@Believia You can not create or destroy energy. 100% of the electric energy used in converted to heat, either directly using resistance (space heater), or round about by make hydrogen and burning that. Either way, they're both exactly 100% efficient.
Contemplating how it might be possible to make hydrogen for less is pointless because that is not possible.
Again, you can not create or destroy energy, only convert its form, which in the case of heating, all ends up as heat.
@a1mint Not really pointless, I have a wind turbine used to make hydrogen it works when wind blows but not when I need it. Storing the hydrogen is just like charging a battery, but with out the chemicals so it has som merit even though its not the most efficent way of doing things
@TheJimmax You're talking about something different, and something that could be really useful. If you'd had an efficient and safe method of storing hydrogen you could very much use the energy from wind (which indirectly is solar energy, really), and convert that to hydrogen. The resulting hydrogen can be used to heat the house. The cool thing about burning hydrogen is that you do not need an exhaust because there are no dangerous gasses that result from burning it.
@a1mint I am pushing to make this heard right now. It is allready here, metal hydride tanks exist and will come down in price, like every thing else, as demand grows. They only require a small amount of pressure to fill and hold a relitively huge amount of hydrogen. This is the fuel of the future and it is here right now. We need to make more noise!
@TheJimmax Not so fast. I wouldn't call hydrogen "fuel". It is an energy carrier, not an energy source. I was talking about using wind energy to make hydrogen and burning that hydrogen inside a house for heating. I was not talking about cars.
About cars, there is another problem. An ICE is inefficient. You want to use a fuel cell to convert hydrogen to electricity and run an electric motor on it.
@a1mint No that is not what i had in mind. The wankel engine will run with hydrogen with little modification( see mazda hydrogen) and bmw ran a piston engine with hydrogen but im not sure how they pulled that one off (bmw hydrogen).I agree its not the most efficent method but its clean and its affordable but fuel cell cars are out of my price range and dont seem to be getting pushed forward.
@TheJimmax A wankel motor is also an ICE. Both are still inefficient. Running ICE on hydrogen is not the future. Electric motors are amazingly efficient.
Hydrogen ICE based cars are also out of your price range, because you don't have a hydrogen storage system.
@a1mintYes im aware that the wankel engine is also internal combustion but it does'nt suffer from overheating like the piston engine. The only storage required is the metal hydride tanks on board the car. They are refilled by on demand production and the fuel cell car is out of my price range because they cost about £100 000. Do you work for an oil company or are you just struggling to grasp this simple concept?
@TheJimmax Heat development wise, a wankel engine is not much different from a piston based engine at all. There is no "overheating" - there are the cooling systems for that - and both require this just the same.
I'm not clear on how you are suggesting that hydrogen tanks get their hydrogen supply from.
Huh? "oil company"? You think that people from oil companies come online here and talk to you? That's really weird.
@a1mint Hydrogen melts pistons. Wankel engines dont seem to be affected. Dont ask me why do some research! Water pressure to the electrolyser fills the low pressure hydride tanks. Once again do some research. No I dont really think you work for an oil co. you dont seem that smart.
@TheJimmax No hydrogen does not melt pistons. A hydrogen blow torch *can* melt metal, but under the conditions in an ICE, hydrogen will not melt pistons.
You wouldn't recognize research from a hole in the ground.
We'll leave the judgment as to how is "smart" to others. I'm not worried for a split second.
@a1mintOh dear I seem to have bruised your ego.Its common knowlage that piston engines dont work well with hydrogen but if you want to keep your blinkers on I guess their is no point in trying to educate you any farther. Enjoy your igrorance and have a nice christmas.
very cool but thats going to be way too complicated for the the majority of people to replicate. We need to focus on smaller and simpler designs. Nice build though, probably expensive as hell.
Great concept. Simple & effective. Think for yourself.
georgehenryify 4 months ago
Trying to make a heater by converting electricity to hydrogen and then burning that hydrogen is a completely pointless exercise.
The natural law of the conservation of energy states that you can not create or destroy energy, only convert its form.
A $20 Walmart space heater converts exactly 100% of the electricity it uses to heat.
ANY heating device that runs on electricity is exactly 100% efficient.
Converting electricity to hydrogen and burning that is also exactly 100% efficient.
a1mint 5 months ago 6
@a1mint ... Combustion energy of H is 39.8 kWh/kg. What if you can get 1kg of H using less than those kWh ?
Believia 5 months ago
@Believia You can not create or destroy energy. 100% of the electric energy used in converted to heat, either directly using resistance (space heater), or round about by make hydrogen and burning that. Either way, they're both exactly 100% efficient.
Contemplating how it might be possible to make hydrogen for less is pointless because that is not possible.
Again, you can not create or destroy energy, only convert its form, which in the case of heating, all ends up as heat.
a1mint 5 months ago
@a1mint Not really pointless, I have a wind turbine used to make hydrogen it works when wind blows but not when I need it. Storing the hydrogen is just like charging a battery, but with out the chemicals so it has som merit even though its not the most efficent way of doing things
TheJimmax 2 months ago
@TheJimmax You're talking about something different, and something that could be really useful. If you'd had an efficient and safe method of storing hydrogen you could very much use the energy from wind (which indirectly is solar energy, really), and convert that to hydrogen. The resulting hydrogen can be used to heat the house. The cool thing about burning hydrogen is that you do not need an exhaust because there are no dangerous gasses that result from burning it.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint I am pushing to make this heard right now. It is allready here, metal hydride tanks exist and will come down in price, like every thing else, as demand grows. They only require a small amount of pressure to fill and hold a relitively huge amount of hydrogen. This is the fuel of the future and it is here right now. We need to make more noise!
TheJimmax 2 months ago
@TheJimmax Not so fast. I wouldn't call hydrogen "fuel". It is an energy carrier, not an energy source. I was talking about using wind energy to make hydrogen and burning that hydrogen inside a house for heating. I was not talking about cars.
About cars, there is another problem. An ICE is inefficient. You want to use a fuel cell to convert hydrogen to electricity and run an electric motor on it.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint No that is not what i had in mind. The wankel engine will run with hydrogen with little modification( see mazda hydrogen) and bmw ran a piston engine with hydrogen but im not sure how they pulled that one off (bmw hydrogen).I agree its not the most efficent method but its clean and its affordable but fuel cell cars are out of my price range and dont seem to be getting pushed forward.
TheJimmax 2 months ago
@TheJimmax A wankel motor is also an ICE. Both are still inefficient. Running ICE on hydrogen is not the future. Electric motors are amazingly efficient.
Hydrogen ICE based cars are also out of your price range, because you don't have a hydrogen storage system.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mintYes im aware that the wankel engine is also internal combustion but it does'nt suffer from overheating like the piston engine. The only storage required is the metal hydride tanks on board the car. They are refilled by on demand production and the fuel cell car is out of my price range because they cost about £100 000. Do you work for an oil company or are you just struggling to grasp this simple concept?
TheJimmax 2 months ago
@TheJimmax Heat development wise, a wankel engine is not much different from a piston based engine at all. There is no "overheating" - there are the cooling systems for that - and both require this just the same.
I'm not clear on how you are suggesting that hydrogen tanks get their hydrogen supply from.
Huh? "oil company"? You think that people from oil companies come online here and talk to you? That's really weird.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Hydrogen melts pistons. Wankel engines dont seem to be affected. Dont ask me why do some research! Water pressure to the electrolyser fills the low pressure hydride tanks. Once again do some research. No I dont really think you work for an oil co. you dont seem that smart.
TheJimmax 2 months ago
@TheJimmax No hydrogen does not melt pistons. A hydrogen blow torch *can* melt metal, but under the conditions in an ICE, hydrogen will not melt pistons.
You wouldn't recognize research from a hole in the ground.
We'll leave the judgment as to how is "smart" to others. I'm not worried for a split second.
a1mint 2 months ago 3
@a1mintOh dear I seem to have bruised your ego.Its common knowlage that piston engines dont work well with hydrogen but if you want to keep your blinkers on I guess their is no point in trying to educate you any farther. Enjoy your igrorance and have a nice christmas.
TheJimmax 2 months ago
@TheJimmax The judgment of who is ignorant here, is for others to decide. I'm not worried for a split second.
HHO heaters, lmao...
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hhoheaterplans 6 months ago
very cool but thats going to be way too complicated for the the majority of people to replicate. We need to focus on smaller and simpler designs. Nice build though, probably expensive as hell.
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