Military sabre drills

[sb007]

Hello , i would like to ask you, what is the source for those hungarian sabre techniques? ..Is it some sort of military manual/drill book ?(if so what is the name of the author/year of origin) , and also is this method native to hungary or borrowed from western european sources?..thank you very much

p.s: i apologize if this question was already raised

[normalukrainian]

Unfortunately there is no manual. But technics are directly from Austrian drill-master from beginning of 20-th century.

[ZRIJENKOVICH]

Леп снимак.

А како се зове песма и извођач? Поздрав из Србије.

[jojo0937]

Hi, nice video

I have to say, even if it's rude to criticise some else's work, that you must synchronize your footworks with the top of your body. In real combat blows, you would risk hard leg cuts from your own blade. No bad moves, just "sync'" if you see what I mean (anyway from a horse the question disappears) :)

[joecoxy2]

Thanks for the demonstration video-It's nice to see the motion slowed down a bit. Now I can actually practice the movements. Thanks!

[normalukrainian]

You're welcome!

[Zvenygora]

Я перепрошую, а хіба угорська школа то не робота кистю? А ви тут машете від ліктя, як казав Володийовський (до речі, український католик, бо з України і герба Корчак) Кміціцові - "Ващ махаш як цепем".

[normalukrainian]

Так, дійсно, техніці фехтування як угорською, так і польською шаблею є робота і з плеча і з ліктя, і кистю. На даному відео початковий урок- демонстрація напрямів ударів і проосто координація кроків з рухами. Найкраще це демонструвати саме з плеча.

[CptReed]

is that hungarian or russian??

[normalukrainian]

Hungarian, wit Ukrainian cossack's elements :)

[PissedDwarf7]

Hi,

I do polish sabre in Sydney Australia;

what is the name of the Hungarian fencing school?

[enlev1540]

if you mean lanquage its not hungarian its an slavic language ,,,

[amairgenn]

some techniques are nice, but too little...

[BoxingAlcibiades]

Hi! I'm the guy in the video. The point of the filming (which I never actually dreamed would be released here, since YouTube didn't exist at the time), was to provide a visual reference for Normalukrainian's practice.  Everything that's there is there for a specific reason to support that practice... but realize, "the map is not the terrain!" :)

[joeharris1306]

Very entertaining and a good grounding. It's ok reading hutton and looking at diagrams of the six cuts, but it's better watching it done; with a proper sabre. Very entertaining. Thanks 8-)

[marekeda]

Nice song and greetings from L'viv!:-)

[Bonkerbomber]

Would be much quicker to move just the wrist instead of the whole arm... moving the whole arm is not very fast and it opens your guard. Also your footwork needs improvement. I would recommend "Cold Steel" by Alfred Hutton. Its not the hungarian way of fencing but a must for every saberfencer.

[joeharris1306]

They are much heavier than sport sabres and the technique is designed to hurt not just touch.Sport sabres are supposed to represent the italian duelling sabre - a 30" razor blade. A knock at one of those by a shamshir or a hungarian sabre and it'd be toast.

[nandus1989]

Yeah, and the traditional fencing in the 17th century and before needed to cut throught the enemy's armour sometimes. We're learning to include our upper arm's and shoulder's power to the blob too. The're also wrist-techs, but they intend only to do light damage with rhe blind-edge.

[Kortoso]

Good edge control with the sword in the beginning. You might like to try some test-cutting. That blade would be devastating with that technique.

[Kostagh]

This is almost a scimitar. This type of sword is actually used by light, assault cavalry ONLY.

For infantry, the most usefull is a straight, double edged sword. The sword herewith only allows single edge slashing. Such swords were used by horse-riding armies since antiquity (sarmatians, dacians, thracians, etc.). Whereas, infantry based armies used straight swords (e.g. roman legions, scottish highlanders - claymoore a.s.o.) always double edged.

[normalukrainian]

The curved sword is mine-reproduction of shamshir made of aviational aluminium. Good only for training and demonstration. As you see, other swords-are real hungarian sabre and a shashka.

[armag333]

The word 'sabre' and similar words in other languages come from the hungarian word: 'szablya' (pron. about sabya). 'szab' means to cut, slash, and 'szablya' is the weapon, which cuts an slashes.

[nandus1989]

No, my friend, the sabre was widespread among infantrymen too!

[ablairmekkis]

@Kostagh The sabre has a false edge on the back of the blade for reverse cuts. There are drills for this kind of curved blade to be used on foot.

[aps454]

what band sings this great song???

[normalukrainian]

Гайдамаки Haydamaky

[GRABA85]

Sory, but the movements are uneconomic. In sabrefight that kind of moves are just to slow. Also the footwork is wrong. "Hungarian & highland broad sword" is made for horse fighting. Most of complex moves shown in that video are just useless.

[normalukrainian]

Actually there was just a drills to learn the movements, and lines of attack. There was no actual sparring activity on this tape. Ad we didn't have a horse eather...

About speed and foot work you don't need to teach me. I was raised in Ukraine and know what actual fighting looks like :)

[69newname]

Actually, the criticism was constructive. The movements are too broad and leave you open -- only for slashing from horseback. There is no footwork. Try sparring with a sport fencer and you will see what happens when your sword arm is behind your back; it even happens in your video around 1:13. I grew up in Ukraine too, and do not recall seeing many sword fights. I recommend a year or two of sport fencing, you'll learn precious basic principles that you can later apply to real weapons.

[normalukrainian]

You are right, but in real situation sport fencer will be hurt pretty fast, sport fencers work on fast techniques and precision how to TOUCH an opponent, but after they touched him, there is no disarm, or overkill-they'll be executed with strong slash half a second later. You can read some military fencing literature-like A Hutton- "the art of fencing with sabre"

[normalukrainian]

О, козаче, бачу шанувальника книжки Заблоцького "Ciencia prawdziwa szhabla" Також читав. Але не треба на цьому зациклюватись. Плюс до того, щось там також не видно елементів спортивного фехтування. Плюс до того не вживаються удари fals edge -зовнішньою загостреною частиною шаблі.

[BoxingAlcibiades]

In case you're monitoring the thread, you are exactly correct about the movement of the arm. One must learn how to cut powerfully while moving naturally, without presenting open lines to the enemy. This is more difficult than it sounds, and requires much practice.

[jimdesu]

Oh yeah? Say that when he cuts you down like a dog. I've seen him sparring and he's a red-hot monster.

[dreakfansunite]

Dude...who sings this song???? Much different from what I remember. Is this Bratsvo Hyduky?

[entmage]

is that polish?

[normalukrainian]

You can read description:

Few drills from Hungarian sabre techniques including few Ukrainian cossacks sabre movements.

[entmage]

oh ok, didn't see that there

[HvatKondrat]

Let cossacks remember, that such the Tatar sabre

[normalukrainian]

Actually no. Not only tatars used curved sabres. From Indian Tulvars-through all midlle East (shamshir schimitar) Turkey (ottoman style sabre) and to Central Europe (Ukrainian cossaccks sabre) This kind of blade was very popular.

[HvatKondrat]

The curve sabre is a sabre of the Tatar It is difficult for me to speak in this language :(

[uktena1]

no thys is not polish

[michajloh]

Dopyshyt' w [tags] European martial arts bude bilshe hladacziv!

[stillborn99]

Dobrijni gobrijni anuna koynijni

[normalukrainian]

Is it in turkish? Would be nice to know what that means.

[michajloh]

Good looks!

Vivat Cossacks!