So i wont lie i started magic because of youtube but i have also found a true passion for the art and fir collecting cards. I have devoted the last four years to card magic. So for him to say i will go nowhere kinda hurts. U can learn magic from anywhere but u must also have a passion for the art form. Learning magic on youtube isnt always bad. But learning it fir the wrong reasons deff is
@bakert4 Like I mentioned, there are exceptions. The vast majority of people who learn magic from YouTube exposure and tutorials are not passionate about the art at all though, and I hope you can agree with that. They used to be spectators who did run into those videos accidentally, and now think they can call themselves magicians for being able to do some tricks, without even performing them. It's great that at least you have passion for it.
Hi mark, you say that talent is set by big crowds and not by family or friends.
I was just wondering why you haven't posted any videos of you performing any of your creations to crowds.
If I knew, and mastered, 'The Phantom' or 'the flash' I would be performing it to anyone I could as they are brilliant tricks.
My point is that you seem to create a lot of effects and perform them on your own in front of a camera. I would say to be a magician the last place you should show them is on the internet
@monkeygj Funny enough that's exactly what we do too. All of our tricks are done live first (in real life and in videochat sessions) before they get uploaded here. You would've known if you would have known us longer because we used to have live performances on here.
Reason why we don't have this anymore is because live performances of street magic are watched for the reactions, not for the magic. And for potential live audiences watching our videos it would spoil the experience completely too.
In this video you just show people who want to become magicians, that they can't be magicians, that they shouldn't reveal tricks. It's meanly in my opinion
@12SaiNt21 Not at all. I just tell how people who didn't want to become magicians end up becoming that (and mostly terrible ones for that matter). Those who make free exposure don't realize the impact they have and have had on the art and its quality.
Before such exposure, there still were magicians... and those who really wanted to become one, did. But nowadays it are mostly laymen who had no intention to do magic themselves, who end up doing it, and that is plain wrong and bad for the art.
Personally, I don't think that talent exists. Everything is simply hard work, and everyone has to start somewhere, it's not like you can just start and become and instant Vernon.
@fizaanTech I agree on the becoming-an-instant-Vernon statement, but I definitely think that talent exists, simply because some people will have to work a whooole lot harder to get there than others. Those others I call talented.
Either way, free online magic tutorials don't quite stimulate hard work. =(
ur telling me i need a lot of tricks but theory11, ellusionist and dan and dave are telling me to not learn 1 trick. perfect it then go on to another trick and i think ill listen 2 them
@docmagic1 You missed something. This video didn't aim towards you as you don't have any magic tricks tutorials uploaded.
Also, I clearly said that if you created the sleights yourself, there is nothing wrong with it.
It's not that the tricks that you find overpriced will be saving your life or carreer or anything. If you don't want to pay that much nor are able to contact the magician and make a good deal with him (many close-up magicians are friendly enough for that), then just don't get it.
i am its my point of view being shared and put across i actually love your channle i think everything you do is amazing, however for you to sit there and tell other people that there pretty much shit because of doing somthing that is different is not nice..And you can borrow magic books from the libary for free so its open information, hope you reply, sorry about the spelling mistakes, much love chris.
@MrChrisismagic Thank you for your honest comment. However, by making free online magic tutorials you show no respect towards the inventors, the magic community and the art itself.
Not everyone on this planet believes or wants to believe that magic isn't real. By saying that it's fake, you are by no meaning a magician, and you even say so yourself. Why not allowing people to think of the art whatever they want? And why making tutorials of tricks which aren't your own?
I don't tell people that they are shit for doing something different, I tell people that they are shit for doing something disrespectful and even bad, as said in this video. A thief may think that stealing is fine, but that doesn't mean that it actually is.
By taking the time to go to a library shows that you are actually dedicated to learning the art. And a book on magic is not being shoved up your face like online magic tutorials.
would you class me as bad "illusionist" because i post tutorials? lets face it "magic" is not real, i for one am very passionet about card "magic" i was infatuated with wanting to know how card tricks where done and i dont care if im not amazing or popular because i get better with every card trick i practice, and in response to what you say about stealing nearly every single trick that is made now is a veriation of a trick done years and years ago, im not having a go please do not think..
@MegaSuperSpiderman Free tutorials don't preserve the art. They stop and discourage actual magicians from continuing. Would you like magic to be done by noobs, and noobs only? ;)
No, but seriously, your comment isn't based on any ground of truth. The art was preserved for a loooong time without there being free tutorials, and definitely none available for the big public or to laymen.
If you are so against tutorials on youtube and telling people who do free tutorials arent magicians and have no skill what so ever. Why is Albert Victoria,TricksterAp, on dark sleight, but he gives out free online tutorials. I love to watch them. But still you are sounding like a hypocrite .
@Lite0utTorch There are exceptions, and Albert is one of them. He actually makes magic tutorials for a whole different purpose than other people on here. He actually makes them because there are so many crappy tutorials by talentless people on the internet that he got annoyed by that and took his time to make good tutorials so that beginner magicians wouldn't learn those effects a wrong way.
Still, when we asked him to join our team we made some deals about making free magic tutorials. =)
I think stuff like the phumb fan bottom deal (i) etc should be allowed to have tutorials. But things like the Carnahan fan, Deja Vu and everything the original creator of the move either has copyright rights to or simply doesn't want it to be revealed shouldn't. This can be from Dan and Dave, Steve Forte etc to a magician wanting to show their new move and not for it to be revealed. But traditional techniques as those mentioned (i) should be taught by those willing to and its an important point.
@andmarkcg Although the 'Thumb Fan' and 'Carnahan Fan' aren't magical sleights, I see what you are coming from and I absolutely agree 100%. Would you approve what I said in the video? Because it seems like it goes along with your statement very well.
@mysterymark I agree with pretty much all you said in the video, but I disagree with your point on talent. Most (perhaps all) magicians have started off bad, but those withe the motivation and desire will practise and most (probably all) of this group of people will end off better than they started and be better magicians. Einstein started Science without much prior knowledge of it, and became probably the most influential scientist of the 20th century. Other than that I agree with you.
As for talent, I guess these are just the ways we personally look at it.
Because I'm originally a musician and I see that some people will never be able to for instance play the piano properly, no matter how hard they'd try, I see talent as something you are born with or not.
A lot of the YouTube magicians can practise whatever they want, but in the end when they f.i. finally mastered a sleight, they cannot perform it properly due to the lack of the talent for performing.
@mysterymark I'm unsure really, practise really does help improve one's skill (yourself being a musician and magician will probably know that) whether you're talented or not. But it's true that a "talented" person will learn more quickly than a, not so gifted person. But altogether it's not too bad to have bad magicians as:
If they're enjoying doing it and not harming anyone, what's wrong with that?
They help magic grow.
And masters of the art become more appreciated from and by these people.
i believe anything that aren't groundbreaking techniques or tricks that don't use extremely hard and sacred tehcniques should be revealed on youtube to draw in new talents and magicians, i also agree with the point that true art shouldn't be made easy, but free youtube vids are for beginners, if you want to be a pro, buy the secret from every source you can find( that's what i did), i'm not biased on one side because i think learning from reading and seeing are both necessaary
@CopyCat1995 Thank you for your honest opinion and for sharing pretty good and valid points.
The only problem I have with it is that most of the groundbreaking techniques, tricks and routines rely on 'simple' techniques, the techniques that are actually being exposed the most on the internet. So by revealing those, people expose a lot more than should be exposed and give every randomer access to the groundbreaking tricks too.
i think some magic can be revealed on u tube but not everything. The amazing trick that u made that is incredibly spectactular shouldn't be revealed but the okay trick that isn't ur favorite might be okay to reveal. I believe that selling magic is even worse than utube tutorials.
@TheTimmayProductions Thanks for sharing your honest thoughts. Could you please elaborate why exactly you think selling magic is worse than making free online magic tutorials?
@808triumph1 It would be much better for both the success and mindset of the person in question and the art of magic if people would start off trying to fool others with non-magical challenges, and then continueing this by learning actual magic tricks a proper, ethical way.
It's really about free + online + magic. There are other ways to learn magic for free, for instance at libraries. The big difference is that it doesn't get rushed and that you don't lose control over it the 'offline' way.
@MarkHilkemeijer whoa, i just came back to this video and i don't know why i said that. But some free tutorials are okay, just a little sample. Mismag got me started with magic and i do know that revealing magic is bad but the magic he reveals is all extremely basic easy stuff. revealing basic stuff isn't all that bad. I don't approve of trickster AP revealing the classic pass and ego change. Those are not basic tricks that should be purchased
well the books in a library are free, or books in barnes and noble are free! some people such as myself are visual learners, it is much easier for me to watch a video, and learn than read a book and learn......and other magicians sell there tricks, just to become rich, you say don't reveal your tricks but if you want you can buy them, it doesn't make sense, your not fully right, this is just my opinion!
@way2fast4u38 I stand my point. Like you said, it is easier, but as magic should be an art of true dedication, it should not be easier.
Quality is much more important than quantity. It's the reason why lots of performing magicians don't have all that many sleights and tricks in their repertoires.
I do not agree with commercial magic selling (Theory 11, Ellusionist, etc) either. Yes, they indeed sell magic to become rich, but the true money in the art should be in performances instead.
lol I love the masked magician, he gets all the pretty ladies and knows how to do extreme tricks and then shows them to you in a funny way lol, it's not a pity, it's good television, but it is sad when you see a magician perform something that has been revealed to the entire public, why would you do that?
I don't see what's wrong with becoming a magician whilst starting with youtube tutorials. I've learned a lot of basic sleights and tricks from youtube tutorials which is information that normally wouldn't be easily accesible for me as I live in a small town without magic shops or circles or whatever else magic-related.
Also just to make it clear, I in no way call myself a magician, I'm just a guy who knows some card tricks.
@lulhoofd1 Bad excuse. There are quite some online stores, also here with us in the Netherlands, not to forget about hundreds of international magic stores.
When the basics are available for public, it ruins many more tricks because more advanced tricks use those basics too.
@talk14 But not like this though, because then it will be available for random laymen/spectators as well. The art of magic survived without free online magic tutorials as well.
2: Depends on the kind of magic you would like to do. For close-up magic it's a bad choice, but if you would like to do card manipulation I guess you could go for it, especially if you're really motivated because people who aren't motivated enough tend to give up on that kind of magic very easily.
Pretty much every way except for those free tutorials.
Watching a magic show and figuring out effects without needing any help, getting a magic box for your birthday and seriously playing with that, going to the library to read books to learn about the art, spending money in magic stores, etc.
As long as the right interest is there and it all comes from you. You could see this tutorial as a guide, you'll only have to turn it around as it's telling you "what not to do".
All I basically want to say is: you wouldn't need those tutorials to impress your friends and all these tutorials are just ruining the magic industry.
I only met one single person (out of hundreds) who got somewhere with those tutorials, and only because he had the passion and realized how bad those tutorials were so he went out there to start learning magic the right way.
hey but that's one guy out of hundreds who might not have gotten started at all unless he found that cool tutorial. All I'm saying is that while most of them are bad, some of them (like I stated before) are fine. The ones for the simple tricks that take 5 minutes to learn.
People are either gonna find a book of tricks or a video on youtube. Either that or they're just crazy and have no life and come up with these things all on their own from the start. You gotta start somewhere.
And true about that one guy, but I honestly think I'd rather have one less than a thousand too much who destroy the art.
The only kinds of 'magic' exposure I agree with are challenges (puzzles) and show-off (flourishes). Puzzles (like EricSurf6's) are pretty much thé replacements for magic tricks for non-magicians and they don't do any harm to anyone or anything.
The main problem is that most of the magic tutorials show the basic/main techniques. Blah.
alright here's my view on the online tutorials. I really don't have a problem with them. Here's why. For some people...they pick hobbies out of passion. Some play guitar because they love the way it sounds and love how it makes them feel when they play it and maybe they like to perform. Some pick magic because they have a passion for coming up with new ways to impress people or fool them with illusions. The magic for the magician is knowing something that no one else knows.
and those are the ppl who are going to be amazing at what they do.
Then there are the ppl who want to learn how to do a few tricks or play a few songs because they think it's cool and just want to impress ppl. These ppl will learn a few licks on the guitar or learn a few simple tricks and impress their friends but wont really go anywhere with it.
AND THEN, there are the few of those that start out just wanting to impress ppl, but the passion grows and they soon begin expanding and ...cont'd
....and creating their own music or tricks from this new found passion and that's all thanks to the ppl who posted the tutorials. so it's not all bad.
If people choose to do magic because of the passion, they started the right way so that's all fine. But most of these people didn't want to know how it was done in the first place, so they don't have that passion.
"The magic for the magician is knowing something that no one else knows." That's very true, but how do those free online tutorials help with that?
All these spectators (friends) have to do is to look up magic on YouTube and they will know how that, and many other tricks are done...
...even if they just want to look up a performance, not the tutorial.
Also, magicians nowadays get heckled by people watching those tutorials because these hecklers have a basic knowledge ànd they it's okay to ruin it.
I even have people trying to force me to send them tutorials for my own tricks only because they think it's okay and the way it's supposed to be, giving away magic tutorials for free.
If it keeps increasing like this, people will have a hard time impressing others with magic.
yeah, i have to agree, it's gotta be pretty disheartening when a magician performs a great illusion and then finds the breakdown of the trick on the internets a week later. That's sad. But I still don't have a problem with tutorials for simple cards tricks or rope and knot tricks and stuff like that. Sometimes ppl just need a little help getting into it. But yeah I think the big tricks should be left alone. I don't wanna know how to make someone disappear unless I create the trick myself.
I agree ;) But at least he edited it down from 33 min to this 10... Lets just all ban together and Show all these morons who reveal magic just how we feel about them ;) KICK SOME ASS AND TAKE THEM DOWN! ;)
And at last I wanted to point out that interestingly enough most non-magicians tend to forget the secrets pretty quickly, even when they are told them. It is amazing to me, but I've seen this happen on numerous occasions. People are simply not keen on remembering and they are very likely to forget the secret even of a very cool trick.
But the entire point of magic is to create an aura of mystery, to hint at the possibility of what is happening is real. If you tip a method, it doesn't matter if the exact mechanics are recalled. It only matters that you could possibly have ruined magic as a whole for that person.
In the future, when that person watches a trick being performed, they may only be thinking of how it could be done. Remember, the whole point of magic is to create an illusion, not ruin it.
And I do not believe that only super talented guys should show magic. I mean, me and my friend have showed lots of card tricks to our friends and we also made up a very strong effect which made us a little popular in the neighbourhood. But we are not professionals. We had good presentation and some good time and we know lots of secrets, but we do not spread them around for the sake of our friends, whom we want to continue to entertain.
Tutorials are okay if they are showing some basic magic. I am not a professional magician, but I love doing tricks for my friends and I enjoy watching tutorials on very simple card tricks. Some of them are pretty clever, like magicalmaniac's videos, which are very good yet reveal no serious magic.
And as for serious magic... well, if people know the secret and do not perform the trick - then they've effectively lost the enjoyment. I do not think this is specifically about talent.
Well, I've found that actually not a lot of my spectators are that keen on actually knowing a secret. They might ask for it right after the show, but in several minutes their requests die out and some even say in the end that they do not really want to know cause it kills the fun. It depends on the people of course.
As for basics - I meant not things like color changes and card control, etc, but some basic tricks which work almost by themselves. It might get a person interested in magic.
I get your point. The only minor is that before those tutorials, magicians were able to give hecklers the deck/coins/whatever it is they did magic with, and ask them to do a trick themselves, which those hecklers would fail at. Nowadays that's a very risky way to handle hecklers because lots of them have actually seen some of those tutorials and might know a trick or two, even if it's just very basic and/or selfworking.
The art form. That is the most important thing I can think of when I watch this video. Sure, I can watch a thousand videos on how to play the piano, but until I actually sit down and play Rachmaninov I wouldn't call myself an artist.... At least not in the professional sense of the word. An artist knows MUCH more than the method behind the trick... A true magician, such as Mark, has the utmost talent, and would never share that for free with magic "tutorials" ...
2:45 - 2:51 "Also if you don't want to spend money on magic you should realize you aren't motivated enough, you aren't interested enough, uh, you don't have the right interest to do magic, so just don't do it."
Do you really believe that? Money does NOT show motivation. Practice shows motivation.
I think he says it correctely: ..if you don't -want- to spend money on magic.. . And you can not practise it if you didnt start doing it yet, not? I'm quite sure Mark was talking about the motivation to start doing magic, not doing it yet. Giving magic away for free really isn't a proper option.
All you need to buy is one deck of cards. If you are motivated and want to learn magic, there are hundreds of tutorials on shuffling, false cuts, double lifts, Elmsley counts and just about any sleight you want. If you are truly interested in magic you will keep practicing, and you can become very good without spending much money at all.
YouTube has changed the world.
You want to learn how to play the piano... for free?
to learn play piano you need a piano and you will be looking up the songs. people that play whatever tutorail comes in their way wont make it any far. that is what mark says but then with magic tutorials. you do not just need a deck of cards you need the right motivation and talent. looking at contests most people really dont and the people that do didnt begin magic like that.
now think of a magic trick like a piano piece. everyone can see and hear every note of it.... wait.. thats not right.... No.... Your metaphor fails.
People figure out tricks just so they know. People learn piano so they can play. The only way you can get satisfactory from music is by playing it yourself. But there is satisfactory in magic by just knowing. Online tutorials show people the secret. There is no secret in playing the piano.
You could be extremely motivated but still fail badly. But I definitely have to agree with you.
We've always had to deal with people who didn't realize they didn't have any talent, just like you have those at any other kind of art, but YouTube boosted it extremely. I don't think I've even seen one magician who started doing magic because of YouTube tutorials and who developed any good skills. Only this already proves YouTube tutorials are anything but working/helping/good/etc.
woah... this is great! I can tell that there are a lot of really young people commenting... lol let me just set things straight for my man Mark... Downloading free magic is wrong, Making "reveals" is wrong, Supporting people who reveal is wrong. A true Magician will shell out the Cash to learn his art. For One it Makes you respect it... If you pay for something you are way less likely to go and reveal it because you had to put your hard earned money into it... If you can't afford it then (cont.)
get you the cheaper stuff and work with that... Get books... they have tons of tricks and are pretty dang cheap for all the magic they contain.... If you can't afford $30 for a book containing over 300 tricks then i dont know how to help you... And I know someone is going to say "but those aren't good tricks" well you first need to learn those so that You can have a good foundation in your magic and know how to put tricks together not just what others put together... Start from the bottom (cont)
i respect ure point of view but i dont agree . because the only way to learn good magic is learning them from others. i know that youtube is much too public for that because everybody, doesnt matter if this person got the right attitude to magic, see these tutorials but anyway its elemtary to form some new magicians. i think andy field magic found a better way to teach magic. ofc its not perfect but much better then others do. But anyway i like ure tricks and moves and ill w8 for your next vid^^
Andy tries to protect magic in his own way and he's a pretty good magician and teacher.
The only thing is that he 'overteaches' (f.i. the 'Elmsley' and its contest which ended up having winners who had the most static and unnatural counts out there only because they followed exactly what Andy taught them.
One of the things I deleted from this video was that those tutorials will be immitated instead of that people make the tricks their own which also has to do with the motivation and talent.
Having said that, Andy's tutorials aren't any different from any other free online magic tutorial out there. Everything I said in this video still applies to him and his tutorials.
There is no actual way you can make a public online magic tutorial this video doesn't apply to. Of course you can use tutorials in a different application, f.i. to throw people off even more, but that obviously is a whole different story.
It seems many people are against me for some reason. I simply stated that I disagree with some of your views about the video.
I explained my reasoning in a logical, polite way but yet I'm being slightly targeted.
I am in no way supporting them but you are fighting a fight that is being lost. If you open up some eyes then good for you, it probably won't though. To many children will not look past their own ambitions of doing a neat card trick.
@MarkHilkemeijer This is for everybody wondering what was the deleted post.
It simply stated that your views on if they have interest then they should have the money. That's such a bold statement.
My friend who now performs as a full time job made 20k a year or less and had no expenses to pay for such things. So he got them pirated and some free tutorials.
He is a smart guy and learned what he liked and what the specs liked.
@MarkHilkemeijer People don't have money to spend, they aren't method seekers but simply magicians who don't have finances to learn.
Crazy good kids that have no access to a real library filled with magic books. No way to use a credit card, no magic shop but hey your SOL and you're screwed.
Please look back on the way you talk about those who aren't interested if they look for tutorials. You don't consider enough about exceptions and make to many absolutes in your video.
Oh, of course there are exceptions, always. But when you want to be a pianist but can't afford a piano or keyboard, you got to live with it, exception or not. And of course this video wasn't aimed at exceptions, that's why we actually call them 'exceptions' lol.
And sorry if you're feeling being targeted at, but looking back to you saying magicman4130 came up with a horrible excuse while what he said was more than valid to me makes me think you caused that yourself. Sorry.
he remove the tutorials after a few days. this way MR Random cant see the tutiorial when he tries to learn magic tricks. u have to be involved a bit in the magic-youtube-society. i said its not perfect its not even good but its better then mismag822 do it for example
The problem is that "Mr Random" already subscribed to him and so still sees every tutorial. He even gained thousands of subscribers ever since he said he was going to make tutorials so it's rather obvious those tutorials aren't that safe no more.
But indeed, it's certainly not as bad as the way Jay (mismag822) does it.
@MarkHilkemeijer Wow, you sir have some very flawed views. You contradict yourself in a way I have never seen.
So it's okay to work for your free magic by downloading a program and being able to find it. Yet it's not okay to get it quicker and free?
If your specs are looking up the youtube stuff then you can not perform well. I have had one possibly two people really put a hardcore search on my routines. Simply put they were also 12 years old who wanted to get into magic the wrong way.
I never contradicted myself. I never said piracy was okay, I only made clear it's a whole other thing you were talking about (till you removed that comment).
As long as it begins with you instead of those tutorials, you have the right motivation. That's all I'm saying.
The deleted post was just about how one of his friends is a great magician who made 20k and pirated magic back in the day because he couldn't afford to buy it. Nothing special (apart from that I wonder, what did he actually do with the 20k?).
The only bad thing is that MrJane33 makes it look like I don't know what I'm talking about. Ah well, as long as others understand what I'm saying I don't actually care.
I simply said that people don't just go running to the youtube page trying to find effects because they are simply curious. A few, very few will and it's fine.
However, people seem to think that you should delete these becuase??? if it's magicians then yes I agree. It seems to be the fact that specs are looking up the information and in that case it is the performers fault.
The post that was deleted was deleted on accident. I'll get it back up.
MrJane33, what is "a few, very few" except for an opinion? Of course, it's a huge minority, but in total it still are a lot of people who do so.
And spectators will always think there is an explanation for everything, may it be 'real magic' or not. There is a huge chance that those who know or might have heard that there are free tutorials on the internet will go look for them.
I just fail to see that. I mean, I have performed for so long and only a few people and I really mean about four or five have considered looking it up. They were in their teens.
People should believe they won't find it, why should they? You should give the impression it's your own material, everything you present it unique in every way.
If you can't accomplish that in your routines then something is wrong.
MrJane33, it's very easy to find out a trick's name just by googling what you witnessed as a spectator.
And pirated tutorials are really different from the free online tutorials I'm talking about in this video. First, they don't just come to you automatically. And second, they in general include good teaching. Still, I have to disagree with simply because the artist doesn't get paid for his work, unless you would pay him back later.
never really bothered to watch the "no tutorials" videos but since yours was different... I did. haha glad I did. Didn't change much in me but still it was enlightening.
i agree with everything.magic is an artform in which limitless creativity can produce drastic results.the worst thing is that after performing magic at an event or party people are genuinely blown away and then they come back the next few days saying they looked it up on youtube and found out how i did it. that feeling they had of wonder and excitement is gone forever.
MrJane33, I disagree on that. It's one of the things I explained in this video, though, I cut the part that went deeper into that.
One of the things is that when people watch a trick on YouTube which shows tutorials in the related video section, they are 'unintentionally forced' to watch those. "Why would anyone upload such a video other than for people to watch?"
Also, laymen think they only need to know the basics to be able to figure out every trick, or at least to come up with theories.
@MarkHilkemeijer You can disagree that's fine, but most kids doing magic now unfortuntately put no real substance behind it.
I did not watch all of this because I can barely understand you. Nothing against you but I have no plans on listening to someone else talking about something that will not be stopped anytime soon.
Also, many of the videos are like Control Revealed or something. How would the specs know what to look up?
@MrJane33 ricky jay is the man good sir.his presentation and magic is truly remarkable. the reason why people look up online what they've seen is because they have been struck in such a way by what they've seen that they absolutely must know how. ive had spectators run away from me or leave the room shaking.its how you present what you do and i feel i've done good so far.
@magicman4130 I'm sorry but that is a horrible excuse. People should believe there is no explanation, and if they try to look it up then you failed a bit.
I can tell by your username you are a younger individual. If you don't mind telling me what sort of audience you perform for regularly. School most likely with your peers.
@MrJane33 listen dude im not going to get into an online battle with you.you are entitled to your opinion.you should apply your thinking and do some research before you make a claim that i'm a 'younger individual'. doesnt matter what a username says.people can find out anything they want online guy.anything. and i perform for anyone.proffesionally, i perform for adults( i.e,weddings, banquets), companies looking to create advertisement for their events or stores by attracting the general public.
I did make a bold sort of statement and I apologize. I see many teens using that same sort of name and with just some numbers.
This is not a battle, simply stating that how many adults do you know looking up effects online because they want to know how to do it?
It's as simple as that, kids will go look it up because they are overrun with curiousity. I do hope you understand where I am coming from, as my message seems to have be misunderstood somewhere, fine if you dont respond
Very well said and presented. And yes it is harsh, but the truth isn't meant to be soft and nice and easy. More people need to watch and understand this video.
AMEN BROTHER! I was the first to watch but i didnt comment... I just posted my video response to it... anyways here is my comment! I hope that all those who reveal publicly gets what they have coming to them... That is Every REAL magician in the world teaming up to take their you know what down! Thanks for putting this video up (finally gosh i've been telling you to put this up for how long now???) lol keep it real bro!
So i wont lie i started magic because of youtube but i have also found a true passion for the art and fir collecting cards. I have devoted the last four years to card magic. So for him to say i will go nowhere kinda hurts. U can learn magic from anywhere but u must also have a passion for the art form. Learning magic on youtube isnt always bad. But learning it fir the wrong reasons deff is
bakert4 1 month ago
@bakert4 Like I mentioned, there are exceptions. The vast majority of people who learn magic from YouTube exposure and tutorials are not passionate about the art at all though, and I hope you can agree with that. They used to be spectators who did run into those videos accidentally, and now think they can call themselves magicians for being able to do some tricks, without even performing them. It's great that at least you have passion for it.
mysterymark 1 month ago
This is all so grey, & there's too many exceptions for one consistent answer.
Blueforce707 1 month ago
Hi mark, you say that talent is set by big crowds and not by family or friends.
I was just wondering why you haven't posted any videos of you performing any of your creations to crowds.
If I knew, and mastered, 'The Phantom' or 'the flash' I would be performing it to anyone I could as they are brilliant tricks.
My point is that you seem to create a lot of effects and perform them on your own in front of a camera. I would say to be a magician the last place you should show them is on the internet
monkeygj 3 months ago
@monkeygj Funny enough that's exactly what we do too. All of our tricks are done live first (in real life and in videochat sessions) before they get uploaded here. You would've known if you would have known us longer because we used to have live performances on here.
Reason why we don't have this anymore is because live performances of street magic are watched for the reactions, not for the magic. And for potential live audiences watching our videos it would spoil the experience completely too.
mysterymark 3 months ago
In this video you just show people who want to become magicians, that they can't be magicians, that they shouldn't reveal tricks. It's meanly in my opinion
12SaiNt21 3 months ago
@12SaiNt21 Not at all. I just tell how people who didn't want to become magicians end up becoming that (and mostly terrible ones for that matter). Those who make free exposure don't realize the impact they have and have had on the art and its quality.
Before such exposure, there still were magicians... and those who really wanted to become one, did. But nowadays it are mostly laymen who had no intention to do magic themselves, who end up doing it, and that is plain wrong and bad for the art.
mysterymark 3 months ago
It's alot of hard work, so I admire you for your hard work!
SeeEssThree 3 months ago
Personally, I don't think that talent exists. Everything is simply hard work, and everyone has to start somewhere, it's not like you can just start and become and instant Vernon.
fizaanTech 7 months ago
@fizaanTech I agree on the becoming-an-instant-Vernon statement, but I definitely think that talent exists, simply because some people will have to work a whooole lot harder to get there than others. Those others I call talented.
Either way, free online magic tutorials don't quite stimulate hard work. =(
mysterymark 6 months ago
@razzimagic check the all the comments...
TarunKapoor2 9 months ago
ur telling me i need a lot of tricks but theory11, ellusionist and dan and dave are telling me to not learn 1 trick. perfect it then go on to another trick and i think ill listen 2 them
ikmagic123 9 months ago
8:20 unsubed fuck you. oh yeah i didnt butt..
i think your doing a lot of inside boasting in this video
but sell a trick for what 10-20$ is just stupid ? yeah u make some cash but its seems wrong.
and from your veiw is it 'bad' if i create a trick sleights and all then reaveal it to my friend (he doesnt upload or anything?
thanks.
docmagic1 1 year ago
@docmagic1 You missed something. This video didn't aim towards you as you don't have any magic tricks tutorials uploaded.
Also, I clearly said that if you created the sleights yourself, there is nothing wrong with it.
It's not that the tricks that you find overpriced will be saving your life or carreer or anything. If you don't want to pay that much nor are able to contact the magician and make a good deal with him (many close-up magicians are friendly enough for that), then just don't get it.
mysterymark 1 year ago
i am its my point of view being shared and put across i actually love your channle i think everything you do is amazing, however for you to sit there and tell other people that there pretty much shit because of doing somthing that is different is not nice..And you can borrow magic books from the libary for free so its open information, hope you reply, sorry about the spelling mistakes, much love chris.
MrChrisismagic 1 year ago
@MrChrisismagic Thank you for your honest comment. However, by making free online magic tutorials you show no respect towards the inventors, the magic community and the art itself.
Not everyone on this planet believes or wants to believe that magic isn't real. By saying that it's fake, you are by no meaning a magician, and you even say so yourself. Why not allowing people to think of the art whatever they want? And why making tutorials of tricks which aren't your own?
mysterymark 1 year ago
I don't tell people that they are shit for doing something different, I tell people that they are shit for doing something disrespectful and even bad, as said in this video. A thief may think that stealing is fine, but that doesn't mean that it actually is.
By taking the time to go to a library shows that you are actually dedicated to learning the art. And a book on magic is not being shoved up your face like online magic tutorials.
mysterymark 1 year ago
would you class me as bad "illusionist" because i post tutorials? lets face it "magic" is not real, i for one am very passionet about card "magic" i was infatuated with wanting to know how card tricks where done and i dont care if im not amazing or popular because i get better with every card trick i practice, and in response to what you say about stealing nearly every single trick that is made now is a veriation of a trick done years and years ago, im not having a go please do not think..
MrChrisismagic 1 year ago
Selling magic doesn't preserve the art. It stops and discourages people from continuing it.
MegaSuperSpiderman 1 year ago
@MegaSuperSpiderman Free tutorials don't preserve the art. They stop and discourage actual magicians from continuing. Would you like magic to be done by noobs, and noobs only? ;)
No, but seriously, your comment isn't based on any ground of truth. The art was preserved for a loooong time without there being free tutorials, and definitely none available for the big public or to laymen.
mysterymark 1 year ago
If you are so against tutorials on youtube and telling people who do free tutorials arent magicians and have no skill what so ever. Why is Albert Victoria,TricksterAp, on dark sleight, but he gives out free online tutorials. I love to watch them. But still you are sounding like a hypocrite .
Lite0utTorch 1 year ago
@Lite0utTorch There are exceptions, and Albert is one of them. He actually makes magic tutorials for a whole different purpose than other people on here. He actually makes them because there are so many crappy tutorials by talentless people on the internet that he got annoyed by that and took his time to make good tutorials so that beginner magicians wouldn't learn those effects a wrong way.
Still, when we asked him to join our team we made some deals about making free magic tutorials. =)
mysterymark 1 year ago
I think stuff like the phumb fan bottom deal (i) etc should be allowed to have tutorials. But things like the Carnahan fan, Deja Vu and everything the original creator of the move either has copyright rights to or simply doesn't want it to be revealed shouldn't. This can be from Dan and Dave, Steve Forte etc to a magician wanting to show their new move and not for it to be revealed. But traditional techniques as those mentioned (i) should be taught by those willing to and its an important point.
andmarkcg 1 year ago
@andmarkcg Although the 'Thumb Fan' and 'Carnahan Fan' aren't magical sleights, I see what you are coming from and I absolutely agree 100%. Would you approve what I said in the video? Because it seems like it goes along with your statement very well.
mysterymark 1 year ago
@mysterymark I agree with pretty much all you said in the video, but I disagree with your point on talent. Most (perhaps all) magicians have started off bad, but those withe the motivation and desire will practise and most (probably all) of this group of people will end off better than they started and be better magicians. Einstein started Science without much prior knowledge of it, and became probably the most influential scientist of the 20th century. Other than that I agree with you.
andmarkcg 1 year ago
@andmarkcg Thank you.
As for talent, I guess these are just the ways we personally look at it.
Because I'm originally a musician and I see that some people will never be able to for instance play the piano properly, no matter how hard they'd try, I see talent as something you are born with or not.
A lot of the YouTube magicians can practise whatever they want, but in the end when they f.i. finally mastered a sleight, they cannot perform it properly due to the lack of the talent for performing.
mysterymark 1 year ago
@mysterymark I'm unsure really, practise really does help improve one's skill (yourself being a musician and magician will probably know that) whether you're talented or not. But it's true that a "talented" person will learn more quickly than a, not so gifted person. But altogether it's not too bad to have bad magicians as:
If they're enjoying doing it and not harming anyone, what's wrong with that?
They help magic grow.
And masters of the art become more appreciated from and by these people.
andmarkcg 1 year ago
i believe anything that aren't groundbreaking techniques or tricks that don't use extremely hard and sacred tehcniques should be revealed on youtube to draw in new talents and magicians, i also agree with the point that true art shouldn't be made easy, but free youtube vids are for beginners, if you want to be a pro, buy the secret from every source you can find( that's what i did), i'm not biased on one side because i think learning from reading and seeing are both necessaary
CopyCat1995 1 year ago
@CopyCat1995 Thank you for your honest opinion and for sharing pretty good and valid points.
The only problem I have with it is that most of the groundbreaking techniques, tricks and routines rely on 'simple' techniques, the techniques that are actually being exposed the most on the internet. So by revealing those, people expose a lot more than should be exposed and give every randomer access to the groundbreaking tricks too.
mysterymark 1 year ago
if you wanna be a magician, just go to Hogwart
RookieN08 1 year ago
this is so true
i learn all my tricks from youtube and i seriously have no control.....
RookieN08 1 year ago
If you wanna learn magic for free...... just watch a magic performance video more than 100times....you will definitely figure it out how its done.
RookieN08 1 year ago
i think some magic can be revealed on u tube but not everything. The amazing trick that u made that is incredibly spectactular shouldn't be revealed but the okay trick that isn't ur favorite might be okay to reveal. I believe that selling magic is even worse than utube tutorials.
TheTimmayProductions 1 year ago
@TheTimmayProductions Thanks for sharing your honest thoughts. Could you please elaborate why exactly you think selling magic is worse than making free online magic tutorials?
MarkHilkemeijer 1 year ago
@MarkHilkemeijer why not start out with tricks you learned for free and see if you really want to do magic?
808triumph1 1 year ago
@808triumph1 It would be much better for both the success and mindset of the person in question and the art of magic if people would start off trying to fool others with non-magical challenges, and then continueing this by learning actual magic tricks a proper, ethical way.
It's really about free + online + magic. There are other ways to learn magic for free, for instance at libraries. The big difference is that it doesn't get rushed and that you don't lose control over it the 'offline' way.
mysterymark 1 year ago
@MarkHilkemeijer whoa, i just came back to this video and i don't know why i said that. But some free tutorials are okay, just a little sample. Mismag got me started with magic and i do know that revealing magic is bad but the magic he reveals is all extremely basic easy stuff. revealing basic stuff isn't all that bad. I don't approve of trickster AP revealing the classic pass and ego change. Those are not basic tricks that should be purchased
TheTimmayProductions 9 months ago
agreed
Mr92aceofspades92 1 year ago
well the books in a library are free, or books in barnes and noble are free! some people such as myself are visual learners, it is much easier for me to watch a video, and learn than read a book and learn......and other magicians sell there tricks, just to become rich, you say don't reveal your tricks but if you want you can buy them, it doesn't make sense, your not fully right, this is just my opinion!
way2fast4u38 1 year ago
@way2fast4u38 I stand my point. Like you said, it is easier, but as magic should be an art of true dedication, it should not be easier.
Quality is much more important than quantity. It's the reason why lots of performing magicians don't have all that many sleights and tricks in their repertoires.
I do not agree with commercial magic selling (Theory 11, Ellusionist, etc) either. Yes, they indeed sell magic to become rich, but the true money in the art should be in performances instead.
MarkHilkemeijer 1 year ago
I'm started with magic cause i saw mismag but now i HATE tutorials on youtube!
FrankysMagicStuff 1 year ago
loved it, very well done.
jimmygee5 1 year ago
Well said mate.
CardArchmage 1 year ago
lol I love the masked magician, he gets all the pretty ladies and knows how to do extreme tricks and then shows them to you in a funny way lol, it's not a pity, it's good television, but it is sad when you see a magician perform something that has been revealed to the entire public, why would you do that?
XxOffTonexX 1 year ago
@XxOffTonexX Is the question why the Masked Magician reveals it, or why magicians perform something that the Masked Magician revealed?
mysterymark 1 year ago
I don't see what's wrong with becoming a magician whilst starting with youtube tutorials. I've learned a lot of basic sleights and tricks from youtube tutorials which is information that normally wouldn't be easily accesible for me as I live in a small town without magic shops or circles or whatever else magic-related.
Also just to make it clear, I in no way call myself a magician, I'm just a guy who knows some card tricks.
lulhoofd1 1 year ago
@lulhoofd1 Bad excuse. There are quite some online stores, also here with us in the Netherlands, not to forget about hundreds of international magic stores.
When the basics are available for public, it ruins many more tricks because more advanced tricks use those basics too.
mysterymark 1 year ago
thats the hole point of magic to pase it on!!!
talk14 1 year ago
@talk14 But not like this though, because then it will be available for random laymen/spectators as well. The art of magic survived without free online magic tutorials as well.
mysterymark 1 year ago
Very good points :)
JokerVBA 1 year ago
Nice :)
ProfiMagician 1 year ago
Some great words are in this video... I am supporting you
BlackMagicCurse 1 year ago
Some great words are in this video... I am supporting you
BlackMagicCurse 1 year ago
HARRY POTTER CAN DO MAGIC SO CAN I
kaihimura 2 years ago
mark i have a few questions more,
1: are you from holland, so my to:P
2: do you know the dvd "the art of card manipulation by jeff mcbride" is a good dvd to start with?
spafruit1 2 years ago
1: Haha, jep dat ben ik inderdaad.
2: Depends on the kind of magic you would like to do. For close-up magic it's a bad choice, but if you would like to do card manipulation I guess you could go for it, especially if you're really motivated because people who aren't motivated enough tend to give up on that kind of magic very easily.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
k tnx, btw je magic is echt onbegrijpelijk goed:P
spafruit1 2 years ago
Aww, heel erg bedankt!!! Hoop dat ik je nog een behoorlijke tijd kan vermaken! ^^
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
witch do you think is the right way to start with magic ?
spafruit1 2 years ago
Pretty much every way except for those free tutorials.
Watching a magic show and figuring out effects without needing any help, getting a magic box for your birthday and seriously playing with that, going to the library to read books to learn about the art, spending money in magic stores, etc.
As long as the right interest is there and it all comes from you. You could see this tutorial as a guide, you'll only have to turn it around as it's telling you "what not to do".
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
All I basically want to say is: you wouldn't need those tutorials to impress your friends and all these tutorials are just ruining the magic industry.
I only met one single person (out of hundreds) who got somewhere with those tutorials, and only because he had the passion and realized how bad those tutorials were so he went out there to start learning magic the right way.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
hey but that's one guy out of hundreds who might not have gotten started at all unless he found that cool tutorial. All I'm saying is that while most of them are bad, some of them (like I stated before) are fine. The ones for the simple tricks that take 5 minutes to learn.
People are either gonna find a book of tricks or a video on youtube. Either that or they're just crazy and have no life and come up with these things all on their own from the start. You gotta start somewhere.
kruegda 2 years ago
oops, i don't know if my other two comments got posted.
anyways, I really like your post-it trick. I've been trying to figure that one out for like an hour now.
and don't worry. If I do eventually figure it out, I promise to respect your work and will not post a video online exposing your secret.
kruegda 2 years ago
Haha, I appreciate that a lot!!
And true about that one guy, but I honestly think I'd rather have one less than a thousand too much who destroy the art.
The only kinds of 'magic' exposure I agree with are challenges (puzzles) and show-off (flourishes). Puzzles (like EricSurf6's) are pretty much thé replacements for magic tricks for non-magicians and they don't do any harm to anyone or anything.
The main problem is that most of the magic tutorials show the basic/main techniques. Blah.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
alright here's my view on the online tutorials. I really don't have a problem with them. Here's why. For some people...they pick hobbies out of passion. Some play guitar because they love the way it sounds and love how it makes them feel when they play it and maybe they like to perform. Some pick magic because they have a passion for coming up with new ways to impress people or fool them with illusions. The magic for the magician is knowing something that no one else knows.
kruegda 2 years ago
and those are the ppl who are going to be amazing at what they do.
Then there are the ppl who want to learn how to do a few tricks or play a few songs because they think it's cool and just want to impress ppl. These ppl will learn a few licks on the guitar or learn a few simple tricks and impress their friends but wont really go anywhere with it.
AND THEN, there are the few of those that start out just wanting to impress ppl, but the passion grows and they soon begin expanding and ...cont'd
kruegda 2 years ago
....and creating their own music or tricks from this new found passion and that's all thanks to the ppl who posted the tutorials. so it's not all bad.
kruegda 2 years ago
If people choose to do magic because of the passion, they started the right way so that's all fine. But most of these people didn't want to know how it was done in the first place, so they don't have that passion.
"The magic for the magician is knowing something that no one else knows." That's very true, but how do those free online tutorials help with that?
All these spectators (friends) have to do is to look up magic on YouTube and they will know how that, and many other tricks are done...
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
...even if they just want to look up a performance, not the tutorial.
Also, magicians nowadays get heckled by people watching those tutorials because these hecklers have a basic knowledge ànd they it's okay to ruin it.
I even have people trying to force me to send them tutorials for my own tricks only because they think it's okay and the way it's supposed to be, giving away magic tutorials for free.
If it keeps increasing like this, people will have a hard time impressing others with magic.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
yeah, i have to agree, it's gotta be pretty disheartening when a magician performs a great illusion and then finds the breakdown of the trick on the internets a week later. That's sad. But I still don't have a problem with tutorials for simple cards tricks or rope and knot tricks and stuff like that. Sometimes ppl just need a little help getting into it. But yeah I think the big tricks should be left alone. I don't wanna know how to make someone disappear unless I create the trick myself.
kruegda 2 years ago
I agree with your arguments and basis on why tutorials are 'bad', but there's only one thing that I can say about this video.
The presentation was bad and wasn't able to keep my attention, though that may have only been me. Still, I sympathize with what you are saying.
XegnoPure 2 years ago
I agree ;) But at least he edited it down from 33 min to this 10... Lets just all ban together and Show all these morons who reveal magic just how we feel about them ;) KICK SOME ASS AND TAKE THEM DOWN! ;)
MagicMalachi 2 years ago
And at last I wanted to point out that interestingly enough most non-magicians tend to forget the secrets pretty quickly, even when they are told them. It is amazing to me, but I've seen this happen on numerous occasions. People are simply not keen on remembering and they are very likely to forget the secret even of a very cool trick.
LouigiVerona 2 years ago
But the entire point of magic is to create an aura of mystery, to hint at the possibility of what is happening is real. If you tip a method, it doesn't matter if the exact mechanics are recalled. It only matters that you could possibly have ruined magic as a whole for that person.
In the future, when that person watches a trick being performed, they may only be thinking of how it could be done. Remember, the whole point of magic is to create an illusion, not ruin it.
RottenMagic 2 years ago
And I do not believe that only super talented guys should show magic. I mean, me and my friend have showed lots of card tricks to our friends and we also made up a very strong effect which made us a little popular in the neighbourhood. But we are not professionals. We had good presentation and some good time and we know lots of secrets, but we do not spread them around for the sake of our friends, whom we want to continue to entertain.
LouigiVerona 2 years ago
Tutorials are okay if they are showing some basic magic. I am not a professional magician, but I love doing tricks for my friends and I enjoy watching tutorials on very simple card tricks. Some of them are pretty clever, like magicalmaniac's videos, which are very good yet reveal no serious magic.
And as for serious magic... well, if people know the secret and do not perform the trick - then they've effectively lost the enjoyment. I do not think this is specifically about talent.
LouigiVerona 2 years ago
i think tuts of basics is much more dangerous then tuts for unique and special tricks cause most magic can be figure out when knowing the basics.
talent is not being a profesional. you and your friend are talented if you have good presentation
and if people forget how it was done they still know where to look for it.
etvoilaetoi 2 years ago
Well, I've found that actually not a lot of my spectators are that keen on actually knowing a secret. They might ask for it right after the show, but in several minutes their requests die out and some even say in the end that they do not really want to know cause it kills the fun. It depends on the people of course.
As for basics - I meant not things like color changes and card control, etc, but some basic tricks which work almost by themselves. It might get a person interested in magic.
LouigiVerona 2 years ago
I get your point. The only minor is that before those tutorials, magicians were able to give hecklers the deck/coins/whatever it is they did magic with, and ask them to do a trick themselves, which those hecklers would fail at. Nowadays that's a very risky way to handle hecklers because lots of them have actually seen some of those tutorials and might know a trick or two, even if it's just very basic and/or selfworking.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
The art form. That is the most important thing I can think of when I watch this video. Sure, I can watch a thousand videos on how to play the piano, but until I actually sit down and play Rachmaninov I wouldn't call myself an artist.... At least not in the professional sense of the word. An artist knows MUCH more than the method behind the trick... A true magician, such as Mark, has the utmost talent, and would never share that for free with magic "tutorials" ...
Jarmer 2 years ago
Hi Mark. I seriously considered making a tutorial on your "smooth."
My tutorial would involve mirrors, a rubber band, and a gravity machine.
How do you feel about fake tutorials?
deanmat 2 years ago
I think fake tutorials are great as long as they don't include basics used in any other tricks.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
2:45 - 2:51 "Also if you don't want to spend money on magic you should realize you aren't motivated enough, you aren't interested enough, uh, you don't have the right interest to do magic, so just don't do it."
Do you really believe that? Money does NOT show motivation. Practice shows motivation.
mismag822 2 years ago
I think he says it correctely: ..if you don't -want- to spend money on magic.. . And you can not practise it if you didnt start doing it yet, not? I'm quite sure Mark was talking about the motivation to start doing magic, not doing it yet. Giving magic away for free really isn't a proper option.
Druggedfox 2 years ago
All you need to buy is one deck of cards. If you are motivated and want to learn magic, there are hundreds of tutorials on shuffling, false cuts, double lifts, Elmsley counts and just about any sleight you want. If you are truly interested in magic you will keep practicing, and you can become very good without spending much money at all.
YouTube has changed the world.
You want to learn how to play the piano... for free?
It's right here on Youtube.
mismag822 2 years ago
to learn play piano you need a piano and you will be looking up the songs. people that play whatever tutorail comes in their way wont make it any far. that is what mark says but then with magic tutorials. you do not just need a deck of cards you need the right motivation and talent. looking at contests most people really dont and the people that do didnt begin magic like that.
etvoilaetoi 2 years ago
Most magicians did not start by learning magic on YouTube because YouTube wasn't around when they started.
Think of the deck of cards as your piano. Although it's much cheaper it's still all you need to PRACTICE.
There's a lot more personal satisfaction when you can become great on your own... without spending a lot of money.
mismag822 2 years ago
i think mark cleary explains they dont become "great on your own" and he never says they have to spend a lot of money.
etvoilaetoi 2 years ago
now think of a magic trick like a piano piece. everyone can see and hear every note of it.... wait.. thats not right.... No.... Your metaphor fails.
People figure out tricks just so they know. People learn piano so they can play. The only way you can get satisfactory from music is by playing it yourself. But there is satisfactory in magic by just knowing. Online tutorials show people the secret. There is no secret in playing the piano.
subtleteyes 2 years ago
"Most magicians did not start by learning magic on YouTube because YouTube wasn't around when they started."
now think! those who started by learning magic on YouTube are horrible at it so it proves the point right there!
etvoilaetoi 2 years ago
"Do you really believe that? Money does NOT show motivation. Practice shows motivation. "
Touche... Wheres your motivation at? not seeing it.
subtleteyes 2 years ago
I'm trying... but thanks for watching my videos.
mismag822 2 years ago
dude youre a grown ass man. why are you spending your time making you tube tutorials
subtleteyes 2 years ago
I agree. I think Mark's perspective is different than most for 2 reasons:
1. He has money.
2. And, he wants to sell magic effects.
I think SKILL shows motivation. If you are highly motivated, you will become great, even if you don't have a cent.
If someone is extremely motivated, they will go to any cost to acquire skill/effect. And sometimes, that might even include......buying the secret.
deanmat 2 years ago
You could be extremely motivated but still fail badly. But I definitely have to agree with you.
We've always had to deal with people who didn't realize they didn't have any talent, just like you have those at any other kind of art, but YouTube boosted it extremely. I don't think I've even seen one magician who started doing magic because of YouTube tutorials and who developed any good skills. Only this already proves YouTube tutorials are anything but working/helping/good/etc.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
woah... this is great! I can tell that there are a lot of really young people commenting... lol let me just set things straight for my man Mark... Downloading free magic is wrong, Making "reveals" is wrong, Supporting people who reveal is wrong. A true Magician will shell out the Cash to learn his art. For One it Makes you respect it... If you pay for something you are way less likely to go and reveal it because you had to put your hard earned money into it... If you can't afford it then (cont.)
MagicMalachi 2 years ago
get you the cheaper stuff and work with that... Get books... they have tons of tricks and are pretty dang cheap for all the magic they contain.... If you can't afford $30 for a book containing over 300 tricks then i dont know how to help you... And I know someone is going to say "but those aren't good tricks" well you first need to learn those so that You can have a good foundation in your magic and know how to put tricks together not just what others put together... Start from the bottom (cont)
MagicMalachi 2 years ago
and work your way up... thats what i did and i haven't ran into any problems ;)
MagicMalachi 2 years ago
@MagicMalachi If possible read one of my replies to Mark, explaining a bit about the last part.
MrJane33 2 years ago
i respect ure point of view but i dont agree . because the only way to learn good magic is learning them from others. i know that youtube is much too public for that because everybody, doesnt matter if this person got the right attitude to magic, see these tutorials but anyway its elemtary to form some new magicians. i think andy field magic found a better way to teach magic. ofc its not perfect but much better then others do. But anyway i like ure tricks and moves and ill w8 for your next vid^^
KuBiRahMa 2 years ago
what exactly makes andys way of teaching better?
etvoilaetoi 2 years ago
Andy tries to protect magic in his own way and he's a pretty good magician and teacher.
The only thing is that he 'overteaches' (f.i. the 'Elmsley' and its contest which ended up having winners who had the most static and unnatural counts out there only because they followed exactly what Andy taught them.
One of the things I deleted from this video was that those tutorials will be immitated instead of that people make the tricks their own which also has to do with the motivation and talent.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
Having said that, Andy's tutorials aren't any different from any other free online magic tutorial out there. Everything I said in this video still applies to him and his tutorials.
There is no actual way you can make a public online magic tutorial this video doesn't apply to. Of course you can use tutorials in a different application, f.i. to throw people off even more, but that obviously is a whole different story.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
@MarkHilkemeijer
It seems many people are against me for some reason. I simply stated that I disagree with some of your views about the video.
I explained my reasoning in a logical, polite way but yet I'm being slightly targeted.
I am in no way supporting them but you are fighting a fight that is being lost. If you open up some eyes then good for you, it probably won't though. To many children will not look past their own ambitions of doing a neat card trick.
MrJane33 2 years ago
@MarkHilkemeijer This is for everybody wondering what was the deleted post.
It simply stated that your views on if they have interest then they should have the money. That's such a bold statement.
My friend who now performs as a full time job made 20k a year or less and had no expenses to pay for such things. So he got them pirated and some free tutorials.
He is a smart guy and learned what he liked and what the specs liked.
MrJane33 2 years ago
@MarkHilkemeijer People don't have money to spend, they aren't method seekers but simply magicians who don't have finances to learn.
Crazy good kids that have no access to a real library filled with magic books. No way to use a credit card, no magic shop but hey your SOL and you're screwed.
Please look back on the way you talk about those who aren't interested if they look for tutorials. You don't consider enough about exceptions and make to many absolutes in your video.
MrJane33 2 years ago
Oh, of course there are exceptions, always. But when you want to be a pianist but can't afford a piano or keyboard, you got to live with it, exception or not. And of course this video wasn't aimed at exceptions, that's why we actually call them 'exceptions' lol.
And sorry if you're feeling being targeted at, but looking back to you saying magicman4130 came up with a horrible excuse while what he said was more than valid to me makes me think you caused that yourself. Sorry.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
he remove the tutorials after a few days. this way MR Random cant see the tutiorial when he tries to learn magic tricks. u have to be involved a bit in the magic-youtube-society. i said its not perfect its not even good but its better then mismag822 do it for example
KuBiRahMa 2 years ago
Agreed.
The problem is that "Mr Random" already subscribed to him and so still sees every tutorial. He even gained thousands of subscribers ever since he said he was going to make tutorials so it's rather obvious those tutorials aren't that safe no more.
But indeed, it's certainly not as bad as the way Jay (mismag822) does it.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
@MarkHilkemeijer Wow, you sir have some very flawed views. You contradict yourself in a way I have never seen.
So it's okay to work for your free magic by downloading a program and being able to find it. Yet it's not okay to get it quicker and free?
If your specs are looking up the youtube stuff then you can not perform well. I have had one possibly two people really put a hardcore search on my routines. Simply put they were also 12 years old who wanted to get into magic the wrong way.
MrJane33 2 years ago
I never contradicted myself. I never said piracy was okay, I only made clear it's a whole other thing you were talking about (till you removed that comment).
As long as it begins with you instead of those tutorials, you have the right motivation. That's all I'm saying.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
wow looks like you got some issues Mrjane33. i read everything over and over but you really lost yourself and try to blame others.
but maybe its because i dont know what was in the deleted post?
etvoilaetoi 2 years ago
The deleted post was just about how one of his friends is a great magician who made 20k and pirated magic back in the day because he couldn't afford to buy it. Nothing special (apart from that I wonder, what did he actually do with the 20k?).
The only bad thing is that MrJane33 makes it look like I don't know what I'm talking about. Ah well, as long as others understand what I'm saying I don't actually care.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
@etvoilaetoi When did I blame others?
I simply said that people don't just go running to the youtube page trying to find effects because they are simply curious. A few, very few will and it's fine.
However, people seem to think that you should delete these becuase??? if it's magicians then yes I agree. It seems to be the fact that specs are looking up the information and in that case it is the performers fault.
The post that was deleted was deleted on accident. I'll get it back up.
MrJane33 2 years ago
MrJane33, what is "a few, very few" except for an opinion? Of course, it's a huge minority, but in total it still are a lot of people who do so.
And spectators will always think there is an explanation for everything, may it be 'real magic' or not. There is a huge chance that those who know or might have heard that there are free tutorials on the internet will go look for them.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
@MarkHilkemeijer
I just fail to see that. I mean, I have performed for so long and only a few people and I really mean about four or five have considered looking it up. They were in their teens.
People should believe they won't find it, why should they? You should give the impression it's your own material, everything you present it unique in every way.
If you can't accomplish that in your routines then something is wrong.
MrJane33 2 years ago
MrJane33, it's very easy to find out a trick's name just by googling what you witnessed as a spectator.
And pirated tutorials are really different from the free online tutorials I'm talking about in this video. First, they don't just come to you automatically. And second, they in general include good teaching. Still, I have to disagree with simply because the artist doesn't get paid for his work, unless you would pay him back later.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
great video mark.
never really bothered to watch the "no tutorials" videos but since yours was different... I did. haha glad I did. Didn't change much in me but still it was enlightening.
subtleteyes 2 years ago
MISMAG822 SUCK!
DevinmagicTV 2 years ago
Excellent video! But it needs more views!
Druggedfox 2 years ago
i agree with everything.magic is an artform in which limitless creativity can produce drastic results.the worst thing is that after performing magic at an event or party people are genuinely blown away and then they come back the next few days saying they looked it up on youtube and found out how i did it. that feeling they had of wonder and excitement is gone forever.
magicman4130 2 years ago
@magicman4130 This just means you didn't do a very good job. Not being mean, just understand that they didn't take you very serious for some reason.
Ex. Ricky Jay, how many people go out and look up his stuff just trying to "figure it out."
MrJane33 2 years ago
MrJane33, I disagree on that. It's one of the things I explained in this video, though, I cut the part that went deeper into that.
One of the things is that when people watch a trick on YouTube which shows tutorials in the related video section, they are 'unintentionally forced' to watch those. "Why would anyone upload such a video other than for people to watch?"
Also, laymen think they only need to know the basics to be able to figure out every trick, or at least to come up with theories.
MarkHilkemeijer 2 years ago
@MarkHilkemeijer You can disagree that's fine, but most kids doing magic now unfortuntately put no real substance behind it.
I did not watch all of this because I can barely understand you. Nothing against you but I have no plans on listening to someone else talking about something that will not be stopped anytime soon.
Also, many of the videos are like Control Revealed or something. How would the specs know what to look up?
MrJane33 2 years ago
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MrJane33 2 years ago
@MrJane33 ricky jay is the man good sir.his presentation and magic is truly remarkable. the reason why people look up online what they've seen is because they have been struck in such a way by what they've seen that they absolutely must know how. ive had spectators run away from me or leave the room shaking.its how you present what you do and i feel i've done good so far.
magicman4130 2 years ago
@magicman4130 I'm sorry but that is a horrible excuse. People should believe there is no explanation, and if they try to look it up then you failed a bit.
I can tell by your username you are a younger individual. If you don't mind telling me what sort of audience you perform for regularly. School most likely with your peers.
MrJane33 2 years ago
@MrJane33 listen dude im not going to get into an online battle with you.you are entitled to your opinion.you should apply your thinking and do some research before you make a claim that i'm a 'younger individual'. doesnt matter what a username says.people can find out anything they want online guy.anything. and i perform for anyone.proffesionally, i perform for adults( i.e,weddings, banquets), companies looking to create advertisement for their events or stores by attracting the general public.
magicman4130 2 years ago
@MrJane33 this is my last comment to you MrJane33.take care friend.
magicman4130 2 years ago
@magicman4130
I did make a bold sort of statement and I apologize. I see many teens using that same sort of name and with just some numbers.
This is not a battle, simply stating that how many adults do you know looking up effects online because they want to know how to do it?
It's as simple as that, kids will go look it up because they are overrun with curiousity. I do hope you understand where I am coming from, as my message seems to have be misunderstood somewhere, fine if you dont respond
MrJane33 2 years ago
Very well said and presented. And yes it is harsh, but the truth isn't meant to be soft and nice and easy. More people need to watch and understand this video.
Jarmer 2 years ago
well said Mark, i also am against blatent stupid worthless just for the hell of it public tuts for magic.
eddiecaryl 2 years ago
AMEN BROTHER! I was the first to watch but i didnt comment... I just posted my video response to it... anyways here is my comment! I hope that all those who reveal publicly gets what they have coming to them... That is Every REAL magician in the world teaming up to take their you know what down! Thanks for putting this video up (finally gosh i've been telling you to put this up for how long now???) lol keep it real bro!
MagicMalachi 2 years ago
very glad you made this video
marcusshep 2 years ago
i prefer teh book cause there is so much more but i love this video too!! awesome!!
etvoilaetoi 2 years ago
i have a tutorial of my own trick on my channel, and this video made me wanna delete my tutorial, thank you
MilezUndead 2 years ago
some good points here albeit slightly harsh its true
leekaiwei 2 years ago