This sounds really interesting, nun the less I do have Questions. 1) Is observing with the eye exactly the same as observing with a measurement device? 2) Was the 2 slit experiment done in vacuum? And I have to say in addition I have no mathematical training what so ever :( Maybe I'm just not getting something here...
ok so I've got a question, not being raciest, i just want to know exactly what is said from 7:57 to 8:11, i can't understand her dialect very well but i am so intrigued... can someone please help...
What is my brain doing when it tells me I'm moving while in a parked car but it is vehicles on the side that are actually moving. And, there is the sensation of movement. Is it simply perception is reality?
@kweju3 its ur mind tellin u thats its the "normal sensation" ur supposed to feel, jus ur physical body seein that makes u relate to the feeling of when ur actually drivin, i hope that kinda helps not the best description...none of it is real in this life its jus a dream
Over simplifying extremely sophisticated and complex scientific ideas, theories and observations perverts them. Unfortunately the makers of this video must KNOW they're doing this. If the idea is perverted, or distorted then you can't possibly draw accurate conclusions from it.
Put it this way, they're using simple "everyday" analogies (marbles etc) to describe sub-atomic physics. That's like trying to describe the internet as "a series of tubes". See the problem?
I still have an issue on one of the statements (possibly from a previous video in the segment) about the touch delay. It seems more logical that the person can see that they are about to be touched and the brain reacts either to the touch before it really happens, or it prepares the body to feel in that area due to the environmental possibilities. To assume that our brains can literally see the future without even inferring that the touch was done blindly just sounds simple-minded.
You missed the point. The study would have been done so that "SEEING" would be an eliminated variable. They didn't see the moment of contact.
What more likely happened was the brains "error control". The signal on the brain references with the fingertip nerves. Therefore the signal goes from brain to finger and back again. Whereas the original test went half the distance from finger to brain only.
Anyone who has been in a car accident has experienced time dilation.
Simple-mindedness is blindly following and closing you mind to possibilities. If you watched the begining of the film you'd see that many ancient ideas are now foolish in our enlightened state. Our descendants will look back and view our science (knowledge) as we do paleolithic people's.
Breakthroughs are the product of minds that step beyond dogma. If we didn't allow ourselves to move on we'd still blame Zeus for lightning and praying to trees.
I am about to learn Quantum Mechanics in college. I find it interesting but with some discrepancies, such as, touch taking a fraction of a second to reach the brain. Take an electircal circuit and make a connection at one end, the light at the same distance from finger to brain and you will NOT notice a time delay. That is due to how fast electricity flows, not because electricity is going backwards in time. Same principal in the nervous system in the body.
@LIJBeach But in electric circuit have sensors and transducers to capture the input ( temperature;distance,etc)
Our eyes and skin have sensors like a any electric system that involve the transducers,making the analogy.
So talking about static and dynamic characteristics,to the output have valid response of a constant input is have a (Response time) that is 95% of the response to input to the output
So you can giving a response to input as your action as a output is delay not obvious to machines
Any electric system is a ( dead band) that is the time that input takes to give a output.
So i agreed it you that the fact that machinery cannot measure inputs and outputs because they still not developed enough to measure that because their micro-controllers and microprocessors aren't compared to our brain in speed process of felling.
Making that analogy of a machine there is always a delay to a input/ouput and but our system is always faster than a machine but the delay is obvious.
clock. The subsequent long term memory will be that the stimulus was felt at an earlier time than that at which it actually reached the brain. Without corroborating stimuli the brain will not be capable of acurately placing the stimulus in time...
It strikes me that the Ben Libet experiment has provoked some rather spurious conclusions. If there is a stimulous applied to the finger, as well a signal beeing sent to the brain there is also a signal that goes only to the spinal cord, precipitating the quick reflex action. With the secondary data imput coming from other sensory neurons a more acurate percption of "when" the stimulus was detected can be developed. This will then be paired up with the short term memory of the time on the --->
Quantum entanglement requires particles that are in complete isolation from other particles. the spin-spin interaction(which is the basis of entanglement) is the wavefunction used in Shrodingers equation extended for 2 particles, which can incorporate the field generated by the paritlces which are, in the non-relativistic case, generated by second quantisation. the brain does not utilize spin-spin interactions, no natural process does(superpositions would almost always cancel each other).
a single sensory neuron can only interface with the brain after it recieves a stimulus from the brain itself, stimulation of a sense organ triggers a signal from the brain to confirm the signal, a pathway is set for the axon fibres so that a confirming signal then generates a signal in the brain confirming pain, touch, ect. however if the sensory cortex itself is stimulated then no signal has been sent to the sensory organ and hence it only recieves a confirmation from the brain itself.
@MuonRay Now just as a thought experiment, instead of assuming that the brain uses only chemical processes to function, think of it as purely an information based system. Information isn't bound by Newtonian/Relativistic physics, no maximum speed, no mass, no charge, no interference. Information is completely free to do whatever the hell it pleases, look a the double slit experiment. "Physicist decided to take a peak" and Quantum Physics said "NO!"
@Rileyman2rr That electron has no interaction with that detector, its path is not actively changed by the detector being there, but at the same time it is? When your nerves "sense" something it's signals are manifest in electrons right? something like the "action potential"? so what is stopping the brain from having quantum-ly entangled electrons at both ends of the nerves, one in the brain and one on the tip of your finger? You feel a hot cup of water and that electron flips as the action
Information is NOT travelling backwards in time and being measured by the brain. The sensory cortex sends information to a sense organ first before it recieves the information, the reason it does this is because the brain does not want to constantly have to sense everything at once(very inefficient, would be like downloading when there is nothing to download). the sense organ then has to reconfirm the sense and sends a new signal to the sensory cortex which is a confirmation of a stimulation.
Isn't the double slit experiment evidence of the pure thought foundation of our reality? Obviously electrons don't have a mind of their own. It has to be a consciousness of thought causing this reaction. The sub-conscious of a God perhaps. Or even the base program of a computer simulation in which we are merely sentient programs.
@lsl70 lol its like we are in sims or somthing andits like A god would be the creater of the game giving all of the programing for phisics and laws. cool to think about
Funny how this video brings out a lot of hate. The same people getting fired up about this probably don't care that there is a lot wrong with our world. It's sad to see so many angry responses over nothing. I guess more fluoride in the water is needed.
This guys a fucking idiot consciousness has nothing to do with quantum mechanics the way in which are eyes view by receiving photons is far from consciousness, this guys not a thought provoker hes a dumb fuck with a beard who prolly read one article on the two slit experiment and thinks he can invent his own ideas of reality, classic lunatic.
what I don't understand is why the experiment changes when you use machine vison to observe the experiment but it doesnt do that when we look at it with our eyes.
I thought the 3d animation was an excellent way of describing the double slit experiment. But still, I have been unable to find out why measuring a particle that is entangled or in superposition cancels out the quantum state.
@WhiteTrashSingers Someone out there knows we are trying to learn the quantum ways and they are altering how they act. Its all a part of a bigger picture is what I think
I finally googled this movie's name, and I can't believe what I'm reading.
This lady is named J. Z. Knight who was born in Roswell (of all places) and in 1977 she began claiming that an entity named 'Ramtha The Enlightened One' was speaking to her or channeling through her (and still does). This is the lady behind this film and where her ideas originate from. She has operated the 'Ramtha School of Enlightenment' since 1988 and this movie is obviously one gigantic commercial for it.
@fntime Incorrect. The religious believe what they want when they want. I don't believe anything without sufficiently justifiable reason based on evidence.
In fact, I don't think you could make a more incorrect statement if you actually tried.
@YourBrainOnReligion Thank you for that info.. I thought something was very very strange here that did not quite jive with what I am used to wrt analytical thinking and how things are usually explained and done in the true scientific community.. She has another one of these that is essentially a remake of Carls Segans explanation of the Fourth Dimension, Compare the two and you will notice the similarities & differences. I hate hidden agendas, which this seems to be, disguised as real science.
@perryinjax Anytime. I too loathe hidden agendas, especially those intentionally kept quiet. Had she revealed the true nonsense behind her film, it would have never gotten as popular as it has.
@YourBrainOnReligion Yea, your comment did help me much to understand and to alleviate my confusion as to why these videos at first seem to be scientific, yet compared to the Carl Segan and other videos they pretty much copied word for word, LEFT OUT IMportant POINTS and explanations from the original! Now, thanks to your orig post, I finally understood the REASON for this; To leave the "door open" as an intro to her "tin foil on the head wearer" stupid NOn scientific cult concepts. Misleading!
@YourBrainOnReligion She is only one of many in the film, i dont dismiss it just because of her inclusion.But i agree she is somewhat suspect and she does run a vast money making scheme :)
I agree this is where this movie really starts going off the rails. It already has said a few stupid things like that guy saying we could create a big bang, or the girl saying all we need is massive amounts of energy and we can travel to other galaxies (like hey its no big deal! thats our only obstacle!). Our senses aren't playing tricks on us in any quantum sense - we're too large to observe reality on that scale so we're simply unaware of it. Big difference.
I advise you to read up on the double slit experiment if you don't understand.
Or, you're trying to be clever, and saying 'vision' isn't the technically correct word to use? If so, please stop trying to be smart, you come across as a dick.
@jimmyboyG485 No no, miashalala has a point. He's not being a dick or anything. It's really the measurement that collapses the wave function, which has more to do with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle than the double slit experiment itself. In the end, though, nobody really has a 100% understanding of quantum physics - not even Dr. Quantum =P
@nessim99 The brain is limited to the speed of light, consciousness is not limited that way. Consciousness doesn't need the brain in fact, consciousness is limited by the brain but when it works alone it grows & grows & grows.
Base of the presentation I guess the reason why the atoms make a interferance because of its size compare to the marbles, they bounce in the side of the slit then make a collision to each other and going in differents direction and collide to other atoms of the other slit, They must consider not only the atom also its whole enviroment, size and thickness of the wall and its slit, then the observer must be in the other side of the wall, after pass to the slit, just a opinion-sorry to my english
Base of the presentation I guess the reason why the atons make a interferance because of its size compare to the marbles, they bounce in the side of the slit then make a collision to each other and going in differents direction and collide to other atoms of the other slit, They must consider not only the atom also its whole enviroment, size and thickness of the wall and its slit, then the observer must be in the other side of the wall, after pass to the slit, just a opinion-sorry to my english
at 7:24 this is exactly what I mean. the electron is not "aware" of being watched because it is not a conscious entity. It is the photon-electron interaction which is responsible. No magic involved. It's strange, it is quantum, but still science (so no magic).
@RTRVII that's what the quantum phenomenon of entanglement does say. If I understand your statement properly you are trying to discuss Quantum phenomena in the terms of Classical/Newtonian physics.
I don't think that the theory of Quantum Complementarity has disproved a conscious element to it's nature, as ridiculous as it may seem...I'm speaking in purely scientific terms here...as far as I know, we don't understand how or why it occurs....that would require the GUT.
"Information cannot travel faster than the speed of light and this has to date never been disproven."
Subjective information can. If my friend tells me he is wearing a red sock, and his other is green, then when he lifts one up, and i see that it is red, I know the other s green faster than the speed of light. Of course because thoughts cannot be physically translated, this information is subjective and personal. Still interesting.
@dancingwithcalvin That is not what is meant by information traveling. You just receive correlated information (by 100 %) meaning that IF he would lift his other sock, no information is ADDED. So you only receive information once, and it did not travel faster than speed of light. Nice try though :)
Ohhh, yeah the conclusion that the brain sends data back in time was the obvious one. Not what @arashinight says below or if the stimulus wasn't just muscle contraction but a tactile thing maybe the fact that the touch and pain receptors are actually in the finger explains why there was a delay. But no, back in time makes much more sense... what was this guy getting paid?!!
@Jammed9000 ...He completely skewed that experiment. To someone that's not a flaming spiritualist nut-job, the delay was more likely caused by the fact that those impulses normally go from the finger to the brain, then back to the finger where we feel it, where as if you stimulate it directly, it has to go from the brain to the finger, back up to the brain, and then back to the finger. That's how I understood it (those who know this shit better than me, feel free to correct me on that)
Hey man you know more than me! But that seems pretty correct. And that dude explaining it seemed a bit deluded into thinking some thing was supernatural or whatever.
As I understand it, any variation of this experiment, including forcing a separator between the slits, and installing a detector, but one that doesn't let you know which slit it went through causes the wave function to reappear.
Quantum physics can't go back in time and get me that girl, it can't go forward in time and help me win the lottery.
It doesn't work like that, it is a mathematical description of microscopic events.
You can't solve problems at the mind and experience level with a mathematical formula that itself describes atoms. These issues require a different approach.
Not just electrons are affected by observation. They did a study with C60 that showed larger objects are also affected by observation. One day, they hope to use a microscopic object (a virus), then we'll really get our minds blown.
Tomasusan, how do you think they should have depicted "observation" or "eye" then??? People like you, who take everything they see and here as literal fact dont get very far in this field of study. Corporate sellout?....come on. Not to mention the fact it was a metal eye with spikes......get a life.
@DarthZob It's because they are more susceptible to wave patterns. There is another equally powerful force that goes beyond observation. All energy matters. Matter is energy, so it matters. Even thought is energy... which is the point of this media.
I mediated hard on the concept and found myself living in a body that's more connected with God than all of what I knew. Then again I had read the "white book" which was transcribed from Ramtha (The focus behind these ideas) and I meditated every paragraph. Now that's an empowering book. Since then I've been on a journey. Particle physics is just a bit of it. It's so simple that it can explain almost anything, yet the woman who takes the credit seems like a profiteer?
I've made a comedy video aimed for people that understand particle physics. Please check out my channel for the video - Subatomic Particle Party. I'd like to do more like this if it is popular. I'm going around to a lot of quantum videos to find a crowd that will understand the jokes.
I've made a comedy video aimed for people that understand particle physics. Please check out my channel for the video - Subatomic Particle Party. I'd like to do more like this if it is popular. I'm going around to a lot of quantum videos to find a crowd that will understand the jokes.
Wouldn't it make more sense that because the mind was expecting stimuli to the finger and had the ability to predict the stimuli via environmental clues such as heat and atmosphere around the nerves on the skin that the brain had already subconsciously determined that a stimuli would occur in a certain amount of time and had made up for the response time. The brain, however does not have these abilities and therefore is unprepared to receive that data, causing the delay.
@tomasusan I agree completely on a scientific level.. but I think it is great that things like this exist in order to at least fuel the interest of all people in science. To me, in a cartoon like this, that is more important than exact accuracy; it sparks wonder...
@tomasusan I agree completely on a scientific level.. but I think it is great that things like this exist in order to at least fuel the interest of all people in science. To me, in a cartoon like this, that is more important than exact accuracy; it sparks wonder...
"Its only in conscious experience that it seems we move forward in time. In quantum theory you could also go backwards in time, and there is some suggestion that process using the brain related to consciousness project backwards in time." Im baked but that made perfect fucking sense
I find it slightly infuriating that this video would deliberately mislead the public in order to obtain better ratings. The science here was correct right up until they used an eyeball to represent the detector and blamed the wave-particle collapse on a "conscious observer". The fact of the matter is, any detector we can make necessarily interferes with the electrons, forcing the collapse. Dr. Quantum is a corporate sellout...
@tomasusan And as i understand it. There is no light at quantum level, therefore we NEED to shine photons which collapse the wave function of electrons. It doesn't mean it collapses just because we are observing but rather that the devices we use collapse the wave function.
It's like if you want to watch animals in their natural habitat in the dark, without night vision you go around poking them. That detracts their natural behavior OBVIOUSLY.
@tomasusan - I thought the same thing - a really good explanation and demonstration of double slit experiment and then implying it's consciousness. "The very act of measuring [correct] or observing [misleading]" is sneaky - why did they have to use the word observing, when they had already said measuring. In science measuring is observation, but the connotation in lay talk is different and the film exploits these subtleties and uses them as linguistic tricks.
@tomasusan i dont understand. are you saying that he misled the public because he used an eye as in if you visually measure the electrons, this causes the interference and he didnt explain that any detector would create this same outcome?
@Heliosvector he's trying to say that Doctor Quantum gives credit to the observer where credit is not due. In fact, it's more a fault with the observer in that observation requires photons.
@tomasusan Dude go check out the experiments called Quantum erasers....you will know something weird is happening. It is just the knowledge of which way it went through destroys the interference pattern and NOT because one alters the momentum or position because of the interaction when measuring which way it went through. The literal depiction of "conscious observer" is funny but NOT because what you have said!
@tomasusan Just because the observer is represented by an eyeball does not mean it's sentient. Nothing ever mentioned that - this is merely an easy way for the average person to comprehend what's being said. Ever tried explaining death to a four-year-old? It takes euphemisms and metaphors. Loosen up, mate - you'll be happier in the long run. I promise. :3
@Kyeaideh tomasusan is right. that movie what the bleep tries to sell self-help manifest destiny hocus pocus as real science when it's not. so an educational program that presents it as science is questionable at best.
@solarx4 Well, another thing I would take into account is that this film is produced by Ramtha's School of Enlightenment - a very, very religion and spiritual-based cult. It is a way to draw people into the cult and sell them on it, offering a broad coverage of ways to look at what they're saying. The campus is in Yelm, Washington - right near where I live. They're pretty crazy. My main point wasn't about the video itself, though, so much as how people were reacting to it. Too seriously!
@tomasusan Any detector we make is using electrons or photons to measure the experiment. The room is already bathed in light (photons) and is made of matter and stray electrons, and also wrapped up in the Earth's magnetic field. How does an electron in a double-slit experiment know the difference between a nearby magnet or a stray photon passing by versus a magnetic field or a photon trying to measure its presence?
The answer is not in the matter itself, in my opinion.
@JPDisme Your answer is a matter of conscious awareness.
If you're right you collapsed the unknown. It will become known and therefore not interesting to us, as observers of the unknown.
I don't think "The School of Enlightenment" understand their own teachings, as the realisation conforms to common sense. You can apply it to anything and just get the same sense.
Ramtha's musings inspire people to think with the conclusion that thoughts matter.
@bowtomonkey I'm sorry, but every time I read your post I hear the jangle of wind chimes and the pattering of tabla drums in the background. :)
We agree on many things--- the unknown has surely collapsed into the known while enlightenment probably misunderstands it's own common sense. Any sane person would agree with a non-specific, feel-good analysis such as that. I'm now inspired to think that thoughts might even matter and are perhaps even the result of conscious awareness!
@JPDisme I'm not a hippy and I don't hate them at all, but I love both sincere theologists and scientists.
I find one compliments the other. Funny enough, I'm a serious type with a solid education which accounts for most of my self expression. Spirituality gives me a broader mindset about all the other details that aren't covered and I hope that doesn't frighten you.
You can always do better, and not everything that's good for you is proven by science.
@bowtomonkey Thanks for having a sense of humor, because I was being a smart-ass with my replies! But I didn't come here to stick needles into your religiosity or beliefs.
I'm curious what you mean by "Christ levels depict dire circumstances." Can you elaborate on that? I'm not even sure what you are saying. A lil' help would be appreciated!
Jesus' preaching was something else. No church has come close. The missionaries loved native aborigines if that helps. They seemed to have love and giving down pact. If you understand my country you'll understand how second hand knowledge leads you backwards and how being spiritual gives you a context, which lasts.
The dire aspect is unavoidable. Perhaps "revelations" is telling but I still won't care if it is. Humanity is singular.
"The unknown has surely collapsed into the known while enlightenment probably misunderstands it's own common sense. [wrong] I'm now inspired to think that thoughts might even matter and are perhaps even the result of conscious awareness"
Enlightenment IS pure common sense, just not YOUR own questions and varying levels of compassion as far as I can tell. I think there are levels of concern and Christ levels depict dire circumstances, yet we are all like Christ.
@JPDisme Great thoughts. My understanding however is that the detectors introduce interference orders of magnitude greater than that of the ambient sources you describe.
@tomasusan Thanks, but my feeling is that the waveform is more subtle. The "Bell Paradox" shows how subtle it is. Split a particle into two, and send each in opposite directions to the end of the universe. If you measure one particle, the waveform of the other particle will INSTANTLY collapse, no matter if it is a hundred light years away at the time.
This is not my own opinion or speculation and was proven back in 1986.
How does the particle know it's pair was being measured?
@JPDisme You just measured / took part in a moment in time. You CAN'T see two particles of the same thing at the same time, can you? Its a wave with intersections. We see the intersections only. Only light delivers the information to us, you know. So we see an aspect in time.
Everything boils down to common sense... "common" thoughts.
Hold on a minute!!! Dr. Quantum called it a 'measuring device.' "The very act of measuring, or 'observing,'...etc. I think that you owe Dr. Quantum an apology.
@pinkbubblebath Not at all. Here, watch the end of this video for the simple answers to this silliness (answers found in the early 1900s): watch?v=UMqtiFX_IQQ
@tomasusan Would the observer mean that human perception interprets light as a particle? And in different universes, different humans interpret it as a wave, etc. etc., but in truth it exist in all forms? Please let me know, thanks.
@tomasusan that interference is a conscious observance and its effects are mutually exclusive of the physical interference of the steel plate. That's the radical conclusion gathered from the data, the fact that the wave function continued as an interference patten rather than collapsing to a particle. The mere observance of the wave collapsed the function unlike the steel plate should have as they originally predicted. Your logic follows how physicists originally thought about it not how it is
@mcyd12 In truth, it is your logic that follows how many physicists originally puzzled over the results. Heisenberg's answer was widely accepted a century ago. We can now see why bombarding the electron with photons from a detector collapses the wave... Quantum mechanics still holds many mysteries, but Dr. Quantum deliberately misleads and omits here. Watch the end of this video for the simple conclusion: /watch?v=UMqtiFX_IQQ. Cheers!
@tomasusan Crap man, it's a simplified version so everyone can understand it. They could just as easily used a camera, electron detector, etc. It's simply a graphical representation.
@tomasusan No, it is not the presence or absence of a detector that collapses the wavefunction. You are incorrect. Read about the double slit experiment. Even without a detector system, it comes out the same way. It appears that it IS the possibility that we (or anything) can know that collapses the wavefunction.
Youre wrong. All the information is completely concrete. Read Einstein's hypothesis in the 1940's on the theory on relativity and random particles. I am a physicist in my last year at Yale, and I am 100 confident I can prove that Quantum Physics is the most acute explanation to explain physical systems up to date
@tomasusan how do you know this? Are you saying that any detector we make will physicaly interfere with the electrons? do you know for a fact that this is what happened? or is this your perception of what happened? tell me something, if what you say is true, then what is the significance of the experiment? what else does it mean?
This sounds really interesting, nun the less I do have Questions. 1) Is observing with the eye exactly the same as observing with a measurement device? 2) Was the 2 slit experiment done in vacuum? And I have to say in addition I have no mathematical training what so ever :( Maybe I'm just not getting something here...
MrZerlex 2 weeks ago
how do i purchase this full video to learn this at the basic level?
thepeach12345 2 weeks ago
ok so I've got a question, not being raciest, i just want to know exactly what is said from 7:57 to 8:11, i can't understand her dialect very well but i am so intrigued... can someone please help...
fatcat4112 3 weeks ago
@nine4t4, thank you for the great comment..DAMN ! I just wish people would hurry up and evolve already :-P ;-)
cillajeanluvmayn 1 month ago
god this is so interesting! i cant get enough of these videos! :D
skatedistrict238 2 months ago
usually the dr quantum clips is good but this one speaks for itself
eirikmurito 2 months ago
What is my brain doing when it tells me I'm moving while in a parked car but it is vehicles on the side that are actually moving. And, there is the sensation of movement. Is it simply perception is reality?
kweju3 2 months ago 3
@kweju3 its ur mind tellin u thats its the "normal sensation" ur supposed to feel, jus ur physical body seein that makes u relate to the feeling of when ur actually drivin, i hope that kinda helps not the best description...none of it is real in this life its jus a dream
InfinitePotentialDMT 2 weeks ago
The brain is the fourth dimension.
kissfn101 2 months ago
@kissfn101 Go easy on the happy beans for a while if I were you
fishybishbash 2 months ago
@fishybishbash What are happy beans?
kissfn101 2 months ago
@kissfn101 Bless
fishybishbash 2 months ago
@fishybishbash What?
kissfn101 2 months ago
@kissfn101 lol
fishybishbash 2 months ago
@fishybishbash You make no sense. I don't take hallucinogens if that is what you are inferring.
kissfn101 2 months ago
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fishybishbash 2 months ago
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fishybishbash 2 months ago
Dr. manhattan knows whats going on!
TheDivineego 2 months ago
"As though it were aware it was being watched"
*sigh*
Such bullshit.
enzoyug 3 months ago
@enzoyug how so?
Teach me what you think makes it bullshit, can you direct me to some information which gave you this opinion.
imalwayswatchingu00 3 months ago
@imalwayswatchingu00
Over simplifying extremely sophisticated and complex scientific ideas, theories and observations perverts them. Unfortunately the makers of this video must KNOW they're doing this. If the idea is perverted, or distorted then you can't possibly draw accurate conclusions from it.
Put it this way, they're using simple "everyday" analogies (marbles etc) to describe sub-atomic physics. That's like trying to describe the internet as "a series of tubes". See the problem?
enzoyug 2 months ago
@enzoyug haha, yes I understand.
It's like when I watch documentaries about chemistry, and they talk fucking bullshit, BUT it's much more entertaining for the average person.
imalwayswatchingu00 2 months ago
id definitely fornicate with the deaf lady
utsawin09 3 months ago
Holy shit, Marlee Matlin!
caitykitola 3 months ago
i think she said "yet"
ChadOzzy101 3 months ago in playlist More videos from monaszy35
what i think is that the brain does not send memories back in space, but manipulates the past memory making the illusion of time travel
xxXpitboyXxx 3 months ago
Great video! Thanks a lot for sharing this valuable information!
sarmaroof 3 months ago
whoa shes hot
stalkingcat123 3 months ago
Fuck it im going to sleep, well not sleep just lay there and think about how fucked
TheRhysW 3 months ago
If you take when the kid said "Everyone's doing it, their all doing it, each and every time you look" out of contense, then your werid:P
silvernug 3 months ago
this is what my physics teacher would do if he didn't take his piils
leerman22 4 months ago
Have you seen this short animation about science and energy healing, it's pretty cool?
HolistiCards 4 months ago
I still have an issue on one of the statements (possibly from a previous video in the segment) about the touch delay. It seems more logical that the person can see that they are about to be touched and the brain reacts either to the touch before it really happens, or it prepares the body to feel in that area due to the environmental possibilities. To assume that our brains can literally see the future without even inferring that the touch was done blindly just sounds simple-minded.
PazakoKaru 5 months ago in playlist What the bleep do we know
@PazakoKaru
You missed the point. The study would have been done so that "SEEING" would be an eliminated variable. They didn't see the moment of contact.
What more likely happened was the brains "error control". The signal on the brain references with the fingertip nerves. Therefore the signal goes from brain to finger and back again. Whereas the original test went half the distance from finger to brain only.
Anyone who has been in a car accident has experienced time dilation.
nine4t4 4 months ago
@PazakoKaru
Simple-mindedness is blindly following and closing you mind to possibilities. If you watched the begining of the film you'd see that many ancient ideas are now foolish in our enlightened state. Our descendants will look back and view our science (knowledge) as we do paleolithic people's.
Breakthroughs are the product of minds that step beyond dogma. If we didn't allow ourselves to move on we'd still blame Zeus for lightning and praying to trees.
nine4t4 4 months ago
Did She Say
"How Do You Know This Shit"
denz1r 5 months ago 36
@denz1r yup
Megadeaf75 5 months ago
I am about to learn Quantum Mechanics in college. I find it interesting but with some discrepancies, such as, touch taking a fraction of a second to reach the brain. Take an electircal circuit and make a connection at one end, the light at the same distance from finger to brain and you will NOT notice a time delay. That is due to how fast electricity flows, not because electricity is going backwards in time. Same principal in the nervous system in the body.
LIJBeach 6 months ago
@LIJBeach But in electric circuit have sensors and transducers to capture the input ( temperature;distance,etc)
Our eyes and skin have sensors like a any electric system that involve the transducers,making the analogy.
So talking about static and dynamic characteristics,to the output have valid response of a constant input is have a (Response time) that is 95% of the response to input to the output
So you can giving a response to input as your action as a output is delay not obvious to machines
sexoja23 5 months ago
Any electric system is a ( dead band) that is the time that input takes to give a output.
So i agreed it you that the fact that machinery cannot measure inputs and outputs because they still not developed enough to measure that because their micro-controllers and microprocessors aren't compared to our brain in speed process of felling.
Making that analogy of a machine there is always a delay to a input/ouput and but our system is always faster than a machine but the delay is obvious.
Get me?
sexoja23 5 months ago
clock. The subsequent long term memory will be that the stimulus was felt at an earlier time than that at which it actually reached the brain. Without corroborating stimuli the brain will not be capable of acurately placing the stimulus in time...
DrSpooglemon 6 months ago
It strikes me that the Ben Libet experiment has provoked some rather spurious conclusions. If there is a stimulous applied to the finger, as well a signal beeing sent to the brain there is also a signal that goes only to the spinal cord, precipitating the quick reflex action. With the secondary data imput coming from other sensory neurons a more acurate percption of "when" the stimulus was detected can be developed. This will then be paired up with the short term memory of the time on the --->
DrSpooglemon 6 months ago
Quantum entanglement requires particles that are in complete isolation from other particles. the spin-spin interaction(which is the basis of entanglement) is the wavefunction used in Shrodingers equation extended for 2 particles, which can incorporate the field generated by the paritlces which are, in the non-relativistic case, generated by second quantisation. the brain does not utilize spin-spin interactions, no natural process does(superpositions would almost always cancel each other).
MuonRay 6 months ago
a single sensory neuron can only interface with the brain after it recieves a stimulus from the brain itself, stimulation of a sense organ triggers a signal from the brain to confirm the signal, a pathway is set for the axon fibres so that a confirming signal then generates a signal in the brain confirming pain, touch, ect. however if the sensory cortex itself is stimulated then no signal has been sent to the sensory organ and hence it only recieves a confirmation from the brain itself.
MuonRay 6 months ago
@MuonRay Now just as a thought experiment, instead of assuming that the brain uses only chemical processes to function, think of it as purely an information based system. Information isn't bound by Newtonian/Relativistic physics, no maximum speed, no mass, no charge, no interference. Information is completely free to do whatever the hell it pleases, look a the double slit experiment. "Physicist decided to take a peak" and Quantum Physics said "NO!"
Rileyman2rr 6 months ago
@Rileyman2rr That electron has no interaction with that detector, its path is not actively changed by the detector being there, but at the same time it is? When your nerves "sense" something it's signals are manifest in electrons right? something like the "action potential"? so what is stopping the brain from having quantum-ly entangled electrons at both ends of the nerves, one in the brain and one on the tip of your finger? You feel a hot cup of water and that electron flips as the action
Rileyman2rr 6 months ago
Information is NOT travelling backwards in time and being measured by the brain. The sensory cortex sends information to a sense organ first before it recieves the information, the reason it does this is because the brain does not want to constantly have to sense everything at once(very inefficient, would be like downloading when there is nothing to download). the sense organ then has to reconfirm the sense and sends a new signal to the sensory cortex which is a confirmation of a stimulation.
MuonRay 6 months ago
lol wow, it's marlee matlin. hawt
gasmath 6 months ago
Interesting video! I am an artist on YouTube trying to promote my theory on the dynamics of light and time
This theory is based on just two simple postulates
1. The first is that the quantum wave particle function explained by Schrödinger’s wave equation represents the forward passage of time itself
2. The second is that Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle that is formed by the wave function is the same uncertainty we have with any future event
nickharvey7 6 months ago
Isn't the double slit experiment evidence of the pure thought foundation of our reality? Obviously electrons don't have a mind of their own. It has to be a consciousness of thought causing this reaction. The sub-conscious of a God perhaps. Or even the base program of a computer simulation in which we are merely sentient programs.
lsl70 6 months ago
@lsl70 lol its like we are in sims or somthing andits like A god would be the creater of the game giving all of the programing for phisics and laws. cool to think about
spoloon 6 months ago
Maybe sensors of machines aren´t good enough like our sensors and don´t catch or errors and or accurency of errors when we are touched or pinched.
Maybe is just that and not a reverse of time
sexoja23 7 months ago
Funny how this video brings out a lot of hate. The same people getting fired up about this probably don't care that there is a lot wrong with our world. It's sad to see so many angry responses over nothing. I guess more fluoride in the water is needed.
kiolm100 7 months ago
This guys a fucking idiot consciousness has nothing to do with quantum mechanics the way in which are eyes view by receiving photons is far from consciousness, this guys not a thought provoker hes a dumb fuck with a beard who prolly read one article on the two slit experiment and thinks he can invent his own ideas of reality, classic lunatic.
MegaBEANER1000 7 months ago
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@MegaBEANER1000 Because you obviously know everything. Please, enlighten all of us then.
BiTTjl 6 months ago
what I don't understand is why the experiment changes when you use machine vison to observe the experiment but it doesnt do that when we look at it with our eyes.
jmontello1 7 months ago
alright. my head hurts.
rubycat2000 7 months ago
I thought the 3d animation was an excellent way of describing the double slit experiment. But still, I have been unable to find out why measuring a particle that is entangled or in superposition cancels out the quantum state.
WhiteTrashSingers 7 months ago
@WhiteTrashSingers Someone out there knows we are trying to learn the quantum ways and they are altering how they act. Its all a part of a bigger picture is what I think
whereswaldo06 7 months ago
oops "this lady" == the lady at the end of this part
YourBrainOnReligion 7 months ago
I finally googled this movie's name, and I can't believe what I'm reading.
This lady is named J. Z. Knight who was born in Roswell (of all places) and in 1977 she began claiming that an entity named 'Ramtha The Enlightened One' was speaking to her or channeling through her (and still does). This is the lady behind this film and where her ideas originate from. She has operated the 'Ramtha School of Enlightenment' since 1988 and this movie is obviously one gigantic commercial for it.
Unreal.
YourBrainOnReligion 7 months ago 4
@YourBrainOnReligion Well, Quantum physics and the double slit experiment are not her ideas. Their both real and legitimate.
Arthreas 7 months ago
@Arthreas Yes ty I am aware
YourBrainOnReligion 7 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion I hope so.
Arthreas 7 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion You graduated with 'honors', (lol), I think your ego is showing!
Guy,I'm trying to understand people like you & all fundementalist,you seem
obcessed with with christianity.If you don't believe so be it. If it disturbs you the many
laws that religion forces on society,I'll buy it.
But, you come off as a very sad creature.Suggestion: If you get a life, religion won't
matter so much.OCB is not a way to live life. How about you get a girlfriend
or boyfriend & enjoy life.
fntime 7 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion You actually have a great deal in common with the
religious crowd. You and them are opposites of the same coin.
fntime 7 months ago
@fntime Incorrect. The religious believe what they want when they want. I don't believe anything without sufficiently justifiable reason based on evidence.
In fact, I don't think you could make a more incorrect statement if you actually tried.
YourBrainOnReligion 7 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Thank you for that info.. I thought something was very very strange here that did not quite jive with what I am used to wrt analytical thinking and how things are usually explained and done in the true scientific community.. She has another one of these that is essentially a remake of Carls Segans explanation of the Fourth Dimension, Compare the two and you will notice the similarities & differences. I hate hidden agendas, which this seems to be, disguised as real science.
perryinjax 2 months ago
@perryinjax Anytime. I too loathe hidden agendas, especially those intentionally kept quiet. Had she revealed the true nonsense behind her film, it would have never gotten as popular as it has.
YourBrainOnReligion 2 months ago
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perryinjax 2 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Yea, your comment did help me much to understand and to alleviate my confusion as to why these videos at first seem to be scientific, yet compared to the Carl Segan and other videos they pretty much copied word for word, LEFT OUT IMportant POINTS and explanations from the original! Now, thanks to your orig post, I finally understood the REASON for this; To leave the "door open" as an intro to her "tin foil on the head wearer" stupid NOn scientific cult concepts. Misleading!
perryinjax 2 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion I sure would't spend money and time on a film if I did not believe in the project.
cliffhregis 3 weeks ago
@YourBrainOnReligion She is only one of many in the film, i dont dismiss it just because of her inclusion.But i agree she is somewhat suspect and she does run a vast money making scheme :)
blackbird69xxx 3 weeks ago
I agree this is where this movie really starts going off the rails. It already has said a few stupid things like that guy saying we could create a big bang, or the girl saying all we need is massive amounts of energy and we can travel to other galaxies (like hey its no big deal! thats our only obstacle!). Our senses aren't playing tricks on us in any quantum sense - we're too large to observe reality on that scale so we're simply unaware of it. Big difference.
YourBrainOnReligion 7 months ago
2:50 anyone know what movie that is from?
Dmaj87 7 months ago
Dr. Quantum is talking a bit of nonsense here. Saying that vision collapses wave function?! lol what?!
miashalala 8 months ago
@miashalala Dr. Quantum is partially correct. It's not 100% vision, more like 'recognizing'. Read up on Schrodinger's Cat Experiment.
PullarBearBear 7 months ago
@PullarBearBear Fine, but he didn't say that recognition is distorted he said vision.
miashalala 7 months ago
@miashalala
I advise you to read up on the double slit experiment if you don't understand.
Or, you're trying to be clever, and saying 'vision' isn't the technically correct word to use? If so, please stop trying to be smart, you come across as a dick.
jimmyboyG485 7 months ago
@jimmyboyG485 No no, miashalala has a point. He's not being a dick or anything. It's really the measurement that collapses the wave function, which has more to do with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle than the double slit experiment itself. In the end, though, nobody really has a 100% understanding of quantum physics - not even Dr. Quantum =P
rsotbairnfire 7 months ago
I think the entire documentary was good up until this part -__-'.
miashalala 8 months ago
@dancingiwthcalvin
The only problem with that is that all brain activity is measured by electrons, and by that measure, by the speed of light
nessim99 8 months ago
@nessim99 The brain is limited to the speed of light, consciousness is not limited that way. Consciousness doesn't need the brain in fact, consciousness is limited by the brain but when it works alone it grows & grows & grows.
TelecasterLPGTop 6 months ago
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Step 2 ??????
Step 3 PROFIT!!!
Inabj2 8 months ago
@Inabj2
South Park reference? Nice. But not so nice. Because the science is not being misconstrued, reality is just really like that.
dancingwithcalvin 8 months ago
Base of the presentation I guess the reason why the atoms make a interferance because of its size compare to the marbles, they bounce in the side of the slit then make a collision to each other and going in differents direction and collide to other atoms of the other slit, They must consider not only the atom also its whole enviroment, size and thickness of the wall and its slit, then the observer must be in the other side of the wall, after pass to the slit, just a opinion-sorry to my english
newrick88 8 months ago
Base of the presentation I guess the reason why the atons make a interferance because of its size compare to the marbles, they bounce in the side of the slit then make a collision to each other and going in differents direction and collide to other atoms of the other slit, They must consider not only the atom also its whole enviroment, size and thickness of the wall and its slit, then the observer must be in the other side of the wall, after pass to the slit, just a opinion-sorry to my english
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TruthDisorder 9 months ago
at 7:24 this is exactly what I mean. the electron is not "aware" of being watched because it is not a conscious entity. It is the photon-electron interaction which is responsible. No magic involved. It's strange, it is quantum, but still science (so no magic).
RTRVII 9 months ago
@RTRVII Can you cite a source for that? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious.
Insatium 9 months ago
be aware about these time claims. Information cannot travel faster than the speed of light and this has to date never been disproven.
Check your sources and watch out for so called "expert scientists".
RTRVII 9 months ago
@RTRVII that's what the quantum phenomenon of entanglement does say. If I understand your statement properly you are trying to discuss Quantum phenomena in the terms of Classical/Newtonian physics.
I don't think that the theory of Quantum Complementarity has disproved a conscious element to it's nature, as ridiculous as it may seem...I'm speaking in purely scientific terms here...as far as I know, we don't understand how or why it occurs....that would require the GUT.
sandrofrei1 8 months ago
@RTRVII
"Information cannot travel faster than the speed of light and this has to date never been disproven."
Subjective information can. If my friend tells me he is wearing a red sock, and his other is green, then when he lifts one up, and i see that it is red, I know the other s green faster than the speed of light. Of course because thoughts cannot be physically translated, this information is subjective and personal. Still interesting.
dancingwithcalvin 8 months ago
@dancingwithcalvin That is not what is meant by information traveling. You just receive correlated information (by 100 %) meaning that IF he would lift his other sock, no information is ADDED. So you only receive information once, and it did not travel faster than speed of light. Nice try though :)
RTRVII 8 months ago
hmmm
oldeenglishgoonja 9 months ago
Love it.
iceisnice61 9 months ago
@kristijanadrian
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT!?!?!
Jammed9000 9 months ago
Ohhh, yeah the conclusion that the brain sends data back in time was the obvious one. Not what @arashinight says below or if the stimulus wasn't just muscle contraction but a tactile thing maybe the fact that the touch and pain receptors are actually in the finger explains why there was a delay. But no, back in time makes much more sense... what was this guy getting paid?!!
taylor8294 9 months ago
WHHHHaAAAAAT??!??!?!
NO. The brain isn't used to being PRODDED at so of course there was a delay. You idiot. you fairy.
Jammed9000 9 months ago
@Jammed9000 ...He completely skewed that experiment. To someone that's not a flaming spiritualist nut-job, the delay was more likely caused by the fact that those impulses normally go from the finger to the brain, then back to the finger where we feel it, where as if you stimulate it directly, it has to go from the brain to the finger, back up to the brain, and then back to the finger. That's how I understood it (those who know this shit better than me, feel free to correct me on that)
arashinight 9 months ago
@arashinight
Hey man you know more than me! But that seems pretty correct. And that dude explaining it seemed a bit deluded into thinking some thing was supernatural or whatever.
Jammed9000 9 months ago
"The fact of the matter is"
Was the pun intended?
Brandonlm2010 9 months ago 50
@Brandonlm2010 Circumstances Don't Matter Only State of Being Matters
LightLeo111 5 months ago
@Brandonlm2010 science humour LOL
Lollertron 3 months ago
As I understand it, any variation of this experiment, including forcing a separator between the slits, and installing a detector, but one that doesn't let you know which slit it went through causes the wave function to reappear.
UponInfinity 10 months ago
wow this movie is so horribly wrong
abarbar06 10 months ago
lol, give this to Tesla. I would solve it easly
jull23 10 months ago
Quantum physics can't go back in time and get me that girl, it can't go forward in time and help me win the lottery.
It doesn't work like that, it is a mathematical description of microscopic events.
You can't solve problems at the mind and experience level with a mathematical formula that itself describes atoms. These issues require a different approach.
truthcrackers 10 months ago
Not just electrons are affected by observation. They did a study with C60 that showed larger objects are also affected by observation. One day, they hope to use a microscopic object (a virus), then we'll really get our minds blown.
prest0man 10 months ago
Tomasusan, how do you think they should have depicted "observation" or "eye" then??? People like you, who take everything they see and here as literal fact dont get very far in this field of study. Corporate sellout?....come on. Not to mention the fact it was a metal eye with spikes......get a life.
benalthoff3d 10 months ago 2
quantum theory makes no sense if small objects act like this why dont the larger scale objects or matter do this kinda stuff
DarthZob 10 months ago
@DarthZob It's because they are more susceptible to wave patterns. There is another equally powerful force that goes beyond observation. All energy matters. Matter is energy, so it matters. Even thought is energy... which is the point of this media.
bowtomonkey 10 months ago
@bowtomonkey
well i guess that makes sense but i still find it strange by just watching that it changes the outcome that makes me feel weird and kinda powerful
DarthZob 10 months ago
@DarthZob Be careful Zob...
I mediated hard on the concept and found myself living in a body that's more connected with God than all of what I knew. Then again I had read the "white book" which was transcribed from Ramtha (The focus behind these ideas) and I meditated every paragraph. Now that's an empowering book. Since then I've been on a journey. Particle physics is just a bit of it. It's so simple that it can explain almost anything, yet the woman who takes the credit seems like a profiteer?
bowtomonkey 10 months ago
That kid is an annoying asshole.
michael616joaquin 10 months ago
@michael616joaquin
Looks like somebody is addicted to there emotions and insecurities.
Getting pissed over a kid.....how old are you anyways?
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BendableCard 10 months ago
i saw dr. quantum the other day on the street, he was selling crack to the kids, he told me he gotta get paid, and thats just the way it is...
jjunit207 10 months ago
@jjunit207 Lol, that's so funny man. LOL, that's just the way it is, tupac, LOL.
youngstunna79 10 months ago
Wouldn't it make more sense that because the mind was expecting stimuli to the finger and had the ability to predict the stimuli via environmental clues such as heat and atmosphere around the nerves on the skin that the brain had already subconsciously determined that a stimuli would occur in a certain amount of time and had made up for the response time. The brain, however does not have these abilities and therefore is unprepared to receive that data, causing the delay.
UNR3S7 10 months ago
@tomasusan I agree completely on a scientific level.. but I think it is great that things like this exist in order to at least fuel the interest of all people in science. To me, in a cartoon like this, that is more important than exact accuracy; it sparks wonder...
(p.s. they explain it at around 8:40)
yamenhawit 11 months ago
@tomasusan I agree completely on a scientific level.. but I think it is great that things like this exist in order to at least fuel the interest of all people in science. To me, in a cartoon like this, that is more important than exact accuracy; it sparks wonder...
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TKTRV 11 months ago
Was that lady on Law and Order? Or Seinfeld... Or both... possibly at the same time.
geragna 11 months ago
there's no time...
greatestdirector 11 months ago
Oof...Ramtha? FAIL!
jontycampbell 11 months ago
No, Doctor Quantum, the observer observed the collapsed wave function. It didn't collapse the wave function.
TehAl3X 11 months ago
he just made astral projgection PHYSICALLY posible :D
datafreak667 1 year ago
"Its only in conscious experience that it seems we move forward in time. In quantum theory you could also go backwards in time, and there is some suggestion that process using the brain related to consciousness project backwards in time." Im baked but that made perfect fucking sense
bassplaya360 1 year ago
To measure, you need to interact. To observe, you need to avoid interaction.
It's important to distinguish the difference.
nellre 1 year ago
this whole part is not in the dvd
BiggySeth 1 year ago
I find it slightly infuriating that this video would deliberately mislead the public in order to obtain better ratings. The science here was correct right up until they used an eyeball to represent the detector and blamed the wave-particle collapse on a "conscious observer". The fact of the matter is, any detector we can make necessarily interferes with the electrons, forcing the collapse. Dr. Quantum is a corporate sellout...
tomasusan 1 year ago 38
@tomasusan Thanks for clarifying that point.
I thought maybe it was the eye of soren and someone should get Galdalf to sort it out.
SuperZubz 1 year ago
@tomasusan And as i understand it. There is no light at quantum level, therefore we NEED to shine photons which collapse the wave function of electrons. It doesn't mean it collapses just because we are observing but rather that the devices we use collapse the wave function.
It's like if you want to watch animals in their natural habitat in the dark, without night vision you go around poking them. That detracts their natural behavior OBVIOUSLY.
PrittX 1 year ago
@tomasusan - I thought the same thing - a really good explanation and demonstration of double slit experiment and then implying it's consciousness. "The very act of measuring [correct] or observing [misleading]" is sneaky - why did they have to use the word observing, when they had already said measuring. In science measuring is observation, but the connotation in lay talk is different and the film exploits these subtleties and uses them as linguistic tricks.
NAUGHTY, VERY NAUGHTY!
Ag8MrE 11 months ago
@tomasusan i dont understand. are you saying that he misled the public because he used an eye as in if you visually measure the electrons, this causes the interference and he didnt explain that any detector would create this same outcome?
Heliosvector 11 months ago
@Heliosvector he's trying to say that Doctor Quantum gives credit to the observer where credit is not due. In fact, it's more a fault with the observer in that observation requires photons.
TehAl3X 11 months ago
@tomasusan Dude go check out the experiments called Quantum erasers....you will know something weird is happening. It is just the knowledge of which way it went through destroys the interference pattern and NOT because one alters the momentum or position because of the interaction when measuring which way it went through. The literal depiction of "conscious observer" is funny but NOT because what you have said!
vitrone20 11 months ago
@tomasusan Just because the observer is represented by an eyeball does not mean it's sentient. Nothing ever mentioned that - this is merely an easy way for the average person to comprehend what's being said. Ever tried explaining death to a four-year-old? It takes euphemisms and metaphors. Loosen up, mate - you'll be happier in the long run. I promise. :3
Kyeaideh 11 months ago
@Kyeaideh tomasusan is right. that movie what the bleep tries to sell self-help manifest destiny hocus pocus as real science when it's not. so an educational program that presents it as science is questionable at best.
solarx4 11 months ago
@solarx4 Well, another thing I would take into account is that this film is produced by Ramtha's School of Enlightenment - a very, very religion and spiritual-based cult. It is a way to draw people into the cult and sell them on it, offering a broad coverage of ways to look at what they're saying. The campus is in Yelm, Washington - right near where I live. They're pretty crazy. My main point wasn't about the video itself, though, so much as how people were reacting to it. Too seriously!
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JPDisme 11 months ago
@tomasusan Any detector we make is using electrons or photons to measure the experiment. The room is already bathed in light (photons) and is made of matter and stray electrons, and also wrapped up in the Earth's magnetic field. How does an electron in a double-slit experiment know the difference between a nearby magnet or a stray photon passing by versus a magnetic field or a photon trying to measure its presence?
The answer is not in the matter itself, in my opinion.
JPDisme 11 months ago
The phrase "conscious observer" was not invented by Dr. Quantum. The term goes back to the days of Einstein and Bohr....
JPDisme 11 months ago
@JPDisme Your answer is a matter of conscious awareness.
If you're right you collapsed the unknown. It will become known and therefore not interesting to us, as observers of the unknown.
I don't think "The School of Enlightenment" understand their own teachings, as the realisation conforms to common sense. You can apply it to anything and just get the same sense.
Ramtha's musings inspire people to think with the conclusion that thoughts matter.
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JPDisme 11 months ago
@bowtomonkey I'm sorry, but every time I read your post I hear the jangle of wind chimes and the pattering of tabla drums in the background. :)
We agree on many things--- the unknown has surely collapsed into the known while enlightenment probably misunderstands it's own common sense. Any sane person would agree with a non-specific, feel-good analysis such as that. I'm now inspired to think that thoughts might even matter and are perhaps even the result of conscious awareness!
Thanks, Bo-Mo!
JPDisme 11 months ago
@JPDisme I'm not a hippy and I don't hate them at all, but I love both sincere theologists and scientists.
I find one compliments the other. Funny enough, I'm a serious type with a solid education which accounts for most of my self expression. Spirituality gives me a broader mindset about all the other details that aren't covered and I hope that doesn't frighten you.
You can always do better, and not everything that's good for you is proven by science.
You know.
Now what were you saying...?
bowtomonkey 11 months ago
@bowtomonkey Thanks for having a sense of humor, because I was being a smart-ass with my replies! But I didn't come here to stick needles into your religiosity or beliefs.
I'm curious what you mean by "Christ levels depict dire circumstances." Can you elaborate on that? I'm not even sure what you are saying. A lil' help would be appreciated!
Thanky!
JPDisme 11 months ago
@JPDisme I like your replies.
Jesus' preaching was something else. No church has come close. The missionaries loved native aborigines if that helps. They seemed to have love and giving down pact. If you understand my country you'll understand how second hand knowledge leads you backwards and how being spiritual gives you a context, which lasts.
The dire aspect is unavoidable. Perhaps "revelations" is telling but I still won't care if it is. Humanity is singular.
Only facts count, as you know.
bowtomonkey 11 months ago
"The unknown has surely collapsed into the known while enlightenment probably misunderstands it's own common sense. [wrong] I'm now inspired to think that thoughts might even matter and are perhaps even the result of conscious awareness"
Enlightenment IS pure common sense, just not YOUR own questions and varying levels of compassion as far as I can tell. I think there are levels of concern and Christ levels depict dire circumstances, yet we are all like Christ.
Common sense = thought = you.
bowtomonkey 11 months ago
@JPDisme
I just want to say that whatever you decide what the universe is, it is.
I have some spiritual beliefs underpinning this.
Things I noticed.
If we share an idea of the cosmos or inward....
That's space and time. Shared knowledge.
What do we agree upon? It's a NEW resonance. Perhaps great scientists need to embrace simple meditation and key in what they find.
Let's do better.
bowtomonkey 11 months ago
@JPDisme Great thoughts. My understanding however is that the detectors introduce interference orders of magnitude greater than that of the ambient sources you describe.
tomasusan 11 months ago
@tomasusan Thanks, but my feeling is that the waveform is more subtle. The "Bell Paradox" shows how subtle it is. Split a particle into two, and send each in opposite directions to the end of the universe. If you measure one particle, the waveform of the other particle will INSTANTLY collapse, no matter if it is a hundred light years away at the time.
This is not my own opinion or speculation and was proven back in 1986.
How does the particle know it's pair was being measured?
JPDisme 11 months ago
@JPDisme You just measured / took part in a moment in time. You CAN'T see two particles of the same thing at the same time, can you? Its a wave with intersections. We see the intersections only. Only light delivers the information to us, you know. So we see an aspect in time.
Everything boils down to common sense... "common" thoughts.
bowtomonkey 11 months ago
@tomasusan
Hold on a minute!!! Dr. Quantum called it a 'measuring device.' "The very act of measuring, or 'observing,'...etc. I think that you owe Dr. Quantum an apology.
pinkbubblebath 11 months ago
@pinkbubblebath Not at all. Here, watch the end of this video for the simple answers to this silliness (answers found in the early 1900s): watch?v=UMqtiFX_IQQ
tomasusan 11 months ago
@tomasusan Would the observer mean that human perception interprets light as a particle? And in different universes, different humans interpret it as a wave, etc. etc., but in truth it exist in all forms? Please let me know, thanks.
youngstunna79 10 months ago
@tomasusan
Sorry to say, but you are the misleader here. No experiment has ever been done by an unconscious person.
vidkid57 10 months ago 13
@vidkid57 ground breaking thought, thumbs up
Jimag123 7 months ago
@tomasusan that interference is a conscious observance and its effects are mutually exclusive of the physical interference of the steel plate. That's the radical conclusion gathered from the data, the fact that the wave function continued as an interference patten rather than collapsing to a particle. The mere observance of the wave collapsed the function unlike the steel plate should have as they originally predicted. Your logic follows how physicists originally thought about it not how it is
mcyd12 10 months ago
@mcyd12 In truth, it is your logic that follows how many physicists originally puzzled over the results. Heisenberg's answer was widely accepted a century ago. We can now see why bombarding the electron with photons from a detector collapses the wave... Quantum mechanics still holds many mysteries, but Dr. Quantum deliberately misleads and omits here. Watch the end of this video for the simple conclusion: /watch?v=UMqtiFX_IQQ. Cheers!
tomasusan 10 months ago
@tomasusan Crap man, it's a simplified version so everyone can understand it. They could just as easily used a camera, electron detector, etc. It's simply a graphical representation.
theeconomy3 10 months ago
@tomasusan No, it is not the presence or absence of a detector that collapses the wavefunction. You are incorrect. Read about the double slit experiment. Even without a detector system, it comes out the same way. It appears that it IS the possibility that we (or anything) can know that collapses the wavefunction.
9873459872134234 10 months ago
@9873459872134234 Think of it like wave tops on the ocean.
bowtomonkey 10 months ago
Youre wrong. All the information is completely concrete. Read Einstein's hypothesis in the 1940's on the theory on relativity and random particles. I am a physicist in my last year at Yale, and I am 100 confident I can prove that Quantum Physics is the most acute explanation to explain physical systems up to date
TheMerlyn555 10 months ago
@TheMerlyn555 Einstein had more to say about the affect of wave energy. He saw it at an equal to matter.
bowtomonkey 10 months ago
@tomasusan how do you know this? Are you saying that any detector we make will physicaly interfere with the electrons? do you know for a fact that this is what happened? or is this your perception of what happened? tell me something, if what you say is true, then what is the significance of the experiment? what else does it mean?
yarddogsindafunhouse 10 months ago