Cryogenic Treatment of Engine Parts

[DidYouSeeTheSunrise]

lol thats a huge cam!

[jules2c]

There are no scientific papers on this subject that I can find. Wiki has no info of any meaningful mechanism, theiir only references were the industry itself, where is some indipendant proof?

[shades2]

-300 Degrees F is = -184.4 Degrees C

Nowhere near absolute zero.

[hydrogenix]

In United States they usually use Farengeit instead of celcius. So for all of you smartasses who learned to google for an absolute zero temperature, -300 degrees is iqual to (rounded) 180 below zero in celcius scale. And that temperature is reached with nitrogen or helium. Read before posting stupid stuff. By the way, what modifications on the metal structure can be reachid with cryo-treatment? Thanks

[thenextbigone]

@hydrogenix actually absolute zero can't be reached with either of those substances.

[hydrogenix]

@thenextbigone where did I said that with those substances absolute zero can be reached? quote O_o

[ANUBISDYNAMICS]

How do I get one of those systems?

[fiatnutz]

@ANUBISDYNAMICS - Make one.

[peekayboo]

@ANUBISDYNAMICS try liquid nitrogen

[Dogurasu]

@ANUBISDYNAMICS

You can buy them from Cryotron Cryogenic Equipment, Russells technical Products, DMP CryoSystems and many others.

You can find other dealers with a little online research.

[tiddlywink100]

How does cryogenic treatment affect to metal to improve it durability? Does the molecular structure change somehow?

[coal4life]

I met a guy at the track who told me that he had his engine parts clamped down on a vibration table to relax the grain struture on the castings ect. Wonder what doing both this and that might do.

[matt97gst]

how much does it cost?

[zeppelin67637]

Doesn't it make you wanna smack it with a hammer just to see if it will shatter?

[1Volans]

If anyone is interested in purchasing QTY (8) Cryogenic Cleaning Units please advise by leaving me a post.

The units have never been used , frm: Sumitomo.

Location of units: Florida.

[mototola86]

ha haaaa 300

absolute zero is −273.15° on the Celsius scale

And

−459.67° on the Fahrenheit scale

[dirrtyjay]

ever thought about that this vid was made in america and they talk about fahrenheit here?

[cp120x]

@mototola86 I had a cheap laugh just like you when I saw and heard -300'C ! ;) Good science ! LOL

[9c1]

How much does this process cost? Does price differ from parts being frozen? I'd assume no since you place all parts in the same freeze state for the same time. Is this cost effective if the parts being frozen are aluminum? What is the strengthening percentage from regular aluminum to cryo treated aluminum? I'm working on a motor build and want to know if this would be at all benefical to aluminum from a price standpoint. Thanks

[spearmarine]

What is the element use to cool them? is it Nitrogen or Oxygen ?

[marek0086]

no element is used!

lack-of-heat is used.

[jellykelly696]

Lack of heat!?? so how do they remove all the heat in the area where the parts are treated?? Is it done by storing them in a vacuum chamber where all the heat and atmospheric pressure are removed!! Because space is like a vacuum!!!

and its really really cold in space. Like -300 degrees below zero.....hmmn??

[AnAmericanFan]

@jellykelly696 ask the question more clearly and I might be able to help you. This is not some deep dark sinister black art although I often question the universal claims made of cryo treatment. It does not always work on all parts or materials. There are non technical shysters out there that wil claim all sort of wonder things with cryo treatment. These guys are performing one of the more believable processes used often for such parts.

[theimaginator16]

@marek0086 he's talking about the Periodic Table of Elements... you know, Science?

[marek00086]

@theimaginator16~ The gas composition inside is that of atmospheric air.... at very low temperature!

They dont pump any other gas inside.... like, for example, when "Nitriding" metal.

[seasonedtoker]

liquid nitrogen. anyway you need a machine to precisely graduate and adjust the cooling. you cannot just dip the parts in a LN2 container. that will cause thermal shock and your object will become what you don't want them to be.

[jmans093]

The special freezers use liquid nitrogen.

[AnAmericanFan]

@spearmarine liquid or other wise called cryogenic nitrogen is used.

[fiatnutz]

The process is used on aluminum parts all the time, you just don't get the same bennifits as you do in iron-based metals. Still, it's a process that should be done on performance parts, and others.

[bigdaddy234567]

Hey John, Love your vids man, Keep them coming! Quick question, you said the process doesent improve aluminum, isint that honda block aluminum?

[copperwind1]

How long does the metal need to remain below 300 and does this process improve aluminum parts?

Thanks John

[fiatnutz]

The soaking process takes 24 hours and then into an oven @ 200-300 degrees for another 12 hours.

[smvuy]

can this work in cast parts?

[fiatnutz]

Extermely well on cast parts, they run cooler, cylinders stay rounder, head stay straighter - all +++.

[smvuy]

thank you, that will make cast parts as strong as billet or forged?

[fiatnutz]

No.

[30GB]

throw a sterling engine on there

[dwsnare]

Cryogenic temperings been out for lots of years now. In fact i watched a bit of a doco on it, & baseballers were tempering their baseball bats, which made them that strong, that when the ball was hit, the pitcher didn't have enough time to react with the return hit, & hense, would cop a baseball straight in the head, or body area. Who would ever thought that freezing something so cold, would make such a difference. Gotta get me a machine.

[yurikarkinovich]

nice i learn new stuff thx mr jhon.and that a great idea logical idea i mean.i asume the extrem cold minus300 OMG make the molecules or atoms tighter right=?so when they got hot i think will get stronger AWESOME VID

[1skiinIan]

WOW! I didn't know this john! thanks!

[zapwatt]

John is my main man, as always. Good stuff!

[pantherxx010]

man I didnt know freezeing them makes them stronger.

[citydriver]

ya learn something usefull from every video thanks john

[poy41]

badass! can you post move videos on this?

[fiatnutz]

Go find the May/June issue of Sand Sports Magazine, I wrote the article and it has a lot more info about cryo. JE...

[4x4Mudmaster]

do they have a website?and all your vids are awesome!

[ls6guy]

wow