question...if expertise is at the bottom of the list, then what should i have it at... i have it at 45...currently im frost but ive noticed unholy puts out more dps, so im looking to change to it. any advice on this?? thanks
I am a Troll dk. I am looking for help to do some dungeoning. I did what this guy does, and I can barely pull above 7k in heroics. Can somebody please assist me or enlighten me on how to make it go above 7k and not call me a noob, please?
@Zhade11 If you're doing everything this video recommended for you to do and you're not a full on clicker, then your gear could be a factor in your low dps. If that is the case then i suggest you play with the frost spec rather than the unholy spec, especially in dungeons. Lucky for you i have a frost DK guide as well, you can find it on my channel.
DK is the first alt I've made....this is really is going to help me with my DPS off spec...no more "so how's you dps on this one tank fight", it's ummmm, non existent?
Question, how come expertise is not required when so much of our damage comes from sudden doom procs? wouldn't high expertise = more sudden doom procs?
@tdaniel89 Expertise is poor for unholy because our GCD is so low that we burn through resources faster than we can generate them, resulting in open GCD or periods where we don't have an ability to hit. This is what makes haste so valuable, essentially we are trying to increase our rate of rune regen to the point where we can fill our GCD. Because we can't reach that point atm we can sacrifice expertise because a dodged attack just pushes our attacks back by 1 filling an empty GCD along the way.
@Jevagen At what point do you think unholy dk over takes (if at all) frost DPS in pve? I've been frost since the day i started playing DK and started to get a touch bored of it.
@tdaniel89 According to Simcraft, Unholy pulls ahead slightly with BiS H T12 391 gear but the more noticeable difference comes with BiS H T13 410 gear
@tdaniel89 But too sum it all up...You do lose out on dodged (and parried) attacks that don't land (as every melee class does) but the difference vs the gains from haste and crit are far superior to the gains of expertise (and mastery now as well)
@Jevagen I mean as in IT-PS-D&D-SSx1-FSx1<----(Example)......rotation status like that. Im curious as to how long your rotation is. If you can put it down like that, that would be great!!
holy shit this is probably the best spec or anything about a certain class ever, what to reforge gem spec glyph rotation all in one, and he says stuff SLOW and clearly, this basicly told me how to do his dps :D, well if i have the gear
I have been raiding competitively as a DeathKnight since they were introduced and have yet to see a better instructional video for beginners or people who need to refresh their knowledge about this spec. I applaud you sir :)
@dudestick999 Yes i still use death coil during dark transformation when sudden doom procs or to prevent myself from being runic power capped. You can also save your runic power near the end of the transformation so that you can get into a new dark transformation asap.
Also, I see that you have either bartender and some other addons. Any chance you could list some of them that help you the most. And right at about 2 seconds in, right after you cast Outbreak, you apparently have a macro there as well, that has your trinket to be clicked immediately after. Lastly, for the secondary action bar, do you have them all hotkeyed as Left Shift? Thanks so VERY much for the hasty response.I went from a DW Frost DK to a more secky 2-H Unholy god! Dps went from 20K to 32k.
@MrSmeesters The only combat addons that i use are OmniCC, Recount, DBM, and TellMeWhen, as for my macros i use /castsequence reset=30 Outbreak, Essence of the Eternal Flame, Elementium Deathplate Gauntlets, Unholy frenzy and /castsequence reset=25 Summon Gargoyle, Unholy Frenzy and lastly for the action bar on the left above 1-9 etc. i have them keybound as left shift, Hope this helps :D
@Jevagen very cool. At 3:05 in the video, you mention some socket bonuses that I don't i've ever seen. I guess it's just a preference thing though because I go for 99% of socket bonuses.
Stat priority is wrong, and simple napkin math proves this on EJ. You use gear as an excuse for top DKs to do top damage. Most top players got to where they are by doing the right things. Gear then falls into thier laps, which, in turn, allows them to do even more damage. Stop giving new players bad advice.
New DKs, esearch what top players with LEGIT top damage pharses do, and then do your own math to understand why they do what they do. Also, use the think tank over at EJ, not Youtube.
@Blohupdoll Dude, check out the armories for the top DPS Unholy DK's on Madness of Deathwing from World of Logs. Of the 4 armories I could find 3 of the 4 had Crit above Mastery. Get a new napkin, that on has a bunch of crap written on it.
@hazrdcubby You could only find 4 armories? If you fail at navigating a website, what makes you think you can argue with me? Move along while I continue to shit on horrible Death Knights who cant even pharse top 100, let alone in my neck of the woods Son -)
@Blohupdoll That's of the top 10. Since it wouldn't allow me to use links, I took that out. Ok, lemme give you some names. Filth from Arygos, Gabani from Arzalon, Mercìléss from Moonrunner. They are 1st place, 2nd place, and 10th place. The other US that I could search for was 3rd place which was the only Mastery one of the top 10 that were US. The other countries I could not search unless you can show me a way. Those are the top unholy for Morchok.
@Blohupdoll Ok, switched it to EU. #4 has more Crit name is Pumbazz on Blackhand, #5 is Аэрдиль on Fordragon. So, that make 4 of the top 5 With Crit over Mastery.
@DravenCarey21 well this will just about wrap up my rant, and i will reask my first question. where did you get ur info? is this something u picked up off another site or is it something you tediously tested yourself? my guess is that ya picked it up somewhere and went with the crowd (which isnt bad if you just need a reference) but please atleast take the time to thouroughly analyze the spec/abilities/and stats before throwing ur name on it and putting it out for others to become misinformed.
@DravenCarey21 other than that, it was short and simple, it gave a good overview, and your voice is alot better than mine =D but despite my criticisms and prolly a somewhat negative attitude (some guides seem incomplete to me and can lead ppl in the wrong direction) thank you for ur effort in putting this guide together and taking the time to produce something for the community.
hey, you've made a pretty good guide but there are some things i find questionable (and i could totally be wrong). here they are:
1.) where did you get your info? was it all produced after hours of slaving over a hot target dummy/WoL reports/personal raids? or was it derived from a popular site like EJ?
2.) why do u value crit over mastery when most DK's scourge strike shadow damage, as well as your diseases and DnD, (which are directly influenced by mastery) are near the top of their recounts?
@DravenCarey21 After doing the math I found that out of my total damage (including my pets), the damage coming from CRITS ONLY, came out to be a measly 5.522% of the total damage done. To me this screams "CRIT ISN'T THAT GREAT GUYS" as where my shadow damage was over 35% of the total damage done by me and my pets (and over 50% of just MY damage, excluding my pet). Thus making me think that valuing mastery over crit is the best decision.
@DravenCarey21 another point i wanna discuss is ur devaluation of Expertise. An arguable sum of our damage (28.79% of me/my pets damage and 40.7% of mine) comes from melee physical abilities alone (abilities that are affected by expertise). Not only is that a fair amount of damage that can now be dodged/parried easier especially when fights like Ultraxion, Zon'ozz (burn phases), and Madness of DW require us to be in front of the target FURTHER increasing the value of Expertise.
@DravenCarey21 It's good to know that people are interested in the actual work. To be brief...
1.) I do alot of research and reading (glyphs, talents, abilities, stats, etc.) I do MULTIPLE tests on the training dummies with recount. Guild members provide extensive data and i spend alot of gold reforging. Raiding helps determine where you stand with your dps somewhat.
2.) It's basically Crit (dmg X2 on all abilities and pet dmg) VS. Mastery (% increase of only shadow dmg)
@Jevagen care to reply to my other posts? i did more testing (both dummies and in raids) and got the same results that i got the first time. its inferior. but alas, EJ says its the best and the dk's out there w/ the best gear (also strikingly on the top of the meters) follow what it says when i can assure you few of them have taken the time to analyze it themselves. crit is not better than mastery (again see my other posts) and i'd be happy to prove it for anyone who doesnt think so.
@DravenCarey21 I looked up Dravennwoye via armory, you managed to squeeze out an additional 23.5% mastery by reforging the way you did. Now take a 50k Death Coil Crit (this is me being generous) and take 23,5% of that which is 11750 dmg and then weigh it against crit which doubled that dmg... 11750 dmg (Mastery) vs 25k dmg (crit) Like i said before crit affects all your abilities and your pet dmg while mastery only alters your shadow dmg. These are just some of the factors i use to weigh the two
@Jevagen well lets actually look at this. my toon is now reforged in favor of mastery (i tested it and it does more dps by 400-1k over haste) HOWEVER before making that reforging difference i did some testing and took some screenshots. here is what i've got:
Death Coil Damage:
Non-Crit:10,029 min/12,001 average/16,867 max --- 83 / 96.5%
Crit: 20,962 min/23,160 average/25,133 max --- 3 / 3.5%
I had a total of 86 death coils, 3 of them crit. So take the 3 that crit and multiply it by
@DravenCarey21 the average damage of a critting death coil and divide that in half (to represent how much added damage it did). so 3 DC's x 23,160 = 69,480 (damge done ONLY BY CRITS) then divide that in half = 34,740 ADDED DAMAGE from it being a crit. now lets look at mastery. i had 86 Death Coils for a total of 1,066,542 damage. multiply that by the +% increase of damage i get from mastery (like you said its 23.5%). 1,066,542 x .235 = 250,637 BONUS damage from mastery.
@DravenCarey21 soooo looking at this would you rather have +34.7k damage or +250k damage. you're biggest mistake in choosing crit over mastery is that you neglect to acknowledge how little crit we have. you'd have at most upwards of 10% crit. that means 1 out of every 10 deach coils (or any abiliy) is projected to crit for you. so for every 100 DC's u have only 10 or so will crit (which means only 10 or so benefit from crit rating) as where all 100 will benefit from mastery.
@Draven If death coil were the only ability that we used then yes mastery would be superior but its the shadow dmg (blood plague, death coil, shadow portion of SS, DnD, Unholy blight) vs the crit dmg that affects all the previous abilities plus frost fever, melee dmg, pet melee dmg, and Festering strike. You also favored mastery and neglected crit which means your crit was low when you did that test and you're forgetting that raid buffs increase your crit significantly (%5 crit, Agi, Kings, etc)
@Jevagen the only reason i only discussed DC is because thats the ability you wanted to bring up. that aside, look at my origional posts about the first set of testing (when i had this stat priority: hit>exp>haste>mastery>crit) where my crit damage was only 5-6% of my damage total. it was incredibly marginal and meager.
@DravenCarey21 and the numbers i gave u from that second test (with the DC numbers) i used the same stat weights (not the way i have it now w/ mastery above haste) so there was no incredible stacking. that said raid buffs alone wont make up a deficit of over 200k damage.... (and thats just in 5 minutes)
@1994joris my point is this: the information he's giving out (about crit>mastery>exp) is false. he prolly heard it from someone else or read it on EJ and neglected to effectively analyze it and process the thought behind it. he then put that information into a guide that is sub-par at best. he showed us how well he can burst the dummy (thats impressive...) and a very quick overview of some of the minorest things about the class. i have a problem with that, especially when he cant back
@DravenCarey21 up his claims (about the stats) with a coherent arguement as where i most certainly can. as for making a guide, i already did, 5 months ago. its a two part guide that is far more comprehensive than this one. check it out if you want an actual guide, not an overview.
I find that Unholy was alot of fun to lvl up with but when I hit 85 I had to switch to frost to improve my DPS. But unholy will always hold a place in my heart.
@navydoyle92 this guide was pretty well done and i dont mean to hijack it or anything but to get a better in depth look at rotation (and have me walk you through a 5 minute dps test with commentary) then check out my guide.
@ImFat2011 /castsequence reset=25 Outbreak, Essence of the Eternal Flame, Elementium Deathplate Gauntlets, Unholy Frenzy.... of course i had a trinket and i'm an engineer so not every dk has Essence of the eternal flame and elementium deathplate gauntlets w/ synapse strings, hope this helps :D
@BLee1995 Take into consideration that in raids there will be alot of movment from time to time and DW Frost Dps only leads in tank and spank fights imo
Ive been having alittle issues with my dps and im going to see if this helps out, which i hope it does. My main issue is that im broke since the bold rubies cost 300-400g ea TT.TT
@CC4PA If you've gemmed and reforged properly according to this guide and your expertise is only at 6 then i'm assuming you dont have the best gear. If you believe your gear is up to par and your expertise is that low then its okay because its last on our priority list, you will be fine :)
@godlyben2 /castsequence reset=25 Outbreak, Essence of the Eternal Flame, Elementium Deathplate Gauntlets, Unholy Frenzy.... of course i had a trinket and i'm an engineer so not every dk has Essence of the eternal flame and elementium deathplate gauntlets w/ synapse strings, hope this helps :D
@Jevagen It helped in a way, im stuck at a 8k-12k dps, but i need to gem/enchant my gear (which im broke) haha but ur guide is nice i appreciate the upload!
Awesome! >:D Sounds cool and all but do you think you could make a DW frost guide too please? I liked your Unholy dps, and I dont see many pull that off, but a frost guide please :D
@oo18andy Go to my channel and in my uploads i have a frost dk guide as well, its 4.2 but its practically the same as 4.3 except for the gems and maybe the wording.
very nice guide, clear and informative, you seem like you were reading off a script tho, which is good to get a point across but you have no flavor in it
besides that tiny detail, very good guide and ill be looking for more from you in the future
@Raylol90 The link in the description box leads you to the spec and glyphs i recommend, as for my personal glyphs/spec... i was testing some things out and i havent changed all the glyphs yet. Again this is not the spec you should use, i only recommend the spec/glyphs from the link in the description box
@openaccessuser( Incites a friendly party or raid member into a killing frenzy for 30 sec. The target is Enraged, increasing their melee and ranged haste by 20%, but causes them to lose health equal to 2% of their maximum health every 3 sec. ) 2% of your maximum health every 3 sec for the next 30 sec adds up to 20% of your max health lost, and thanks for the constructive criticism about what you would like to see when watching these vids and about the wording on the meta gem.
this video really helped me alot, learnd more about unholy
crackerjackedable 11 hours ago
First priority for an unholy DK, reroll frost DW.
RsnRewind 2 days ago
@RsnRewind Roll a Frost DK if you wanna play an EASY spec, no skills needed.
Drakestars 1 day ago 3
@Drakestars Lol don't be daft. Unholy is faceroll.
RsnRewind 1 day ago
this almost tripled my dps, in LFR(even thou it sucks) doing top dps in pvp :L
RawrzGamerz 3 days ago
was one of the most helpful and great guide ever, thank you very much!
subscribed of course :)
2011aggroberlin 4 days ago
what is diseases?
Candykill6 4 days ago
question...if expertise is at the bottom of the list, then what should i have it at... i have it at 45...currently im frost but ive noticed unholy puts out more dps, so im looking to change to it. any advice on this?? thanks
gangstajosh55 4 days ago
just wanted to let you know i liked,commented,shared, favored, and subscribed becuase this WAS SO FUCKING HELPFULL
bjdarvis 5 days ago
@bjdarvis Thank you, I'm glad I could help :)
Jevagen 5 days ago
Thanks, very helpful!
Melesphis 5 days ago
I'm blood and frost should I go unholy can I plz have some tips
wowskleton 1 week ago
Casey Kasum???
MaudeMoo 1 week ago
I am a Troll dk. I am looking for help to do some dungeoning. I did what this guy does, and I can barely pull above 7k in heroics. Can somebody please assist me or enlighten me on how to make it go above 7k and not call me a noob, please?
Zhade11 1 week ago
@Zhade11 If you're doing everything this video recommended for you to do and you're not a full on clicker, then your gear could be a factor in your low dps. If that is the case then i suggest you play with the frost spec rather than the unholy spec, especially in dungeons. Lucky for you i have a frost DK guide as well, you can find it on my channel.
Jevagen 1 week ago
you forgot to include Arcane Torrent into regaining runic power.....oh wait....Alliance BLahhhhhhh
masta000peta 1 week ago
DK is the first alt I've made....this is really is going to help me with my DPS off spec...no more "so how's you dps on this one tank fight", it's ummmm, non existent?
masta000peta 1 week ago
@DemLongMusic
His gear is from Firelands, 24k dps was good in 4.2.
Senorconejito 1 week ago
OmG 24k sucks >_>
DemLongMusic 2 weeks ago
This guy is amazing!
blu3streak3 2 weeks ago
Hey man, great vid! Check out my video I just made, my spec is slightly different to yours. Let's hope we'll see more Unholy DKs in the future!
Drakestars 2 weeks ago 11
Question, how come expertise is not required when so much of our damage comes from sudden doom procs? wouldn't high expertise = more sudden doom procs?
tdaniel89 3 weeks ago
@tdaniel89 Expertise is poor for unholy because our GCD is so low that we burn through resources faster than we can generate them, resulting in open GCD or periods where we don't have an ability to hit. This is what makes haste so valuable, essentially we are trying to increase our rate of rune regen to the point where we can fill our GCD. Because we can't reach that point atm we can sacrifice expertise because a dodged attack just pushes our attacks back by 1 filling an empty GCD along the way.
Jevagen 3 weeks ago
@Jevagen At what point do you think unholy dk over takes (if at all) frost DPS in pve? I've been frost since the day i started playing DK and started to get a touch bored of it.
tdaniel89 3 weeks ago
@tdaniel89 According to Simcraft, Unholy pulls ahead slightly with BiS H T12 391 gear but the more noticeable difference comes with BiS H T13 410 gear
Jevagen 3 weeks ago
@tdaniel89 But too sum it all up...You do lose out on dodged (and parried) attacks that don't land (as every melee class does) but the difference vs the gains from haste and crit are far superior to the gains of expertise (and mastery now as well)
Jevagen 3 weeks ago
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Jevagen 3 weeks ago
By any chance... What addons are you using?
FlyingCarrotCake 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from Jevagen
@FlyingCarrotCake I'm using "TellMeWhen" "Recount" and "DBM"
Jevagen 3 weeks ago
this may sound weird but, i like this guy's voice
go2hell4eva 4 weeks ago
Great vid man!!
krankergizerbunny 1 month ago
So unholy is acualy GOOD yeeeesss!!!!
JSS271095 1 month ago
thanks alot for this video. do lot's of more dmg in pugs now :)
Skaraton1337 1 month ago
What rotation do you currently use for Unholy?
ChemicalBanshees 1 month ago
@ChemicalBanshees I use this rotation 5:00
Jevagen 1 month ago
@Jevagen I mean as in IT-PS-D&D-SSx1-FSx1<----(Example)......rotation status like that. Im curious as to how long your rotation is. If you can put it down like that, that would be great!!
ChemicalBanshees 1 month ago
One thing to mention is that With Gurthalak master slightly pulls ahead of crit again
Rhyanomusic 1 month ago
@Rhyanomusic This is true
Jevagen 1 month ago
one of the best videos on unholy DKs ive seen, thanks for the help
101NICKD1 1 month ago
haha, this spec is awesome. I just respecced from frost today and with an hour of practice i'm getting 28k dps in 403 PvP gear.
420FreeLife 1 month ago
holy shit this is probably the best spec or anything about a certain class ever, what to reforge gem spec glyph rotation all in one, and he says stuff SLOW and clearly, this basicly told me how to do his dps :D, well if i have the gear
MrZombicore 1 month ago
best guide ewer exept from alienas buth those are different :D
MrZomtox 1 month ago
Why use death and decay? that pulls a lot of aggro.
420FreeLife 1 month ago
@420FreeLife its and extra decease that makes you do more damage and it dont take a lot of agro aslong as youre not in blood presence
MrZomtox 1 month ago
@420FreeLife hes spec'd into a talent that increases the dmg by 30%, and the dmg/healing of deathcoil by 15%, so it helps the dps
MrZombicore 1 month ago
@420FreeLife if you r in blood presence
HrdCore1337 1 month ago
@420FreeLife Then you have an under-skilled tank ;)
stivbator1 1 month ago
Totally agree with the below, top video! GZ :)
Biznitch36 1 month ago
I have been raiding competitively as a DeathKnight since they were introduced and have yet to see a better instructional video for beginners or people who need to refresh their knowledge about this spec. I applaud you sir :)
Xplicit82 1 month ago
Thank you very much, i found this video very helpfull since i just recently changed to unholy.
jebbi1995 1 month ago
Hello mate I was wondering if u keep using death coil while ur pet is at Dark transformation. BTW it was the best unholy guide so far :)
dudestick999 1 month ago
@dudestick999 Yes i still use death coil during dark transformation when sudden doom procs or to prevent myself from being runic power capped. You can also save your runic power near the end of the transformation so that you can get into a new dark transformation asap.
Jevagen 1 month ago
Awesome guide!
JustinAJ93 1 month ago
Cool guide bro :D
So is the frost or unholy better now ?
med0n1 1 month ago
@med0n1 Go DW Frost until you start getting 410 heroic gear
Jevagen 1 month ago 2
@Jevagen No, youre wrong :) i got my 392 ilvl unholy DK .. Doing atleast 10k more dmg then any frost DK on my server..
Existss 1 month ago
Thanks :D
xzamin 1 month ago
Also, I see that you have either bartender and some other addons. Any chance you could list some of them that help you the most. And right at about 2 seconds in, right after you cast Outbreak, you apparently have a macro there as well, that has your trinket to be clicked immediately after. Lastly, for the secondary action bar, do you have them all hotkeyed as Left Shift? Thanks so VERY much for the hasty response.I went from a DW Frost DK to a more secky 2-H Unholy god! Dps went from 20K to 32k.
MrSmeesters 1 month ago
@MrSmeesters The only combat addons that i use are OmniCC, Recount, DBM, and TellMeWhen, as for my macros i use /castsequence reset=30 Outbreak, Essence of the Eternal Flame, Elementium Deathplate Gauntlets, Unholy frenzy and /castsequence reset=25 Summon Gargoyle, Unholy Frenzy and lastly for the action bar on the left above 1-9 etc. i have them keybound as left shift, Hope this helps :D
Jevagen 1 month ago
At 10-11 secs in you cast Summon Gargoyle, and then it changes to Unholy Fervor, what is the macro that you have typed up for this? Thanks!
MrSmeesters 1 month ago
@MrSmeesters /castsequence reset= 30 Summon Gargoyle, Unholy Frenzy
Jevagen 1 month ago
Going from frost DE to unholy 2-hand since its now above 2hand frost...this is going to cost me a fortune with all the reforging I have to do now :(
Bleachfan131 1 month ago
wat is that addon that is almost like recount but has the wave thing?
TheAlderacsmacker 1 month ago
@TheAlderacsmacker That is still a part of recount, right click recount where it shows your name and dps numbers and then select show real time graph
Jevagen 1 month ago
THANK YOU!!! I do insane dps now thanx alot!
tankyscootz 1 month ago
i like the song
wknight92 1 month ago
@wknight92 thanks, i make my own music :D
Jevagen 1 month ago
@Jevagen very cool. At 3:05 in the video, you mention some socket bonuses that I don't i've ever seen. I guess it's just a preference thing though because I go for 99% of socket bonuses.
wknight92 1 month ago
@wknight92 I don't think i've ever seen**
wknight92 1 month ago
you talk like robot : D
9gga1 1 month ago
Stat priority is wrong, and simple napkin math proves this on EJ. You use gear as an excuse for top DKs to do top damage. Most top players got to where they are by doing the right things. Gear then falls into thier laps, which, in turn, allows them to do even more damage. Stop giving new players bad advice.
New DKs, esearch what top players with LEGIT top damage pharses do, and then do your own math to understand why they do what they do. Also, use the think tank over at EJ, not Youtube.
Blohupdoll 1 month ago
@Blohupdoll Dude, check out the armories for the top DPS Unholy DK's on Madness of Deathwing from World of Logs. Of the 4 armories I could find 3 of the 4 had Crit above Mastery. Get a new napkin, that on has a bunch of crap written on it.
hazrdcubby 1 month ago 5
@hazrdcubby You could only find 4 armories? If you fail at navigating a website, what makes you think you can argue with me? Move along while I continue to shit on horrible Death Knights who cant even pharse top 100, let alone in my neck of the woods Son -)
Blohupdoll 1 month ago
@Blohupdoll That's of the top 10. Since it wouldn't allow me to use links, I took that out. Ok, lemme give you some names. Filth from Arygos, Gabani from Arzalon, Mercìléss from Moonrunner. They are 1st place, 2nd place, and 10th place. The other US that I could search for was 3rd place which was the only Mastery one of the top 10 that were US. The other countries I could not search unless you can show me a way. Those are the top unholy for Morchok.
hazrdcubby 1 month ago
@Blohupdoll Ok, switched it to EU. #4 has more Crit name is Pumbazz on Blackhand, #5 is Аэрдиль on Fordragon. So, that make 4 of the top 5 With Crit over Mastery.
hazrdcubby 1 month ago
What are the macros that you're using?
WoWn00berg00ber 1 month ago
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KroySS14 1 month ago
Nice voice.
SkiZoFren1 1 month ago
good video
leetmanny 2 months ago
Making a god macro is, having scourge strrike and claw, seing that ur pet doesnt use claw much, give it a try :D
CC4PA 2 months ago
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DravenCarey21 2 months ago
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DravenCarey21 2 months ago
@DravenCarey21 well this will just about wrap up my rant, and i will reask my first question. where did you get ur info? is this something u picked up off another site or is it something you tediously tested yourself? my guess is that ya picked it up somewhere and went with the crowd (which isnt bad if you just need a reference) but please atleast take the time to thouroughly analyze the spec/abilities/and stats before throwing ur name on it and putting it out for others to become misinformed.
DravenCarey21 2 months ago
@DravenCarey21 other than that, it was short and simple, it gave a good overview, and your voice is alot better than mine =D but despite my criticisms and prolly a somewhat negative attitude (some guides seem incomplete to me and can lead ppl in the wrong direction) thank you for ur effort in putting this guide together and taking the time to produce something for the community.
DravenCarey21 2 months ago
hey, you've made a pretty good guide but there are some things i find questionable (and i could totally be wrong). here they are:
1.) where did you get your info? was it all produced after hours of slaving over a hot target dummy/WoL reports/personal raids? or was it derived from a popular site like EJ?
2.) why do u value crit over mastery when most DK's scourge strike shadow damage, as well as your diseases and DnD, (which are directly influenced by mastery) are near the top of their recounts?
DravenCarey21 2 months ago
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@DravenCarey21 continue on my second point: i did a 5 minute dps test, these were my results:
Physical Damage (Melee/Scourge Strike/Festering Strike): 28.79% of the total damage done.
Shadow Damage: 37.34% of the total damage done.
Other (Frost Fever): 4.64% of the total damage done.
Pets (Ghoul + Gargoyle): 28.8% of the total damage done.
DravenCarey21 2 months ago
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@DravenCarey21 After doing the math I found that out of my total damage (including my pets), the damage coming from CRITS ONLY, came out to be a measly 5.522% of the total damage done. To me this screams "CRIT ISN'T THAT GREAT GUYS" as where my shadow damage was over 35% of the total damage done by me and my pets (and over 50% of just MY damage, excluding my pet). Thus making me think that valuing mastery over crit is the best decision.
DravenCarey21 2 months ago
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@DravenCarey21 another point i wanna discuss is ur devaluation of Expertise. An arguable sum of our damage (28.79% of me/my pets damage and 40.7% of mine) comes from melee physical abilities alone (abilities that are affected by expertise). Not only is that a fair amount of damage that can now be dodged/parried easier especially when fights like Ultraxion, Zon'ozz (burn phases), and Madness of DW require us to be in front of the target FURTHER increasing the value of Expertise.
DravenCarey21 2 months ago
@DravenCarey21 It's good to know that people are interested in the actual work. To be brief...
1.) I do alot of research and reading (glyphs, talents, abilities, stats, etc.) I do MULTIPLE tests on the training dummies with recount. Guild members provide extensive data and i spend alot of gold reforging. Raiding helps determine where you stand with your dps somewhat.
2.) It's basically Crit (dmg X2 on all abilities and pet dmg) VS. Mastery (% increase of only shadow dmg)
Jevagen 1 month ago
@Jevagen care to reply to my other posts? i did more testing (both dummies and in raids) and got the same results that i got the first time. its inferior. but alas, EJ says its the best and the dk's out there w/ the best gear (also strikingly on the top of the meters) follow what it says when i can assure you few of them have taken the time to analyze it themselves. crit is not better than mastery (again see my other posts) and i'd be happy to prove it for anyone who doesnt think so.
DravenCarey21 1 month ago
@DravenCarey21 I looked up Dravennwoye via armory, you managed to squeeze out an additional 23.5% mastery by reforging the way you did. Now take a 50k Death Coil Crit (this is me being generous) and take 23,5% of that which is 11750 dmg and then weigh it against crit which doubled that dmg... 11750 dmg (Mastery) vs 25k dmg (crit) Like i said before crit affects all your abilities and your pet dmg while mastery only alters your shadow dmg. These are just some of the factors i use to weigh the two
Jevagen 1 month ago
@Jevagen well lets actually look at this. my toon is now reforged in favor of mastery (i tested it and it does more dps by 400-1k over haste) HOWEVER before making that reforging difference i did some testing and took some screenshots. here is what i've got:
Death Coil Damage:
Non-Crit:10,029 min/12,001 average/16,867 max --- 83 / 96.5%
Crit: 20,962 min/23,160 average/25,133 max --- 3 / 3.5%
I had a total of 86 death coils, 3 of them crit. So take the 3 that crit and multiply it by
DravenCarey21 1 month ago
@DravenCarey21 the average damage of a critting death coil and divide that in half (to represent how much added damage it did). so 3 DC's x 23,160 = 69,480 (damge done ONLY BY CRITS) then divide that in half = 34,740 ADDED DAMAGE from it being a crit. now lets look at mastery. i had 86 Death Coils for a total of 1,066,542 damage. multiply that by the +% increase of damage i get from mastery (like you said its 23.5%). 1,066,542 x .235 = 250,637 BONUS damage from mastery.
DravenCarey21 1 month ago
@DravenCarey21 soooo looking at this would you rather have +34.7k damage or +250k damage. you're biggest mistake in choosing crit over mastery is that you neglect to acknowledge how little crit we have. you'd have at most upwards of 10% crit. that means 1 out of every 10 deach coils (or any abiliy) is projected to crit for you. so for every 100 DC's u have only 10 or so will crit (which means only 10 or so benefit from crit rating) as where all 100 will benefit from mastery.
DravenCarey21 1 month ago
@Draven If death coil were the only ability that we used then yes mastery would be superior but its the shadow dmg (blood plague, death coil, shadow portion of SS, DnD, Unholy blight) vs the crit dmg that affects all the previous abilities plus frost fever, melee dmg, pet melee dmg, and Festering strike. You also favored mastery and neglected crit which means your crit was low when you did that test and you're forgetting that raid buffs increase your crit significantly (%5 crit, Agi, Kings, etc)
Jevagen 1 month ago
@Jevagen the only reason i only discussed DC is because thats the ability you wanted to bring up. that aside, look at my origional posts about the first set of testing (when i had this stat priority: hit>exp>haste>mastery>crit) where my crit damage was only 5-6% of my damage total. it was incredibly marginal and meager.
DravenCarey21 1 month ago
@DravenCarey21 and the numbers i gave u from that second test (with the DC numbers) i used the same stat weights (not the way i have it now w/ mastery above haste) so there was no incredible stacking. that said raid buffs alone wont make up a deficit of over 200k damage.... (and thats just in 5 minutes)
DravenCarey21 1 month ago
@DravenCarey21 wtf is your point, this guy made a good guide. if you know it better make a guide yourself but leave Jevagen alone.
1994joris 1 month ago
@1994joris my point is this: the information he's giving out (about crit>mastery>exp) is false. he prolly heard it from someone else or read it on EJ and neglected to effectively analyze it and process the thought behind it. he then put that information into a guide that is sub-par at best. he showed us how well he can burst the dummy (thats impressive...) and a very quick overview of some of the minorest things about the class. i have a problem with that, especially when he cant back
DravenCarey21 1 month ago
@DravenCarey21 up his claims (about the stats) with a coherent arguement as where i most certainly can. as for making a guide, i already did, 5 months ago. its a two part guide that is far more comprehensive than this one. check it out if you want an actual guide, not an overview.
DravenCarey21 1 month ago
would be helpful if you spelled out the rotation, you were just smacking the dummy and did not explain it.
2235whatever 2 months ago
@2235whatever 4:53 I hope this helps you figure out the rotation :D
Jevagen 2 months ago 3
I find that Unholy was alot of fun to lvl up with but when I hit 85 I had to switch to frost to improve my DPS. But unholy will always hold a place in my heart.
navydoyle92 2 months ago
@navydoyle92 this guide was pretty well done and i dont mean to hijack it or anything but to get a better in depth look at rotation (and have me walk you through a 5 minute dps test with commentary) then check out my guide.
DravenCarey21 2 months ago
I'm only commenting because I did everything else he told me too.
26Karm 2 months ago
Hey everyone, For the Reforges use this Addon "Reforgenator" it's Really good for dps (Dps only) Goodluck =D!
Xzenock0343 2 months ago
Your voice.... Like audible chocolate..
tomatocanibal6847 2 months ago
Thanks this video helpt alot! keep the good jop up! (;
simonfriman 2 months ago
thanks man this vid helped me out alot keep posting man your doin great and thanks again
jknirr1981 2 months ago
What are the macro's you use? :)
ImFat2011 2 months ago
@ImFat2011 /castsequence reset=25 Outbreak, Essence of the Eternal Flame, Elementium Deathplate Gauntlets, Unholy Frenzy.... of course i had a trinket and i'm an engineer so not every dk has Essence of the eternal flame and elementium deathplate gauntlets w/ synapse strings, hope this helps :D
Jevagen 2 months ago
Thank you man, really helped!!! <3
ImFat2011 2 months ago
What spec is doing the most dps? Unh or Frost?
If frost what spec DW or 2hnd?
BLee1995 2 months ago
@BLee1995 It would appear that DW Frost Dps is doing the most damage up to the new 410 heroic gear
Jevagen 2 months ago
@BLee1995 Take into consideration that in raids there will be alot of movment from time to time and DW Frost Dps only leads in tank and spank fights imo
Jevagen 2 months ago
what addons you use ?? for see time
kenshiro720 2 months ago
@kenshiro720 OmniCC from curse.com
Jevagen 2 months ago
I got UH dk I did 38k dpsjng in end time last boss CD spamming XD + hour glass buff
MultiUnknowen 2 months ago
Ive been having alittle issues with my dps and im going to see if this helps out, which i hope it does. My main issue is that im broke since the bold rubies cost 300-400g ea TT.TT
Lezzik1 2 months ago
Ive done a bunch of reforging and gemming like this guide told me to. Ive got 6 expertise shud i try and bring that up?
CC4PA 2 months ago
@CC4PA If you've gemmed and reforged properly according to this guide and your expertise is only at 6 then i'm assuming you dont have the best gear. If you believe your gear is up to par and your expertise is that low then its okay because its last on our priority list, you will be fine :)
Jevagen 2 months ago
awesome guide broskii, Do u think u can make a guide for warrior tanks?
TheAnthony1173 2 months ago
cool
leetmanny 2 months ago
Nice! Glad to see some good dps outta unholy and the best way to do it!
Wildcatbball18 2 months ago
Whats the Macro u used?
godlyben2 2 months ago
@godlyben2 /castsequence reset=25 Outbreak, Essence of the Eternal Flame, Elementium Deathplate Gauntlets, Unholy Frenzy.... of course i had a trinket and i'm an engineer so not every dk has Essence of the eternal flame and elementium deathplate gauntlets w/ synapse strings, hope this helps :D
Jevagen 2 months ago
@Jevagen It helped in a way, im stuck at a 8k-12k dps, but i need to gem/enchant my gear (which im broke) haha but ur guide is nice i appreciate the upload!
godlyben2 2 months ago
I thought unholy was a dead spec and I wanted to bring it back. Thank for the awesome guide :D
Efari1992 2 months ago
Yo dude really nice guide it helped me a lot! :
I just wanna know, whats tha name of ur hands , boots and back enchant? Cant find it on ah.
Icey13100 2 months ago
@Icey13100 [Enchant Cloak - Greater Critical Strike], [Enchant Gloves - Mighty Strength], [Enchant Boots - Haste]
Jevagen 2 months ago
Nice guide ..just dont understand ...your unholy spec why the hell would you have a hungering cold glyph ? :P doesnt make sense ...any way nice guide
kootjex 2 months ago
Can You Post Up Some Of Your Recount Numbers? =D
OldSkool171 2 months ago
@OldSkool171 0:39 There ya go :D
Jevagen 2 months ago
Awesome guide! I loved your frost dk guild but now that buffed unholy I've changed to it
MrCbarrack 2 months ago
Awesome! >:D Sounds cool and all but do you think you could make a DW frost guide too please? I liked your Unholy dps, and I dont see many pull that off, but a frost guide please :D
oo18andy 2 months ago
@oo18andy Go to my channel and in my uploads i have a frost dk guide as well, its 4.2 but its practically the same as 4.3 except for the gems and maybe the wording.
Jevagen 2 months ago
@Jevagen - Ah ok yeah cool then, I copied the one in the link :).
Dadigster 2 months ago
@Jevagen - So we shouldn't use that spec on the link? I did ;(.
If not that spec can you tell us the correct spec?
Dadigster 2 months ago
@Dadigster Copy the spec from the link, do not copy the spec in the video :)
Jevagen 2 months ago
Thx for the video m8 i play blood dk and i dont have idea for unholy but ur video helped me alot !!!
Kyuubiscloak 2 months ago
awesome vid =)
Opupekito 2 months ago
very nice guide, clear and informative, you seem like you were reading off a script tho, which is good to get a point across but you have no flavor in it
besides that tiny detail, very good guide and ill be looking for more from you in the future
natem921 2 months ago
Arcane mage guide, go go. <3
KaitiexD 2 months ago
@KaitiexD spam 1
dscimforjack 2 months ago
Can you explain why in the world you have 2 points in Blade Barrier and not Butchery...?
Raylol90 2 months ago
@Raylol90 The link in the description box leads you to the spec and glyphs i recommend, as for my personal glyphs/spec... i was testing some things out and i havent changed all the glyphs yet. Again this is not the spec you should use, i only recommend the spec/glyphs from the link in the description box
Jevagen 2 months ago
Nitpicking: +50 str gems? | wording on meta has changed and its now +3% critical 'effect' | 2% max hp, not 20% (that would be ridiculous).
Otherwise great job although I'd rather see some raiding going on while you're explaining instead of just looking at your toon doing nothing.
openaccessuser 2 months ago
@openaccessuser( Incites a friendly party or raid member into a killing frenzy for 30 sec. The target is Enraged, increasing their melee and ranged haste by 20%, but causes them to lose health equal to 2% of their maximum health every 3 sec. ) 2% of your maximum health every 3 sec for the next 30 sec adds up to 20% of your max health lost, and thanks for the constructive criticism about what you would like to see when watching these vids and about the wording on the meta gem.
Jevagen 2 months ago
Very nice m8! :D
CaptainTeargas 2 months ago
omg man very nice video keep making new vides :)!
pele569 2 months ago
Very informative guide.
I've been frost since... forever. But with this video in my arsenal i can atleast try what it feels like to be unholy :>
Berusadeankan 2 months ago