UFC 104: Machida vs. Shogun Post Fight Opinions

[cprince305]

Mad respect for this guy. One of the few Machida fans that actually saw the fight everyone else did. By the way I saw your video with the Gi when it came out and yes, I felt insulted by your prediction... In fact I thought you all were retarded but, after watching this video I gotta give u my respect.

[pjo12]

i don't think it's all the talking that ruins mma. it's the terible judging

[minibuzz101]

First of all i dont think shogun should have got the title shot.... also i was reading on a website that Machida took the fight with a broken hand that is why he didnt counter as much dont no if that is true or not. Overall i thought Machida won the fight he used better combo's... stopped takedowns and the only time i thought the fight might finish was at the end of the 3 round when machida pushed foward... so i think it was the right decision

[failedsuicide1]

i like the fact that he's open minded about this i personally thought machida won though it was a very close fight. I'm with him on the scoring system there are a lot of flaws in the system. The only thing that bothered me just before the fight was how much dana white was talking up shogun and not saying much about machida same with the commentators. They pointed out all the good things rua did but failed to talk about the counter strikes of machida. Just for the record i like rua too

[VValrus]

And ur comment about if they were to score fights differently, i feel if the scoring system was different the fighters would have faught a different fight, possibly would even come in the fight with a different gameplan completely...you never know. It's unfair to judge them on a different system because they faught that fight feeling they were being judged by a 10 point must and 9 or less for loser. SO please ppl, dont start judging this fight by different scoring systems...

[VValrus]

Another question i have...when 35% of somebody's strikes are being COMPLETELY evaded whereas ur opponent is either landing or forcing u to BLOCK each of his strikes do you not look at accuracy when judging this? From what me and apparently a lot of others saw INCLUDING ALL THREE JUDGES...about 35% of Rua's strikes either missed COMPLETELY or barely touched Machida...whereas about 95% of Machida hits LANDED somewhere. Any feedback on how you feel accuracy should be judged if even at all?

[ChrisYSoccerFS]

Wtf Machida was dead he could barely walk at the end of the round

He was throwing the most weakest punches in he last 2 rounds cause he was done,

He was suprised that he even won at the end, did u see him shake his head before the announced who won? Even he was surprised.

Machida was done, Machida was bruised everywhere, his ribs and mostly his legs, Shogun was fine cause Machida did nothing

[VValrus]

I believe the judges finsh scoring the rounds as they end...and in the first 2 rounds it didn't seem the kicks were really hurting Machida. Despite how many he landed, they didn't seem to be doing much damage yet alone effecting him until later in the 3rd, 4th and 5th round.

Anyways, i have a question...Do you feel evading a strike should be scored the same as blocking a strike? If not, how differently do you think they should be judged?

[funkyseefunkydo]

meh... cant be bothered listening to you. anyways as much as all the fans who want Shogun to win, he didnt ok.. the past is the past, lets look forward to fight 2.

[tman229]

I can actually respect what he's saying even though I believe Machida won that fight. True enough it the fight could be scored 10-10 or the fight was decided on a whole then yes Shogun clearly would have won. However that was not the case and I believe it was safe to say Machida did enough to have a chance to win rounds 1-3.

[ufcevents1]

Josh nice to hear that you could be as objective and say that Shogun won. The problem is, unfortunately the judges because it has been many questionable decisions lately. Machida Vs. Shogun was an easy bout to judge, there was no takedown or grappling. It was just kickboxing and then you can just count hits and look at octagon control. Judges like Cecil Peoples are destroying the sport. Sorry to say this, but Machida was done in the fourth round! Broken rib, damaged hand and destroyed legs

[partwaves]

that shit was fixed.

mma is the new corrupted boxing

[Scarface798]

Leg kicks can win fights. Just look at the Jardine/Liddell fight.

[Rayxon]

I think alot of the UFC fighters picked Shogun was because they have a bias towards the Thai style and in a close match, they see the good parts of Thai and say that its worth more than the good parts of Karate. I'm not dissing Thai, but alot of people don't understand the acctual fighting application of the japanese arts in competative fighting

[Iffy50]

This is a great video! I thought the fight was essentially a draw and the judges used the old idea that "you have to beat the champ to be the champ". (tie goes to the winner) Anyway, I respect your opinion. Very well worded and explained. :)

[menacebird]

Here's my last thought about this subject. People who thinks shogun won are blind and need to see the replay and ignore Joe rogan cheerleading of shogun, shogun chants. Most of it ddint' land, and when it landed shogun got countered. Just rewatch the fight and realize it was close fights, and machida scored more.

[stabyourcat]

@menacebird Octagon control is scored. Shogun lost miserably in that standpoint. Also Shogun landed 1/3 more strikes in the books.

I like Machida more, but I hate to see Robbery even if it's someone I don't like.

[menacebird]

there was no robbery...it is what it is...machida landed more hard hits..end of story..

[menacebird]

look man...shogun admitted he lost rd 1,2,...these rd are close calls...if you think machida hits are slap u must be crazy...it don't matter how much it machida he didn't wobble on the legs kick and wasn't introuble...when machida landed on shogun it was combinations..this score man...anyways if shogun admitted he lost rd 1,2, and thinks he won rd 3,4,5, this could only mean one thing.rd1,2 goes to machida and rd 4,5 goes to shogun.but you know what shogun got introuble in rd3he almost got ko

[menacebird]

man...shogun did not landed enough kicks...machida landed more kicks, needs, and punches...that is it...

It's embrassrass that student of martial art student was too blind see that machida won. Machida won 4 rd to 1...dana white is blind...

[Spikiera]

are you dumb? you are basically saying all those ufc fighters who said shogun won blind. i.e. joe daddy, rampage, wanderlei, etc etc etc...wow ur a retard lololol. you think you can see better than those professionals, just wow.

[c5terror]

blind?? Machida only land more body kicks in round 1,3 and thats the only round you can give to machida if you wont score the leg kicks. Round 2,4,5 shogun land more convincing head strike, body strike and leg strike compare to machida.

[jshtan77]

just 2 comments on this:

1) Joe Rogan is a Shogun nuthugger, if you turn of the sound, the fight really seems closer than Joe's commentary makes it out to be.

2) I think Shogun worked a lot harder, but I do agree with the rules. Punches to the head > kicks to the legs. If kicks to the legs scored as high as punches to the head, MMA fights would be very boring . I don't think that's a legitimate strategy and the judges agreed.

[tortugagrande]

The point of the leg kicks were to slow Machida down, which they were. I think that punches to the head should count more, but in this fight neither fighter landed enough shots to the head to make much of a difference, but Shogun outstruck Machida by a huge margin. Machida did as little as Shogun did in terms of going for the finish so even if you were going to give head shots more points I'd say Shogun still takes the fight because of how many more strikes he landed.

[c5terror]

the fight is one sided according to their body and statistic. Dont turn Off the sound just dont listen to the fucking commentator. Listen to every strike landed. If you mute the volume you wont hear it and you wont know if it clearly landed or just slip. Heres what i heard. Every machida landed sound like a baby slap. And rua landed sound like a 80mph baseball bat hitting a human flesh.

Lyoto only land more body strike in round 1-3

rua landed more head, body strike in round 2,4,5 you want link?

[bcmvp11]

I totally 100% agree with you the Shogun won that fight hands down

[passingpoor]

VERY intelligent analysis!

[juicedaman]

take away from MMA. BTW most of you readers should take a look at companies beside UFC. They are other fighters out there...

[juicedaman]

You kept saying not to talk about the fight bein rigged because it would give MMA a bad name you said it is a legit. sport... No matter if the fight was fights, the sport it self will always be legit. Two man go in the ring and give it they all, that's a beautiful thing. Even boxing with all the shit that have been through the sport it self is legit. The problem comes with the business men around the sport. What I'm trying to say with this is that whether it was fixed or not, it should not....

[jb69636]

It was clear who won the fight. A close fight is one that is difficult to score. This one wasn't. Shogun clearly won 3 out of 5 rounds. This was the worst decision I've seen.

[wachusay3]

I agree with this guy, so GET READY TO REMATCH!!!

[SpectacularDesires]

I think it was rigged only because of that ridiculous spread that vegas put on Machida...Vegas would have been a mad house had shogun won that fight lol

[vtonytran]

I agree with your analysis, you got very good valid points.

I hope rematch will conclude a true champion cuz I dont think Machida wanna walk around with ? mark on his belt.

I hope Machida will have a stronger game plan with the rematch.

[saos4life]

dam this guy blinks alot

[neclg2004]

That's pretty much how I see it. Good vid!

[greenday21]

this guy realy likes himself...alot..i bet he jerks to his own voice

[shekone]

man I feel sorry you have to read these comments sometimes. you have a lot of fickle, arrogant viewers.

This was an awesome review man, you weren't biasly opinionated and you showed respect to both fighters. Those two are at the top of the sport no doubt. I agree that machida surprised me with his sluggish movement later on but the more aggressive fighter isn't the victor, just the more entertaining for misguided violent teenagers watching the sport.

[frankrock108]

do you listen to yourself speak?

"you are probably winning the fight"

"lets not make this decisive"

dude for one the corner is not in there fighting

dont try to justify the judges decision

and if you want to give mma a good name try covering non ufc events

[sh4ap]

did u see how confused machida looked every time shogun kicked him?

[7324971]

lets see the rematch @ ufc 108 with lesnar and carwin? make it a super card

keep up what your doing good show

[TubeWall]

Lesnar Carwin is off....Lesnar pulled out due to prolonged illness (not sure which) that has hampered his training...

[kanguesso]

i think he has the flu doesn't he?

[7324971]

They r pushing it to ufc 108

[blaked001]

The reason Machida didn't look good was because those kicks took all his ability to do anything away. It wasn't like he was choosing to just not fight. He was just very hurt by those kicks.

[b10ilal]

bull shitt mannn

[morasthesilva]

fuck that bullshit......SHOGUN won......UFC judging is fuckin gay....they're starting 2 fix fights.....they're talking shit on boxing all the time....well it looks the same now.......No disrespect to machida cuz it aint his fault just fuck the judges.....FUCKERS......SHOGUN UFC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION

[akaFIVEDOLLA]

ufc doesnt pick the judges dick head, the commisioning body for the state they fight in do.

[morasthesilva]

ur a snatch head......the commission is gay.......they should have the japanese system judging.....

[akaFIVEDOLLA]

but at least i know what im talking about douche bag

[JamesBeam420]

I agree Josh. Judges should give 10-10 RDS if it is legitamitaly even. In my mind, RDS 1-3 were very hard to score and could have been 10-10 ... Shogun would've won the DEC if the judges called some of the razor close Rds as even 10-10. I had Shogun winning Rds 1 4 and 5. Also, there are morons crying about fixed fights after EVERY PPV and every Promotion. It sucks that there's such a high volume of idiotic, douche bag MMA fans. The sport is evolving .. I wish some of these fans would too.

[edo5555]

I dont want to suggest fowl play in the name of MMA but much less want to perpetuate a corrupt organization by not pointing out if something doesnt look legit. Although ufc is so big now that its virtually impossible for them to go out of business but we can as fans let them know that we will not support something that is not fair.

[akaFIVEDOLLA]

well u cant blame the bad judges on the ufc. The california state athletic commision apoints them. Nothing to do with the ufc.

[Caplock21]

good point about the corners. shogun said himself that towards the end of the fight he was chillin because he felt he was winning, and his corner told him he was winning. if they said it was close he would have probably turned up the heat in the fifth round, winning the fight.

[payasofeo69]

Shogun should leg kick the juges a few times, then they could score them properly. ;)

[dranged]

Machida should of took the fight to the ground everytime the kicks were thrown. got to make him scared to throw em

[theagonyscenered]

shogun is a monster on the ground not a good idea lol. hes 10x's better on the ground then machida. Machida was in panic mode becuz he was afraid of getting taken down

[timothyohara84]

A monster who got submitted by Forrest Griffin... Lol

[1titans]

And also needed to surgeries on both his knees

[dranged]

hes only subbed randleman..... Machida has good BJJ, good enough to stay on top and maybe even submit shogun.

[tariqtariqtariq88]

dana had to say shogun won... they wanna steal our money for rematch

[dionysus91]

You are an idiot.

[tariqtariqtariq88]

and you're a 17 yr old that never kissed a girl

[dionysus91]

Try 18, and quite sexually active. How does your pathetic little brain come to the conclusion that Dana White saying he felt Rua won = He wants your money? Obviously, being president he always has a business standpoint, but did you ever think that maybe he was just speaking as a fan for that one moment.

[GorillaKingdomFN]

get rid of the 10 point must system & score fights like Japan scores them

[essej]

Machida did basicaly nothing in terms of offense for the 5th round. How bout if the fighters are told after each round who won, that way the cornermen will not mislead their fighter.

[wiewiur]

Guys I was disappointed after hearing the decission. In the last round Rua was definetly more active. But if you look on all rounds probably Machida was better. Hard to decide. And they are both my favorite fighters. I would like to see Machida just more active.

[albacadraba71384]

I agree 100 percent with this guy

[THEELITEONE]

IT WAS FIXED!! IT WAS FIXED!! by none other than Josh Osbourn!! he has wanted to have these videos to himself the whole time, and now he gets his wish lol. dude again nice video, i cant really see how people say that fight was fixed. Fixed by who? please tell me who would gain from that fight being fixed? in any case dude i would love to know what the black belts thought as the fight was going on? were they yelling out moves they think machida should have done? I AM ON TO YOU JOSH, WE ALL ARE.

[BGT854]

almost every round was so close just from both fighters not trying to take the round u could almost flip a coin on............... i still think Shogun won the fight so to see a rematch would be nice hopefully their will be a winner that everyone know is the winner

was their someone else the in the room with u i keep hear movement in the background lol

[metlhed77]

I gotta hand it to ya Josh, this is the first time I agreed with everything you had to say on a video haha. But nah I never thought of maybe Shogun's leg kicks weren't scoring as high as Machida's punches, that's a great point. I do agree with what Dana said though going by how the fight was in the 4th and 5th round. Two of the judges scored round 4 for Machida and imo if Shogun was more aggresive especially in the last 30 seconds or so, he could've stolen that round and won a split.

[StudentInFrance]

Only one judge scored rnd 4 for Machida. The other two were unanimous: 1,2,3 Machida, 4,5 Rua. And even though I disagree with the outcome I can see how they could score like that. Ties go to the champ.

[45axelh]

Also, Remember that takedowns are scored very high, and takedown defense is scored high too. Machida stuffed every single takedown attempt by Shogun.

[DeadMansVids]

dude i wAs about to ask u to make a post about this fight :D

[a7green]

....... Machida got exposed, plain & simple.

Karate guys can't handle & aren't used to leg kicks from Muay thai fighters.

Shogun is the real 205lb. Champ.

[LetsTalkMMA]

Dude i live in minnesota ! haha

Great Vidss

[americant001]

I think there is a problem with a fighter winning because of leg kicks. Imagine a situation where one fighter lands twice as many leg kicks as the other lands punches to the face. Should the winner be the leg kicker? I say no. I initially gave machida the fight. However the judging criteria states that scoring is based on "affective striking..." Shogun was able to damage machidas leg with kicks. Machida however was not able to damage or knockout Shogun. Ultimatley, I belive Shogun the winner.

[SinCityMadman]

If you want to blame somebody, blame Machida for not beeing active enough. I only had Machida winnind one rd. But you also have to give credit to Shogun for taking his lungs away with the body kicks, also ppl forget that Machida got booed in alot of his fights prior to Thiago Silva for lack of activity and fuzzy decisions.

[kanguesso]

My whole problem with these things is consistency. That is the big picture here as far as i am concerned. If these judges show some fucking consistency when scoring fights, then we as fans will know how they score these fights. In my opinion, even though shogun won, there shouldn't be an immediate rematch. There shouldn't be a rematch at all. If shogun deserves a rematch, Then Matt Hammil should have gotten a rematch, Rampage should have gotten a rematch. That's consistency. Agree or Disagree?

[vaju79]

The most important things is, their will be a rematch so no point in all this QQ.

[metthestreet]

shogun won and Dana told him that as he exited the octagon although i thought they were both good fighters but machida was slippin

[AndrewCopland]

Thanks for the video Josh. Would LOVE to see just one of you guys do a post-fight video, if you can't get the full 'show' going.

I don't think either guy really WON the fight. And having said that, I don't think that's enough for Machida to loose his title. So, to me the decision was ok... not great, but ok.

I agree with your take on the scoring thing too, Josh.

I think the rematch is a good idea. And whatever happens, I think one of the guys will finish the fight.

[45axelh]

Who do you think will win the rematch ? Shogun sticking to what he did last, or Machida with a new found respect for Shogun and trained to counter the weakness that was exposed in this fight ?

[Bisquack]

I thought that the fight should have been a draw but I was actually expecting to hear Shogun as the winner and so was a bit surprised when they said Machida won but I may have been swayed by the last round or two. In the first 3 it was hard to tell but at least we get a rematch so hopefully that will settle things.

[TIAGroup]

I fully agree, perhaps a split decision it could have been, but we'll all see after the rematch.

[bjpennmvt]

U pretty much said what needed to be said

[Hanzo465]

i was surprised it wasnt a split decision

[payasofeo69]

*****************

Josh, could you tell us what 2 rounds Machida won?

I can't see more than 1. Thanks.

[themmavoice1988]

1st - shogun

2nd - shogun

3rd - machida

4th - eather way

5th - eather way

[shacasulu]

your fucking retarded lmao, round 4 and 5 either way???? shogun clearly won round 1, 4, and 5. lol GTFO!

[pAuLiE0866]

yeah should of been a split. but when u think about it. thats the BEST WAY it could have gone for shogun on the lose idea. if he won great. but if he lost and he did this is the best way it could go. another title fight early 2010 ( i think.) and most people are like.. no way machinda won that. AND if it goes to descision next time the judges will probs make shogun win if it isnt one sided. cos when u think about it dana is there boss so i dunno. not saying its corrupt but fight 2 will b GREAT!

[pulvaris]

As for a rematch, well Rua spent 25 mins fighting a guy whose whole basis is on timing and now knows what Rua has. The simple fact of the matter is that the CSAC have a history of disrupting fighters careers, and rather then pretend that corruption doesnt happen to give the sport a good name, we should be working on making sure things like this rematch dont have to happen in the first place. It was a clear injustice, So Sherk, Diaz, and now Rua crushed under CSAC

[pulvaris]

I think its fair to doubt the CSAC, they have a history of corruption....didnt they kinda oust Armando Garcia recently?? IF there was funny business, ignoring it wont make it go away. Something was a miss for that not to be a split at the very least.

[cazz3000]

a very fair and non-biased input on this topic

great job josh

[Hotora86]

i agree

good job man

[andrewarbogast1]

I do agree round by round scoring should be thrown out, and by whole should be implemented. What do you think of having maybe 5 judges? I don't how much it would change, but I think maybe with more eyes watching the fight a broader opinion can be given.

[andrewarbogast1]

I don't think either fighter put out their best effort to finish the fight. The judges suck, so when you leave it to them your bound to get people pissed off. I thought Machida won 3 rounds to 2. I was getting so annoyed with Rogan constantly saying RuaRuaRua. i thought he failed to see machida catching rua a few times when he threw some of those leg kicks. But either way, i thought the fight was very lackluster.

[Brendrizzle]

catching machida a few times does not compare to the many times rua kicked him... and besides, the judges would be biased because no one is used to seeing machida being given a run for his money

[andrewarbogast1]

I see where your coming from, i just don't think the judges value leg kicks as much as they should. I just can't wait for a rematch when a true winner can be determined.

[Brendrizzle]

Yea. The judging system is definitely flawed and it is a good idea to give them a rematch... They should probably have Kenny Florian or someone else do the commentating on the game over Rogan

[dirtydodger]

Machida lost, this is not a matter of opinion, it's an obvious fact. Machida did nothing and was never anywhere close to being a threat to Shogun. He ran backwards and gou kicked in the ribs for 4 out of 5 rounds. Machida sucks and so do his gay fans.

[stevanchez]

4:15

I agree.That's how Brock, GSP(now a days), and Cain fights. It's bullshit and it's boring as fuck.

You should have to do more then just lay on your opponent, ware them down with your fat ass, and then throw a punch every 30 second. You should be advancing position, constantly throwing punches, or going for submissions. Other wise the fight needs to be stood up. And if you keep doing it, then a point should be taken away for timidness(yes, there really is a foul for "timidity").

[shacasulu]

GTFO youre a moron, hes talking about how some guys dont do any damage once they have there opponents on the ground like clay guida dumbass. GSP and Brock tear their opponents up on the ground thats why their fucking opponent's faces are fucked up after the fight because they do damage on the ground.

[stevanchez]

I'm sorry, but did you see the Alves fight? All GSP did was take Alves down and layed in his guard. Then, like ever 20seconds, he'd poster up real quick throw a little elbow or two and then he'd quickly dive back down.

And Brock just pins his opponent down and hand fights with them and if the ref says "I need to see work!", then he'll throw a little punch. Then if he gets wrist control, thats when he goes to town. But that's like a minute of doing nothing for 10 second of good ground and pound.

[zachskates15]

i agree, but for some of the fight, i think it was the 3rd round gsp did something to his groin so i could only imagine how hard it was for him to do anything

[shacasulu]

dude its called setting up your attack on the ground and there is nothing wrong with that. it may take a while to set it up but the thing is they are not doing what clay guida is doing which is just fucking lay there.

[stevanchez]

There is something wrong with it. When you spend almost a whole round laying on your opponent waiting to "setup your attack" and then win the round for doing almost nothing, that's wrong. It's unfair to your opponent and it's unfair to the fans who payed money to see an exciting fight and ended up having to watch a fucking wrestling match. Dude.

[shacasulu]

well when you put it in that context yeah i agree with you but that is not the case with brock or gsp, which is my point. clay guida is the guy you need to talk shit about cause that fucker just lays down all night and rarely does anything on the ground.

[stevanchez]

But that is what they do. I'm not saying that they don't do damage because they do. My point is that the moments in which they do damage is few and far between long periods of laying and doing nothing. In my opinion that's just as bad as doing absolutely nothing because they're still stealing rounds. I think that if you want to have the advantage of being on top of your opponent, you should have to constantly be doing something with very little pause in the action. Not the other way around.

[comiclander]

good video man...

[civiurda]

i agree 100 percent wit u i thought shogun won 3 rounds to 2. good video

[waydow89]

great great vid man! i personaly do think machida won the fight...did he do so 100 % no way. but i saw that rounds one throo 3 were close...therefore when in question you give the round to the champ! now i also looked at blogs and forums and saw people saying rounds 1 throo 3 were so close and hard to call.(well that meens it was too close and the rounds left with a big ?) well if you think of it a round in question does that meen the challenger won that? NO.you must decisivly beet the champ.

[MrUltimateTKO]

I agree, I think the punches count for more points. I believe that Machida will win the rematch. Since Lesnar is out of UFC 106, and their fight was pushed to UFC 108. UFC 108 COULD be the best MMA card of all time..with 3 title bouts. Lesnar vs Carwin, Silva vs Belfort and Machida vs Shogun.

[pokerstarpro]

i dont think they will put that many title shots n one ppv.. i would thinnk thed wanna spread them out instead of put them all into one/more money that way.. maybe 2 of those but not all 3..just my opinion

[Hanzo465]

thank god for this video ;P

[Meodread]

you can win a fight off takedowns it just involves the bottom fighter not doing anything (either not trying or just having the combination of skill/opportunity)

they do scored them high but this is an annoying fact that for example people feeling Kurt Pellegrino didn't beat Josh Neer cause he didn't do anything with his takedowns, the rebuttal is of course what did Neer do to win the fight?

course i agree right now they are scored too high

[ABeautifulCharizard]

...the fancy graphics and music are awesome

haha, anyways I'm glad you did this video Josh

[DSTDave]

machida won because he had better combinations and shogun only 1 shot machida..... and machida threw some nasty knees he shoulda won the fight just because that knee

[fightersmma]

I understand what ur saying with the leg kicks vs punches.. please tell my why Forrest beat Rampage off leg kicks?? And Rampage won that fight too!! Shogun was robbed!! --But great opinion bro... love ur videos!!

[poolboyinla]

Shogun didn't win the fight. It was very even and neither guy did much of anything. It was basically a draw. Too close to pick a winner.

I can't believe they are going to have a rematch. I don't want to see another boring 5 rounds of that crap.

[JamesBong0]

dude tell in numbers the blows each gave ......then you will see......you will shit BRIX

[echo1v]

Wow! Awesome post fight review. You guys need to follow up the fights with videos even if you use this format. Really good comments :)

[LookyPeter]

i really think the commentators went over board on the fight. if u listen to the 3rd round logan was so bias. the brawl at the end machida did more damage but logan was like shogun landed a good right? wth. but yeah shogun clearly one the later rounds. and 1st and 2nd u can argue shogun won it. but it was too close. but i think machida won 2nd round

[libertines24]

was waiting for this!!!!

[vaju79]

I gave machida 1, 2 and 3. Really hard match to score.

[Snoochy2006]

The rematch seems like its in Lyoto favor. The awesome game plan Shogun had may not work this time around because Lyoto has tape and a idea what hes gonna do. Unless Shogun just has down his rhythm and in that case Shogun has it.

[MrScream305]

Machida won fair and square

[Kamikaze145]

inside of the lead leg. He also landed lots of punches that were not clean but made contact and a few clean punches. Machida's best moment was the flurry at the end of round 3 that he did get the better of but mostly glancing shots still. I disagree with the judges, big time. Its as simple as that. I read the whole scoring system and it didnt change my opinion

[Kamikaze145]

I gave Shogun 1,2,3, and 5 and four was too close to call. Agreed that Machida's corner was way too lax, he had no sense of urgency at all. Shoguns corner was right though, he was winning, and being over aggressive with Machida has proved to be a huge mistake. Judges saying Machida's strikes were cleaner? He landed one good body kick, a couple knees to the abdomen, and one clean cross as well as a few crosses that didnt land clean but made contact. Shogun landed clean thai kicks to the body and

[beakerneil]

Mauy Thai beats Karate .... its a style thing.

[beakerneil]

.. not saying it was a fix .... just that the judges dont know their arse from their elbows. YOu proberbly have a good point about the scoring system but even with that in mind; the judges were still wrong big-time. I scored it 4-1 in rounds and I feel that was being kind to Machida. All rounds were closely contested but Shogan seemed to have the upper-hand all night.

[beakerneil]

..all by myself ... dont wanna be .... all by myself ... la la la

Im almost feeling sorry for him. By the Shogan won almost every round .... blatent robbery ...... the sort of thing we expect from Boxing.

[UltimateHibz]

Cool response man. I along with most people also thought Shogun won.

[AussieHoosier]

The corner argument is partially viable- but shogun's corner were completely confident, you can see it in their expressions as the fight ends.

Shogun was OWNING with those leg kicks. Check out the stats on how many kicks he landed- unbelievable.

This result was a joke and the unanimous decision. I'm glad that Dana White reacted that way, because he obviously realises the decision was completely wrong. I'm against the 'fixing' accusations but 3x29-28 result is so questionable it makes me grrr

[anubis12321]

I completely agree with you about scoreing a fight as a whole and not round by round.

When the winner was named there was a lot of booing from friends and family at my house. People where actually getting pretty tense so I made a joke to try and ease things I said "They need to implament a jumping competition when fights are this close."

People laughed because it was blatently obvious that Machita's knees where done. His knees where probably as big as watermelons the day after the fight.

[AnthroMann]

i think the exact same thing...that machida didn't fight enough basically.

leg kicks have won fights before. look at when liddell fought jardine. no one punches harder than chuck liddell, but keith jardine still managed to not get knocked out and kicked him the whole time. so in this case, it wasn't the hardest hitting person who won, but the other one who landed more shots. same with forrest vs rampage.  if judges score this way, why didn't they do it for shogun???

[ToobFobiK]

The heck with rounds, i think it should be one 15 minute round and one 25 minute round for championship bouts. I dont think 1 minute break between rounds make a huge impact on a fighter's fatigue. Judges could score on the overall performance instead of judging each round. But thats just my opinion.

[gkirkdawg]

Nah, I disagree, that would mean that a Lay n prayer could get away with that for 25 straight minutes? fuck that ;\ atleast rounds start on their feet.

[GeneralSkaar]

wouldnt be a problem though if takedowns werent scored so high

[martchart]

Nice video,I completely agree with you