The problem with CGI is it's go none of that (Wow someone made that with their hands) Factor to it. I'd rather own a real oil painting in place of a computer generated copy. The Human touch people. That's what's missing.
@kezadrone : Couldn't agree more. I think the fact that stop-motion projects have involved people directly interacting with real objects to create the illusion of movement, gives it something CG can't ever compete with on that level. Then factor in that you are filming *real objects, with real textures, under real light, with a real photographic camera", then on top of that sprinkle it with some digital magic, and it's plain to see you are working with a POWERFUL technique.
@Vortex42 And a literal simulation hurts the charm of the illusion as we now have gotten to know. It's not enough that something looks good, it also needs natural imperfection in the motion and personality that transfers to said motion. Moving something with just a mouse is like trying to give a puppet real personality with completely numbed fingers. You won't feel it and that's a big issue to an artist, something that even some expensive pressure gadgets won't replace.
@Dinoslay : I definitely agree with that. Feeling the texture of the creature under your fingers as you animate gives a profound sense of connection, which just isn't possible with CG, or even with CG using Dinosaur-Input-Devices.
@Vortex42 It simply helps the transfer of emotion be more reliable than if it's all done inside a screen. Real emotion doesn't live in a brain box. It's too easy to either under or over-exaggerate the animation in a computer no matter good the surface looks. Doing things tactile IS more reliable. How it translates to the screen completely depends on how it's approached. In an automated style and fashion driven industry like Hollywood that isn't important when it should always be.
Check out UNDEAD BACKBRAIN BIZARRE LIFE INSTITUTE TRILOGY. Drag and drop this link into the top search banner. Three features full of stop-motion monsters.
I just saw the remake and I have a lot to say about it. But it was more of another version of the movie with the old plot and a new plot smooshed together that just made it confusing. I definitely prefer the old one.
The original "Clash" is a poor film, mostly due to slack directing. Only the battle with Meusa ranks among RH's best work. He's right -- SM has a surreal quality that works well with mythical subjects. (The claim that CGI is obvious is ridiculous. Kong looks like a real animal.)
What's offensive about the remake, beyond being unnecessary, is that it throws virtually every famous RH sequence into the pot, for no apparent reason than to one-up The Master with CGI. (Keep an eye out for saucers.)
Kong does look like a real animal in '05, yes, but the design is shoddy and lazy - taking a silverback gorilla and basically upping his size. Any realism in that lazy piece of creature design came from Andy Serkis and Weta's maquettes.
If they had gone for an ape-man like Kong was in the original, it would have been noticeable, like the Ents in LOTR.
@Levethian7 : Yep - We did the appeal back in July 2008 - We knew they wouldn't listen to us, be we did it more to tell Ray Harryhausen that we are fighting his corner, and also to inform the public that we ARE going to bring stop-motion back to live-action film...
Please view the "Pursuit" video response to this video... It's a sample of what we are now doing with stop motion animation in live-action film... IT IS HAPPENING! :o)
I'm 40 years old, and still remember the good old stop and go. But, evolution is something natural. As we've seen in matrix, jurassic and so on. Sticking around with puppets, or stop and go, is not the way. But, making movies ON special cg efx is stupid.
I think that, the more we see movies with a good story balanced with nice efx (like in the days of starwars), well finally have the magic, that " clash of the titans " gave us at that time. By the way, Avatar was fantastic, but not original!
@huntdj27 : CG isn't an evolution... it's a different breed... There are different types of dog... So why not different types of animation... Stop-motion can EASILY equal (and BEAT) the quality achievable with CG...
Please check our "Pursuit" video response to this video, to see a sample of what myself and my associates are doing to bring stop-motion animation back to live-action film.
@Vortex42 I work with animation, and still can affirm that, MANY of the things we use today in cg, were brought from the stop and go motion buddy. I'ts a different breed today, brought up from the good old s.g. motion of the past indeed. Please send me a link of your "pursuit"video. I'd like to give it a check!
I just watched the trailer to the remake. Its more like REPULSIVE than remake. Think if Troy, Lord of the Rings and 300 all mushed into one. Harry Hamlin made a great hero. This looser playing the new Perseus is not a hero as much as vin deisel wanna be.
LONG LIVE THE CLASSICS!!
And just as a warning for you all. They are remaking Westworld as well, with Shwartenagger as the robot cowboy. Guess the just ran out of stories to tell.
I hate remakes! I have a hard time accepting the remake of 'Nightmare on Elm Street'. If there's going to be a remake of 'An American Werewolf in London' I swear I'll scream bloody murder.
I agree - Particularly on the subject of scores... When did all the musical scores in films lose their memorability??? I honestly can't remember the theme to Avatar and I just saw it a few days ago... When I first saw Star Wars I was humming the tune for WEEKS afterwards... similarly with Clash of the Titans.
I also agree that it would be better for Hollywood to stop cashing in on the names of previous efforts, and do something original.
Bare in mind that Coraline is an (amazing) ALL stop-motion film... This appeal is for more stop-motion creatures in live-action film... So, Coraline doesn't apply to the issue.
As you say, it's too late now - But the appeal was more to raise awareness with the public that stop-motion is now viable as a competitor to CG in live-action creature effects.
My associates and I can confirm that stop-motion is a production technique that is comparable (and often quicker) way to produce creature effects, and by it's very nature is competitive in cost... The other bonus is that even the most basic stop-motion creature effect for live-action film will look WAY better than a comparitively priced CG effect (no question about that).
I also have to add that the actual problem is in the inconsistency movies always have. So it's not the animation form but how the story itself works. If the inconsistency is easy to forgive it is easier for audiences to suspend disbelief. Computer simulation is a big inconsistency today because it isn't invisible to the naked eye. With Stop Motion this has only mattered to picky people as the animation itself is otherworldy.
Both Stop Motion and CGI work equally well when handled the right way. They would work even better if they were combined. Stop Motion sure can be updated for today's standards if one knows how it's done. The charm in Stop Motion is that you can't abuse it much if at all if you don't understand it's foundation which is the movement and it's still challenging. No such challenge with CGI which is all 3D space in a computer anyways.
A remake or a "retelling" whatever. Bottom line is Hollywood has run out of ideas for new movies as well as imaginative writers. I'll stick with the original films. I'll spend my money once somebody grows the balls to make the next generation of cult classics like COTT.
I went to see Avatar a few days ago, and I found it to be one of the most forgettable films I have ever seen in my life. I had honestly hoped (without buying into the hype) that there might some vestige of originality in there, simply based on the fact that it was a Cameron picture... And I was sorely disappointed.
Combat, all I can say is watch this space... projects are on the boil here!
First of all. It's not a remake. It is a retelling of an ancient greek mythology. Calling the new movie a remake is like saying that Romeo+Juliet is a remake of Zefirelli's Romeo and Juliet.
Second, CGI effects done right will look much better than any the best stop motion could offer.
Third. This is not a Stephen Sommers movie so we know that the CGI won't suck that bad.
No-one who was involved in this appeal suggested in any way that the "CG would suck bad"... All we asked was that they include some stop-motion animated creatures... Which brings me onto your point that "CG done right will look much better than the best stop-motion could offer"... Where exactly do you get the authority to make that statement... I can guarantee you that you are very much mistaken on that point... Stop-motion can easily equal the best that CG can produce.
CGI has come a long way but stop motion would look much better imo - to do a real quality stop motion job though requires more time and effort than CGI - they wont do it - they can recoup their investment much faster doing CGI .
Although theyll make less money in the long run when it flops at the box office because I can tell you right now that the remake is going to suck ......... and suck hard .
sure it can look good but we are all VERY when they are using it.
for example,when someone is screaming their heads off when faced with a monster,we all know good and hell well that they are standing in front of a blue screen.
we know that the monster isnt really there so it takes away from the experience.
I highly agree! I didn't enjoy Peter Jackson's remake of King Kong cause it was way too much CGI. I had the same problem with the movie '300' even though the battle scenes were awesome.
I agree with both of you... CG is really conspicuous when you see it in a film. It sticks out like a sore thumb saying "I'm not actually here"... Whereas stop-motion creatures filmed under real light, with a real camera, with all their real textures and at the hands of a master animator will have people engrossed in the picture... particularly with our modern approaches to integrating them with live-action... watch this space!
I do support Stopmotion. It would be nice to have a variety. Sometimes you can tell when something is CGI, but with those stopmotions they practically look realistic.
Clay animation FTW! Make those animators EARN a paycheck instead of doing lazy ass CGI work. STOP MOTION is awesome and I respect and glorify a good Stop motion animation film anyday. The hours it takes to create a good stop motion film pays off in lots of gratification!
Well, CGI is generic, but there is still a lot of work involved. They still have to make the charcters believable and realistic looking. I do understand though. They need more stopmotion in the market!
I agree. Hollywood always messes up a good classic with a remake. They always change the story and add or remove things. They butchered soo many movies, its pathetic.
prolly cuz the same ppl that are involved in movies now love the same classics we do...maybe even more so. since they're motivated to be apart of that industry...& why would someone pass up that opportunity...
lonsoleil,you dont see how they can improve on the original?!!... it sucks bigtime,even Harryhausen was dissappointed with it,and it wasnt well received critically or commercially
As many stated here, there's something magical about Stop Motion in combination with live action plates, because the viever KNOWS that it isn't real, which adds to the enchantment. At the time though the animators probably thought that what they accomplished was very realistic, too, especially with the advanced go motion. I think there's a place for everything, whether it's 2D or CGI or what have you. In the end it all comes down to the plot.
I also thought CGs were "played out", that is until I saw how they made "The Curious Case of Benjamin Buttons". I think there's still room for CGs to be impressive.
I don't mind cgi, it's just so overused without innovation. If they aren't going to use stop motion, at least do something different with the cgi techniques. I mean Beowulf had an awesome style of cgi, do something original with it at least!
I don't care which technology they use. As long as it's awesome and allows us to IMAGINE and escape to that world at that particular time. I am looking forward to the new one being even more awesome!!
I just wanted to comment about Stop Motion animation really. I just wanted to say that i adore it.
Im not a CGI hater, but I think there are appropriate ways to use it- but artisticly Im not attracted to it, Im not a fan of Digital Art.
I like hand made things, I like textures, I like seeing the artists fingerprint in claymation- such as Wallace and Gromit. For me stop motion feels more real, because it's physicly there, thats magical to me.
I didn't like the original because of the stop motion. I really don't like SM. it looks fake most of the time. Sure there might be an over reliance on CG. usually by movies with nothing else to offer. Like Dark Waters- The Sharks looked ok but not as good as Deep Blue Sea. If they (Clash of the Titans) use CG like Peter Jackson and did in King Kong and LOTR, it should be great! I'm all for realism and SM doesn't cut it.
I find all the hate comical really. There really isn't much difference between stop motion and CG to be honest - both are a way of putting a character that couldn't possibly be shot into a plate. The difference is, CG can actually look real, while stop-motion looks, well, like stop-motion animation.
Those of you railing against the use of CG in films seem to be having a bit of difficulty separating the craft from its use by Hollywood directors and producers.
Warner Bros. and Legendary Pictures are just killing the magic, it's not good enough and no i am not the generation that grew up when Ray Harryhausen made Clash of the Titans I discovered it recently, I wish I was because we missed something magical and that some people will never understand. This is one of those masterpieces that have sparked and is still sparking imaginations. Stop motion is part of the world of movie magic and that's what we should never forget.
Clash Of The Titans is one of my all-time fav films. And you know why...cuz it's REAL! No fake CGI...pure Harryhausen. CGI blows & it's an easy way out for people actually enhancing a story.
Are you all a bunch of old fogies that are scared of change? Do you not realize that it is an amazing advancement in technology or are you just spoiled by seeing too much of it? CGI takes plenty of work and can look amazing if done right. I'm tired of hearing all of this bitching all of the time. If you don't like how they are making the movie, just don't see it and STFU! Also, the comments about the "computer doing all of the work for you" are completely ignorant. Should be a good movie. :)
I totally agree that any comments about "the computer doing the work" are TOTALLY wrong and ignorant. HOWEVER, what we are OFFICIALLY suggesting is that CG is used ALL the time in Hollywood productions, when there are plenty of other techniques which will produce just as impressive imagery. How can you possibly be TIRED of bitching when it is only RECENTLY that people are voicing these opinions? We don't want to REPLACE CGI... We simply want a fair share of the business.
When I personally said "don't let the computer do the work for you" it was a direct critique of one specific guy's CG animation portfolio in which CLEARLY the computer was doing the work for him (the animation was floaty, had no weight or character, no timing, no aniticipation, no secondary action) - He'd clearly set some keyframes and then rendered out the result... HOWEVER, in feature films the CG work is usually superb... It isn't the QUALITY of CG we are annoyed about... It's the QUANTITY!
Us *old fogies* appreciate real craftmanship in making a movie, & CGI doesn't enhance filmmaking. It actually takes away from films. Most films that over-do CGI usually have a weak story to begin with. Now, if CGI is used for some background scenes & a little bit here and there, well that's ok. But I'd rather see stop-motion & real make-up effects than CGI.
I like hand crafted things, puppets and sets. I have no objection to the use of CGI to enhance special effetcs or enhance a scene- but I think it's more impressive when effort goes into building sets and making puppets.
One reason that I am dissapointed in the 'Alice in Wonderland' adaption by Burton.
I'm not against CGI, I just personaly feel there's the right way to use it, and the wrong way to use it. :)
Could'nt have said it better myself, I already stated my views on the matter and won't waste my time with the back and forths with people clearly affraid to progress with new forms of art..thanks for the support "syraxus" and ...CGI Forever!!!
All you stop motion HOMO'S need to wake up and realize CGI is the future. If you miss your stop motion so muh then take your corny asses back to the past and get over it...CGI Forever!!!
Thanks for the views, but I never claimed to be a great animator only showing support for the art. I'm sure the proffesionals won't dissapoint the fans..not if stop motion has anything to do with it :)
Mate - If you go around blindly calling people names and making blanket statements, you have to expect to get flamed every now and then.
Keep working on your animation - Just remember, don't allow the computer to do the work for you - Just because it can do that doesn't mean you should let it - Take control of your animation and your work will only improve. Do the animation yourself, frame by frame and your CG will look a million dollars!
CGI isn't the future, just the current state of SFX. Most movies that use this type of effect over-do it, & the outcome isn't that impressive. There's nothing like old-fashioned models & real effects to enhance a film. Obviously younger people are 100% behing CGI, but if you grew up on films that mostly used real effects & models, you'd appreciate it more.
Plus, you don't need to call people *Homos* just because you disagree...definitely show your age there.
i work for the company that is making it! we have been on tenerife for the past 2 months building the mount olympus set! it is brilliant! also met liam neeson who is playing zues,by all accounts it looks as though this film will be in the same standard as LOTR!
Definately right - There is no way they will do this with stop-motion creatures. I hope we've helped raise awareness that stop-motion is a perfecty valid option however. Projects are in production. Watch this space.
And Hollywood won't put in the time, effort and creativity to work in stop-motion, and so far the cast seems like the typical bad casting from the big studio system.
I liked Sam Worthington in Terminator Salvation (he was about the only good thing in it), but he doesn't strike me as a good Perseus. This new CGI of the Titans (sorry, Clash of...) is going to be a shallow hack job that will make me reach for my 1980s Clash DVD.
That Clash of the Titans has a lightness, a slight tongue-in-cheek nature (at times, more than slight, heh) to it that most likely won't be matched by the remake.
Even if they tried, it would come off heavy-handed.
I sense this new Clash is not going to be any different than the rest of the "big" action movies coming out now, it'll be fast, loud and shallow (with some weak "quiet" moments). Even if it "looks" cool, it'll either be too dark, or too dumb, or both. I'm not holding my breath....
Unfortunately my friend, they probably will. But they might also find it irresitable to have not one, but a horde of 80,000 Gorgons rushing over the crest of a hill toward Perseus, while flying Gorgons fill the sky...
I have yet to see a remake of any movie that is actually good & that sticks to the original storyline. Personlly I dislike CGI because it's overkill & all it takes is learning how to use a pc program. But using stop motion graphics & other such methods are far more creative because it takes out the computer element. It may be more time consumming & more difficult, but the results are well worth it in the end. Aside from visuals, staying true to the original story is vital if portraying a remake.
Here is an alternative ..... A TRUE TRIBUTE to HONOR RAY HARRYHAUSEN should include 'some' State of the Art, Modern Stop Motion Creature FX for the 'background' creatures and the CGI (computer FX) for the 'main' creatures. Use BOTH Special Effects methods. You can email .... ATTN: Warner Bros/Legendary Pictures, Director: Louis Leterrier, at this website:
WarnerBrosDOTcom/main/help/customer_service.html
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You guys can rant, rave, bitch, and moan all you want! This movie is gonna be made REGARDLESS of what we think! Don't get me wrong: I'm a fan of Harry's work, and I own the dvd. But the Ball has started to roll. Liam Neeson has signed on to be Zeus and Ray Fiennes is cast to be Hades. I just the Powers That Be choose a great mythological story. Just don't do Hercules.
I agree - Nothing said here is going to change anything about this remake. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have been said though.
I work with a group of film-makers determined to put stop-motion back in Live-action film... We are developing several projects and one of those is a short film that will be going into production this year. Several others (including features) are in the pipeline.
But with this being a remake of Clash of the Titans, we had to say something! :o)
Hopefully, they've approached Harry to do the stop-motion. If they haven't, they would be making a huge mistake. To make 'Clash of the Titan' with CGI with be nothing short of, dare I say, blasphey!
I don't care if Harryhausen himself says he endorses a CGI remake of CLASH OF THE TITANS, I refuse to see a remake of it without stop-motion animation and am more likely to see it if it has stop-motion and Harryhausen supervises it. I am not worried about seeing it since Hollywood refuses to understand that we are all sick and tired of CGI. It's in movies, TV and videogames and it was cool once but I am burned out on it now. Give us a break from CGI. Bring on the stop-motion animation!
They are remaking this? Stop motion picture? Sure they were very good in the old days but you can't just live in the past. Else we would all be living in caves and eating raw meat.
I don't get it when people refer to stop-motion as "old" as if no-one has done it for hundreds of years... Every year more and more stop-motion films are made, advancing the technology and techniques to higher and more impressive plateaus.
The only area where stop-motion ISN'T being used often is in Live-action films - There is NO good reason for that other than a lack of imagination and the brainless belief that...
So - You are about to start work on a Big Budget feature for a Hollywood Major, and you couldn't give a flying f*ck... I wonder why I'm not altogether surprised.
Anyway - I hope you do have fun on the show, even if I do think the Producers are missing a trick, and personally believe the remake shouldn't be going ahead at all.
Glad to know someone is getting something out of it at least.
Its mostly a British movie, Hollywood money, British workers. America cant make sword and sandal stuff it always has to come here.
Ive seen the costume designs and Im disappointed, but we had no work until the pound went down, and then we got Centurion about the Roman Army in Scotland that'll be crap, Eagle of the Ninth about the Roman army in Scotland and this.
Trust me I take historical accuracy very seriously but designers love to design.
The main objection to remaking Titans is more than just the usual complaining about Stop Motion vs CG, Titans was Ray H's own creation as a film as well as the effects. This is not a remake of any old classic legend - it 's a remake of RAY'S classic film! That's the biggest distinction here. If they are going to remake a film by an artist of his magnitude, then they should be interested in doing it the way HE would. This is a slap in the face of a master who's shoes they are not worthy to shine.
seriously i bet it will have a nod to the stop motion in the original but lets all be honest none of us are backing this movie financially so shut up and just be happy sam worthington (terminator salvation) is playing the hero so no it wont be poorly casted. why do people have to bitch and moan if u dont like it dont watch it plain and simple
This movie shouldn't be getting made at all. It's a slap in the face of Ray Harryhausen who inspired most of us to become film-makers. The guys is alive and well - He is disgusted that this remake is going ahead...
So I won't shut up. Why?... Because I actually care. If this film is being "remade" it should be done in a way that pays absolute homage to the guy who made the original the memorable film it was. But we all know that isn't what is going to happen.
I loved Clash Of The Titans and I am all for a remake. It just had better be good. Though to be honest I think I would rather see it with CGI then stop animation. Stop animation may have come far from what it was but honestly it still looks like a cartoon. The last thing I want in a clash remake is cartoon like characters.
It's going to full of CGI and going to be a disappointment. The original has a simplicity, an easygoing nature to it that's going to all but buried within the confines of some CGI-filled mess, with a huge budget, with big names, and little else. It's going to be poorly cast, like most big Hollywood flicks, and the focus will be on the CGI action scenes. They need to just leave this movie alone. It's fine as it is.
The prevailing laziness in the movie industry will continue the march of tired CGI. The courage to use a truly unique FX (stop-motion) is non-existant.
Good CGI isn't better than good Stop-motion... In saying that, I've decided to stop trying to tell people that - It's actually more effective to SHOW them... Watch this space.
Great appeal! Call me a supporter! But this is Hollywood, ya know! Most are cheating, lying, copycat cads! They will strip the idea and make it with cheap CGI and overused sound effects.
that's not only stop mo animation that made you love this film. that's ALL the special effects of these years wich have been charming us. all the matte paintings, the optical effects. remember superman 2 ? the superpowers were great. because they havent been done by computers.
its a WHOLE thing, not only stop motion.
i think this request is nonsense. or else, all the movie have to be done with lovables 80's special effects to bring back the magic of these years.
CGI is just a tool for lazy hollywood fucks that have no talent! I'd like the remake to be good, but chances are it'll be another CGI crapafest with a bunch of rappers and models in the lead roles. Screw Hollywood- I hope the big one hits before they can make this film.
i dont care what people say about stop-motion, it still has more puch over cgi. just because most people asume its had its day dosn't mean it truly has. this is what i wanna break, this mould of 'its cgi only', i hope ill be one of many that will bring stop-motion back to films tv and documentrys in the future to come. also see my uni clip of Harryhausens insperation on me!
Admittedly I cringe at the idea of someone remaking one of the greatest mythological films of all time. The acting was superb, the scenes were intense, and even in its day the animations were near flawless. This video was an excellent example that the art is something we'd like to see not lost in time. Everyone upgrade has upgraded to CGI not to better quality but to just be faster about it. I prefer the London werewolf over the Paris werewolf any day!
This is one of my favorite movies ever. I'm actually getting a tattoo of all the characters on my arm. They better do the original justice. You need CGI, The Krakken, the giant vulture.... there's no way to do it otherwise. Casting is key, need that all star cast, like the original.
Fully agree. CGI sometimes looks good, but that's when you can't tell it's cgi, and 99.7 percent of the time you can, and it's just real lame. And there are some creatures that are more believable in stop motion; like any golem type creature, like the minoton and things like that. At any rate, we've seen the recent spate of "remakes", which would indicate, I'm sorry to say, that this one, too, will be utterly retarded shite.
I don't care what technique is used, as long as it is executed well and lends to the believability of the picture. None of the "examples' displayed here would be worthy.
Ray Harryhousen was a wizard in his time, and I honor and respect him and his work, but that time has passed.
Spare us your pretentious flattery Nutty McBuddy. People like you are too fatuous to comprehend and embrace the words HONOR and RESPECT is. It's comments like that makes you convicted of the very crime that Hollywood as committed and that's blatant ageism.
I really dunno. I am still scarred when i first saw james and the giant peach(stop motion). But I'm also freaked out by violet's transformation in 2005's Charlie and the chocolate factory(CGI).
Thank You Prammaven for seeing the light! Just as we heard rumors that this remake was going to be made, we are now hearing rumors that the studio has turned tail and will not. I hope we had something to do with that. Not just because we think that Mr.Harryhausen's work should never be replaced but because there is no need to remake it at all! Will the people of Hollywood learn to just leave the past alone and find their own talents? Remakes are for cowards and Hollywood is full of them.
I enjoy CGI when it's done well, but I think SMA is severely underused. I think we could start seeing some fantastic innovation in the technique, if only movies would actually use it more. We've been seeing CGI for quite a while now, and I think it's time Hollywood took the risk and make a few major films that use extensive SMA. CotT would be a great one to do that with.
Stop Motion was the best method they had back then to create the creaure effects, but now it's CGI. I realy don't understand why people hate CGI, it's the stop motion of our time and takes less time to create and I personaly think it looks better but your all free to like what you want. To use stop motion this day and age for movies would look rediculous to the evolved public eye.
'Evolved'? If 'evolved' means you no longer have any appreciation for art, then I guess you would be correct. I guess then that you feel that if someone can take a photo - why bother doing a painting? If you can scan the dimensions of a real person and have a machine produce a replication of their exact form, why bother with a sculpture? And if I already have my own opinion, why should I bother reading your closed minded one? Why bother, I'm talking to a Cylon.
I just really hope that whatever happens they do the Classic original of 1981 justice, as it is one of my favorite films of all time, Greek Mythology at it's best!
ive never seen the original (however now its on my list of dvds to buy) but all i can say is make the new version using SMA !!! Then legendary productions (not really very legendary, just doing what everyone does btw) should ask everyone on its first preview how they thought the animation was done, and as long as it was up to the quality of some of the clips in this, no one could give you an answer.
By the way... there was a phrase used in this thread that rubs me the wrong way every time I've read it, "Stop Motion is a 'dying art'." That assertion couldn't be more wrong. No visual art has ever 'died' just as no musical form has ever 'died'. It may be NEARLY dead in Hollywood but, so are many of the brains that work there. Every time someone makes the claim that an art form is 'dying' they are proven wrong. They say the car 'killed' the horse and buggy, which is funny - there still around.
The BEST demonstrations I have seen of CGI done on a lower budget in the same frame with live action looks like a video game at best. The eyes of audiences today can easily spot that and consequently the effects fail to pass as anything other than a cheap CGI effect. GREAT stop motion can be done on a low budget AND pass the test of looking real next to the actors.
The arguments against that are something that I will simply have to tolerate for the time being but, plans ARE in the works!
The market for Idie films is huge and growing, but in the world of Idie film the opposite about animated effects is the opposite from what it is in Hollywood - it is rare that CGI can look as good on a lower budget as SMA can. That may be something that has yet to be demonstrated but, I have zero doubt about that. All we can do is PROVE that to be the case. Cheap CGI fails to look like it belongs in the real world next to an actor but SMA IS real to begin with.
Audiences today get far more of their entertainment from sources OTHER than Hollywood and the ticket sales in movie theaters continues to fall, on the other hand- the online market for alternative sources of entertainment is booming and growing.
SMA has a look that is DIFFERENT and based on that fact alone, audiences will desire it. The worst thing entertainment can do is be redundant, We have been beaten over the head with CGI for over a decade... people want something ELSE!
There is a market for stop motion of the Harryhausen style that would be foolish to ignore. The mentality of people today says that if an art form can't succeed by making people mega-rich then it simply shouldn't be done at all. If that were the case, there would be no off-Broadway plays, Opera houses or any other non-mainstream art to be found anywhere. But the opposite is true! Granted, Hollywood may never accept a proposal to make Sinbad 8 in stop motion but, that doesn't mean a thing.
One of the greatest advantages SMA has in the new era, is that audiences get to see the behind the scenes extras as part of the DVDs they buy. And lets be real here, when I watch the extras of people creating CGI effects it puts me to sleep.
Any of the assertions I've read here that make the claim that SMA is limited by the physical nature of it, is just flat-out ignorant of the creative ability of spfx artists and animators today and that is an ignorance I'm dead tired of hearing.
It's not the effect, it's how you use it. And the reason Stop Motion hasn't been nor will be used again by big studios is obvious from everyone's answers here, they just want to make money with something irrelevant disguised as relevant in order to make that money. And CGI is a perfect mind numbing tool for that. Stop Motion has a future elsewhere, not an industry driven by greedy inmates.
I totally agree. Stop motion is a dying art, and to remake such a classic I think the only way to make it anywhere near as good as the original, they need to use stop motion.
Let me first say, I love Ray H.'s work and appreciate stopmotion.
However, I don't see the priority in using it for it's own sake.
The fact is this; If the special effects are EFFECTIVE, you should not be able to tell how they were done. Being able to to tell, the technique betraying itself, is a statement in it's failure, not it's homage or appreciation.
Don't waste your time begging for a technique. Beg for whatever is used to be done WELL.
If stop-motion was done well I think you'd be a bit stumped as to how it was made (it no longer has the same tell-tale markers that say "This is stop-motion"). You'd probably first think it was a new advancement of CG. That is, until you were told it was created by stop-motion animators. The appeal isn't about using the technique for the sole reason of nostalgia - But rather because it is an entirely valid FX artform which can, today, easily match and surpass the visual standards of CG.
If there was any truth to your statement regarding stop motion having the ability of surpassing the realism and flexibility of CGI, then SMA would be what you see on the big screen. BUT you don't see stop motion used to represent characters on the big screen(aside from asthetic pieces like Corpse or Elf). Regardless of how you may feel about SMA capabilities, the FX world and general public clearly see CGI as the "better/preferred" medium of choice, rendering your statement false.
I hope this new one will be stop motion animation like the old. I'm really tired of CGI in every movie nowadays, whether it is bad or good, low budget or high, everything is CGI, and stop motion would be something different and add a vintage touch that will honor the old in a good way.
Couldn't agree more. A modern film with stop-motion effects would stand out beautifully. Look how crap some of the recent Star Wars cgi characters clashed with the actors. Jabba? Pah!
Enthusiasm for stop motion is great, but re-making Clash of the Titans in stop motion doesn't make any sense. First off, it's already been done before. Second, the original film never did well at the box office to begin with. CGI is far easier and cheaper to accomplish than traditional stop motion, so expect CGI to be the cinema standard moving forward. However, stop motion's popularity has never ever been as prevalent as it is today. Stop motion is more popular today than ever!!
The decision to use stop-motion or CG in a "remake" production is unrelated to the question of whether or not to make the remake in the first place. The Studio and Producers have decided to remake Clash *despite* it's original lack-luster box-office. This is because they see it has a huge cult following that will secure sales... All of this rides on the fact that the original used stop-motion. Despite your belief - modern stop-motion animation is FAR cheaper to produce than CG.
Apparently, I didn't understand the question then. But I stand firm that Clash should not be remade. It's fantastic as it stands. Remakes almost never do well at the box office even when the originals are huge smashes (King Kong?). The Clash remake is in it's infancy and I anticipate that it will not be made. Even Harry thinks the idea is bad. A Clash remake would require a big budget with an original that faired poorly. Maybe a low budget direct to DVD?
I am with you on that... I too, as do many of us, believe Clash shouldn't be remade. Unfortunately it looks like they are going ahead with it - So we are basically just requesting that they at least use it as a chance to show how far stop-motion has evolved. We know they probably won't lisen. But it's important to at least voice our request/appeal.
I really don't think anyone has much to worry about as I doubt it will be remade, at least not as a theatrical run. Right now it is all talk and some writing by Kasdan. A large budget Clash just isn't going to draw enough attention at the box office. But stop motion is stronger than ever, with many recent theatrical (Corpse Bride, Elf) incarnations. CGI is all the rage and is an over-used media. Film makers love it for it's flexibility and movie goers dump all their money into it.
CG is so heavily used because there is a clear connection between high volume ticket sales and high volume CGI effects. Stop motion never had that connection outside Ray's work. Even films with the best stop motion (Dragonslayer) suffered from horrific ticket sales. Companies (Lucasfilm) have tons of money invested in CGI (films and video games) that generate gross amounts of money. So, that's where film makers are going to continue to invest. But don't think that stop motion isn't used.
I'm keenly aware of just how prevailant stop-motion is these days. I also understand that ILM and WETA-DIGITAL are companies owned and operated by two of the biggest Director/Producers on the Planet... These film-makers are also business men who have a vested interest in selling CG effects (at least Jackson has WETA-WORKSHOP as well!). What I, and others have a problem with is that while SMA is being used extensively (now more than ever) it never gets a look into live-action creature effects.
I don't think SM will ever return as a visual media for creature effects on the big screen. CGI prices continue to plummet as computer technology increases. CGI is far more flexible and evolving for film makers to ever return to stop motion. SMA has limitations that CGI does not. CGI can continue to improve while SMA cannot (unless massively aided by CGI). I love SMA, but it cannot compete with CGI in the film industry.
That simply shows (no offence) a misunderstanding of the capabilities of today's stop-motion animators/film-makers.
Stop motion can match and in fact surpass CG for creature effects. I, and others, intend to prove that point.
I respect your opinion... But I would say - hang on - Because you've not seen anything yet. Stop-motion is coming back to creature effects - and it will be like nothing you've seen before.
I love your enthusiasm for SMA! But, if what you suggest is true, then SMA would occupy some degree of creature FX in the big budget film industry. Stop motion (as with anything that is a physical object) is a limited medium that is only capable of so much. CGI is not restrained by the laws of physics because it doesn't exist in the real world. This is what makes SMA, animatronics, etc "limiting". So, explain the technology that will bring SMA back on screen...
I want to know more about how (what technology) stop motion will re-replace CGI for creature FX. You're argument is compelling, but completely lacks evidence, or even a suggestion of how SMA will re-replace creatures in films.
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SaraAlvaraz 1 year ago
Hollywood needs movies with good actors and Stories like in the good old days, combined with the action and Technology of Now
Nixom1334 1 year ago
The problem with CGI is it's go none of that (Wow someone made that with their hands) Factor to it. I'd rather own a real oil painting in place of a computer generated copy. The Human touch people. That's what's missing.
kezadrone 1 year ago 3
@kezadrone : Couldn't agree more. I think the fact that stop-motion projects have involved people directly interacting with real objects to create the illusion of movement, gives it something CG can't ever compete with on that level. Then factor in that you are filming *real objects, with real textures, under real light, with a real photographic camera", then on top of that sprinkle it with some digital magic, and it's plain to see you are working with a POWERFUL technique.
CG is all simulation
Vortex42 1 year ago 2
@Vortex42 And a literal simulation hurts the charm of the illusion as we now have gotten to know. It's not enough that something looks good, it also needs natural imperfection in the motion and personality that transfers to said motion. Moving something with just a mouse is like trying to give a puppet real personality with completely numbed fingers. You won't feel it and that's a big issue to an artist, something that even some expensive pressure gadgets won't replace.
Dinoslay 1 year ago
@Dinoslay : I definitely agree with that. Feeling the texture of the creature under your fingers as you animate gives a profound sense of connection, which just isn't possible with CG, or even with CG using Dinosaur-Input-Devices.
Vortex42 1 year ago
@Vortex42 It simply helps the transfer of emotion be more reliable than if it's all done inside a screen. Real emotion doesn't live in a brain box. It's too easy to either under or over-exaggerate the animation in a computer no matter good the surface looks. Doing things tactile IS more reliable. How it translates to the screen completely depends on how it's approached. In an automated style and fashion driven industry like Hollywood that isn't important when it should always be.
Dinoslay 1 year ago
Check out UNDEAD BACKBRAIN BIZARRE LIFE INSTITUTE TRILOGY. Drag and drop this link into the top search banner. Three features full of stop-motion monsters.
kezadrone 1 year ago
I just saw the remake and I have a lot to say about it. But it was more of another version of the movie with the old plot and a new plot smooshed together that just made it confusing. I definitely prefer the old one.
slanted89 1 year ago
The original "Clash" is a poor film, mostly due to slack directing. Only the battle with Meusa ranks among RH's best work. He's right -- SM has a surreal quality that works well with mythical subjects. (The claim that CGI is obvious is ridiculous. Kong looks like a real animal.)
What's offensive about the remake, beyond being unnecessary, is that it throws virtually every famous RH sequence into the pot, for no apparent reason than to one-up The Master with CGI. (Keep an eye out for saucers.)
GrizzledGeezer 1 year ago
@GrizzledGeezer
Kong does look like a real animal in '05, yes, but the design is shoddy and lazy - taking a silverback gorilla and basically upping his size. Any realism in that lazy piece of creature design came from Andy Serkis and Weta's maquettes.
If they had gone for an ape-man like Kong was in the original, it would have been noticeable, like the Ents in LOTR.
Moseslawgiver 1 year ago
Bit late for the appeal, but a nice sentiment. - though seems to be fuelled by nostalgia.
What do you think of the trailers?
Levethian7 1 year ago
@Levethian7 : Yep - We did the appeal back in July 2008 - We knew they wouldn't listen to us, be we did it more to tell Ray Harryhausen that we are fighting his corner, and also to inform the public that we ARE going to bring stop-motion back to live-action film...
Please view the "Pursuit" video response to this video... It's a sample of what we are now doing with stop motion animation in live-action film... IT IS HAPPENING! :o)
Vortex42 1 year ago
I'm 40 years old, and still remember the good old stop and go. But, evolution is something natural. As we've seen in matrix, jurassic and so on. Sticking around with puppets, or stop and go, is not the way. But, making movies ON special cg efx is stupid.
I think that, the more we see movies with a good story balanced with nice efx (like in the days of starwars), well finally have the magic, that " clash of the titans " gave us at that time. By the way, Avatar was fantastic, but not original!
huntdj27 2 years ago
@huntdj27 : CG isn't an evolution... it's a different breed... There are different types of dog... So why not different types of animation... Stop-motion can EASILY equal (and BEAT) the quality achievable with CG...
Please check our "Pursuit" video response to this video, to see a sample of what myself and my associates are doing to bring stop-motion animation back to live-action film.
Thanks for commenting.
Vortex42 1 year ago
@Vortex42 I work with animation, and still can affirm that, MANY of the things we use today in cg, were brought from the stop and go motion buddy. I'ts a different breed today, brought up from the good old s.g. motion of the past indeed. Please send me a link of your "pursuit"video. I'd like to give it a check!
huntdj27 1 year ago
I just watched the trailer to the remake. Its more like REPULSIVE than remake. Think if Troy, Lord of the Rings and 300 all mushed into one. Harry Hamlin made a great hero. This looser playing the new Perseus is not a hero as much as vin deisel wanna be.
LONG LIVE THE CLASSICS!!
And just as a warning for you all. They are remaking Westworld as well, with Shwartenagger as the robot cowboy. Guess the just ran out of stories to tell.
thesagebrushkid 2 years ago 5
I hate remakes! I have a hard time accepting the remake of 'Nightmare on Elm Street'. If there's going to be a remake of 'An American Werewolf in London' I swear I'll scream bloody murder.
TheJokerzGirl 2 years ago
I agree - Particularly on the subject of scores... When did all the musical scores in films lose their memorability??? I honestly can't remember the theme to Avatar and I just saw it a few days ago... When I first saw Star Wars I was humming the tune for WEEKS afterwards... similarly with Clash of the Titans.
I also agree that it would be better for Hollywood to stop cashing in on the names of previous efforts, and do something original.
Vortex42 2 years ago
You forgot 'Coraline'.
Anyway, I'm afraid it's too late. The remake is upon us, and the effects are all CGI. Boo-hiss.
MarvelNut 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment!
Bare in mind that Coraline is an (amazing) ALL stop-motion film... This appeal is for more stop-motion creatures in live-action film... So, Coraline doesn't apply to the issue.
As you say, it's too late now - But the appeal was more to raise awareness with the public that stop-motion is now viable as a competitor to CG in live-action creature effects.
All the best! :o)
Vortex42 2 years ago
isn't stop motion photograhy more time consuming and costly than CGI though? Maybe that's why the new COTT will probably be CGI.
porkulator 2 years ago
My associates and I can confirm that stop-motion is a production technique that is comparable (and often quicker) way to produce creature effects, and by it's very nature is competitive in cost... The other bonus is that even the most basic stop-motion creature effect for live-action film will look WAY better than a comparitively priced CG effect (no question about that).
Vortex42 2 years ago
Please don't ruin this one too Hollywood!
jamdude13 2 years ago
FUCK THE REMAKE
dvohland33 2 years ago 9
I also have to add that the actual problem is in the inconsistency movies always have. So it's not the animation form but how the story itself works. If the inconsistency is easy to forgive it is easier for audiences to suspend disbelief. Computer simulation is a big inconsistency today because it isn't invisible to the naked eye. With Stop Motion this has only mattered to picky people as the animation itself is otherworldy.
Dinoslay 2 years ago
Both Stop Motion and CGI work equally well when handled the right way. They would work even better if they were combined. Stop Motion sure can be updated for today's standards if one knows how it's done. The charm in Stop Motion is that you can't abuse it much if at all if you don't understand it's foundation which is the movement and it's still challenging. No such challenge with CGI which is all 3D space in a computer anyways.
Dinoslay 2 years ago
Couldn't agree more with your excellent analysis. A combination of techniques is the healthiest way to make an excellent effects movie.
Vortex42 2 years ago
You guys should stop whining and get a life. Thanks. Bye.
syraxus 2 years ago
LoL
Vortex42 2 years ago
A remake or a "retelling" whatever. Bottom line is Hollywood has run out of ideas for new movies as well as imaginative writers. I'll stick with the original films. I'll spend my money once somebody grows the balls to make the next generation of cult classics like COTT.
CombatRZero 2 years ago 2
Absolutely agree...
I went to see Avatar a few days ago, and I found it to be one of the most forgettable films I have ever seen in my life. I had honestly hoped (without buying into the hype) that there might some vestige of originality in there, simply based on the fact that it was a Cameron picture... And I was sorely disappointed.
Combat, all I can say is watch this space... projects are on the boil here!
Vortex42 2 years ago
First of all. It's not a remake. It is a retelling of an ancient greek mythology. Calling the new movie a remake is like saying that Romeo+Juliet is a remake of Zefirelli's Romeo and Juliet.
Second, CGI effects done right will look much better than any the best stop motion could offer.
Third. This is not a Stephen Sommers movie so we know that the CGI won't suck that bad.
sthenolagniac 2 years ago
No-one who was involved in this appeal suggested in any way that the "CG would suck bad"... All we asked was that they include some stop-motion animated creatures... Which brings me onto your point that "CG done right will look much better than the best stop-motion could offer"... Where exactly do you get the authority to make that statement... I can guarantee you that you are very much mistaken on that point... Stop-motion can easily equal the best that CG can produce.
Vortex42 2 years ago
Perseus has a buzz cut dont expect too much
Jaceoface1 2 years ago 2
Some people are waayyy to picky, King Kong was perfect.
Afireinside912 2 years ago
Which version of King Kong was perfect? I much preferred the first version.
Vortex42 2 years ago
CGI has come a long way but stop motion would look much better imo - to do a real quality stop motion job though requires more time and effort than CGI - they wont do it - they can recoup their investment much faster doing CGI .
Although theyll make less money in the long run when it flops at the box office because I can tell you right now that the remake is going to suck ......... and suck hard .
xtop23 2 years ago
You'd actually be surprised - Stop-motion creatures take a comparable amount of time to produce as CG creatures.
In actual fact, they can take a LOT less time to achieve more satisfying results! and at a competitive cost.
Vortex42 2 years ago
movie makers rely way too much on CGI.
sure it can look good but we are all VERY when they are using it.
for example,when someone is screaming their heads off when faced with a monster,we all know good and hell well that they are standing in front of a blue screen.
we know that the monster isnt really there so it takes away from the experience.
pinkstrawberrypuding 2 years ago
oops.i forgot to write the word aware.
pinkstrawberrypuding 2 years ago
I highly agree! I didn't enjoy Peter Jackson's remake of King Kong cause it was way too much CGI. I had the same problem with the movie '300' even though the battle scenes were awesome.
TheJokerzGirl 2 years ago
I agree with both of you... CG is really conspicuous when you see it in a film. It sticks out like a sore thumb saying "I'm not actually here"... Whereas stop-motion creatures filmed under real light, with a real camera, with all their real textures and at the hands of a master animator will have people engrossed in the picture... particularly with our modern approaches to integrating them with live-action... watch this space!
Vortex42 2 years ago
I do support Stopmotion. It would be nice to have a variety. Sometimes you can tell when something is CGI, but with those stopmotions they practically look realistic.
FandSproduction 2 years ago 3
This movie is in the making for 2010-2011, I'm sure it will be a big hit for the remake, alot of animations. Just cant wait.
TheChessmaster09 2 years ago
Clay animation FTW! Make those animators EARN a paycheck instead of doing lazy ass CGI work. STOP MOTION is awesome and I respect and glorify a good Stop motion animation film anyday. The hours it takes to create a good stop motion film pays off in lots of gratification!
bfitnessjoe 2 years ago
Well, CGI is generic, but there is still a lot of work involved. They still have to make the charcters believable and realistic looking. I do understand though. They need more stopmotion in the market!
FandSproduction 2 years ago
I'm gonna make an appeal for this remake to not be made AT ALL!
CGI or no CGI, they're just gonna fuck it up.
This movie is older than I am, and I treasure the story, plot, character development, and the stop-motion effects.
But honestly, I don't see how they can improve on the original.
Why can't they just leave the classics alone?
Lonsoleil 2 years ago 2
Ok, I just thought of something.
Instead of remaking Clash of The Titans, they should have just made a God Of War movie. Now THAT would be kick-ass!
Lonsoleil 2 years ago 3
I agree. Hollywood always messes up a good classic with a remake. They always change the story and add or remove things. They butchered soo many movies, its pathetic.
masdojo 2 years ago
I'm in the minority when it comes to the new Star Trek (eleven) movie when I say they screwed it up. 40+ years of tradition down the drain.
MusicalFan1701 2 years ago
prolly cuz the same ppl that are involved in movies now love the same classics we do...maybe even more so. since they're motivated to be apart of that industry...& why would someone pass up that opportunity...
suthernroyalty 2 years ago
lonsoleil,you dont see how they can improve on the original?!!... it sucks bigtime,even Harryhausen was dissappointed with it,and it wasnt well received critically or commercially
dancinman77 2 years ago
As many stated here, there's something magical about Stop Motion in combination with live action plates, because the viever KNOWS that it isn't real, which adds to the enchantment. At the time though the animators probably thought that what they accomplished was very realistic, too, especially with the advanced go motion. I think there's a place for everything, whether it's 2D or CGI or what have you. In the end it all comes down to the plot.
polygonSnake2 2 years ago
I also thought CGs were "played out", that is until I saw how they made "The Curious Case of Benjamin Buttons". I think there's still room for CGs to be impressive.
greenbeaverfilms 2 years ago 2
I don't mind cgi, it's just so overused without innovation. If they aren't going to use stop motion, at least do something different with the cgi techniques. I mean Beowulf had an awesome style of cgi, do something original with it at least!
LiquidWave32 2 years ago
I completely agree, CGI sucks ass. I prefer stop motion and puppets over CGI any day. I honestly think puppets give a more realistic effect....
Rexxy1100 2 years ago
I don't care which technology they use. As long as it's awesome and allows us to IMAGINE and escape to that world at that particular time. I am looking forward to the new one being even more awesome!!
Michaelito72 2 years ago
I just wanted to comment about Stop Motion animation really. I just wanted to say that i adore it.
Im not a CGI hater, but I think there are appropriate ways to use it- but artisticly Im not attracted to it, Im not a fan of Digital Art.
I like hand made things, I like textures, I like seeing the artists fingerprint in claymation- such as Wallace and Gromit. For me stop motion feels more real, because it's physicly there, thats magical to me.
I think its a beautiful process. :)
MushroomMai 2 years ago
I didn't like the original because of the stop motion. I really don't like SM. it looks fake most of the time. Sure there might be an over reliance on CG. usually by movies with nothing else to offer. Like Dark Waters- The Sharks looked ok but not as good as Deep Blue Sea. If they (Clash of the Titans) use CG like Peter Jackson and did in King Kong and LOTR, it should be great! I'm all for realism and SM doesn't cut it.
reddevils508 2 years ago
I find all the hate comical really. There really isn't much difference between stop motion and CG to be honest - both are a way of putting a character that couldn't possibly be shot into a plate. The difference is, CG can actually look real, while stop-motion looks, well, like stop-motion animation.
Those of you railing against the use of CG in films seem to be having a bit of difficulty separating the craft from its use by Hollywood directors and producers.
playmesumch00ns 2 years ago 3
Warner Bros. and Legendary Pictures are just killing the magic, it's not good enough and no i am not the generation that grew up when Ray Harryhausen made Clash of the Titans I discovered it recently, I wish I was because we missed something magical and that some people will never understand. This is one of those masterpieces that have sparked and is still sparking imaginations. Stop motion is part of the world of movie magic and that's what we should never forget.
fleshmap 2 years ago
march 26 2010 is when the new closh of the titans drops it looks badass go to movie jungle dotcom to check it out
fluffynugz420 2 years ago
Clash Of The Titans is one of my all-time fav films. And you know why...cuz it's REAL! No fake CGI...pure Harryhausen. CGI blows & it's an easy way out for people actually enhancing a story.
BeachPirate1976 2 years ago
stop motion looks much better than cgi!
Luffse 2 years ago
Are you all a bunch of old fogies that are scared of change? Do you not realize that it is an amazing advancement in technology or are you just spoiled by seeing too much of it? CGI takes plenty of work and can look amazing if done right. I'm tired of hearing all of this bitching all of the time. If you don't like how they are making the movie, just don't see it and STFU! Also, the comments about the "computer doing all of the work for you" are completely ignorant. Should be a good movie. :)
syraxus 2 years ago 2
I totally agree that any comments about "the computer doing the work" are TOTALLY wrong and ignorant. HOWEVER, what we are OFFICIALLY suggesting is that CG is used ALL the time in Hollywood productions, when there are plenty of other techniques which will produce just as impressive imagery. How can you possibly be TIRED of bitching when it is only RECENTLY that people are voicing these opinions? We don't want to REPLACE CGI... We simply want a fair share of the business.
Vortex42 2 years ago
When I personally said "don't let the computer do the work for you" it was a direct critique of one specific guy's CG animation portfolio in which CLEARLY the computer was doing the work for him (the animation was floaty, had no weight or character, no timing, no aniticipation, no secondary action) - He'd clearly set some keyframes and then rendered out the result... HOWEVER, in feature films the CG work is usually superb... It isn't the QUALITY of CG we are annoyed about... It's the QUANTITY!
Vortex42 2 years ago
Us *old fogies* appreciate real craftmanship in making a movie, & CGI doesn't enhance filmmaking. It actually takes away from films. Most films that over-do CGI usually have a weak story to begin with. Now, if CGI is used for some background scenes & a little bit here and there, well that's ok. But I'd rather see stop-motion & real make-up effects than CGI.
BeachPirate1976 2 years ago
I agree with you.
I like hand crafted things, puppets and sets. I have no objection to the use of CGI to enhance special effetcs or enhance a scene- but I think it's more impressive when effort goes into building sets and making puppets.
One reason that I am dissapointed in the 'Alice in Wonderland' adaption by Burton.
I'm not against CGI, I just personaly feel there's the right way to use it, and the wrong way to use it. :)
MushroomMai 2 years ago
Could'nt have said it better myself, I already stated my views on the matter and won't waste my time with the back and forths with people clearly affraid to progress with new forms of art..thanks for the support "syraxus" and ...CGI Forever!!!
DarkOmancer 2 years ago
All you stop motion HOMO'S need to wake up and realize CGI is the future. If you miss your stop motion so muh then take your corny asses back to the past and get over it...CGI Forever!!!
DarkOmancer 2 years ago
Having watched your CGI stuff, over on your channel, I would tackle your assertion that "CGI is the future" thus...
...Not if YOU'VE got anything to do with it!
Vortex42 2 years ago
Thanks for the views, but I never claimed to be a great animator only showing support for the art. I'm sure the proffesionals won't dissapoint the fans..not if stop motion has anything to do with it :)
DarkOmancer 2 years ago
Mate - If you go around blindly calling people names and making blanket statements, you have to expect to get flamed every now and then.
Keep working on your animation - Just remember, don't allow the computer to do the work for you - Just because it can do that doesn't mean you should let it - Take control of your animation and your work will only improve. Do the animation yourself, frame by frame and your CG will look a million dollars!
Vortex42 2 years ago
CGI isn't the future, just the current state of SFX. Most movies that use this type of effect over-do it, & the outcome isn't that impressive. There's nothing like old-fashioned models & real effects to enhance a film. Obviously younger people are 100% behing CGI, but if you grew up on films that mostly used real effects & models, you'd appreciate it more.
Plus, you don't need to call people *Homos* just because you disagree...definitely show your age there.
BeachPirate1976 2 years ago
i work for the company that is making it! we have been on tenerife for the past 2 months building the mount olympus set! it is brilliant! also met liam neeson who is playing zues,by all accounts it looks as though this film will be in the same standard as LOTR!
wizardspocket 2 years ago 2
Wow cant wait to see more!
vikimici 2 years ago
i agree i really like stop motion technology and puppets look how George Lucas ruined the latest star wars trilogy!
phatmatt1176 2 years ago
remake louis leterrier
Rogbab 2 years ago
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Rodimus78 2 years ago
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Rodimus78 2 years ago
I'd love the remake to be stop motion, but lets face it, it wont be
DeathChipmunk 2 years ago
Definately right - There is no way they will do this with stop-motion creatures. I hope we've helped raise awareness that stop-motion is a perfecty valid option however. Projects are in production. Watch this space.
Vortex42 2 years ago
And Hollywood won't put in the time, effort and creativity to work in stop-motion, and so far the cast seems like the typical bad casting from the big studio system.
I liked Sam Worthington in Terminator Salvation (he was about the only good thing in it), but he doesn't strike me as a good Perseus. This new CGI of the Titans (sorry, Clash of...) is going to be a shallow hack job that will make me reach for my 1980s Clash DVD.
mykalroze 2 years ago
Couldn't agree more! I'm getting itchy fingers thinking about it... The DVD isn't but two meters away from where I'm sitting! :o)
Vortex42 2 years ago
That Clash of the Titans has a lightness, a slight tongue-in-cheek nature (at times, more than slight, heh) to it that most likely won't be matched by the remake.
Even if they tried, it would come off heavy-handed.
I sense this new Clash is not going to be any different than the rest of the "big" action movies coming out now, it'll be fast, loud and shallow (with some weak "quiet" moments). Even if it "looks" cool, it'll either be too dark, or too dumb, or both. I'm not holding my breath....
mykalroze 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more with you. Nothing digitally created is ever, ever going to compare with the chills Harryhausen's stop-motion Medusa gave me.
noblebeech 2 years ago
I wonder if they'll make Medusa do backflips, spiral in the air, and literally jump through hoops.... just because they can with CGI. Sigh....
mykalroze 2 years ago
Unfortunately my friend, they probably will. But they might also find it irresitable to have not one, but a horde of 80,000 Gorgons rushing over the crest of a hill toward Perseus, while flying Gorgons fill the sky...
..."sigh" indeed :)
noblebeech 2 years ago
I have yet to see a remake of any movie that is actually good & that sticks to the original storyline. Personlly I dislike CGI because it's overkill & all it takes is learning how to use a pc program. But using stop motion graphics & other such methods are far more creative because it takes out the computer element. It may be more time consumming & more difficult, but the results are well worth it in the end. Aside from visuals, staying true to the original story is vital if portraying a remake.
shinseimori 2 years ago
oh why dont they put in the remake the cyclop,cerberus,hades,minetour,pheniox,hydra and odysseus
mamamoza 2 years ago
Well this is ANOTHER remake I wont be seeing. Even if I think the original is Uncle Ray's weakest film, no stop mo in the remake = no show for me.
Amazingkryptobros 2 years ago
Here is an alternative ..... A TRUE TRIBUTE to HONOR RAY HARRYHAUSEN should include 'some' State of the Art, Modern Stop Motion Creature FX for the 'background' creatures and the CGI (computer FX) for the 'main' creatures. Use BOTH Special Effects methods. You can email .... ATTN: Warner Bros/Legendary Pictures, Director: Louis Leterrier, at this website:
WarnerBrosDOTcom/main/help/customer_service.html
Copy & paste above into your web browser. Remove DOT and replace with period.
StopMoWorks 2 years ago
Warner Bros website:
Be sure to eliminate space between ....
cus tomer
Should be one word ..... customer.
StopMoWorks 2 years ago
the old one sucked perseus balls.
jestegloria 2 years ago
Are you even aware of how braindead you appear when you write a comment like that?
Let me guess - You don't remember a world without an Internet?
Vortex42 2 years ago
This kid just emailed me - He's a good kid. He was joking apparantly.
Vortex42 2 years ago
You guys can rant, rave, bitch, and moan all you want! This movie is gonna be made REGARDLESS of what we think! Don't get me wrong: I'm a fan of Harry's work, and I own the dvd. But the Ball has started to roll. Liam Neeson has signed on to be Zeus and Ray Fiennes is cast to be Hades. I just the Powers That Be choose a great mythological story. Just don't do Hercules.
dfri729 2 years ago
I agree - Nothing said here is going to change anything about this remake. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have been said though.
I work with a group of film-makers determined to put stop-motion back in Live-action film... We are developing several projects and one of those is a short film that will be going into production this year. Several others (including features) are in the pipeline.
But with this being a remake of Clash of the Titans, we had to say something! :o)
Vortex42 2 years ago
Hopefully, they've approached Harry to do the stop-motion. If they haven't, they would be making a huge mistake. To make 'Clash of the Titan' with CGI with be nothing short of, dare I say, blasphey!
dfri729 2 years ago
I don't care if Harryhausen himself says he endorses a CGI remake of CLASH OF THE TITANS, I refuse to see a remake of it without stop-motion animation and am more likely to see it if it has stop-motion and Harryhausen supervises it. I am not worried about seeing it since Hollywood refuses to understand that we are all sick and tired of CGI. It's in movies, TV and videogames and it was cool once but I am burned out on it now. Give us a break from CGI. Bring on the stop-motion animation!
biffmercury 2 years ago
They are remaking this? Stop motion picture? Sure they were very good in the old days but you can't just live in the past. Else we would all be living in caves and eating raw meat.
Uouttooo 2 years ago
Eh!?
I don't get it when people refer to stop-motion as "old" as if no-one has done it for hundreds of years... Every year more and more stop-motion films are made, advancing the technology and techniques to higher and more impressive plateaus.
The only area where stop-motion ISN'T being used often is in Live-action films - There is NO good reason for that other than a lack of imagination and the brainless belief that...
"MORE CG MAKES BETTER! DUH!".
Vortex42 2 years ago
Its giving me and my company work. I start working on the head gear tomorrow.
The original was good but not brilliant, either way I couldn't give a flying fck.
LouisPlume 2 years ago
So - You are about to start work on a Big Budget feature for a Hollywood Major, and you couldn't give a flying f*ck... I wonder why I'm not altogether surprised.
Anyway - I hope you do have fun on the show, even if I do think the Producers are missing a trick, and personally believe the remake shouldn't be going ahead at all.
Glad to know someone is getting something out of it at least.
Vortex42 2 years ago
Its mostly a British movie, Hollywood money, British workers. America cant make sword and sandal stuff it always has to come here.
Ive seen the costume designs and Im disappointed, but we had no work until the pound went down, and then we got Centurion about the Roman Army in Scotland that'll be crap, Eagle of the Ninth about the Roman army in Scotland and this.
Trust me I take historical accuracy very seriously but designers love to design.
LouisPlume 2 years ago
The main objection to remaking Titans is more than just the usual complaining about Stop Motion vs CG, Titans was Ray H's own creation as a film as well as the effects. This is not a remake of any old classic legend - it 's a remake of RAY'S classic film! That's the biggest distinction here. If they are going to remake a film by an artist of his magnitude, then they should be interested in doing it the way HE would. This is a slap in the face of a master who's shoes they are not worthy to shine.
animatorIsomer 2 years ago 2
seriously i bet it will have a nod to the stop motion in the original but lets all be honest none of us are backing this movie financially so shut up and just be happy sam worthington (terminator salvation) is playing the hero so no it wont be poorly casted. why do people have to bitch and moan if u dont like it dont watch it plain and simple
MarvelHero402 2 years ago
No - I won't shut up.
This movie shouldn't be getting made at all. It's a slap in the face of Ray Harryhausen who inspired most of us to become film-makers. The guys is alive and well - He is disgusted that this remake is going ahead...
So I won't shut up. Why?... Because I actually care. If this film is being "remade" it should be done in a way that pays absolute homage to the guy who made the original the memorable film it was. But we all know that isn't what is going to happen.
Vortex42 2 years ago
CGI looks like shit.
grp504 2 years ago 3
I loved Clash Of The Titans and I am all for a remake. It just had better be good. Though to be honest I think I would rather see it with CGI then stop animation. Stop animation may have come far from what it was but honestly it still looks like a cartoon. The last thing I want in a clash remake is cartoon like characters.
nefar73 2 years ago
It's going to full of CGI and going to be a disappointment. The original has a simplicity, an easygoing nature to it that's going to all but buried within the confines of some CGI-filled mess, with a huge budget, with big names, and little else. It's going to be poorly cast, like most big Hollywood flicks, and the focus will be on the CGI action scenes. They need to just leave this movie alone. It's fine as it is.
mykalroze 2 years ago
Just a quick note to bestow blessings on vortex42.
You are a genius sir. May you live to 100.
fireplug111 2 years ago 2
The prevailing laziness in the movie industry will continue the march of tired CGI. The courage to use a truly unique FX (stop-motion) is non-existant.
raincoatriver 2 years ago
Good CGI is so much better than Stop Motion, or even Go Motion. Just look at King Kong (2005), Wall-E, Lord of the Rings, etc.
The only reason some people want the remake to be done in Stop Motion is because of nostalgia.
AliG4life 2 years ago
Good CGI isn't better than good Stop-motion... In saying that, I've decided to stop trying to tell people that - It's actually more effective to SHOW them... Watch this space.
Vortex42 2 years ago
So what are, in your opinion, the movies with the best Stop Motion? I'll see if I can watch those.
AliG4life 2 years ago
Great appeal! Call me a supporter! But this is Hollywood, ya know! Most are cheating, lying, copycat cads! They will strip the idea and make it with cheap CGI and overused sound effects.
I bet you.
Moseslawgiver 2 years ago
that's not only stop mo animation that made you love this film. that's ALL the special effects of these years wich have been charming us. all the matte paintings, the optical effects. remember superman 2 ? the superpowers were great. because they havent been done by computers.
its a WHOLE thing, not only stop motion.
i think this request is nonsense. or else, all the movie have to be done with lovables 80's special effects to bring back the magic of these years.
zecle 3 years ago
Holy crap stop-motion really does look more real than cgi.
SolidusSymbiote 3 years ago
CGI is just a tool for lazy hollywood fucks that have no talent! I'd like the remake to be good, but chances are it'll be another CGI crapafest with a bunch of rappers and models in the lead roles. Screw Hollywood- I hope the big one hits before they can make this film.
enigmaticocean 3 years ago 2
i dont care what people say about stop-motion, it still has more puch over cgi. just because most people asume its had its day dosn't mean it truly has. this is what i wanna break, this mould of 'its cgi only', i hope ill be one of many that will bring stop-motion back to films tv and documentrys in the future to come. also see my uni clip of Harryhausens insperation on me!
Dragonlordmike 3 years ago 2
Admittedly I cringe at the idea of someone remaking one of the greatest mythological films of all time. The acting was superb, the scenes were intense, and even in its day the animations were near flawless. This video was an excellent example that the art is something we'd like to see not lost in time. Everyone upgrade has upgraded to CGI not to better quality but to just be faster about it. I prefer the London werewolf over the Paris werewolf any day!
DouglasCreep 3 years ago 2
This is one of my favorite movies ever. I'm actually getting a tattoo of all the characters on my arm. They better do the original justice. You need CGI, The Krakken, the giant vulture.... there's no way to do it otherwise. Casting is key, need that all star cast, like the original.
BirdsFan53620 3 years ago
"I'm actually getting a tattoo of all the characters on my arm. "
Not of the mechanical Bubo I gather.
TheJediCharles 3 years ago
I just found out Louis Leterrier is doing it. I'm going to cry, now.
99rhetbaboons 3 years ago
Fully agree. CGI sometimes looks good, but that's when you can't tell it's cgi, and 99.7 percent of the time you can, and it's just real lame. And there are some creatures that are more believable in stop motion; like any golem type creature, like the minoton and things like that. At any rate, we've seen the recent spate of "remakes", which would indicate, I'm sorry to say, that this one, too, will be utterly retarded shite.
99rhetbaboons 3 years ago
I agree fully!
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BuBuDaNy 3 years ago
Sorry everyone if I respectfully disagree.
I don't care what technique is used, as long as it is executed well and lends to the believability of the picture. None of the "examples' displayed here would be worthy.
Ray Harryhousen was a wizard in his time, and I honor and respect him and his work, but that time has passed.
thudman99 3 years ago
Spare us your pretentious flattery Nutty McBuddy. People like you are too fatuous to comprehend and embrace the words HONOR and RESPECT is. It's comments like that makes you convicted of the very crime that Hollywood as committed and that's blatant ageism.
-R78
Rodimus78 3 years ago
I really dunno. I am still scarred when i first saw james and the giant peach(stop motion). But I'm also freaked out by violet's transformation in 2005's Charlie and the chocolate factory(CGI).
gransabermezo 3 years ago
Thank You Prammaven for seeing the light! Just as we heard rumors that this remake was going to be made, we are now hearing rumors that the studio has turned tail and will not. I hope we had something to do with that. Not just because we think that Mr.Harryhausen's work should never be replaced but because there is no need to remake it at all! Will the people of Hollywood learn to just leave the past alone and find their own talents? Remakes are for cowards and Hollywood is full of them.
animatorIsomer 3 years ago
Megaritz - Couldn't agree more!
Vortex42 3 years ago
I enjoy CGI when it's done well, but I think SMA is severely underused. I think we could start seeing some fantastic innovation in the technique, if only movies would actually use it more. We've been seeing CGI for quite a while now, and I think it's time Hollywood took the risk and make a few major films that use extensive SMA. CotT would be a great one to do that with.
Megaritz 3 years ago
Stop Motion was the best method they had back then to create the creaure effects, but now it's CGI. I realy don't understand why people hate CGI, it's the stop motion of our time and takes less time to create and I personaly think it looks better but your all free to like what you want. To use stop motion this day and age for movies would look rediculous to the evolved public eye.
DarkOmancer 3 years ago
DarkOmancer - Couldn't agree less!
Vortex42 3 years ago
'Evolved'? If 'evolved' means you no longer have any appreciation for art, then I guess you would be correct. I guess then that you feel that if someone can take a photo - why bother doing a painting? If you can scan the dimensions of a real person and have a machine produce a replication of their exact form, why bother with a sculpture? And if I already have my own opinion, why should I bother reading your closed minded one? Why bother, I'm talking to a Cylon.
animatorIsomer 3 years ago
I just really hope that whatever happens they do the Classic original of 1981 justice, as it is one of my favorite films of all time, Greek Mythology at it's best!
Fadi1961 3 years ago
I love Ray Harryhausen's work. A true genius!!
greekcreek 3 years ago
ive never seen the original (however now its on my list of dvds to buy) but all i can say is make the new version using SMA !!! Then legendary productions (not really very legendary, just doing what everyone does btw) should ask everyone on its first preview how they thought the animation was done, and as long as it was up to the quality of some of the clips in this, no one could give you an answer.
cl4ymati0n 3 years ago
By the way... there was a phrase used in this thread that rubs me the wrong way every time I've read it, "Stop Motion is a 'dying art'." That assertion couldn't be more wrong. No visual art has ever 'died' just as no musical form has ever 'died'. It may be NEARLY dead in Hollywood but, so are many of the brains that work there. Every time someone makes the claim that an art form is 'dying' they are proven wrong. They say the car 'killed' the horse and buggy, which is funny - there still around.
animatorIsomer 3 years ago
The BEST demonstrations I have seen of CGI done on a lower budget in the same frame with live action looks like a video game at best. The eyes of audiences today can easily spot that and consequently the effects fail to pass as anything other than a cheap CGI effect. GREAT stop motion can be done on a low budget AND pass the test of looking real next to the actors.
The arguments against that are something that I will simply have to tolerate for the time being but, plans ARE in the works!
animatorIsomer 3 years ago
The market for Idie films is huge and growing, but in the world of Idie film the opposite about animated effects is the opposite from what it is in Hollywood - it is rare that CGI can look as good on a lower budget as SMA can. That may be something that has yet to be demonstrated but, I have zero doubt about that. All we can do is PROVE that to be the case. Cheap CGI fails to look like it belongs in the real world next to an actor but SMA IS real to begin with.
animatorIsomer 3 years ago
Audiences today get far more of their entertainment from sources OTHER than Hollywood and the ticket sales in movie theaters continues to fall, on the other hand- the online market for alternative sources of entertainment is booming and growing.
SMA has a look that is DIFFERENT and based on that fact alone, audiences will desire it. The worst thing entertainment can do is be redundant, We have been beaten over the head with CGI for over a decade... people want something ELSE!
animatorIsomer 3 years ago
There is a market for stop motion of the Harryhausen style that would be foolish to ignore. The mentality of people today says that if an art form can't succeed by making people mega-rich then it simply shouldn't be done at all. If that were the case, there would be no off-Broadway plays, Opera houses or any other non-mainstream art to be found anywhere. But the opposite is true! Granted, Hollywood may never accept a proposal to make Sinbad 8 in stop motion but, that doesn't mean a thing.
animatorIsomer 3 years ago
One of the greatest advantages SMA has in the new era, is that audiences get to see the behind the scenes extras as part of the DVDs they buy. And lets be real here, when I watch the extras of people creating CGI effects it puts me to sleep.
Any of the assertions I've read here that make the claim that SMA is limited by the physical nature of it, is just flat-out ignorant of the creative ability of spfx artists and animators today and that is an ignorance I'm dead tired of hearing.
animatorIsomer 3 years ago
It's not the effect, it's how you use it. And the reason Stop Motion hasn't been nor will be used again by big studios is obvious from everyone's answers here, they just want to make money with something irrelevant disguised as relevant in order to make that money. And CGI is a perfect mind numbing tool for that. Stop Motion has a future elsewhere, not an industry driven by greedy inmates.
Dinoslay 3 years ago
I totally agree. Stop motion is a dying art, and to remake such a classic I think the only way to make it anywhere near as good as the original, they need to use stop motion.
JDogg1329 3 years ago
I don't agree with this appeal.
Let me first say, I love Ray H.'s work and appreciate stopmotion.
However, I don't see the priority in using it for it's own sake.
The fact is this; If the special effects are EFFECTIVE, you should not be able to tell how they were done. Being able to to tell, the technique betraying itself, is a statement in it's failure, not it's homage or appreciation.
Don't waste your time begging for a technique. Beg for whatever is used to be done WELL.
TheJediCharles 3 years ago
If stop-motion was done well I think you'd be a bit stumped as to how it was made (it no longer has the same tell-tale markers that say "This is stop-motion"). You'd probably first think it was a new advancement of CG. That is, until you were told it was created by stop-motion animators. The appeal isn't about using the technique for the sole reason of nostalgia - But rather because it is an entirely valid FX artform which can, today, easily match and surpass the visual standards of CG.
Vortex42 3 years ago
"If stop-motion was done well I think you'd be a bit stumped"
That applies to every special effect.
"it no longer has the same tell-tale markers that say "This is stop-motion"
CGI capabilities are improving as well. That doesn't mean it can't be screwed up, and again, the same applies to stop-motion.
"it is an entirely valid FX artform"
I don't go to films to see special effects. I go to NOT see them but instead the reality they're attempting to be mistaken for.
TheJediCharles 3 years ago
If you're in fact advocating SM simply not being ruled out entirely for whatever reason, I'd agree.
However, I'd not agree with any effort to hold it to higher in priority to CGI for whatever reason.
The issue isn't the materials the artist uses. It's was the chosen materials used effectively.
TheJediCharles 3 years ago
If there was any truth to your statement regarding stop motion having the ability of surpassing the realism and flexibility of CGI, then SMA would be what you see on the big screen. BUT you don't see stop motion used to represent characters on the big screen(aside from asthetic pieces like Corpse or Elf). Regardless of how you may feel about SMA capabilities, the FX world and general public clearly see CGI as the "better/preferred" medium of choice, rendering your statement false.
blaisingm 3 years ago
I hope this new one will be stop motion animation like the old. I'm really tired of CGI in every movie nowadays, whether it is bad or good, low budget or high, everything is CGI, and stop motion would be something different and add a vintage touch that will honor the old in a good way.
darkdanu89 3 years ago
Couldn't agree more. A modern film with stop-motion effects would stand out beautifully. Look how crap some of the recent Star Wars cgi characters clashed with the actors. Jabba? Pah!
allaboutdmagic 3 years ago
Enthusiasm for stop motion is great, but re-making Clash of the Titans in stop motion doesn't make any sense. First off, it's already been done before. Second, the original film never did well at the box office to begin with. CGI is far easier and cheaper to accomplish than traditional stop motion, so expect CGI to be the cinema standard moving forward. However, stop motion's popularity has never ever been as prevalent as it is today. Stop motion is more popular today than ever!!
blaisingm 3 years ago
The decision to use stop-motion or CG in a "remake" production is unrelated to the question of whether or not to make the remake in the first place. The Studio and Producers have decided to remake Clash *despite* it's original lack-luster box-office. This is because they see it has a huge cult following that will secure sales... All of this rides on the fact that the original used stop-motion. Despite your belief - modern stop-motion animation is FAR cheaper to produce than CG.
Vortex42 3 years ago
Apparently, I didn't understand the question then. But I stand firm that Clash should not be remade. It's fantastic as it stands. Remakes almost never do well at the box office even when the originals are huge smashes (King Kong?). The Clash remake is in it's infancy and I anticipate that it will not be made. Even Harry thinks the idea is bad. A Clash remake would require a big budget with an original that faired poorly. Maybe a low budget direct to DVD?
blaisingm 3 years ago
I am with you on that... I too, as do many of us, believe Clash shouldn't be remade. Unfortunately it looks like they are going ahead with it - So we are basically just requesting that they at least use it as a chance to show how far stop-motion has evolved. We know they probably won't lisen. But it's important to at least voice our request/appeal.
Vortex42 3 years ago
I really don't think anyone has much to worry about as I doubt it will be remade, at least not as a theatrical run. Right now it is all talk and some writing by Kasdan. A large budget Clash just isn't going to draw enough attention at the box office. But stop motion is stronger than ever, with many recent theatrical (Corpse Bride, Elf) incarnations. CGI is all the rage and is an over-used media. Film makers love it for it's flexibility and movie goers dump all their money into it.
blaisingm 3 years ago
CG is so heavily used because there is a clear connection between high volume ticket sales and high volume CGI effects. Stop motion never had that connection outside Ray's work. Even films with the best stop motion (Dragonslayer) suffered from horrific ticket sales. Companies (Lucasfilm) have tons of money invested in CGI (films and video games) that generate gross amounts of money. So, that's where film makers are going to continue to invest. But don't think that stop motion isn't used.
blaisingm 3 years ago
I'm keenly aware of just how prevailant stop-motion is these days. I also understand that ILM and WETA-DIGITAL are companies owned and operated by two of the biggest Director/Producers on the Planet... These film-makers are also business men who have a vested interest in selling CG effects (at least Jackson has WETA-WORKSHOP as well!). What I, and others have a problem with is that while SMA is being used extensively (now more than ever) it never gets a look into live-action creature effects.
Vortex42 3 years ago
By the way - visitors here should check out BlaisingM's self-produced "Dino Dreams" video. It's really impressive given it was done on a shoestring.
Vortex42 3 years ago
Thanks for the "plug"!! Long live stop motion!!
blaisingm 3 years ago
I don't think SM will ever return as a visual media for creature effects on the big screen. CGI prices continue to plummet as computer technology increases. CGI is far more flexible and evolving for film makers to ever return to stop motion. SMA has limitations that CGI does not. CGI can continue to improve while SMA cannot (unless massively aided by CGI). I love SMA, but it cannot compete with CGI in the film industry.
blaisingm 3 years ago
That simply shows (no offence) a misunderstanding of the capabilities of today's stop-motion animators/film-makers.
Stop motion can match and in fact surpass CG for creature effects. I, and others, intend to prove that point.
I respect your opinion... But I would say - hang on - Because you've not seen anything yet. Stop-motion is coming back to creature effects - and it will be like nothing you've seen before.
Vortex42 3 years ago
I love your enthusiasm for SMA! But, if what you suggest is true, then SMA would occupy some degree of creature FX in the big budget film industry. Stop motion (as with anything that is a physical object) is a limited medium that is only capable of so much. CGI is not restrained by the laws of physics because it doesn't exist in the real world. This is what makes SMA, animatronics, etc "limiting". So, explain the technology that will bring SMA back on screen...
blaisingm 3 years ago
I want to know more about how (what technology) stop motion will re-replace CGI for creature FX. You're argument is compelling, but completely lacks evidence, or even a suggestion of how SMA will re-replace creatures in films.
blaisingm 3 years ago
Some techologies/technics that will revolutionise stop-motion in live-action film...
Cable-controlled puppets :
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Motion Control cameras :
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Stop-Motion capture software with Onion-skinning :
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These tools, alongside the art of digital compositing, grading and match-move-software, will transform stop-motion in live-action film.
That - And the will to make it happen!