I'm making some coil mounts now so can run a gen coil with the seperate SSG circuit hooked to a light in parallel with a cap. I seen that if you split the bifilar coil and offset the trigger you obtain a larger spike from the induction of the collapsing field.
My question is did you add strands in parallel to slow the decay in the collasping field or any further progressions? This seems very Tesla thinking about it.
Hi Dan. Actally I had no plans of shifting phase but there must be some going on. I am making a three phase motor with hall effects for triggers. I have hopes of getting the motor closer to a real world application. It's hard to find the time.
sorry for my stupidity but is this actualy what it says on the tin. wil it run on it's own continusley and what would happen if you put the entire thing in a vacue maybe increase the output with the lower friction
again i don't know what i am talking about i am just intrested
Forgive my ignorance, i am just a college student.
but from my understanding of electonics, you can trade current for voltage at a 1:1 ratio. It seems to me that you are trading a 9v voltage at a decent current for a 12v voltage at a miniscule current. Meaning, that you need to run the 9v voltage for a longer period to produce the same charge in the battery compared to the runtime using a proper 12v voltage.. am i mistaken? i appreciate your response & was fascinated by your video
You're alway welcome to ask questions. Actually what you say is true as it pertains to normal charging techniques, This charge is based on high voltage and low current. It's not unusual to be over 400 volts with a 9 volt input. The high voltage comes from an event formed around the coil collapsing after a fast shut off. So the normally damaging high voltage that isn't used in conventional circuits is used to condition and charge lead acid batteries. Search SSG to learn more.
This is just a thought, but you could probably use a 555 timer circuit, to switch between "motoring" and "generating" and you might be able to adjust it so you are motoring this unit for 49% of the time, and operating the output generator (using only the high voltage static spikes) 51% or more of the time, so the battery is being charged more often than it is being drained, also Bedini said that lead ions have momentum, so high voltage forces them in motion backwards, in opposition to the load.
There isn't much drag because of the tiny magnets. They only need to generate enough voltage to fire the transistor. There have been many people doing similar to what you explain. Some have used commentators and others solid state. There are a few claimed self runners with that technique. Some use a capacitor dump in the transition. I've been able to reach near equilibrium but not over unity yet.
Bedini found that you cannot charge a battery and draw from it at the same exact time, however if you charge momentarily, then switch to the load momentaritly, in intervals, with a heavy flywheel, you can drive your motor less than you are driving your generator, and the generator's static electricty (which is free to produce, because there is very little drag) is converted to AMPS in the lead acid battery - the lead acid battery is the free energy converter!
So! After watching this video, I had a lot to think about. 1.) There was probably very little drag on the generator output, minus some magnetic cogging at low speed, but neglible at higher speeds. 2.) The output circuit is generating static electricity like a magneto (because it's an SSG circuit), while consuming neglible power from the drive motor. 3.) What you built is the motor-energizer from Bedini's patents! All you need is the relay switch, doing 49% duty cycle motor, 51% generator.
I suppose it could be thought of that way, There is a difference though. The output that people are looking for with this SSG technology is in the form of an event from the collapsing of the coils when there is a back EMF. I just used the window motor to show a bench mark RPM for the generator part.
First my motor building isn't crap. You're the guy who puts stuff together with junk. Most who watch the video know I use the window motor to drive the stator motor to have a bench mark RPM to go from one experiment to another. Instead of being a wise guy, why don't you just not come back here and bother me with your tripe.
I have a feeling you don't even know what you're looking at.
@DadHav I am sorry, but you are building a motor-generator system to charge a small capacitor, that's my conclusion. Why else would you present the cap at the end of the video?
If I wanted to charge a capacitor I would have put it on the output not the input! The video shows that a potential comes back through the input circuit and what charges the capacitor also lengthens the run from a battery. With the capacitor on the input this potential and voltage on the capacitor actually allows the circuit to fire the transistor and create the high voltage for charging. With all respect you missed what the video was about all together.
@DadHav OK, I missed it. Thought you are going to charge a capacitor with a motor-generator.
Harvesting the flyback switching impulses to load capacitors or batteries has a drawback on the switching speed. The charging diode and capacitor comprise a circuit which causes current flow and thus slow the demagentization of the coil. This may be
irrelevant in case of a motor, but that trick was used to slow the switching time of relais coils. :
I'd say you have a good idea of what's going on but most people aren't understanding where it's relevant. In the first video I only had 10 minutes to explain to my friends on the forum the unusual effect of the feedback through the input circuit. this was something not seen with the standard monopole machines they had. The video was so misunderstood that I had to turn off comments and try to explain better. It may take 2 or 3 more videos yet before I ever get it right Ha ha LOL
I can tell you're not stupid by any means. The tube is loaded with so much of this that it all looks the same. People answer before looking close at what's going on. I'll answer any questions all day as long as the conversation is fairly civil. I don't use the words Free Energy, Energy From the Vacuum, Bloch Wall Effect etc. even though I think there may be something behind it. If I ever can prove anything It'll be hard to keep me quiet. Thanks for spending some time here.
Hey great vid and beautiful prototypes. I'd love to know the current draw for your motors because while I appreciate the circuits charge, how much current do the window motor, ssg motor, etc draw? Thanks.
The window motor has run at as low as 1 volt and less than 100 micro amp. There is literally no torque at that level. I usually don't run it at more than .25 amp. At 12 volts and that amperage you almost can't stop the rotor by squeezing the shaft. The stator motors can run and charge at around 70-150 milliamp. Mine are low torque with small magnets because they mostly are used as oscillators.
I'm sorry I can't do that. As a YouTube Partner I'm not allowed to post drawings of other peoples patented material without their written consent. The circuits here are patented by John Bedini. If you do a search for his circuits you will find what you need. I would advise you learn a little bit about the SSG circuit and technology before you dive into a project like this. Just search SSG here on the tube.
I dont know what input power you use for turning motor,but maybe you should try with pulse input(I don`t mean AC with pulse).Maybe this would save some energy from output for other things...
Do you think the orbo motor will lose its magnetism after a while? I tried to find ways to lose magnetism but can only find heat, and/or shock. Even if they lose it, wouldn't you think magnets can be used as energy storage. Meanwhile they have been spending millions on Lithium Ion chemistry research, which I think is paid for by oil company to lead them to wrong direction.This thing will never be useful for EV. But Flow Battery will, like the one researched by MIT and Fraunhofer labs.
Hello, I studied the Orbo for a while and did some experiments. I didn't like the current draw I had to use and decided to see where they would take this. Did it ever get anywhere? It looked like they where ready for licensing. I've tried to find something to block magnetism but was unsuccessful. Heat did have an effect but at high power cost. Not sure about the batteries. Their using LiPo in cars now I'm sure. Some think magnets are a form of electrical energy.
John, it is interesting you've been playing on this magnetic motor since 70s. So you're a black belt now on open mind circuits :). I have seen enough of unethical practices to suppress techs. Even back in Tesla time his notes mentioned about politics. I guess it's just human nature driven by ego, greed, selfishness. Nothing can stop these but ethics, moral education and parenting. Even on Pons and Fleischman CF,I can't believe there's coverage on 60 minutes, here. You'd think it be censored!
OU. You're a deep thinker for sure. I worked with a researching group in the 70's. They were interested in free energy, From the 80's to about 2K I was to busy with my career to experiment so I might only be a brown belt. I just keep open minded and have fun with experiments. I try to keep it honest and interesting. I always say "Science and education over ignorance and superstition any old day"
While you were manually powering the rotor you had in effect a magneto.Look at any small motor cycle, lawnmower or marine outboard engine and you will see the exact same power generation scheme you are observing in your motor.The high voltage spikes that are flashing your lights were a problem in early point style ignition systems the would arc across and burn the contacts of the points hence the use of a condenser which is the same exact thing as a capacitor.Old technology revisited.
With all due respect you, would have to know more about the circuits. The operation does look much like a magneto or ignition system. You would have noticed I even made a reference in the video to an old ignition coil. There are theories about the circuit and materials used for the motor that do not compare to a magneto. I don't talk about the Bloch Wall effect in the cores and coils, Radiant Energy, The Vacuum etc. because it brings more negative comments than what you have.
Usually the motor is used a little different than what you would expect. A trigger coil generates a small voltage which fires the power transistor into the second coil. The second coil moves the rotor. When the second coil has the field collapse there is an EMF which goes out to charge the battery. Increasing windings is not usually productive for the application.
Amigo e esse cachorro pulguento ai do lado? ele manja de eletronica tambem ? kk bacana o video, bom provalvelmente vc nem entende portugues né, sory i dont speak inglish.
Ha ha ha. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? I don't think JB has a monopoly on radiant energy. He has an opinion on how to get it. No matter what he is, he supplies a great hobby tool I'm having a lot of fun. To bad Tesla isn't around today. It has been a long time, but deranged? Maybe arranged. It depends on many possible mode of opperation's or agenda's.
Take care Dan. It's been interesting talking to you. If you feel like talking further get a PM to me.
@DadHav Bedini is no Tesla. and Bedini is most certainly deranged. for a person to fool himself for 20 years he has to be quite deranged. they all are. Lutec in australia, Newman in USA. no doubt Stan Meyer was too.
OU may be possible but they never had it. and they were never close. they simply don't know what they are doing.
Dan, Don't get your dander up. I couldn't prove one way or another. I do agree it's been a long time and well over due to see something go into a scientific lab for validation. I hear of it happening but I'd like to see something from Battelle Institute or something.
Diddo on the Tesla. There will never be another. I'm happy to see you think OU is possible. I've seen enough unexplainable things to believe this can be possible too. dowsing rods anyone, just for starters.
Upon reading this compilation of free energy devices pdf, PJKbook by Patrick Kelly. I found it interesting and was surprised I had a similar idea in my head. In a way a permanent motor is used today. I was thinking, what if the stator coil is replaced with another permanent magnet. But timed it in such a way it mimics the coil. And I found someone already came out with that idea with rotating magnetic shield, mu-metal. Clever!
Back in the 70's I made drawings of a magnetic motor that could work if we had a material that could shield magnetism. At that time we couldn't find anything. I was working with a doctor of physics and one of electronics so when they said it was unobtainable I believed the, I never worked with mu-metal but if there is a shield I would like to try it. Keep in mind magnets passing the mu-metal may induce an eddy current break.
@DadHav - Even if you were able to build a magnetic motor that rotated under its own power via magnetic fields, the magnets will eventually die. The constantly inter-acting flux lines will eventually deteriorate the polar alignment of the magnet leaving you with a non-magnetic peice of iron/ferrite. You will then have to realign the molocules using a very powerful electromagnet, which is no different then putting gas into your car, then your motor will work again... for a little while.
Actually I don't have any magnetic motors here. There is nothing with one magnet passing the other. My magnets are neodymium and pass coils. This is much like a permanent magnet brushed or brushless motor. The only case I can personally attest to would be with old boat motor magnetos. I've seen them weaken but they where probably Alnico.
@DadHav - I understand that, I was referring to the discussion in the comments that made reference to magnet motors, not the motor in the video itself. Over unity is impossible, not because a machine cannot put out more energy than is put in, but because any such machine is still not actually "generating" energy, it is only converting one form of energy [even if it is some unseen fundamental form of energy] into a more useful form of energy, the energy still needs to exist in the first place.
Hello, I thought about that after I posted the comment already. I understand modern day physics and electronics pretty well including that as it pertains to energy being converted. I agree with everything you say but remain open minded and hopeful of new discoveries.
Thanks for watching the video and taking time to comment.
What's interesting is this Bedini circuit though... I looked at the schematics, it appears there are two sub-circuits: Trigger & drive circuits. If I understood it correctly, the trigger circuit acts like a hall sensor when that magnet approaches the stator winding, it energizes it and allows the magnet to not get attracted to it, after the magnetic work has been extracted (on approach). This I thought somewhat similar to Steorn (Orbo motor). But they use light/hall sensor...?
You are right. In some cases the magnet is repelled. It's normal to use a Hall on more advanced circuits especially the sequential Bipolar window motor circuits. I briefly looked at the Orbo but thought it was a spin off from Bedini using toroid drivers. I tried some experiments and didn't like what I saw. The circuits are simple but fun to experiment with
Thanks for your explanation John... This kinda remind me of when I was a little kid playing around with used neon light transformer, with two wires. I hook it up to AA battery and when I let it go it gave me a jolt. Then I got creative and made a " Light saber" with 9v battery! Friends loved/hated it. :) This is what makes me pursue my career as EE. Now I know it goes to infinity when I did that (at least in textbook). Also used in Boost DC-DC converter. Just add a diode, cap and N-channel...
Hello. When I was a kid I had an Erector Set that had a hand shocker project. You made a little ratchet out of a gear and a crank. This opened and closed a circuit to the electric motor field coil. Naturally the motor was unplugged and you used a battery. I loved that thing. I made my little sister crank that think all the time while holding the little handles made from the aluminum parts. Your arms would actually twist in-wards. Ha, Maybe that's what happened to my brain.
Hello. The scope has an earth ground attached to the ground lug, the circuit is grounded as well as the ground clip from the scope being attached. This is a normal legitimate trace with the probe on 10X. This is a product of the power coil being hit with a sharp cut off short duration spike. The faster the cut off the better the results. The high voltage, as many of them, is very low amperage, but this was the intent. The battery charge is more from voltage than current.
Measuring the charge side of the circuit the current is very small (40-60 ma in the case of these small machines) and, in my opinion deceiving because the trace pattern has a small h shape at the bottom. This means there is a small current at approximately the voltage of the input battery. This makes it complicated to separate the readings The small voltage h sort of prepares the battery for what people refer to as a radiant charge..
Great video, this is one of the better videos I have come across. I am heavily into building Bedini replica's. Great Work. What is the best charge rate you achieved so far?
CBeems. Your comment is USELESS and somewhat insulting to all the people who charge and condition batteries with PLASMA if that's what you want to call it. This mechanical oscillator works the same and has the same output that thousands of people are using. It takes many charges to condition the lead acid battery to accept a fully beneficial charge from this type of pulse, but once you are successful there are some good results.
@DadHav Exactly what do you mean by good results??? I tried the bendini circuit firsthand and while it was able to charge a battery.. the charge evidently was lacking in electrical power potential if you want to call it that. In any case, I'll have a closer look at your vid.
Good results would be a battery that charges faster than with a conventional charger, It would be desulfated if it where an old battery and the capacity would be equal or better than normal. I know many people who have results like you have. I've had the same experience a few times. Some people completely ruin their batteries. I hope you figure out the tuning I knw it can be frustrating. My machines happen to work OK, but I admit I've seen other people having better results.
Hello, The high voltage from the Bedini circuit is pretty much expected but the fact that the circuit energized from the motor turning manually was a little unexpected.
good accident my friend, it calls reactif energy caused by i kind of "micro telsa" inside capacitor by static curent returns of magnetic field and the air between the coils... i think ...opppss congratulaions for your dedication, now a bigger one...;-) "sorry my typing errors and english too ... best regards
good accident my friend, it call´s reactif energy caused by i kind of "micro telsa" inside capacitor by static curent rturns of magnetic fild and the air between the cil´s... i think ...opppss congratulaions for your dedication
good friend, my question is, ami I would like to make a generator of these but the engine is an engine that creates perpetual magnets doubt I have is that I have no Sircuit to 120voltio and not that type of copper wire would have to use would you please give me a diagram for 120voltio Sircuit and type of copper wire a prompt response is appreciated
Hello friend. I'm sorry to say this is only an experiment and is not ready for a real world application. There is nothing perpetual about the motor or generator. At it's best this is can be improved to be a very good lead acid battery charger but is far from a device to replace the energy in your home. I wish I could advise you but it isn't practical at this time.
You got it ric. I've seen AC-DC many times when they first started out. At one concert they where the opening band for Thin Lizzy. Before the night was over the crowd wanted AC-DC back. It looks like you're doing pretty good with your playing. I played also back in the 60's. I had a Fender Jaguar and a 6 speaker Sears tube amp that I had rolled and pleated with leather. Played dozens of clubs in the Cleveland Ohio USA area.
Hi THank you for taking the time to make this video I found it very interesting. I am just a beginner in electronics and have built a ssg 3 coil circuit. Could you upload the circuit diagram of the 555 timer part of your circuit please. I have tried to make one but I cannot get it to work. I have tried to find a circuit diagram to help me but the ones I have tried do not work for me. Thank you for your time. I was at the point of giving up with the 555 timer until I was inspired by your video
Hello, This is an unfortunate thing but as a YouTube / Adsense Member I can't post any drawings or diagrams that aren't my own unless I have written consent from the original owner sent to them when I post the video. I doubt very much if John Bedini would even bother replying to a request to publish his circuits. I'm sorry for that. Maybe I can find a way around it some day. If you search the Tube for SSG and Sequential Bipolar circuits you will find others posting.
Sweet Finally Someone who can explain how this "bedini" junk works :P But my question is this? whats the difference between using some inductors and DC-DC converter to charge the battery? My guess is the DC power supply you use to "power" the system, probably consumes just as much as a trickle charge battery charger would (assuming it wasn't a wall wart). But it is cool project for sure!
This is different because the idea is to use the the high voltage spike to charge the battery. There are benefits that a conventional charge doesn't offer. No heat, desulfating, and a chemical change in the battery which allows it to charge faster as cycles add up. Yes the power supply does draw current but if I used a battery the current draw would be no more that the amp meter reads. Sometimes I don't want to run at 12 volts and I have current limiting for safety.
Hello, I think you are probably referring to the windings on the stator part of the motor. If you have a look at the first video it shows the stator and how the separate windings are arranged. Each of the 12 legs have the windings in the opposite direction, or should I say each alternates from clockwise to counter clockwise. Have a look and see if it answers your question.
Hmm. I may not be the best person to do that. I do however have a very expensive old scope kit that I need to repair. Maybe I'll take it apart for people to see how complicated the project was, and explain the basics of the circuits ans a little insight on how to do some basic measurements.
@DadHav That would be cool! and maybe film while your taking it apart? I have seen some digital scope solder kits online, do you know if those are any good? I realy want/need one but i dont have near enough money to go and buy one premad from like Frys or Digikey.
Kit scopes are educational and work pretty good as far as I know. You could also look into an adapter and software to use a computer as a scope. Keep in mind E-bay is full of used scopes at good prices also. Yes, I think some people would like to see what's inside an $800.00 scope kit. There's probably over 1000 parts to be soldered.
So you actually built an a little complicated DC-DC-boost converter ;) .
Those "reverse" peaks will really kill almost any semiconductor, if not taken into account in the design. I fried some diodes and transistors myself, when I tried to control a motor with "selfmade" PWM.
An incredible video!! It makes up for the majority I've seen that make no attempt to explain the concept, components, or performance of the featured work. One can find scores of videos that offer nothing more than a few seconds of a poorly displayed mess leaving the viewer to guess why it would be posted in the first place. A sincere thank-you for showing that Youtube is more than the pitiful pooling of adolescent confusion or one sorry example after another of discraceful ignorance. ~S~
Thank you my friend. I'm proud to receive such a nice compliment. I'm learning yet and trying to do better with the videos. The first one on this subject failed terribly because I only had 10 minutes for video length when I made it. I eventually had to turn the comments off and redo the video. I agree with you whole heartedly though, there's nothing worse than a silent video with no captions with low resolution.
Hello. There is very little wattage when the motor is used with the SSG circuit. This is the the way the system can charge a battery with high voltage and no heat. On the other hand if larger magnets where installed on the rotor and the unit used as a conventional generator it would have potential as expected from a generator this size. I haven't tested it in an optimized configuration as a conventional generator.
Hello, These motors can operate as a standard generator without any modifications at all. They are three phase an only need the proper rectifiers. On the other hand the high voltage circuit is not meant to have high current. The idea is to charge a battery without wattage.
You could but I wouldn't. This was meant to be used as a mechanical oscillator combined with the SSG circuit. To be a practical conventional generator it would need strong magnets and a different winding scheme. Almost any DC motor with brushes will make a good generator. Since this has no brushes you would have to use diodes to rectify the output. I couldn't recommend this motor unless I knew what kind of wattage you are looking for, and how you will turn the rotor.
@DadHav I was about to build it like the one in your vids but with the rotor in the middle surrounded by the coils. I would like to get some decent wattage. I would like some 5000W but if i cant I can always double the generators.
Sorry young man but this motor would be hundreds of times to small. If you search for 500 watt generators you will find them for about $400.00 and you will need at least 8 hp to run them. You would be better off finding a few Smart Drive washing machine motors and hooking them up with a serpentine drive or something like that.
Please excuse my lack of knowlegde im only 13yrs, but since your powering this generator at 12 volts and then i can recall you saying that it can give out i think 300 volts; can you make an additional board with can take 12 volts out of the 300 volts to power that generator and with an additional external power source like in my case my rc Ac6 thunder power charger running at 12 volts, with out the need of another battery or a wall socket. Also with capacitors to help bring down excess voltage
Hello, Many people try to do things like you mention in one way or another. The problem is: The pulse of high voltage is very short time wise and has almost no currents. So with this being said, running devices that have any load is not very successful. Many people charge a capacitor with the pulse output then dump the capacitor back into the battery. It's tough to get past equilibrium though.
Oh my goodness, I love your work! Thank God there are still those who wish to make some kind of change to the world! :D
Btw, I didn't even have to read anyone's comment to know how you made the motor. Its the electromagnetic field which works in a Turn on Turn off way. Each Magnet turns on and turns off. so the rotor spins undisturbed. Right? Lol Whats the longest you've run the motor at? I bet, if big enough, it can run your own home!
Oh, No world changing technology here, but something to think about and possibly use for experiments. The idea behind the experiment is to use the spike for charging. The spike is generally sent to ground in most electronic circuits so the components are kept safe. This being said, in most cases, you can charge without heating the battery or creating a drag on the rotor while under load. Thanks for watching.
Yes exactly. You may know that this is usually an undesirable part of electronics that is filtered out or sent to ground to protect other components in the circuit. In this case it's all that is being used. The faster the cut-off to the coils the better the charging effect on a lead acid battery. If you have time have a look at the second video it may explain a little better what's going on.
@DadHav Can the window motor and the stator and configure to turn a propeller fast enough to give yo u lift or propulsion? Wonderful explanation I must add.
Well the stator motor is basically a much larger version of what the hobby industry uses for their model airplanes. The windings and magnets could be changed to be identical in configuration and swing a very large propeller. The problem is in the stator itself which has thicker laminations and will heat up from induction in that application. The window motors although having a lot of torque are big and heavy. Maybe if it could be lightened up it would be practical.
i am begining to understand how it works did personaly like to try to make some improvements and hopefull get a realy good voltage for another experiment of mine ill mail you about it.
Heck , I've tried so many things that couldn't get past equilibrium that I think I should do more of the things I'm best at and stay with the machining videos.
There may be a need for this type of circuit in the area of Carbon Capture and Sequestration (CCS) as an efficient contentious fan to move large volumes of air across certain resins. My interest in this motor is due to the proposed high efficiency/long life. The benefit of charging a battery is potentially significant as a booster to a solar collector charging system. For dependability, duel use and efficiency, are any other circuits completive with the pulse? As a layperson, I thank you.
I don't know of any circuits that resemble the ones John Bedini introduced. I'm pretty much a layperson myself when it comes to this stuff. Most of the devices aren't meant to run a load but the window motor can be pretty strong running.
I have the setup down right now but I think the current draw on the WM was 60-70 ma. I don't think the voltage changed on a larger cap. As a matter of fact I think I had it work with a dead short on the input. I tried a lot of combinations with the window motor. I might go back to some more tests. There's endless possibilities. I might try a 3 phase with a pulse circuit on each phase. There are some low cogging combos which would allow for strong magnets.
Thanks for offering this work. You have clarified and validated some of my own thoughts on this issue. It is great to see such an even headed explanation which does not require a viewer to blindly accept the existence of over unity!
I believe this type of circuit can make a good battery charger. I wonder, however, of the potential of using super conductive magnets and bearings. Have you considered this? Any feel for the power (torque) increase with such upgrades?
Good questions. Strong large N50 magnets would definitely increase the effects as well as the torque. If I was looking for torque only with one of these motors I might not use the pulse circuit but rather a standard brushless control. There are way to many possibilities to talk in this space but a three phase operation with a pulse circuit at each phase along with a low cogging configuration on the poles and stator would certainly be something to try. I might get to it soon.
thank you for doing this vid. glad lots! now i understand what you have done! with switching, you will have a model plane brushless that will run forever, IF the runbattery of Li-ion will accept radiant spikes to charge, WITH switching, as to not RUN Trigger, WHILE accepting radiant spike. cheers dadhav!
I figured as much. I see that it is acting like a transformer, you have two different winding ratios on the stator. If you wanted a simple over unity generator, make a permanent magnet jump from one U core to another and have two windings on each core. It takes less energy to get a bar magnet to jump between magnetic circuits, and at completing them, produce more energy than it took to move. Set the whole device in hydraulic steering fluid to cushion the shock of the magnet against the corss
I can't thank you enough for what you have just posted. It answers so many of the questions my students ask about and I can not give a an answer too, let alone have the equipment and wonderful motors you have built.
Again, Thank you for the video. I'll keep an eye out for the 'wind' video and 'how to' on your printer motor / stepper motor types you have.
Respectfully, the ole shop tchr of 39+ yrs, trying to teach electronics. :-)
Sorry I did not do a good job explaining what is going on w/ this SSG circuit being used as a generator. John Bedini explained many years ago there is not much voltage coming from his energizer as a generator. I think every “Tom Dick & Hairy” has spun it up to test this fact - including myself 3 years ago. Your stator was the first to prove this wrong. Why? That’s the RUB - “Bolt’s Amplified SSG Short” takes that on.
This “magneto generator” is using a completely different energy than The Radiant spike JB talks about. I like your use of the CAP, the diodes and trigger help put some of that energy there, now were getting down to some serious basics.
Hey John,
I'm making some coil mounts now so can run a gen coil with the seperate SSG circuit hooked to a light in parallel with a cap. I seen that if you split the bifilar coil and offset the trigger you obtain a larger spike from the induction of the collapsing field.
My question is did you add strands in parallel to slow the decay in the collasping field or any further progressions? This seems very Tesla thinking about it.
Regards
Dan
Damadarfury 13 hours ago
@Damadarfury
Hi Dan. Actally I had no plans of shifting phase but there must be some going on. I am making a three phase motor with hall effects for triggers. I have hopes of getting the motor closer to a real world application. It's hard to find the time.
John
DadHav 1 hour ago
sorry for my stupidity but is this actualy what it says on the tin. wil it run on it's own continusley and what would happen if you put the entire thing in a vacue maybe increase the output with the lower friction
again i don't know what i am talking about i am just intrested
so please reply
crapbag1997 2 days ago
Forgive my ignorance, i am just a college student.
but from my understanding of electonics, you can trade current for voltage at a 1:1 ratio. It seems to me that you are trading a 9v voltage at a decent current for a 12v voltage at a miniscule current. Meaning, that you need to run the 9v voltage for a longer period to produce the same charge in the battery compared to the runtime using a proper 12v voltage.. am i mistaken? i appreciate your response & was fascinated by your video
cluelesswako 5 days ago
@cluelesswako
You're alway welcome to ask questions. Actually what you say is true as it pertains to normal charging techniques, This charge is based on high voltage and low current. It's not unusual to be over 400 volts with a 9 volt input. The high voltage comes from an event formed around the coil collapsing after a fast shut off. So the normally damaging high voltage that isn't used in conventional circuits is used to condition and charge lead acid batteries. Search SSG to learn more.
J
DadHav 4 days ago
This is just a thought, but you could probably use a 555 timer circuit, to switch between "motoring" and "generating" and you might be able to adjust it so you are motoring this unit for 49% of the time, and operating the output generator (using only the high voltage static spikes) 51% or more of the time, so the battery is being charged more often than it is being drained, also Bedini said that lead ions have momentum, so high voltage forces them in motion backwards, in opposition to the load.
supermuble 1 week ago
@supermuble
There isn't much drag because of the tiny magnets. They only need to generate enough voltage to fire the transistor. There have been many people doing similar to what you explain. Some have used commentators and others solid state. There are a few claimed self runners with that technique. Some use a capacitor dump in the transition. I've been able to reach near equilibrium but not over unity yet.
Thanks
John
DadHav 1 week ago
Bedini found that you cannot charge a battery and draw from it at the same exact time, however if you charge momentarily, then switch to the load momentaritly, in intervals, with a heavy flywheel, you can drive your motor less than you are driving your generator, and the generator's static electricty (which is free to produce, because there is very little drag) is converted to AMPS in the lead acid battery - the lead acid battery is the free energy converter!
supermuble 1 week ago
So! After watching this video, I had a lot to think about. 1.) There was probably very little drag on the generator output, minus some magnetic cogging at low speed, but neglible at higher speeds. 2.) The output circuit is generating static electricity like a magneto (because it's an SSG circuit), while consuming neglible power from the drive motor. 3.) What you built is the motor-energizer from Bedini's patents! All you need is the relay switch, doing 49% duty cycle motor, 51% generator.
supermuble 1 week ago
So this is still dependant upon electrical input, but far more efficient than a generic electrical motor? thanks
miketonon 1 week ago
I watched the whole fourty minutes, and i think you build a rotary power converter.
Is that what it is?
drijfkip1 1 week ago
@drijfkip1
I suppose it could be thought of that way, There is a difference though. The output that people are looking for with this SSG technology is in the form of an event from the collapsing of the coils when there is a back EMF. I just used the window motor to show a bench mark RPM for the generator part.
John
DadHav 1 week ago
Connect the capacitor directly to the input and it will charge without that superfluous motor crap.
MucusFelidae 1 week ago
@MucusFelidae
First my motor building isn't crap. You're the guy who puts stuff together with junk. Most who watch the video know I use the window motor to drive the stator motor to have a bench mark RPM to go from one experiment to another. Instead of being a wise guy, why don't you just not come back here and bother me with your tripe.
I have a feeling you don't even know what you're looking at.
J
DadHav 1 week ago
@DadHav I am sorry, but you are building a motor-generator system to charge a small capacitor, that's my conclusion. Why else would you present the cap at the end of the video?
MucusFelidae 1 week ago
@MucusFelidae
If I wanted to charge a capacitor I would have put it on the output not the input! The video shows that a potential comes back through the input circuit and what charges the capacitor also lengthens the run from a battery. With the capacitor on the input this potential and voltage on the capacitor actually allows the circuit to fire the transistor and create the high voltage for charging. With all respect you missed what the video was about all together.
J
DadHav 1 week ago
@DadHav OK, I missed it. Thought you are going to charge a capacitor with a motor-generator.
Harvesting the flyback switching impulses to load capacitors or batteries has a drawback on the switching speed. The charging diode and capacitor comprise a circuit which causes current flow and thus slow the demagentization of the coil. This may be
irrelevant in case of a motor, but that trick was used to slow the switching time of relais coils. :
MucusFelidae 1 week ago
@MucusFelidaeI
I'd say you have a good idea of what's going on but most people aren't understanding where it's relevant. In the first video I only had 10 minutes to explain to my friends on the forum the unusual effect of the feedback through the input circuit. this was something not seen with the standard monopole machines they had. The video was so misunderstood that I had to turn off comments and try to explain better. It may take 2 or 3 more videos yet before I ever get it right Ha ha LOL
DadHav 1 week ago
@DadHav Never give up, even when people like me write stupid comments.
MucusFelidae 1 week ago
@MucusFelidae
I can tell you're not stupid by any means. The tube is loaded with so much of this that it all looks the same. People answer before looking close at what's going on. I'll answer any questions all day as long as the conversation is fairly civil. I don't use the words Free Energy, Energy From the Vacuum, Bloch Wall Effect etc. even though I think there may be something behind it. If I ever can prove anything It'll be hard to keep me quiet. Thanks for spending some time here.
John
DadHav 1 week ago
What a nonsense.
MucusFelidae 1 week ago
@MucusFelidae
I've seen your videos and could say the same thing about what you do. But that wouldn't be polite.
DadHav 1 week ago
Hey great vid and beautiful prototypes. I'd love to know the current draw for your motors because while I appreciate the circuits charge, how much current do the window motor, ssg motor, etc draw? Thanks.
xboa721 2 weeks ago
@xboa721
The window motor has run at as low as 1 volt and less than 100 micro amp. There is literally no torque at that level. I usually don't run it at more than .25 amp. At 12 volts and that amperage you almost can't stop the rotor by squeezing the shaft. The stator motors can run and charge at around 70-150 milliamp. Mine are low torque with small magnets because they mostly are used as oscillators.
John
DadHav 2 weeks ago
@DadHav Thanks for the reply. Amazing, isn't it! I've yet to build one and in the process of research. Inspiring video. Thanks again.
xboa721 2 weeks ago
omg its Dr.Keiner.
ONR2011U 3 weeks ago
Good
MrPendidikan 3 weeks ago
What are the part # on th Ed
Mike24boyle 1 month ago
@Mike24boyle
There is just a tag on the rotor. The information for the two motors in the video are listed under the video description.
J
DadHav 2 weeks ago
Trying to remove outrunner housing . Took out all six screws is it a pressed on the bearing I just don't want to damage itI
Mike24boyle 1 month ago
@genesyndrome1
I'm sorry I can't do that. As a YouTube Partner I'm not allowed to post drawings of other peoples patented material without their written consent. The circuits here are patented by John Bedini. If you do a search for his circuits you will find what you need. I would advise you learn a little bit about the SSG circuit and technology before you dive into a project like this. Just search SSG here on the tube.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
i want one!
skaterscourse2050 1 month ago
I dont know what input power you use for turning motor,but maybe you should try with pulse input(I don`t mean AC with pulse).Maybe this would save some energy from output for other things...
zviki68 1 month ago
@DadHav. I would like to use this power to power my cell. Please take a look if you have time. David A. Puchta
Hhydrogen4Power 1 month ago
@DadHav,
Do you think the orbo motor will lose its magnetism after a while? I tried to find ways to lose magnetism but can only find heat, and/or shock. Even if they lose it, wouldn't you think magnets can be used as energy storage. Meanwhile they have been spending millions on Lithium Ion chemistry research, which I think is paid for by oil company to lead them to wrong direction.This thing will never be useful for EV. But Flow Battery will, like the one researched by MIT and Fraunhofer labs.
OUexp 1 month ago
@OUexp
Hello, I studied the Orbo for a while and did some experiments. I didn't like the current draw I had to use and decided to see where they would take this. Did it ever get anywhere? It looked like they where ready for licensing. I've tried to find something to block magnetism but was unsuccessful. Heat did have an effect but at high power cost. Not sure about the batteries. Their using LiPo in cars now I'm sure. Some think magnets are a form of electrical energy.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
John, it is interesting you've been playing on this magnetic motor since 70s. So you're a black belt now on open mind circuits :). I have seen enough of unethical practices to suppress techs. Even back in Tesla time his notes mentioned about politics. I guess it's just human nature driven by ego, greed, selfishness. Nothing can stop these but ethics, moral education and parenting. Even on Pons and Fleischman CF,I can't believe there's coverage on 60 minutes, here. You'd think it be censored!
OUexp 1 month ago
@OUexp
OU. You're a deep thinker for sure. I worked with a researching group in the 70's. They were interested in free energy, From the 80's to about 2K I was to busy with my career to experiment so I might only be a brown belt. I just keep open minded and have fun with experiments. I try to keep it honest and interesting. I always say "Science and education over ignorance and superstition any old day"
Thanks for watching.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
While you were manually powering the rotor you had in effect a magneto.Look at any small motor cycle, lawnmower or marine outboard engine and you will see the exact same power generation scheme you are observing in your motor.The high voltage spikes that are flashing your lights were a problem in early point style ignition systems the would arc across and burn the contacts of the points hence the use of a condenser which is the same exact thing as a capacitor.Old technology revisited.
tallwill38 1 month ago in playlist More videos from DadHav
@tallwill38
With all due respect you, would have to know more about the circuits. The operation does look much like a magneto or ignition system. You would have noticed I even made a reference in the video to an old ignition coil. There are theories about the circuit and materials used for the motor that do not compare to a magneto. I don't talk about the Bloch Wall effect in the cores and coils, Radiant Energy, The Vacuum etc. because it brings more negative comments than what you have.
J
DadHav 1 month ago
Basically you are powering half the motor winding's & getting power feed off the other half?
This could be explained as magnetic coupling? What you could try is to increase the number of turns on the power in or power outside of the motor?
HLANGEL100 1 month ago
@HLANGEL100
Usually the motor is used a little different than what you would expect. A trigger coil generates a small voltage which fires the power transistor into the second coil. The second coil moves the rotor. When the second coil has the field collapse there is an EMF which goes out to charge the battery. Increasing windings is not usually productive for the application.
J
DadHav 1 month ago
Amigo e esse cachorro pulguento ai do lado? ele manja de eletronica tambem ? kk bacana o video, bom provalvelmente vc nem entende portugues né, sory i dont speak inglish.
landoapiai 1 month ago
if bedini wasn't deranged his technology would have worked a long time ago..
over unity may be possible but bedini never had it.
DanFrederiksen 1 month ago
@DanFrederiksen
Ha ha ha. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? I don't think JB has a monopoly on radiant energy. He has an opinion on how to get it. No matter what he is, he supplies a great hobby tool I'm having a lot of fun. To bad Tesla isn't around today. It has been a long time, but deranged? Maybe arranged. It depends on many possible mode of opperation's or agenda's.
Take care Dan. It's been interesting talking to you. If you feel like talking further get a PM to me.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
@DadHav Bedini is no Tesla. and Bedini is most certainly deranged. for a person to fool himself for 20 years he has to be quite deranged. they all are. Lutec in australia, Newman in USA. no doubt Stan Meyer was too.
OU may be possible but they never had it. and they were never close. they simply don't know what they are doing.
DanFrederiksen 1 month ago
@DanFrederiksen
Dan, Don't get your dander up. I couldn't prove one way or another. I do agree it's been a long time and well over due to see something go into a scientific lab for validation. I hear of it happening but I'd like to see something from Battelle Institute or something.
Diddo on the Tesla. There will never be another. I'm happy to see you think OU is possible. I've seen enough unexplainable things to believe this can be possible too. dowsing rods anyone, just for starters.
J
DadHav 1 month ago
@DadHav
Upon reading this compilation of free energy devices pdf, PJKbook by Patrick Kelly. I found it interesting and was surprised I had a similar idea in my head. In a way a permanent motor is used today. I was thinking, what if the stator coil is replaced with another permanent magnet. But timed it in such a way it mimics the coil. And I found someone already came out with that idea with rotating magnetic shield, mu-metal. Clever!
OUexp 1 month ago
@OUexp
Back in the 70's I made drawings of a magnetic motor that could work if we had a material that could shield magnetism. At that time we couldn't find anything. I was working with a doctor of physics and one of electronics so when they said it was unobtainable I believed the, I never worked with mu-metal but if there is a shield I would like to try it. Keep in mind magnets passing the mu-metal may induce an eddy current break.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
@DadHav - Even if you were able to build a magnetic motor that rotated under its own power via magnetic fields, the magnets will eventually die. The constantly inter-acting flux lines will eventually deteriorate the polar alignment of the magnet leaving you with a non-magnetic peice of iron/ferrite. You will then have to realign the molocules using a very powerful electromagnet, which is no different then putting gas into your car, then your motor will work again... for a little while.
ixamraxi 1 month ago
@ixamraxi
Actually I don't have any magnetic motors here. There is nothing with one magnet passing the other. My magnets are neodymium and pass coils. This is much like a permanent magnet brushed or brushless motor. The only case I can personally attest to would be with old boat motor magnetos. I've seen them weaken but they where probably Alnico.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
@DadHav - I understand that, I was referring to the discussion in the comments that made reference to magnet motors, not the motor in the video itself. Over unity is impossible, not because a machine cannot put out more energy than is put in, but because any such machine is still not actually "generating" energy, it is only converting one form of energy [even if it is some unseen fundamental form of energy] into a more useful form of energy, the energy still needs to exist in the first place.
ixamraxi 1 month ago
@ixamraxi
Hello, I thought about that after I posted the comment already. I understand modern day physics and electronics pretty well including that as it pertains to energy being converted. I agree with everything you say but remain open minded and hopeful of new discoveries.
Thanks for watching the video and taking time to comment.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
@DadHav
What's interesting is this Bedini circuit though... I looked at the schematics, it appears there are two sub-circuits: Trigger & drive circuits. If I understood it correctly, the trigger circuit acts like a hall sensor when that magnet approaches the stator winding, it energizes it and allows the magnet to not get attracted to it, after the magnetic work has been extracted (on approach). This I thought somewhat similar to Steorn (Orbo motor). But they use light/hall sensor...?
OUexp 1 month ago
@OUexp
You are right. In some cases the magnet is repelled. It's normal to use a Hall on more advanced circuits especially the sequential Bipolar window motor circuits. I briefly looked at the Orbo but thought it was a spin off from Bedini using toroid drivers. I tried some experiments and didn't like what I saw. The circuits are simple but fun to experiment with
DadHav 1 month ago
Thanks for your explanation John... This kinda remind me of when I was a little kid playing around with used neon light transformer, with two wires. I hook it up to AA battery and when I let it go it gave me a jolt. Then I got creative and made a " Light saber" with 9v battery! Friends loved/hated it. :) This is what makes me pursue my career as EE. Now I know it goes to infinity when I did that (at least in textbook). Also used in Boost DC-DC converter. Just add a diode, cap and N-channel...
OUexp 1 month ago
@OUexp
Hello. When I was a kid I had an Erector Set that had a hand shocker project. You made a little ratchet out of a gear and a crank. This opened and closed a circuit to the electric motor field coil. Naturally the motor was unplugged and you used a battery. I loved that thing. I made my little sister crank that think all the time while holding the little handles made from the aluminum parts. Your arms would actually twist in-wards. Ha, Maybe that's what happened to my brain.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
@DadHav.
Hi John,
This is interesting. Have you ever measured the current of the high voltage terminal?
I wonder if the high level measurement is due to high input impedance of the scope probe...? (low load - almost open).
thanks.
OUexp 1 month ago
@OUexp
Hello. The scope has an earth ground attached to the ground lug, the circuit is grounded as well as the ground clip from the scope being attached. This is a normal legitimate trace with the probe on 10X. This is a product of the power coil being hit with a sharp cut off short duration spike. The faster the cut off the better the results. The high voltage, as many of them, is very low amperage, but this was the intent. The battery charge is more from voltage than current.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
@OUexp
Measuring the charge side of the circuit the current is very small (40-60 ma in the case of these small machines) and, in my opinion deceiving because the trace pattern has a small h shape at the bottom. This means there is a small current at approximately the voltage of the input battery. This makes it complicated to separate the readings The small voltage h sort of prepares the battery for what people refer to as a radiant charge..
Thanks for watching.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
Hey everyone. Does anyone know where I can buy these clear, plastic enclosed motors? Thanks
rexineffect2011 1 month ago
Im allways impressed by your craftsmanship in your projects! Thanks for sharing!
shazizz 2 months ago
If I connect an inverter from 12 v to 220 v? It will work?
valiox00x 2 months ago
@valiox00x
If you mean a power supply that converts 220 to 12 volts DC. that would be a possibility but batteries are known to work better.
J
DadHav 2 months ago
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TheBrianKSr 2 months ago
@TheBrianKSr
Even though you remove the comment, it still goes to my e-mail. You're off track using the word duh.
J
DadHav 2 months ago
GREAT VIDEO! darkwizard from energeticforum.
frehleyukito 2 months ago
Great video, this is one of the better videos I have come across. I am heavily into building Bedini replica's. Great Work. What is the best charge rate you achieved so far?
acrophobia123 2 months ago
yes it will charge the battery with plasma but not ions.. so its useless.
mrCbeems 2 months ago
@mrCbeems
CBeems. Your comment is USELESS and somewhat insulting to all the people who charge and condition batteries with PLASMA if that's what you want to call it. This mechanical oscillator works the same and has the same output that thousands of people are using. It takes many charges to condition the lead acid battery to accept a fully beneficial charge from this type of pulse, but once you are successful there are some good results.
J
DadHav 2 months ago
@DadHav Exactly what do you mean by good results??? I tried the bendini circuit firsthand and while it was able to charge a battery.. the charge evidently was lacking in electrical power potential if you want to call it that. In any case, I'll have a closer look at your vid.
mrCbeems 1 month ago
@mrCbeems
Good results would be a battery that charges faster than with a conventional charger, It would be desulfated if it where an old battery and the capacity would be equal or better than normal. I know many people who have results like you have. I've had the same experience a few times. Some people completely ruin their batteries. I hope you figure out the tuning I knw it can be frustrating. My machines happen to work OK, but I admit I've seen other people having better results.
John
DadHav 1 month ago
wow ...so u modified the SSG to get High Voltage out of 12 Volts DC!!!
WrongBirthday 2 months ago
@WrongBirthday
Hello, The high voltage from the Bedini circuit is pretty much expected but the fact that the circuit energized from the motor turning manually was a little unexpected.
John
DadHav 2 months ago
@WrongBirthday
Wow, You already know the SSG has high voltage without modifying anything.
J
DadHav 1 month ago
very informitive. keep it up
mrlefler999 2 months ago
good accident my friend, it calls reactif energy caused by i kind of "micro telsa" inside capacitor by static curent returns of magnetic field and the air between the coils... i think ...opppss congratulaions for your dedication, now a bigger one...;-) "sorry my typing errors and english too ... best regards
maparaco1 2 months ago
@maparaco1
Thanks Friend. I appreciate you commenting.
John
DadHav 2 months ago
good accident my friend, it call´s reactif energy caused by i kind of "micro telsa" inside capacitor by static curent rturns of magnetic fild and the air between the cil´s... i think ...opppss congratulaions for your dedication
maparaco1 2 months ago
great info, thank you
algharibe 3 months ago
Nice video, a prototype that could be scaled-up. Definitely well illustrated
dkooliest14u 3 months ago
@cburkenow
Let me know how you make out with that. I'd like to have one of those solar death rays though. I could think of so other uses for it also.
J
DadHav 3 months ago
good friend, my question is, ami I would like to make a generator of these but the engine is an engine that creates perpetual magnets doubt I have is that I have no Sircuit to 120voltio and not that type of copper wire would have to use would you please give me a diagram for 120voltio Sircuit and type of copper wire a prompt response is appreciated
Hendricklabarca 3 months ago
@Hendricklabarca
Hello friend. I'm sorry to say this is only an experiment and is not ready for a real world application. There is nothing perpetual about the motor or generator. At it's best this is can be improved to be a very good lead acid battery charger but is far from a device to replace the energy in your home. I wish I could advise you but it isn't practical at this time.
Thanks for visiting the channel.
John
DadHav 3 months ago
Pure genius keep up the good work
crespok200 3 months ago
wow, you have system produces more energy than it consumes ?
igtoth 3 months ago
@igtoth
Ighor, No, I'm sorry, I wish something here would be over unity but I'm not that lucky. Thanks for watching though.
John
DadHav 3 months ago
You got it ric. I've seen AC-DC many times when they first started out. At one concert they where the opening band for Thin Lizzy. Before the night was over the crowd wanted AC-DC back. It looks like you're doing pretty good with your playing. I played also back in the 60's. I had a Fender Jaguar and a 6 speaker Sears tube amp that I had rolled and pleated with leather. Played dozens of clubs in the Cleveland Ohio USA area.
Man, Good times.
Take care thanks for watching the videos.
John
DadHav 3 months ago
@DadHav John your page is a youtube researchers wet dream, I absolutely love your page and work...and constructive nature
not to sound like i have an alternate motive but if you get a chance you might want to check out my sn1pe352 (this youtube account) and its uploads
other electrical engineers and experimental researchers have found it interesting
your new subscriber-friend
Nicholas E
sn1pe352 3 months ago
high voltage rock'n roll :) yeah acdc!!!!
ric46ful 3 months ago
are you selling some of your stuffs?
docanjun 3 months ago
@docanjun
No, I'm sorry. It isn't practical for me to sell anything.
J
DadHav 3 months ago
Hi THank you for taking the time to make this video I found it very interesting. I am just a beginner in electronics and have built a ssg 3 coil circuit. Could you upload the circuit diagram of the 555 timer part of your circuit please. I have tried to make one but I cannot get it to work. I have tried to find a circuit diagram to help me but the ones I have tried do not work for me. Thank you for your time. I was at the point of giving up with the 555 timer until I was inspired by your video
jemhem 3 months ago
The old dog know already that mechanism!HIHI!
soulessdelu 4 months ago
ooooo ok ok Sir
no problem ok thankx for your very fast reply
Takre Care
bhaikhurram1 4 months ago
@bhaikhurram1
You are most welcome. Maybe I'll send a message to JB and try to get permission to post some of his simple circuits if I use them.
Thanks for visiting.
John
DadHav 4 months ago
Dear Sir DADHAV
if you Explain with the help of cct diagram of this brushless bedini motor then very helpfull for us.
i see your fast reply
thankx
bhaikhurram1 4 months ago
@bhaikhurram1
Hello, This is an unfortunate thing but as a YouTube / Adsense Member I can't post any drawings or diagrams that aren't my own unless I have written consent from the original owner sent to them when I post the video. I doubt very much if John Bedini would even bother replying to a request to publish his circuits. I'm sorry for that. Maybe I can find a way around it some day. If you search the Tube for SSG and Sequential Bipolar circuits you will find others posting.
John
DadHav 4 months ago
Sweet Finally Someone who can explain how this "bedini" junk works :P But my question is this? whats the difference between using some inductors and DC-DC converter to charge the battery? My guess is the DC power supply you use to "power" the system, probably consumes just as much as a trickle charge battery charger would (assuming it wasn't a wall wart). But it is cool project for sure!
djrevolution99 5 months ago
@djrevolution99
This is different because the idea is to use the the high voltage spike to charge the battery. There are benefits that a conventional charge doesn't offer. No heat, desulfating, and a chemical change in the battery which allows it to charge faster as cycles add up. Yes the power supply does draw current but if I used a battery the current draw would be no more that the amp meter reads. Sometimes I don't want to run at 12 volts and I have current limiting for safety.
Thanks
J
DadHav 5 months ago
Good project, will you share project schematic, especially the coil you used,
because i still don't understand how you make the coil.
Thanks you
nefanasa 5 months ago
@nefanasa
Hello, I think you are probably referring to the windings on the stator part of the motor. If you have a look at the first video it shows the stator and how the separate windings are arranged. Each of the 12 legs have the windings in the opposite direction, or should I say each alternates from clockwise to counter clockwise. Have a look and see if it answers your question.
JOhn
DadHav 5 months ago
can you also do a video on ocillascopes? like how to use them an hookem up to circuts and such
omgitschrislol 5 months ago
@omgitschrislol
Hmm. I may not be the best person to do that. I do however have a very expensive old scope kit that I need to repair. Maybe I'll take it apart for people to see how complicated the project was, and explain the basics of the circuits ans a little insight on how to do some basic measurements.
John
DadHav 5 months ago
@DadHav That would be cool! and maybe film while your taking it apart? I have seen some digital scope solder kits online, do you know if those are any good? I realy want/need one but i dont have near enough money to go and buy one premad from like Frys or Digikey.
omgitschrislol 5 months ago
@omgitschrislol
Kit scopes are educational and work pretty good as far as I know. You could also look into an adapter and software to use a computer as a scope. Keep in mind E-bay is full of used scopes at good prices also. Yes, I think some people would like to see what's inside an $800.00 scope kit. There's probably over 1000 parts to be soldered.
John
DadHav 5 months ago
@DadHav I have soldered more lol well al bunch of leds 625 to be exact
omgitschrislol 5 months ago
I love motors and electircal engineering. subscribed.
omgitschrislol 5 months ago
So you actually built an a little complicated DC-DC-boost converter ;) .
Those "reverse" peaks will really kill almost any semiconductor, if not taken into account in the design. I fried some diodes and transistors myself, when I tried to control a motor with "selfmade" PWM.
superdau 5 months ago
@superdau
Yes, in a way. Many have made the same comment. The idea of the circuit though, is to use the spikes that are normally damaging to charge a battery.
J
DadHav 5 months ago
Excellent. I have only now started investigating this concept and found this video one of the best.
anuretta 5 months ago
An incredible video!! It makes up for the majority I've seen that make no attempt to explain the concept, components, or performance of the featured work. One can find scores of videos that offer nothing more than a few seconds of a poorly displayed mess leaving the viewer to guess why it would be posted in the first place. A sincere thank-you for showing that Youtube is more than the pitiful pooling of adolescent confusion or one sorry example after another of discraceful ignorance. ~S~
classclown555 5 months ago
@classclown555
Thank you my friend. I'm proud to receive such a nice compliment. I'm learning yet and trying to do better with the videos. The first one on this subject failed terribly because I only had 10 minutes for video length when I made it. I eventually had to turn the comments off and redo the video. I agree with you whole heartedly though, there's nothing worse than a silent video with no captions with low resolution.
Thanks again
John
DadHav 5 months ago
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kyleain 5 months ago
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cDog8766 6 months ago
Mybe you could help with my project =D
cDog8766 6 months ago
@cDog8766
Possibly.
J
DadHav 6 months ago
how much watts does this output?
SilvanTheuma 6 months ago
@SilvanTheuma
Hello. There is very little wattage when the motor is used with the SSG circuit. This is the the way the system can charge a battery with high voltage and no heat. On the other hand if larger magnets where installed on the rotor and the unit used as a conventional generator it would have potential as expected from a generator this size. I haven't tested it in an optimized configuration as a conventional generator.
John
DadHav 6 months ago
@DadHav what alterations need to be made to produce a high wattage. thanks
SilvanTheuma 5 months ago
@SilvanTheuma
Hello, These motors can operate as a standard generator without any modifications at all. They are three phase an only need the proper rectifiers. On the other hand the high voltage circuit is not meant to have high current. The idea is to charge a battery without wattage.
John
DadHav 5 months ago
@DadHav i'd like to use this as a conventional Generator to use it instead of a fossil fuel generator. Can I do it as it is in your videos?
Thanks
SilvanTheuma 5 months ago
@SilvanTheuma
You could but I wouldn't. This was meant to be used as a mechanical oscillator combined with the SSG circuit. To be a practical conventional generator it would need strong magnets and a different winding scheme. Almost any DC motor with brushes will make a good generator. Since this has no brushes you would have to use diodes to rectify the output. I couldn't recommend this motor unless I knew what kind of wattage you are looking for, and how you will turn the rotor.
J
DadHav 5 months ago
@DadHav I was about to build it like the one in your vids but with the rotor in the middle surrounded by the coils. I would like to get some decent wattage. I would like some 5000W but if i cant I can always double the generators.
Thanks for your very useful help
SilvanTheuma 5 months ago
@SilvanTheuma
Sorry young man but this motor would be hundreds of times to small. If you search for 500 watt generators you will find them for about $400.00 and you will need at least 8 hp to run them. You would be better off finding a few Smart Drive washing machine motors and hooking them up with a serpentine drive or something like that.
J
DadHav 5 months ago
i m show glad to see thoes motor realy do work but thing of it the have solded state genradtor comeing out
alienhddna 6 months ago
@alienhddna
Yep, I show do know what yor saying there. There's alot of people doing the same thing with solid state versions. Thanks for watching.
John
DadHav 6 months ago
can you put subtitle in italian plese?
WHOOM85 7 months ago
@WHOOM85
I'm not sure that would be very practical but I would be glad to answer any question that you have.
John
DadHav 7 months ago
ok..where have you take the components from? i'd like to built this funny generator, thanks
WHOOM85 7 months ago
nice vid :) reminds me of my grandpa who studied science ;)
Kajmunk4A2 7 months ago
@Kajmunk4A2
Hey, Who you calling grandpa! Ha, just kidding. Last week someone about your age called me Popsie.
Thanks for watching your grandpa must have been a good guy.
John
DadHav 7 months ago
Please excuse my lack of knowlegde im only 13yrs, but since your powering this generator at 12 volts and then i can recall you saying that it can give out i think 300 volts; can you make an additional board with can take 12 volts out of the 300 volts to power that generator and with an additional external power source like in my case my rc Ac6 thunder power charger running at 12 volts, with out the need of another battery or a wall socket. Also with capacitors to help bring down excess voltage
MegaRallycar 7 months ago
@MegaRallycar
Hello, Many people try to do things like you mention in one way or another. The problem is: The pulse of high voltage is very short time wise and has almost no currents. So with this being said, running devices that have any load is not very successful. Many people charge a capacitor with the pulse output then dump the capacitor back into the battery. It's tough to get past equilibrium though.
John
DadHav 7 months ago
Oh my goodness, I love your work! Thank God there are still those who wish to make some kind of change to the world! :D
Btw, I didn't even have to read anyone's comment to know how you made the motor. Its the electromagnetic field which works in a Turn on Turn off way. Each Magnet turns on and turns off. so the rotor spins undisturbed. Right? Lol Whats the longest you've run the motor at? I bet, if big enough, it can run your own home!
arshdeep125 7 months ago
@arshdeep125
Oh, No world changing technology here, but something to think about and possibly use for experiments. The idea behind the experiment is to use the spike for charging. The spike is generally sent to ground in most electronic circuits so the components are kept safe. This being said, in most cases, you can charge without heating the battery or creating a drag on the rotor while under load. Thanks for watching.
John
DadHav 7 months ago
@DadHav Cool!!
Yes No problem!
arshdeep125 7 months ago
The high voltage is coming from the magnetic field of the coils collapsing when they are turned off correct?
localbroadcast 8 months ago
@localbroadcast
Yes exactly. You may know that this is usually an undesirable part of electronics that is filtered out or sent to ground to protect other components in the circuit. In this case it's all that is being used. The faster the cut-off to the coils the better the charging effect on a lead acid battery. If you have time have a look at the second video it may explain a little better what's going on.
Thanks for watching
John
DadHav 8 months ago
@DadHav Can the window motor and the stator and configure to turn a propeller fast enough to give yo u lift or propulsion? Wonderful explanation I must add.
NobleAmosisTariqBey 9 months ago
@NobleAmosisTariqBey
Well the stator motor is basically a much larger version of what the hobby industry uses for their model airplanes. The windings and magnets could be changed to be identical in configuration and swing a very large propeller. The problem is in the stator itself which has thicker laminations and will heat up from induction in that application. The window motors although having a lot of torque are big and heavy. Maybe if it could be lightened up it would be practical.
John
DadHav 9 months ago
i am begining to understand how it works did personaly like to try to make some improvements and hopefull get a realy good voltage for another experiment of mine ill mail you about it.
senensoulsofme 9 months ago
@senensoulsofme
Well OK. Good luck young man.
John
DadHav 9 months ago
Ahh.. ok i understood a bit more :D
But I think the problem is that I'm 14 and from Germany ^-^
But great video
KleineZuckermausi 10 months ago
@KleineZuckermausi
It's nice to have you visit. You are welcome any time.
Haben Sie einen schönen Tag
John
DadHav 10 months ago
@DadHav I think i'll look all videos because then i know everything about it at school.
Wünsche ich Ihnen auch.
You can speak german? :D
KleineZuckermausi 10 months ago
@shannrenn
Heck , I've tried so many things that couldn't get past equilibrium that I think I should do more of the things I'm best at and stay with the machining videos.
Take care.
John
DadHav 10 months ago
There may be a need for this type of circuit in the area of Carbon Capture and Sequestration (CCS) as an efficient contentious fan to move large volumes of air across certain resins. My interest in this motor is due to the proposed high efficiency/long life. The benefit of charging a battery is potentially significant as a booster to a solar collector charging system. For dependability, duel use and efficiency, are any other circuits completive with the pulse? As a layperson, I thank you.
voglerlake 10 months ago
@voglerlake
I don't know of any circuits that resemble the ones John Bedini introduced. I'm pretty much a layperson myself when it comes to this stuff. Most of the devices aren't meant to run a load but the window motor can be pretty strong running.
John
DadHav 10 months ago
@shannrenn
I have the setup down right now but I think the current draw on the WM was 60-70 ma. I don't think the voltage changed on a larger cap. As a matter of fact I think I had it work with a dead short on the input. I tried a lot of combinations with the window motor. I might go back to some more tests. There's endless possibilities. I might try a 3 phase with a pulse circuit on each phase. There are some low cogging combos which would allow for strong magnets.
Cheers back to you.
John
DadHav 10 months ago
Thanks for offering this work. You have clarified and validated some of my own thoughts on this issue. It is great to see such an even headed explanation which does not require a viewer to blindly accept the existence of over unity!
I believe this type of circuit can make a good battery charger. I wonder, however, of the potential of using super conductive magnets and bearings. Have you considered this? Any feel for the power (torque) increase with such upgrades?
Please keep up your work :)
voglerlake 10 months ago
@voglerlake
Good questions. Strong large N50 magnets would definitely increase the effects as well as the torque. If I was looking for torque only with one of these motors I might not use the pulse circuit but rather a standard brushless control. There are way to many possibilities to talk in this space but a three phase operation with a pulse circuit at each phase along with a low cogging configuration on the poles and stator would certainly be something to try. I might get to it soon.
John
DadHav 10 months ago
what i can do is still wait for a friend who know more than me.
metalero19882 10 months ago
Absolutely great overview. Thanks for your time. Fantastic, glad I subscribed.
KyleCarrington 10 months ago
thank you for doing this vid. glad lots! now i understand what you have done! with switching, you will have a model plane brushless that will run forever, IF the runbattery of Li-ion will accept radiant spikes to charge, WITH switching, as to not RUN Trigger, WHILE accepting radiant spike. cheers dadhav!
camelsonhorizon 10 months ago
@camelsonhorizon
You noticed that I was confused or are you accusing me of being confused but not completely sure?
J
DadHav 10 months ago
@camelsonhorizon
Maybe some day, but that's a tuff project. More of a job for the Coffee guy.
J
DadHav 10 months ago
I love adding to the confusion sometimes.
FlavoredCoffeeGuy 10 months ago
I figured as much. I see that it is acting like a transformer, you have two different winding ratios on the stator. If you wanted a simple over unity generator, make a permanent magnet jump from one U core to another and have two windings on each core. It takes less energy to get a bar magnet to jump between magnetic circuits, and at completing them, produce more energy than it took to move. Set the whole device in hydraulic steering fluid to cushion the shock of the magnet against the corss
FlavoredCoffeeGuy 10 months ago
DadHav
I can't thank you enough for what you have just posted. It answers so many of the questions my students ask about and I can not give a an answer too, let alone have the equipment and wonderful motors you have built.
Again, Thank you for the video. I'll keep an eye out for the 'wind' video and 'how to' on your printer motor / stepper motor types you have.
Respectfully, the ole shop tchr of 39+ yrs, trying to teach electronics. :-)
u2btchr 10 months ago
@u2btchr
39 years. I have a great deal of respect for that. I always though if I had a second choice that I would have enjoyed teaching a shop class.
John
DadHav 10 months ago
really liked the full show of what is going on and i agree with you as far as these circuits being oscillators.
geshbeddin 10 months ago
@geshbeddin
Yes, There's a combination of things going on with the setup. I think that's why people where getting confused and irritated by it.
John
DadHav 10 months ago
John,
Sorry I did not do a good job explaining what is going on w/ this SSG circuit being used as a generator. John Bedini explained many years ago there is not much voltage coming from his energizer as a generator. I think every “Tom Dick & Hairy” has spun it up to test this fact - including myself 3 years ago. Your stator was the first to prove this wrong. Why? That’s the RUB - “Bolt’s Amplified SSG Short” takes that on.
continued.....
min2oly 10 months ago
This “magneto generator” is using a completely different energy than The Radiant spike JB talks about. I like your use of the CAP, the diodes and trigger help put some of that energy there, now were getting down to some serious basics.
I love it :-)
Thanks for posting that.
Patrick
min2oly 10 months ago 2