ago
@ivorykeys87 The reason we are NOT a Christian nation is because they can't declare that our nation is one religion. In other countries, it IS like that. Many European countries are religious countries. They take your tax money and give it to the church. There are many Islamic countries where it is illegal to be any other religion. Even though there are a lot of Christians in this country, individuals are still protected from being forced into a religion. I would think you'd be grateful.
MrsSarb 1 year ago
@ivorykeys87 However, here we go again...the People's Temple had NOTHING to do with religion. It had to do with political movements, feeding the hungry, treatment of the elderly, etc. It was a movement against racism, elitism, ageism, etc. It was a political movement, which is why the mayor and other political figures were involved. Jane Fonda was a visitor, a couple of times and she was interested in the movement.
vperry999 1 week ago
@MrsSarb that the majority tends to rule. Especially when you have politicians and media confirming.
ivorykeys87 1 year ago
@ivorykeys87 I don't think they beat them as if they were reenacting Jesus' beatings they give them spankins, yes. I am not catholic anyway and I don't believe in a lot of what they do. What is important, is that God is held #1 in your life. Jesus, as a best friend, a refuge. I don't call it a religion but a relationship. I don't do what some church tells me to do, I do what the Lord tells me by reading His word and talking to Him. Church is meant for fellowship.
karebear315 5 months ago
@karebear315 selfish redemption and never once stopping to REALLY look at what is happening to this great nation, and the world for that matter! I mean, shit, when you got heaven to look forward too, why the hell would you give a shit about what happens here. Fucking tool.
ivorykeys87 1 year ago
@CeleBulges Actually, that isn't true. These are the most intelligent folks I've ever been around in my life. In fact, that's usually what people are so astounded by is the fact that they are so intelligent. It was due to rude, vile, racist, sexist and elitist comments that still are being thrown their way today that attracted all of them to the temple and each other.
vperry999 1 week ago
THAT BOI WENT TO HELL FUR REAL
mrsbieber10lve10 1 year ago
he was a sick man.
may god give evrybody that die there peace and happiness.
besides jim jones..
Richgirl1418 1 year ago
so easy to brainwash people with religion. Religion is evil
DarkBeauty1989 1 year ago
@DarkBeauty1989 agree!, Religion is for the weak and dumb...so..lets create a religion to manipulate fuckfaces and tell them to worship us?
thebloddyzorrow 1 year ago
@thebloddyzorrow i dont know about all that but it would be nice to brainwash them into believing a religion that is pure and dosent say behead the nonbelievers or rape or kill babies lol -other then buddhism
DarkBeauty1989 1 year ago
@DarkBeauty1989 we cant...since in the end. we will have the total power on this people..since men by nature its evil and vicious (if given the chance)...we will be like this motherfucker call jim jones , the power will corrupt us... :(
thebloddyzorrow 1 year ago
That is horrible... And they got the dog too
LailaNoel 1 year ago
I could just imagine being trapped in that situation thats worse than a character hiding from being killed in a horror movie. I wouldnt knw what to do, if you run you get shot by his guards if you drink the poison you still die. Whew..
Scene68 1 year ago 19
@Scene68 Man thats some hell of a bad situation. But I'm glad for those who escaped that hell.
Thetrutv 11 months ago
@Scene68 i would act as if am dead and lay down
Nerllyn 7 months ago
@Scene68 don't join a cult
zazfilm 6 months ago
THIS IS CRAZY..shit started in san fransico then moved to l.a..and convinced all those ppl to sale there houses and cars and all they money and fly to africa and then told them the fbi going kill them and to drink this poison wtf..the kids didnt have no choice they had the kids drink first 1/3 of the ppl that died where children and then when it was all done he didnt drink the poison so the guards shot his ass.now his son was asked if he would drink the poison and he said yeah BRAIN WASHED FUK!
purplecrEditcarD 1 year ago
This makes me sick to my stomach. All of those poor children, just murdered without a say in anything. This is my first time hearing about Jonestown and I can't imagine just being murdered or being so brainwashed that you're willing to drink poison. This literally blows my mind.
bfmvlovee09 1 year ago 2
LOL the dog.. hahah. I don't mean to laugh but it's funny.
THEMUSICR 1 year ago
Dog...?
Rawrbecca1992 1 year ago
@Rawrbecca1992 that yellow dog at 2:21
RzVids 1 year ago
i am really sorry but wot the hell makes u kill ya own kids?????????
surely no matter wot culture u cum from u know rie from wrong and its wrong 2 kill and 2 comit suiside???
i realy feel 4 these people they must ov been brain washed but still ya own kids ???
jemma4299 1 year ago 2
Watch; Evidence Of Revision - Part 5 - 6 of 11
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DianeDi 1 year ago
Such stupid gullible souls.
dirkbogarde44 1 year ago
@dirkbogarde44 THEY WERE BRAINWASHED.
Hans021220 1 year ago
@dirkbogarde44 dude fuck you ass hole your saying 909 "Stupid Gullible Souls" died fuck you
RzVids 1 year ago
@RzVids They were gullible, what's wrong with pointing that out ? But you yanks loved all those weird cult things. You forgetting Waco ? You silly man.
dirkbogarde44 1 year ago
@dirkbogarde44 they were brainwashed.. not to mention many weren't "gullible" because they only stayed there because they knew attempt to escape would result in them being shot by Jones' crazies. And many DID resist taking the cyanide but were either shot or forcibly injected.. this is a mass suicide AND murder!
shmexxyfooker 1 year ago 4
google Doe's Account.
seekfears 1 year ago
The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
sorstudios 1 year ago
@sorstudios Wow, you are so lost.
vperry999 3 weeks ago
Lay down with dignity? says the guy who didnt drink the poison but had his gun men shoot him in the head. what a bitch, rot in hell Jim Jones. Who gave this psychopath the right to decide it's time to "lay down with dignity and die"?! I am so sad for the people that followed him. Poor children, rest in peace
GeorgiaPeach87 1 year ago 3
wow thiz kinda creeps me out, nd i hope yall kno iyt wasent only black pll that died n jonestown, y sum pll sayin black pll will do any thing.. nd number 1 y df would the go way to south america on a little 4zz plane, hot 4zz hell nd no food... but ima hav night mares, also sum pll tried to say kno to the poisen but they held em down nd injected them new where, they had no choice
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Jim Jones is my Lord and Saviour!
pigletized 1 year ago
All because of religion.
sorstudios 1 year ago
@sorstudios No, all because of one insane tyrant.
7beers 1 year ago
@7beers Right, An Insane tyrant that preyed upon people who were already screwed up trying to fix there lives.
You don't need to go to a building to believe in God, you can do it from home. Hence all because of religion.
sorstudios 1 year ago
@sorstudios But Jonestown was built on Communism, so it was more on political ideology than religion. How do you define religion?
7beers 1 year ago
@7beers Dictatorship is how I define religion. Had it been Communism the people would have made a choice for all.
sorstudios 1 year ago
@sorstudios You say "had it been communism". Jones says explicitly on the videos that it was communism. He once took a Bible and threw it across the room during a speech, and said: you see? Nothing happened to me! Jonestown was built on communism, not religion.
7beers 1 year ago
@7beers We can debate religion all day and we both have different OPINIONS, NOT FACT. I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else about MY outlook on religion. If it takes %10 to get into heaven, Then I wont make it. What you believe is in your heart and that's all that matters. People that sell false hope make me mad, and thats the only reason I posted.
sorstudios 1 year ago
@sorstudios pfft it ain't religion it's just reaaal crazy people with extreme and dangerous ideas.
stealthbeam 9 months ago
@stealthbeam Yeah Hitler was a devout christian as well. For people to believe you can do bad things, and be forgiven on sunday is hilarious.
sorstudios 9 months ago
@sorstudios Hitler was an theosophist, not a christian.
shedendpussys 8 months ago
@shedendpussys HAHAHAHAH A Buddhism and Brahmanism. Are you serious?
sorstudios 8 months ago
@sorstudios It's accepted history
shedendpussys 8 months ago
@shedendpussys Google hitlers beliefs. I'm sorry you find it offensive that hITLER was a christian
sorstudios 8 months ago
@sorstudios I do not find it offensive at all because he was not a christian. His aryan belief system was straight out of theosophy.
shedendpussys 8 months ago
@shedendpussys That just means he was a follower of god , nothing more.
sorstudios 8 months ago
@sorstudios And im a member of the biker mice from mars, laters.
shedendpussys 8 months ago
@sorstudios not because of religion, because of a crazy sadistic fuck, and innocent but stupid and gullible people
DJJPLin 9 months ago
@DJJPLin So you're defending bullies of the world? These people came to a church and a RELIGION for guidance. They were already X drug users, prostitutes, and alcoholics and they were gullible( VULNERABLE) and jones used RELIGION to destroy them. You don't need to go to a building, temple or give money to believe in something. It's in your heart to do the right thing not someone else's. HENCE All because of religion.
sorstudios 9 months ago 5
@sorstudios First, it wasn't a church. It was a guise for a political movement. They weren't all drug abusers, prostitutes and/or alcoholics. I don't know where you got that information, but it's incorrect. It was not all because of RELIGION.
vperry999 1 month ago
@vperry999 Anyone who tells me to kill myself for a better life, and is a follower of a bible….Is defiantly because of a RELIGION. As for your assumption of a political movement, this would be geared towards the republican party ( DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO ). Stop trying to seek your Andy Warhol dream of fame and do something with your life other than pester people with your opinion. I commented on A video, not to you.
sorstudios 4 weeks ago
@sorstudios They were not a religion. My assumption? No, not an assumption. I know the survivors, have transcribed hundreds of the FBI tapes and am sixteen years in a relationship with Tim Carter, survivor of the final day. So stop trying to seek YOUR Andy Warhol dream of fame - trying to tell people things that you THINK you know about. I was also commenting on A video. If you can't accept comments back, maybe you should not be commenting.
vperry999 3 weeks ago
@vperry999 Well then Vicki now that you've done the whole social hierarchy, exploited your partner, made him and other's relive the moment of their life they probably didn't want. WELL DONE! However: back to our original debate on religion, Jones had all of them believing that a superhuman controlling power was giving them the answers life just as all religions do hence ALL BECAUSE OF RELIGION.
sorstudios 3 weeks ago
@sorstudios I have exploited nobody. I have not made anyone "relive" any moment either. I simply try to talk to those, like you, make rude comments that are not only uncalled for, but are wrong. You are the ones that create a living hell for those who survived.
They were not there because of religion. The "church" was a guise for several reasons. 1. To not have to pay taxes. 2. Jones loved to preach - he was a showman. 3.) Jones used it to gain extra people in his group.
vperry999 3 weeks ago
@vperry999 The church gatherings that are shown on the tapes are staged. The real meetings were used to discuss issues such as what to do with those who had been thrown in prison and were not guilty. Those that were in the church who had done 'bad' things and various issues such as these. The religious ceremonies you see in videos are completely staged for the public eye. I'm not real sure why it is that you think you know everything about the temple when even those who were there don't
vperry999 3 weeks ago
@vperry999 You're coming off topic again by adding Jones into the discussion. I'm talking about RELIGION nothing more. Religion will be the destruction of earth, and all mankind cause everyone (THINKS) knows theirs is better. A civilized code of ethic's is what everyone should practice. Like don't bother me and I won't bother you. Religion puts fear in the hearts and minds of every human so they think they need to do drastic things for their RELIGION.
sorstudios 3 weeks ago
@sorstudios Ah, but Jones is a part of the religion discussion. There was NO religious aspects. The church was simply a way to avoid taxes and to get people to join. The private meetings were not church related. They were discussing other matters. Once you can wrap your mind around that, the discussion changes completely. IT WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS GROUP. IT WAS A POLITICAL MOVEMENT. The crap you are fed through media was set up for media purposes only.
vperry999 1 week ago
@vperry999
If you want to compare Jones to anyone it would be John Lennon. Both were showman, one did it with a bible and the other with a guitar. Both had the same message peace and love. one sold more albums and the other did drastic loud tinges in the temple to gained more parishioners. Both are DEAD cause of RELIGION. Jones thought God told him to do what he did, and Lennon was killed By Mark Chapman a devout Christian because of the song imagine.
sorstudios 3 weeks ago
@sorstudios Both are not dead because of religion. Lennon is dead because of a lunatic that doesn't believe in 'light' and peace. He is a dark individual that doesn't 'get it'. Jones is dead because he was dying anyway and he decided to take about 917 others with him. He was also sick in the head, obviously, as one would be murdering that many people. Jones didn't think God told him to do anything. I'm not sure where you are getting the information you have, but it's wrong.
vperry999 1 week ago
wut did they die because he gave them drugs or something
JAZZYbelle123 1 year ago
@JAZZYbelle123 cyanide poisoning.
sorstudios 1 year ago
black people will do anything...they voted for barack obama
mabhilas 1 year ago
@mabhilas Black people didn't vote in Obama, Republicans that switched to Democrat knocking out Hillary thinking that Mccain had a better chance against a black guy. And those people being rich white folks, not black people.
sorstudios 3 weeks ago
POOR DOGGY!!! T.T all those poor people
punkdude002 2 years ago 2
culmination of the MKULTRA project. CIA has been trying to kill black people since they were mentioned as 2/3 human in the Constitution. The crack epidemic, AIDs, Jonestown, colinization of African countries, these Conniving Isreali Agents, with George Herbert Walker "poppy" Bush at the top of operations for over 30 years, with the help of Grandragon of the KKK, Ronald Reagan, these social terrorists have done evrything from assassinate Martin Luther KIng, Jr to attacking our country on 9/11/01.
Ciaresayton 2 years ago
i HATE that man why would he want to kill all thoses ppl anyways he killed kids babys adults even a dog thats just too cruel :$
gypsyabbey9 2 years ago