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  • Andrew is such a shit drummer

  • Why does it look like a white man is playing the bass?

  • @lamb0fg0d901 Check the date of the video; This was recorded while Tim was still in the band.

  • @lamb0fg0d901 wow...did you really just ask that question?? it TIM WARD!! The ORIGINAL bassist.

  • This is the best version of this song anywhere. Ever. Better than anytime I saw them part it. It's probably because thom was not yet a superfag

  • ohmygod this should have been the studio version.

  • @DemonInJerseyCity...... I dont know man. i disagree, i dont think they have a "best" album, cuz i mean think about it, your not going to listen to doppleganger to get your manipulator fix. every album is great in its own way.

  • This early version was so good. It sounds like it would fit in with the ghostships perfectly. Album version is well, not as good. I miss TFOT.

  • @DemonInJerseyCity the album has grown on me a lot, being an orig. tfot fan. Just two songs I really don't care for but the rest is pretty darn good technically.

  • i get the chill at 1:44.

  • @thatboyzee ITUE Sounds great

  • FUCKING WOW, this is WAY better than the studio version... it's so dirty and gritty and FAST

  • fall of troy went downhill since tim left, now they are broken up, sad.

  • haha dude i was at this show.

    i had no idea who they were

    and he jumped off stage after this song

    and jumped onto me while i was crowd surfing.

    i have loved him every since. <3

    keep it awesome guys.

  • Why is tim on stage.. lol?

  • Best version. Best vid. Props to whomever threw this one up!

  • That is Tim. Crazy. I didn't know this song was that old. The lyrics and vocals in the bridge are different too.

  • @pushherinthesnow Yeah they might have been writing it since manipulator idk..

  • @DemonInJerseyCity ya...you're actually so wrong. fuck off.

  • you are entitled to your opinion but i regret to inform you it is wrong.

  • is that tim?

  • This is where it is. Rest in peace Battleship Graveyard, or the good Battleship Graveyard at least.

  • i really like elements from both THIS and the bumbershoot version. i like the extended version from bumbershoot and some of the lyrical changes, but i LOVE the tempo and the guitar solo towards the end (3:24) in this version WAY better. i really wish thats how they recorded it.

  • my favorite version was the Bummershoot version. so amazing

  • i stil cant get over the fact tht he sings over tht riff at 2:17 and this version is pretty faster. it seems everyone lieks their shit sped up and more hardcore so wenever any of u guys meets thomas make sure to tell him u like it fast and hard :D

  • i know i do lol. do u like it better this way or the cd version?

  • um i never realy heard the live versions too much i tried to wait for the cd but i think i wud have prefered slightly faster version of the song on the cd. and i also didnt like single and nobodys perfect on the album but i liked the album.

  • yea i wish it was faster on the cd but i loved single and nobody's perfect live, but thought all three songs were nerfed on the album...

  • yea idk wats nerfed lol. i just wish for single they kept the breakdown and the little delay part. tht made the song for me and for nobodys perfect the riff at like 1 minute they put this realy gay effect on it in the album version reallly fucked it up. thomas sounds better raww like self titled. the most they shud do his fix any dead notes or like fuckd up parts in his voice other than tht leave it as it is

  • nerfed means they basically lost the effect of the song, (comparison of a real football to a nerf football is kinda where the term came from). And yea I agree about every part you said. The breakdown for Single was awesome and I hate the freaking ending of Nobody's Perfect because of the freaking backing vocals in the song ugh they fucked them up big time

  • yea i agree but i hate the first half of nobodys perfect even more than the second half on the cd but dont get me wrong tfot is my fav band and i love every album they have done includin this one. yes even phantom even though most people bitch bout tht one. i love phantom cuz i heard it before ghostships but ghostship part 4 owns hard. its just in previous albums it was more raw even manipulator....and people thought there was too many effects on that... they must have been shocked by ITUE haha

  • yea the rawness of TFOT were taken out in place of a more refined sound, which is not what they should have done. I think they might have thought about making their cd more picture perfect and more commercial than their other cds, which changed their tone completely. And i love Phantom and Manipulator is one of my favorite CDs of all time. It took me a while to like it but after a while i loved it

  • wel i got into tfot late. like last year i was 18 so yea. also i used to mostly listen to punk rock like sum 41 blink 182 and wen i heard of tfot it sounded like mostly noise to me but like eventualy i started lovin it and slowly i found songs like mouths liek sidewinder missiles and act one scene one and sledgehammer and got hooked and stuff. i wonder how people who just heard of the new album but not their old stuff react to tfot : / must be shocked to go back and find songs like tom waits ha

  • i also have to say i think this album proves tfot can make any type of songs and dats great cuz i love them mainly for versatility they have all the differnt types of songs i need. im hopin their next album is more hardcore like older ones though stil a great album.

  • yea this is tim, this is a couple days before he left the band. frank knew he was joining the tour right after tim's departure, it's still possible that frank helped write this song with them. has anyone listened to frank's old band? ...of stalwart fads? pretty decent.. kind of want to hear more of their shit.

  • is that tim?

  • I'm very confused on what's going on. if I'm correct Frank helped write and recorded battle ship graveyard. what is Tim doing there?

  • wrong =)

  • TIM?!?!?!?!

  • holy shit its tim

  • Is that....TIM????????

  • this song is the shit

    the best part is "...your gonna get yourself..."

  • this song is the shit.

  • anyone knowhow the old lyrics go?

  • weird to see how the lyrics have changed

  • i remember this was the first time seeing them, mainly went for coheed, but now i saw them 3 times, including last night! :D

  • i bought tickets for a coheed and cambria concert and saw the opening bands for them were the fall of troy, and clutch. i listened to the fall of troy and thought it was awesome, then when i saw them live, they stole the show, (at least for me. most coheed fans didn't seem to like them). now they are my favorite band of all time.

    thanks coheed and cambria

  • yeah they really stole the show on the Thursday tour.

  • i thought it was their tour with thursday touring with them, or that it wsa at least mutual.

  • oh shit tim

  • listen to how that guitar spits out notes, the listen to the album version -________-

  • I remember that night. AMAZING concert. And IMO I love this version better. More sped up and action packed. Still love the album version though. Damn... this video still gives me chills ever time I see it. I'll never forget this night... or telling Thomas after the show that I almost came. Lol. Cheers. <3 TFOT

  • ive seen this vid so many times. i fucking adore this version a lot more than the album one. they should like... redo all the songs ..played faster:) theyd be so much better. and more intense.

  • R.I.P 3:25 - 3:43 :(

  • i totally understand that.

  • It sounds so much better here, oh my god.

  • completely agree...the pace is slower on the album and the edge of the song was somehow lost!! and that explosion at 1:57...gone on the album! the screams almost all replaced by singing....the end is different too...the way the new album is recorded sounds amateur and that's no excuse for a band as good as tfot

  • actually...i retract what i said about it sounding amateur...the vocals are just not recorded well - tom sounds like he's straining a lot and he's flat in many places, i actually like the album still haha

  • i uploaded a faster version on youtube. its in my videos, go check it out

  • It's called real singing. At least he isn't using Auto-Tune. Be thankful man.

  • i know he can sing and i really like tom's voice. it's good he can change it up here and there but i felt like it could have been better. he sounds tired, like he did too many takes or maybe not enough...some of the harmonies are just flat and off, it bothers me that's all, they're still an amazing band, so i am thankful. man.

  • i like this version of the song better than the one they put on the album.

  • people here to get there facts straight before posting...TFOT are the nut this is old sure, but tom has songs that he wrote a decade ago and still hasnt worked into an album, the guys been spewing music out for an AGE, and for those of you who cant tell the difference between Frank and Tim Ward...im afraid its a big fat middle finger for you, cretins..... the NEW, new album (you know what im talking about, if you dont then fuck off) SHOULD....and i mean SHOULD kick arse...Lets hope fellow

  • It does indeed

  • tom has only been playing for about 9 years... so i dont think he has shit he wrote a decade ago. that doesnt make sense

  • Thom hasn't even been playing guitar for a decade so I doubt he wrote songs before he started playing guitar.

  • frank has had the michael jackson treatment.

  • whos playing bass???? thats not frank lol

  • look at the day it was put on youtube.

  • The person that took the soul of TFOT with him, Tim.

  • You're not fucking serious, right? Please tell me you're not being serious.

  • You ignorant fuck

  • Note the description box where it notes that the video was posted: September 27, 2007

    ;D

  • I mean November 16th >.>

  • ...The Apocalypse is coming....

  • This is '07

    WHAT THE FUCK IS TAKING THEM SO LONG?!?

  • it's out bro. chill. you posted this a day ago? really? we knew the release date at least a month ago.

  • studio version sounds waaaay slower. :(

  • im gona take my big mexican hairy dick and shove it in the ass of thomas erak. im gona make a video of me doing it. and fall of troys new hit song is gona be eraks screams of pain and asshole rippage, it will sound better then all of their other songs im sure.

  • Yeah I think it should come either a day earlier or the day of.

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  • The studio version has a different ending, its like 45 seconds or so longer.

    its amazing :)

  • You spolit it for us Dain :'(

  • youv heard it? D: has it leaked yet?

  • Noo, im kinda friends with Thomas, and he showed me the first 3 tracks on the record

    Straight Jacket is great too :)

  • ayy shithead learn to fuckin spell be4 talkin shit

    i dont see ur fuckin ass up there puttin up records

    y r u gonna talk shit for? wow

  • This is the best version of this song, and whatever he used this day is what better be on the cd. I mean it! Because I ordered the deluxe edition with a t shirt! And the damn shipping was damn near 7 bones!!! =/

  • yeah i like this version the best too.

  • hey i order it too

    do you knwo when ill i will get it??

    i heard it will come a day earlier after the album comes out :/

  • i think mosh pits should be banned. it just ruins the experience for musicians in the audience

  • i don't think mosh pits should be banned, but the act of hurting someone should. just pushin people around is fine, but when people act stupid and start throwing punches it becomes unenjoyable.

  • Moshing is part of the experience when u see a live band! but i guess thats also just opinion bassed. i like it anyway.

  • Their live shows kick ass!!!! OCT 22 BITCHES!!!!!!

  • it comes out the sixth. but since im so close to albany, ny, i get it the first =]

  • October 23rd :D

  • OCTOBER 6TH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • dude I know when the album comes out >.> I'm seeing them on the 26th...

  • sorry dude i meant i was pumped for the day the cd comes out

  • Don't fret it man its ok L)

  • I tried to cover it but theres a difference between this vid and the newer ones :(.

    Reminds me of Whacko Jacko for some reason.

  • exactly the same comment i was thinking of on whacko jacko...weird

  • i love the explosion at 1:57

    its like the fucking orgasm of the song

    or should i say, the eargasm

    like, an explosion of sex, inside your ears

    god damn

    October 5th and 6th will be amazing days

  • i cant handle it anymore

    come out you damn album

  • the transition at 3:05 is fucking GODLIKE. i can't explain in words.

  • Dude, try the transition at fucking 2:18

    Now THAT'S GODLY!

  • i agree. they are BOTH godly!

  • I think this song and breakdown might be my favorite song by them, that I heard

  • This is the old version, the new one he sings a lot more. This ones way better

  • holy fuck, look at tim @ 1:55

    he's REALLY into it. look at that spit!

    i think he rocked out on this song, because it's heavy at that part, sounds like good ol tfot, when shit was heavy.

  • I'm pretty sure one of the reasons tim left because he wanted to do more shit like this. not those gay fucking ballads thom's been writing. I kinda like them though :x

  • Wow. I can't believe that was in '07. :'( Times keep going and I keep getting older. Still was the best night of my life to this date.

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  • sort of...this is the only song he will have contributed to, but frank is the one who will be recorded for the album

  • Yeah cause i heard him say in an interview i saw on here that frank was gonna be in the whole album or somethin. I thought frank helped with it all though.

  • one or two at the most

  • my friends just compared them to protest the hero. he needs to go jump off a cliff

  • both are amazing, and, in fact, Rody from PTH has a guest vox appearance on TFOTs new album

  • unfortunately, i can't stand his godawful whining. His screams are nice though, cleans are insufferable though. My opinion not yours.

  • anyone know where can i download this song?

    pls, anyone?

  • you could rip the audio from this vid.

  • but the sound kinda bad

    any idea?

  • your best bet is to rip the audio from one of the vids off youtube. i think this vid has the best recording on youtube, but unfortunately not the best audio.

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  • Are you kidding? This is their best yet.

  • i finally did a small cover of this

    tell me what you think anyone?

    its in the video responses

  • Thanks to me :P

  • Frank is a damn good singer too...like in his old band ...of stalwart fads, he has some pipes dude, and he can use them.

  • And i'm not talking specifically about this video, i'm talking about overall when i saw them in 2006 and when i saw them in 2007 there was a huge difference in TIm.

  • I can't wait to hear how this sounds on record.

  • Me and My Other Youtube Friend Have tabbed this out :)

  • can you send me a tab? that would be awesome!

  • MOST EPIC SONG!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 2:18 - fucking EPIC

  • haha see the smoke come out of tims mouth at 1:22

  • Hell even in this video Tim just sort of stands there, like he's not even in to it at all!!!

  • There's no Tim in this video

  • wtf are you talking about? Tim is all over the place and even head banging in this video. Damn you Frank Black fanboys get annoying in these retarded youtube comments. Go Tim.

  • im with TIM wards too<333

    his skill are jusr so amazing better than frank xO!!

  • Tim was amazing, but Frank is a great addition to the band.

  • Dude, this isn't the TIm i saw play twice, he wasn't that in to it...and i dont care what anyone says; Tim is a rad dude, but Frank rips way harder, and that is a fact.

  • the hell, he's headbanging

  • Yeah dude in this video. I made a mistake. But i'm just saying it was his time to go. He couldnt handle it, and we all love him but, he lost the spark.

  • Was Tim more into it in 06, or 07?

  • frank is far better at playing bass though

  • I agree.

  • i dont think so. Tim's basslines on manipulator are better than anything ive hard from frank. yes frank is good but he isnt FAR better than tim. his stuff fits better with toms guitar playing.

  • Thomas writes all the bass lines. You lose. (Although I like Tim's screams better.)

  • thomas told you he wrote all the basslines?

  • No. An interview with Thomas on Ultimate Guitar told me. ;D

  • LOL PWNED.

  • tim's screams are indeed better. frank has the potential, but his lion roars are not up to a fight against tim's shrieks.

  • rock star is a fuck head i know him

  • 3:05-3:45 is sooo fuckin epic!

  • oh fuck yes, the transition into that riff is goddamn epic, it makes me cry in happiness for the new album

  • ha wow

    you must be high

    there guitarist cant even compare to the greatness of thomas

  • lol

  • I've worked out the intro on guitar ^^

    T'is really easy

  • if you tab it

    or make a video of it

    or send tabs to me

    i shall love you forever!!

  • I've also worked out the breakdown that starts at 1:22

  • i've worked out everything until 3:05

  • this song is fuckwin

  • whats the new album gonna be called?

  • i don't think anybody knows, i bet the fall of troy dont even know, chances are they'll name it one of their weird/ unique little sayings at the last minute

  • the title "jus soli" is being thrown around a lot on their myspace, thomas replied back to the kid suggesting the name saying its a possibility.

  • I was thinking Vicissitude would be a sick album name. It means....

    One of the unexpected changes or shifts encountered in one's life.

    Epic.

  • 01:56 to 02:14

  • this is the cooooolest song ever. i think its my new favorite :)

  • their next album is gonna be unbelievable!!!

  • this song is probably gonna be worse on the album. they've changed

  • yes, because everyone must remain static, and all change is bad.

    but hey, you could be correct, who knows.

    I just cant wait to find out.

  • omg fav tfot song!

  • Lol this song is gonna be bigger than FCP!

  • oh my god

    i seriosly cant get over how sick this song is gonna be

    i am soooo fucking stoked out of my mind

  • TIM! <3 *single tear*

  • i know i miss him too u__u