Nitrocellulose Ball ~3.5g

[mcwario13]

put strontium nitrate in it for me please?!

[sprengmeisterN]

nice

[187H4X0R187]

make that with 3,5kg... xD

[japanesepoptart]

I'm confused. Is this TRUE nitrocellulose where you have to put cotton in sulfuric acid and then nitric acid? or is it just cellulose that has been dunked into a kno3 solution?

[Nighthawkinlight]

@japanesepoptart It is true nitrocellulose made by submersion in a solution of sulfuric acid and potassium nitrate, which converts to nitric acid in solution. I explain the process on grassrootsdiy(dot)com

[japanesepoptart]

@Nighthawkinlight

WOEWOEWOEWOEWOE!!! STOP!

KNO3 + H2SO4 = NITRIC ACID?!?!?

If so, I wish I would have known that a LONG time ago >:(

[Nighthawkinlight]

@japanesepoptart Yes, more or less. It needs to be heated and condensed out of the solution to be purified, but can be used as is in solution to produce NC. Check my website.

[bas12345654321]

@japanesepoptart

How do you make this again a ph of 7 ?

[japanesepoptart]

@bas12345654321

You mean nitric acid? you neutralize it with a base solution like sodium hydroxide.

[donnelrj01]

@japanesepoptart

Blind leading the blind.

NaOH destroys nitrocellulose. Sodium bicarb is what to use.

[prometheustwin1970]

@japanesepoptart You can also make nitrocellulose from a mixture of 45ml H2SO4 98% with 35ml HNO3 70%. I prefer using straight acids as the result is purer and you don't have to deal with dissolving the XNO3 (any nitrate salt will do-KNO3, NH4NO3, NANO3, etc.)

[japanesepoptart]

@prometheustwin1970

Well, I prefer using pure chemicals too, but pigs will fly the day I get nitric acid :(

[prometheustwin1970]

@japanesepoptart I guess you 're having a hard time getting conc. HNO3? If So, try artchemicalsdotcom. Or do you not Want to get Nitric acid?

[tuipale]

98,3% sufuric acid and 60-80% nitric acid or just only 95% nitric acid.

[Peterditaa]

no. nitric acid can be concentrated by destilling it.

NO2 gas can dissolve in H2O to form a max of 70% HNO3, but this acid can be destilled to 99%

[wattapassa]

it makes the azeotrope with the sulfiuric acid, doesnt it?

you can get up to 98%. its called either red fuming nitric acid (if it has nitrogen dioxide impurities) or white fuming (if it doesnt).

and technically its 68% [: thats the max concentration you can get through the ostwald process.

[acsempronio]

It's an azeotrope of water... so regular distilling won't purify it. The max. conc. through regular distilling is (actually) only 68%. Adding Sulfuric Acid or Magnesium Nitrate can bring it to 98% because those two compounds are dehydrating.

[wattapassa]

dont you mean magnesium sulphate?

but yeah, your right. any dehydrating agent should work, as long as its not alkali, and it needs to be anhydrous.

[adriiPortillo]

seems H2O2 can convert NO2 to HNO3

2NO2 + H2O2 ----> 2HNO3

[adriiPortillo]

...and distilling from a dry alkali metal nitrate + dehidratating agent yields 99% nitric :)

[Hismathefirst]

Thats the azeotrope which means you cant get higher concentrations by just destilating.

[antiswattt2]

well i must say that ive NEVER heard about nitric acid above 70% but ive heard about oleum which is extremely concentrated sulfuric acid (165%?) a teacher from my class even worked with oleum like you use table salt in everyday life xD lucky guy.. and nikel metal (selfignites when its dry) and chloroform ^^ and mercury :D could be really cool to have such a job where you get in contact (no not directly in TOUCH with the stuff) with such advanced stuff.. (:

[antiswattt2]

ok i read on wiki that it DOES go over 70% just not sold that many places i guess.. :S

[bustincapz]

lemme see and stop hatin you bitches

[antiswattt2]

lol ^^ in NurdRage's video he made fuming nitric acid.. = really concentrated

[bustincapz]

yea i saw that you a fan too :P

[antiswattt2]

ofc..

[oXFalconXo]

@antiswattt2 NurdRage has some really good videos =P

[NUNNAP]

LOL

[Jwdrummer5]

ok so here's a new question. first of all, ive made pretty good Nitrocellulose this way and even been able to use it to shoot a .38 cal bullet (very slow and unreliable) but i was wondering if you have made NC laquer with it? i have only used ping pong balls and smokeless powder. let me know.

[Nighthawkinlight]

Yeah it works fine.

[japanesepoptart]

@Jwdrummer5 It should work but I believe you must add camphor oil to it to plasticize it.

[ghk913]

@Jwdrummer5 for clarifycation, can u get nirtocellulose from pingpong balls and acetone? if dried and stuff correctly? i use the sulfuric acid and nitric acid method. I dont know too much about using pingpong balls.

[3981784]

hey i heard you could make it with kno3 and sulfuric acid but i never got it to work. same with the nitric acid sulfuric acid mix mabey i don't have the right temp. can anyone help?

[Nighthawkinlight]

Read previous comments.

[3981784]

sorry i know what it's like when people comment the same question like 100 times

[Nighthawkinlight]

No problem

[flashsn1pe]

i made a batch last night look at my vid i uploaded it was a lil slow cuz i didnt get the celloulose to soak it up is there a way i can lower the fumes the stuff is bad

[Nighthawkinlight]

The fumes are part of the deal. Just work upwind.

[zink905]

Ore use a respirator.....

[magnum9987]

How do you make gun cotton? EMail me if you don't want to talk about it in public

[flashsn1pe]

where do i get the sulfuric acid drain opener? and is this basicly flash cotton? im thinking of using it as magic trick effects

[Nighthawkinlight]

Many hardware stores carry sulfuric drain opener. Yes this is flash cotton.

[flashsn1pe]

kk cool what hard ware store would it be i called one next to my house and it was a ace and they dont have one so im gonna have to drive like an hour to get to the big city what store should i look for and what brand?

[Nighthawkinlight]

True Value usually has a good selection. The brand I found with highest conc. is Rooto.

[o0Dreamlike0o]

I guess when I use less pure (30%?) sulfuric acid.. Only the ratios change because the other 70% is just H2O?

The water will just evaporate during the process? Thanx

[Nighthawkinlight]

I'm not sure if that conc. will work, but you can try.

[Buionics]

You'd probably need a higher concentration, or thoroughly evaporate the water.

The reason you need sulfuric acid is because it realy loves water. So much that it'll actualy get nitric acid to react and fall apart in a nitronium ion and water. The sulfuric acid takes the water and the nitronium ion reacts with the coton to form gun coton.

Now if there's too much water you can't realy get the sulfuric acid to "steal" the water from the nitric acid, so the reaction won't realy go.

[propyropower]

thnxs<-- explains everything!

[1calman1]

can this stuff detonate if confined?

[Nighthawkinlight]

It is all in how it is initiated. It is the base for smokeless gunpowder, as well as a huge number of other applications, mostly in plastics.

[tntskull]

can you pm me on you recipy? yours burn very fast even in a ball my stuff burns fast but not that fast in a ball.

[Nighthawkinlight]

Read the rest of the comments on this video.

[BombMaker0312]

Could you please make tutorial on how to make NC

[leroy5500]

:o firery

[poprocz]

Can nitro cellulose 25% from SL be used in anyway for this process.

[Nighthawkinlight]

You mean piled up and lit on fire? No it can't.

[oahuguy]

is there a use for this as far as fireworks go.? its verry interesting dont get me wrong but because of who you are i never seen you use it in any of your vids yet.

[Nighthawkinlight]

It is useful as a star binder and a waterproof coating for fuse. The non pyrotechnic uses include smokeless gunpowder and many plastics. Pingpong balls, guitar pics, nail polish- The list goes on.

[pyrogeniuses]

try lifting a shell with nitrocellulose or nitrocellulose powder,start with 1 inch shells to get it right though

[Nighthawkinlight]

To pricey for that.

[pyrogeniuses]

oh,dang then lol

[van5003]

If my drain cleaner contains sulfuric acid,other acid and some other stuff will it work?

[Nighthawkinlight]

It's dangerous to use unknown chemicals. Find the purest acid you can buy. I use rooto brand drain cleaner.

[van5003]

Thank you.

[van5003]

So I need to evaporate the water that is i the acid to make it concentrated.

[Nighthawkinlight]

Or just buy a bottle of concentrated sulfuric in the form of drain cleaner for ~$8 a bottle...

[van5003]

do you think that sulfuric acid from my acid battery will work ?

[Nighthawkinlight]

Perhaps, though it will take longer than usual.

[donnelrj01]

No it wont work. The acid serves to dehydrate the mixture so 80% + concentration must be used. Just boil your acid down to the required volume.

[booga4life]

dose any one know were to find cellulose

[Nighthawkinlight]

Cotton is almost pure cellulose.

[booga4life]

also do u know were to find Nitric acid and sulfuric acid in house hold objects

[Nighthawkinlight]

Sulfuric can be found in some heavy duty drain cleaner. Nitric can then be made from sulfuric and ammonium or potassium nitrate. That step is unnecessary though for the synthesis of nitrocellulose. Simply stir in a few cotton balls with 30ml of sulfuric and 20-25g of kno3 or nh4no3 and wait an hour or so. Then wash out the cotton balls with baking soda water or ammonia to clear out the acid. Careful of the vapors the acid gives off, do not breathe them in and do this process entirely outside.

[booga4life]

thanks this really helped me

[NH4NO3CH3NO2]

will Hcl work instead of sulfuric acid?

[Nighthawkinlight]

Not likely. Just buy a bottle of sulfuric, about $8 for a liter.

[ventsi]

What retail did you get your H2SO4?

Home Depot

I would suspect you need some papers to get ~90% sulfiric.

[Nighthawkinlight]

98% sulfuric, $9 a liter last I checked. In the form of professional drain cleaner. Found it at a true value hardware store, Rooto brand.

[ventsi]

Thanks im going to be on my way to HomeDepot to check.

[Cyf531]

Home Depot doesn't sell sulfuric acid based drain openers.

[ventsi]

True but OSH and Lowes do,]

I got mine at OSH

[theartilerysheller1]

where do you get sulfuric acid

[idricool]

Put it under pressure and youll see : BOOM !

[Nighthawkinlight]

Well there are better ways, but yeah..

[Nighthawkinlight]

yeah if it works there's no reason to stop.

[Nighthawkinlight]

hmm, pretty cool, i've never gotten the vapors to flow through a hose by their own at a normal temperature

[Nighthawkinlight]

hmm, interesting, that is what it would be. how did you collect them? also, if it is nitric, you should have put it on more cotton for some more NC

[silendshade]

why are you guys all distilling the nitric acid? i make nitroglycerin and nitrocellulose with AN(without distillation) and i think it would work with KNO3

[Nighthawkinlight]

Because nitric makes a much better product, you can tell the difference with purified NC.

[Nighthawkinlight]

no problem, I've found most sulfuric drain openers work well

[Uberownager]

KNO3 really ain't that bad for NC. Pretty nice. Although straight acids are easier and faster to work with.

[Nighthawkinlight]

Nope, the best way I've found is you take 30ml of 95%+ concentration sulfuric, stir in 20g of kno3 and add 2g of cotton balls. Stir every 20 minutes for an hour and then stir in another 5g of kno3 and let it sit for another half hour. Then rinse out what is now NC with water many times and then soak it in water with baking soda in it and add more baking soda till it stops fizzing, then rinse with water again and dry. it'll burn allot faster than the stuff in this video.

[piroflash93]

wat u just explained is that to just make 1 nc ball? or do u just add more cotton balls into that mixture? or do add more mixture depending on how much u want to make?....please further explain.

[Nighthawkinlight]

2g worth of cotton added to 25g kno3 and 30g sulfuric. that's enough for what is in the video.

[Nighthawkinlight]

Just sulfuric and kno3, it's actually some of my slower stuff, I've had some pretty good results letting the solution sit for a couple hours with stirring every once in a while.

[slither888]

Did you use nitric acid or AN?