Wellington had the better ground with two fortified positions guarding his flanks. On an even ground I think it would have been a different story. Reminds me of Lee at Gettysburg. The Feds had the high ground on seminary ridge with both flanks anchored on easily defended ground. One being devils den.
@horseman528 See, that's kind of pointless. No man in the world had more respect for Napoleon's abilities than Wellington and Wellington was not prepared to face Napeleon - ever - without an advantage. A battle between Napoleon and Wellington was never going to be fought on even ground because Wellington was never going to engage on such a battlefield, he'd only ever engage on a field that suited him. That's one of the reasons why Napoleon failed at Waterloo - because Wellington chose the field.
Just gotta love the movie for all the action, and the site of such masses like the Guard on the move is stirring, especially to the music...gets ya kinda pumped eh?
Grouchy basically lost the prussians in the woods by going the wrong way, winding up behind them instead in front of them, between them & waterloo. It was a battle of many tactical , fatalistic errors. if napoleon wouldv'e had more marshals there, such as the best one , Davout, and Murat the cavalry king, as well as Mortier, i truly beleive history wouldda been different.
@northpoint43m " It was a battle of many tactical , fatalistic errors. if napoleon wouldv'e had more marshals there, such as the best one , Davout, and Murat the cavalry king, as well as Mortier, i truly beleive history wouldda been different."
Possibly, but it might have been even better if Napoleon hadn't been there. At Waterloo the Emperor seemed to have trusted a little too much to luck and not enough to the advice of his senior officers.
Ney was a Hussar in the cavalry before becoming a Marshal, and his Corps at Quatre Bras did quite well...if he had sufficient reinforcements he had wellington beaten, at least stalemated while Napoleon dealt with the Prussians, & his corps was integrated in army at waterloo, acting for emperor" while in most battles, and seeing wellingtons army 'withdraw" away from cannon fire to behind the ridge, mistakenly viewed it as a retreat, and cavalry usually was used to "rout" retreating armies.
Nap was not short! In it is believed that he was short due to british propaganda. He was 5'7 which was quite tall for men in those times. Long live the Queen.
If true, Napoleon's worst fear an enemy was mother nature. With the terrain muddy due to rain, it made it difficult for his army to fight more effectively.
@haynes1776 "If true, Napoleon's worst fear an enemy was mother nature."
She certainly wasn't on his side. His superiority in cannon was negated becauses the balls couldn't bounce in the mud, and the ground was so wet that the night before the battle many of the French didn't get the chance to sit down letone sleep.
@oarfrost Another if is what if Napoleon has his men attack earlier than later but this would had been worse for the French. What Napoleon could had done was ordered the old and middle guards forward when Wellington was so pressed earlier. Or an attack on the right flank much more further he should had moved Reille's corps while Jerome's was attacking Hugomont. Move Reiller past Hugomont far on the British right flank with support of artillery and Kellerman's cavalry.
@1Historygenius There are a lot of "what ifs" that are fun to speculate on. My favourite is what if the Kings German Legion had some firewood on the night before the battle. Then they wouldn't have had to burn the gates of Haye Sainte and would have been able fortify the place properly, which would have meant that the initial assualt by the French line regiments would have been rebuffed with much greater lose than actually happened. Napoleon would then have realised that there was no point in...
@oarfrost trusting to Donzelot's troops and would have had to send in the Imperial Guard. At 1 pm the Prussians weren't yet in a position so the emperor could have flung his entire reserve into the attack, driven through Wellington's centre, caught Von Bulow's IV Corps (which was spread out over six miles) on the march and would have ended up drinking draught Stella in Brussels by nightfall
@oarfrost To me the only thing stopping Napoleon from winning a victory hear when you come to think of it is his sickness( Maybe Bluchers Prussians as a second reason to stop him). The reason why I say maybe is the fact that Napoleon could had won an easy victory if he was not sick so much. He still could had won by making may simultanous attacks at different places at the ridge Wellington was at with combined light artillery, infantry, and cavalry combined corps and attack.
@1Historygenius "Some people say Ney was in cahrge the French could win this battle the question is couldNey had done better than Napoleon?"
By the morning of 18th June I reckon that anyone could have done better than Napoleon. He seemed to have been trusting almost entirely to luck and his own happy fantasies, not the least of which was that all Grouchy had to do was look fierce and a Prussian army three times his size would promptly run away.
@oarfrost Some people say Napoleon should had never ordered Grouchy toleave with 30,000 troops to chase the Prussians Grouchy corps would had been large help.
@1Historygenius "Some people say Napoleon should had never ordered Grouchy toleave with 30,000 troops to chase the Prussians Grouchy corps would had been large help."
They might have a point. You mentioned his health earlier, Painkillers in the 1800s were mostly opium derivatives and there is a case to be made for Napoleon being zonked out of his head for much of the campaign. He had fought Blucher before and knew that old Marshal Forwards wasn't going to run away, but somehow he ....
@oarfrost ..managed to persuade himself that Grouchy's relatively small force was going to put the Prussians to flight. Then he allowed himself to believe that Wellington, the master of defensive warfare, could be brushed of the Sainte Jean ridge by fighting the battle on the Duke's terms.
1Historygenius, this is fun, but I have to go to bed. Goodnight.
@oarfrost Lets face it Napoleon was cocky he had never fought Wellington before he had never really fought the British before except in maybe one battle I had read. Napoleon could had won if he went up the ridge however heavy cassualties would had been caused if he did almost every attack at the same time. Jerome hits Hugomont, D'Erlon hit center left, Imperial Guard hit center west, Donzelot hit La Haye Sainte, Possibly Lobau in reserve and cavalry with Ney as back up with light artillery.
@1Historygenius Well, Ney may have been the "bravest of the brave", as he was called But his blunder at Waterloo by ordering the French calvary to attack Wellington's center, believing that he was retreating, when he was ordering his troops to form infantry squares to repel the French calvary:Well he was not the smartest of the smart by doing that. No infantry or artilery supported them. Very costly blunder on Ney's part.
@haynes1776 That is the problem with Ney the British were not even routing they were moving back in an organized fashion. Why would Ney think that his cavalry could break an organized retreat the allies could easily form square and after this British artillerymen moved to their cannons and fired at the French. but why so many charges there was not just ne but many what was Ney thinking and if he was in command what would his plans be other than Napoleon's.
@1Historygenius And how the French calvary were able to inflict casualties on the british infantry squares with their sabers is another thing. All they could do is taunt,threaten. didnt they have small pistols with them?
@haynes1776 They did have small pistols but back then it was one shot and hope for a kill. The French lancers were one thing but the curissaires with their sabers is another you cannot reach all they did was ride around in confusion as British men in there squares fired a volley at their first encounter then fire at will. One young british soldier said a curissare's horse was shot and the French curissare landed right in front of him. This middle aged Frenchman took a bayonet and stabbed himself
@1Historygenius "They did have small pistols but back then it was one shot and hope for a kill. "
That is right and It led to some odd situations. The British infantry were under orders not to fire unless confronted by a mass of enemy horsemen charging straight at them. On the other hand the French cavalry's pistols and carbines were even less accurate than the British muskets. So a few brave horsemen would edge forward, take aim, fire and miss and in return recieve nothing more lethal from ..
@oarfrost Ney who was among his men fought bravely but really all they did was wave swords and lances around to look scary. Once the cavalry came up the ridge the British squares in front fired a volley but after there was no morre organized firing the British and allied troops just fired at they pleased. Ney lost three horses in this battle never to be shot himself hbe must had been the luckiest French soldier during the charge.
@1Historygenius I must say that its great talking to you about the Napoleonic wars. Its another part of history that I have a big interest in for I admire Napoleon for he was one of the greatest military minds in history.
@haynes1776 " I admire Napoleon for he was one of the greatest military minds in history."
That is true enough but by 1815 that mind was getting a bit raddled. If he had beaten Wellington and then fettled Blucher, Napoleon would had about ten minutes to get his haemorrhoids treated before a third of a million Austrians and Russians hove into view. After more than two decades of war the one thing the other European leaders were agreed upon was that Napoleon had to go.
@1Historygenius "Ney lost three horses in this battle never to be shot himself hbe must had been the luckiest French soldier during the charge."
That raises an interesting point. The British were firing at the French horses because they weren't sure that their musket balls would penetrate the cavalry's breastplates. As a result the French must have lost a lot of horses and they didn't have much in the way of replacements. So if the French had broken through the allied lines and and forced
@oarfrost Wellington to retreat, Napoleon would not have had the dragoons and such to harry the British and stop them reforming. So if he had been forced to fall back, Wellington may just have disappeared into the night, found another ridge, reformed and waited for Blucher who would have been behind the French.
Alternatively, after days of marching in rain that was so bad that they could not even sit down let alone sleep, both sides might just have called it quits and gone to bed.
@oarfrost Exactly when you loose horses you do not have the power the charge started with. The French cavalry thought the British were retreating they came over the ridge suprised to find them in squares just then the British officer give the order to fire at the horses. French horses fall the French cavalrymen are confused the ones on their horses just try to look threating waving weapons or firing their pistols. The men that lost their horses charge the British sqaures only to be shot others
@oarfrost try to escape the field only to be shot by themselves. Finally the French retreat British artillerymen renturn to their cannons and fire back at the cavalry. Ney orders his own bombardment without Napoleon's orders then orders his cavalry to charge again each time French cavalry full back the French bombardment destroys the British squares and again another charge but the British bravely hold their ground while Wellington in between charges tells his troops to stand firm while
@1Historygenius "Napoleon is outraged at Ney w\once he comes back on the field."
Poor old Ney got a rotten press. He wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box, but, apart from the cavalry charges that Napoleon did nothing to stop, the emperor kept him on a pretty tight lease.
@oarfrost Actually Napoleon did order a cavalry charge. Ney sent in his 5,000 cavalry in in those series of charges the last charge however was by Napoleon he ordered the only remaning cavalry reserves under Kellerman 9,000 men to join in a last charge. The reason: He thought the repulse of Ney charge may panic the army. So now Kellerman joins Ney the entire 14,000 cavalry force filled the whole space between Hugomont and La Haye Sainte but this was assisted by just one light artillery battery.
@oarfrost This has me really torn and Napolen also probrably. It seems to me that Napoleon was angry but he could not undo what Ney did instead he ordered a last cavalry charge with all cavarly reserves in order to raise morale of his army but this would also just lead to a retreat. If I were him I would send in all cavalry and the old and middle guards early while also sending the young guard to stop the Prussians like he did later I do not know why Napoleon did not do that.
@1Historygenius that is why you will never be a general. you obviously got no idea how to run an army, and don't even act like you do. napoleon should have weakened the british and retreated before the prussians came, by which time he'd had have more reinforcements which were being recruited daily. but nice to know you live to my name. i have dealt with you on other videos acting like a three year old. now either you will take this as a victory or mourn like you say you do every three months.
@ultradumbass You do dont understand that time is not on Napoleon's side the British, Prussians, Russians, and Austrians. He had to stop the British and Prussians but remember the Russians and Austrians are coming in time. Seriously the British were spread and weak a series of attacks on the ridge with a combo of cavalry, infantry, and light artillery in corps at different ares of the ridge at the same time would stop them in short term your plan sounds good but remember 4 enemies coming.....
@ultradumbass .... and because time is of the essence you need to worry about those 4 enemies coming mean you need something quick and decisive something you do not understand and because of your such disgusted plan I will be dammned if I will lose to you at this one. Round1 done next round will come if you reply.
@oarfrost after grouchy and ney did not send their whole army in time, napoleon saw the prussian's from 8 miles. in military terms 8 miles is still a few hours, so those few hours may have given him him to fall back at night, refreshing his army, and likely grouchy's army would have arrived sometime in the night to better fight two armies. though he should also have tried helping murat's rebellion in italy despite being mad at murat since it would have given him more troops as well.
@ultradumbass "after grouchy and ney did not send their whole army in time,"
Actually, Ney didn't have an army to send. He was just Napoleon's second in command at Waterloo.
"he should also have tried helping murat's rebellion in italy"
Murat was on the run a month before Waterloo. If Grouchy had set off to help him he might have arrived in time to see the King of Naples being shot by order of the other king of Naples
@oarfrost you said ney had no army?? yes he did. it is now known as ney's famous cavalry division. also the day before waterloo ney was marching up a road a few miles from napoleon and saw a british battalion. napoleon told him to attack it and rejoin him but he hesitated so long that more british soldiers arrived and was beaten off with heavy losses, but very much did join the battle with most of his army, but they were destroyed trying to destroy the british squares at the block house.
@oarfrost Ney had an army but it was not at Waterloo but at Quatre Bras his army was then turned into a corps under Napoleon but I think Ney did have all out control of the cavalry that is probrably one of the reasons why he must thought it was ok to charge without the emperor even being notified.
@1Historygenius" Ney had an army but it was not at Waterloo but at Quatre Bras .."
This is true but I don't think it that was what ultradumbass was rattling on about. More to the point, I am not overly sure that ultradumbass knows what he is talking about
@oarfrost He is very much rival of mine in many different videos specifically this one and a on the ship Titanic ultradumbass is just youtube name you never know where these people come from but they are not as rational as us. If Ney had an army it would be under his own control the closets to this would be at Quatre Bras and I think at Waterloo he did not have a specific corps but a group of corps including the whole of the cavalry and he felt he could do the charge without Napoleon knowing.
@1Historygenius ouch! not a pretty site when that french calvaryman landed right on that british bayonet. but the British infantry had to take good aim so that they did not hit their own comrades. No doubt that their was freindly fire incidents. Still, the infantry squares were still murder holes when the french batteries fired on them.
@haynes1776 The bravery of the British and their allies was terrific despite bombardment after bombardment and charge after charge they still held their ground. Wellington travelled from square to square to assit in morale in between charges. Ney kept coming and coming. Then when Napoleon saw this he probrably was at least extremely angry. Then when Ney captures La Haye Sainte he refuses Ney's request for reinforcments. I dont think it waas just the Prussians making him refuse his anger was to.
@haynes1776 I do not thin it would make a difference if he sent Grouchy's corps to chase the Prussians. Grouchy would had made difference if he was at Waterloo. Napoleon was in anger because he had just heard that Ney did not pursue Wellington he ordered Grouchy to follow Blucher although I do no think Napoleon was thinking in the long terms which is if Grouchy could had made a difference at Waterloo.
@1Historygenius they said Napoleon's forces were engaging the The prussian army near some town in Beilgum as Waterloo was winding down, just as The Guard was repulsed attacking Wellington's center.
@haynes1776 Napoleon fought Blucher's Prussians at Ligny. While Ney was holding off the British at Quatre Bas Napoleon fought the Prussians. However Napoleon did drive a big blow to Blucher and then Ney arrived to Napoleon saying he forced the British to retreat. Napoleon was angered that Ney did not follow the Wellington and decided to chase him while sending Grouchy to chase the Prussians that is how he divided his force.
@1Historygenius Now we see why Ney was not the smartest of the smart. Napoleon's plan was attack the allied armies piece by piece and destroy them and to keep them from linking up. And while Ney was stalling at Quatre Bas, It gave Wellington time to retreat and make his stand at Waterloo.
@haynes1776 "If true, Napoleon's worst fear an enemy was mother nature."
She certainly wasn't on his side. His superiority in cannon was negated becauses the balls couldn't bounce in the mud, and the ground was so wet that the night before the battle many of the French didn't get the chance to sit down let alone sleep.
It was said that Napoleon was not the same Military genius at Waterloo like he was at the battle of Austerliz, where he crushed the austrian army there. At Waterloo he did not manuver at all: he just made straight, forward advances to the ridges where Wellington's army was. Losses were high.
@haynes1776 I believe Napoleon was just to confident during the battle also he got sick which he had to take a break during the battle and left Ney in charge. Ney was just in charge of taking La Haye Sainte which he countinued to do with his corps but then he saw what he thought was the allied line retreating he ordered almostall the French cavalry to charge and well the rest is history.
But I fought Napoleon gave the order to attack Hugomont under the command of his brother Jerome the attacks went on throughtout the day to force Wellingont off the ridge but it was a waste of time and men however Jerome said the Napoleon could not had won the battle if Hugomont wqas not taken
@1Historygenius the french assault on Hugomont proved to a waist of human lives and resources. at La hainte Saint, french forces did take late in the battle, but the German defenders serving under Wellington made them pay and held long enought before withdrawing, suffering 90% casualties. the french took the outpost, but still was not able to capatalize on it.
@haynes1776 Yes the efforts on La Haye Saint took to long it should had been quicker and harder attack then Napoleon could had foucsed French attacks on the center
@1Historygenius Its great to talk to a history bluff like you. I would like to study more about the Napoleonic wars. france was an empire thanks to Napoleon.
@haynes1776 France became and empire long before Napoleon the kings of France before him formed large empires however Napoleon expanded his Empire into Europe most of the time fighting and wars happened in colonies not acutal Europe.
@1Historygenius napoleon must had large reserves of manpower to be able to conquer europe. I heard he had polish troops with him in his invasion of Russia.
@haynes1776 Polish, Swiss, Spain (before Napoleon conquered them), and Batavians were all on his side The Batvian Republic (The Netherlands today) and Switzerland were just regular allies to Napoleon but during his time as emperor Poland mwas conquered by Prussia he liberated them and they joined his march into Russia. France itself im sure had alot of troops but not enough to launch a grand march on Moscow im sure Napoleon had his allied troops with him.
@1Historygenius It would have been difficult. Even when Napoleon took La Haye Sainte he still had to tackle the 12,000 allied soldiers positioned behind the farm. As D'Erlon's men were exhausted the Emperor was largely reliant upon the 6,000 men of the Old and Middle Guard. However, if the French had taken Hougoumont then they could have turned Wellington's right flank and fought the battle of manoeuvre that was Napoleon's forte
@oarfrost The Duke of Wellington won because of Blucher if Blucher had not arrived Napoleon would have had Lobau's corps do it was reduced you couldit packed a powerful punch still also Napoleon who have had Domon's cavalry brigade which like Lobau's reduced corps was sent to stop the Prussians by movingLobau to attack them Napoleon hadonly one reserve corps left which was his Imperial Guard.
@1Historygenius "The Duke of Wellington won because of Blucher if Blucher had not arrived Napoleon would have had Lobau's corps ..."
All true, but that was pretty much a given. After the battle of Quatre Bras Wellington and Blucher had liaised and it had been agreed that the Duke would fight at Waterloo on the condition that the Prussians came to his aid.
@oarfrost However if Grouchy had done better in his efforts to stop the Prussian rearguard he could had broke through them and attacked Blucher's main body.
He might have done but on the other hand the Prussian army was about three times the size of Grouchy's force and Blucher might well have rolled over the French and arrived at Waterloo earlier than Von Bulow actually did.
@donorleone how would you know he's not ill that time?he had been on many battles,where he could had gotten his ill.in egypt the evil brits spread disceases on egypt to weaken napoleon,since they could beat him on the battlefield,they tried to do evil,dirty and unhonorable tactics,so much for their great pride and honor,the brits were well know for such dirty and unhonorable tactics of their own,it's been on their very long history,tsk...
@donorleone napoleon also was at russia,where hw got himself beaten by the winter,but never by the russians,where the allies decided to out manuever napoleon,while napoleon was in retreat from russia,the allies move forward to paris,and pris surrendered napoleon to save france,though napoleon didnt liked it,he abdicted for france's safety...
''Ore the history of the Europe will be changed forever''. They think that I am an idiot, I am just crazy for war literature (so it evens up today). If he had defeated allies in Belgium, 220.000. Austrians were concetrating on Rhine and Russian Rezerve army was on march with 150.000. men. Europe was determined to destroy him, no parle. Symplify, parts, fragmentation, insult to inteligence, non alcocolic drink with sugar and famous Laponian. If America is future we are all doomed!
@zozmanpfc i totally agree,napoleon never fought a war for total aggression,he fought to defend france,while british lies and bad propagandas are ruining him,and those who were part of the last coalition against napoleon,were just bribed by the brits,so that there would be no lasting peace in europe,if the brits were'nt such an arse,there would have been a very lasting peace in europe,but instead many just prfered believing the lies and propagandas of the brits that napoleon was a manace n evil
@zozmanpfc when the truth is that the brits were the evil one,who spreads that their lies are for better cause,when in truth its just a very selfish cause for theirselves.and america is just a much worse evil nation taught by the brits...
thus it's very understandable that the french never would fully trust them ever
@zozmanpfc even during ww1 n ww2,there were no full trust on both of the brits and the french,the brits would say they saved france,when they never fully mobilised any full reinforcement to france to help them fight,instead the brits would wait and forsake france and abandoned them,so that they could claim the glory and see france in ruins...
@Woodlander65 really,so,if ever i am a jap,i should be stupid and know nothing?that's very clear proof what kind of people are the brits,always the HIGHER PEOPLE,who are the GODS of earth,and never wrong,am i right?no,i'm wrong,i cant be right,coz only the brits could be right,tsk...
if ever i would hate people,1 of the reason is because they are racist,very very selfish,unjust and never liked equality...
you may think whatever you want,but scientifically,we're all homo sapiens,tsk...
@Woodlander65 who cares about what the japs did,personally i dont like japs,it's in the past,but your manner of hate,discrimination and racism is just beyond my understanding and belief...
and unlike the brits who kept begging for help and support during ww2,the japs stood alone in asia and pacific,they have no other allies but theirselves,but they took greater pride,for they prefer to die than slaves to corruption,yes they were beaten and humbled,but unlike germany,the japs kept their pride...
Well said- we are all homo-sapiens + should judge on merits
I won't excuse Japanese atrocities by the Japanese fascists in WW2, but you are correct. That was 70 years ago- it's almost laughable that people live in the past and crow on about not trusting a nation that is totally unlike what its predecessors ruling fascists did 70 years ago. It's not as if European colonials/ thieves in Asia had a clean record of civil rights to those they exploited and suppressed in colonized Asia.
@slizzler1 if they would talk about atrocities,what about the brutal dishonorable murders and massacres that the brits did in theur past?the brits almost erased the local inhabitants in their "new world",as well as they murdered william wallace and joan d'arc,and other nationalistic heroes,even calling them demons and evil person,when the only crime they did is fight for the love of their home nation/kingdom...
On occasion in the appropriate discussions I always make a point of revealing nation's dark chapters of their past when I se people acting cocky about their 'society' as being always the 'good guys'..... I do mention Churchill's several efforts to get bomber command to go along with dropping poison gas on German cities in WW2.
And yes- quite right as you mentioned- 'foreign' armies invading Europe were called barbarians /occupiers- the West's foreign invasions were 'colonizing'
@slizzler1 well who else in the world couldn't accept the fact that they are not really the "good guys"?it's really funny when people say they fight in the name of freedom and liberty,but they are not mentioning justice and equality.they cant mention such thing coz they dont want justice and equality,they want injustices and inequality,in a point that they are the heroes and any1 who opposes them,they call evil or villian or terrorist...
That was very well said.... perfect example was the neocons in the former Bush admin - they got lawyers to try and redefine what 'torture' was;- just so that the neocons could torture terrorist suspects -innocent or not- and say they were not torturing, but using "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" - so thereafter, news media and neocons referred to their torture of suspects specifically as 'enhanced interrogating techniques'. Nobody sane would even believe it in a movie plot.
Banka Island Massacre, 1942. Australian nurses stayed to look after the wounded, the Japanese arrived and bayonetted, shot and the remaining Australian surviving women were forced into the sea and machine gunned down. Only one survived to tell the experience afterward, Bulwinkle is her name.
There was also the Laha Massacre, Palawan, Laha and other crime incidents.
Napoleon was Frances pride.
TheLethem77 3 weeks ago
Ugliest thing, since Boris Yelson!
samuskillsjj 3 months ago
Why dont you exile yourself, and go to a island and HIDE
cause this is a rap rollercoster, you're not even TALL ENOUGH RIDE
akinman123 3 months ago
I dont care, like how many stupid prussians you killed..
cause to me; you're just the emperor of the lolipop guild
akinman123 3 months ago
Ill turn your horse into glue welcome to the battle of waterloo part 2!
1234righton 9 months ago 7
@1234righton u got that from epic rap battles of history.
warspite1995 6 months ago
Ill tear your bones apart Boneparte!
1234righton 9 months ago
Welcome to the Battle of Waterloo part 2!
-Napoleon Dynamite (See 'Epic Rap Battles of History 9 for reference)
fleskfan100 9 months ago 2
@fleskfan100 thats why I came here
sausin3123 9 months ago
Wellington had the better ground with two fortified positions guarding his flanks. On an even ground I think it would have been a different story. Reminds me of Lee at Gettysburg. The Feds had the high ground on seminary ridge with both flanks anchored on easily defended ground. One being devils den.
horseman528 9 months ago
@horseman528 See, that's kind of pointless. No man in the world had more respect for Napoleon's abilities than Wellington and Wellington was not prepared to face Napeleon - ever - without an advantage. A battle between Napoleon and Wellington was never going to be fought on even ground because Wellington was never going to engage on such a battlefield, he'd only ever engage on a field that suited him. That's one of the reasons why Napoleon failed at Waterloo - because Wellington chose the field.
11nytram11 4 months ago
@11nytram11 ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON MY FRIEND,NAPOLEON WAS A GREAT COMMANDER WITHOUT DOUBT BUT SO WAS WELLINGTON
fringecakeboy 3 months ago
Just gotta love the movie for all the action, and the site of such masses like the Guard on the move is stirring, especially to the music...gets ya kinda pumped eh?
northpoint43m 11 months ago
Grouchy basically lost the prussians in the woods by going the wrong way, winding up behind them instead in front of them, between them & waterloo. It was a battle of many tactical , fatalistic errors. if napoleon wouldv'e had more marshals there, such as the best one , Davout, and Murat the cavalry king, as well as Mortier, i truly beleive history wouldda been different.
northpoint43m 11 months ago
@northpoint43m " It was a battle of many tactical , fatalistic errors. if napoleon wouldv'e had more marshals there, such as the best one , Davout, and Murat the cavalry king, as well as Mortier, i truly beleive history wouldda been different."
Possibly, but it might have been even better if Napoleon hadn't been there. At Waterloo the Emperor seemed to have trusted a little too much to luck and not enough to the advice of his senior officers.
oarfrost 10 months ago
Ney was a Hussar in the cavalry before becoming a Marshal, and his Corps at Quatre Bras did quite well...if he had sufficient reinforcements he had wellington beaten, at least stalemated while Napoleon dealt with the Prussians, & his corps was integrated in army at waterloo, acting for emperor" while in most battles, and seeing wellingtons army 'withdraw" away from cannon fire to behind the ridge, mistakenly viewed it as a retreat, and cavalry usually was used to "rout" retreating armies.
northpoint43m 11 months ago
Nap was not short! In it is believed that he was short due to british propaganda. He was 5'7 which was quite tall for men in those times. Long live the Queen.
SnowBumRider 1 year ago
If true, Napoleon's worst fear an enemy was mother nature. With the terrain muddy due to rain, it made it difficult for his army to fight more effectively.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 "If true, Napoleon's worst fear an enemy was mother nature."
She certainly wasn't on his side. His superiority in cannon was negated becauses the balls couldn't bounce in the mud, and the ground was so wet that the night before the battle many of the French didn't get the chance to sit down letone sleep.
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost Another if is what if Napoleon has his men attack earlier than later but this would had been worse for the French. What Napoleon could had done was ordered the old and middle guards forward when Wellington was so pressed earlier. Or an attack on the right flank much more further he should had moved Reille's corps while Jerome's was attacking Hugomont. Move Reiller past Hugomont far on the British right flank with support of artillery and Kellerman's cavalry.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius There are a lot of "what ifs" that are fun to speculate on. My favourite is what if the Kings German Legion had some firewood on the night before the battle. Then they wouldn't have had to burn the gates of Haye Sainte and would have been able fortify the place properly, which would have meant that the initial assualt by the French line regiments would have been rebuffed with much greater lose than actually happened. Napoleon would then have realised that there was no point in...
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost trusting to Donzelot's troops and would have had to send in the Imperial Guard. At 1 pm the Prussians weren't yet in a position so the emperor could have flung his entire reserve into the attack, driven through Wellington's centre, caught Von Bulow's IV Corps (which was spread out over six miles) on the march and would have ended up drinking draught Stella in Brussels by nightfall
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost To me the only thing stopping Napoleon from winning a victory hear when you come to think of it is his sickness( Maybe Bluchers Prussians as a second reason to stop him). The reason why I say maybe is the fact that Napoleon could had won an easy victory if he was not sick so much. He still could had won by making may simultanous attacks at different places at the ridge Wellington was at with combined light artillery, infantry, and cavalry combined corps and attack.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@oarfrost Some people say Ney was in cahrge the French could win this battle the question is couldNey had done better than Napoleon?
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius "Some people say Ney was in cahrge the French could win this battle the question is couldNey had done better than Napoleon?"
By the morning of 18th June I reckon that anyone could have done better than Napoleon. He seemed to have been trusting almost entirely to luck and his own happy fantasies, not the least of which was that all Grouchy had to do was look fierce and a Prussian army three times his size would promptly run away.
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost Some people say Napoleon should had never ordered Grouchy toleave with 30,000 troops to chase the Prussians Grouchy corps would had been large help.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius "Some people say Napoleon should had never ordered Grouchy toleave with 30,000 troops to chase the Prussians Grouchy corps would had been large help."
They might have a point. You mentioned his health earlier, Painkillers in the 1800s were mostly opium derivatives and there is a case to be made for Napoleon being zonked out of his head for much of the campaign. He had fought Blucher before and knew that old Marshal Forwards wasn't going to run away, but somehow he ....
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost ..managed to persuade himself that Grouchy's relatively small force was going to put the Prussians to flight. Then he allowed himself to believe that Wellington, the master of defensive warfare, could be brushed of the Sainte Jean ridge by fighting the battle on the Duke's terms.
1Historygenius, this is fun, but I have to go to bed. Goodnight.
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost Lets face it Napoleon was cocky he had never fought Wellington before he had never really fought the British before except in maybe one battle I had read. Napoleon could had won if he went up the ridge however heavy cassualties would had been caused if he did almost every attack at the same time. Jerome hits Hugomont, D'Erlon hit center left, Imperial Guard hit center west, Donzelot hit La Haye Sainte, Possibly Lobau in reserve and cavalry with Ney as back up with light artillery.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius Well, Ney may have been the "bravest of the brave", as he was called But his blunder at Waterloo by ordering the French calvary to attack Wellington's center, believing that he was retreating, when he was ordering his troops to form infantry squares to repel the French calvary:Well he was not the smartest of the smart by doing that. No infantry or artilery supported them. Very costly blunder on Ney's part.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 That is the problem with Ney the British were not even routing they were moving back in an organized fashion. Why would Ney think that his cavalry could break an organized retreat the allies could easily form square and after this British artillerymen moved to their cannons and fired at the French. but why so many charges there was not just ne but many what was Ney thinking and if he was in command what would his plans be other than Napoleon's.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius And how the French calvary were able to inflict casualties on the british infantry squares with their sabers is another thing. All they could do is taunt,threaten. didnt they have small pistols with them?
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 They did have small pistols but back then it was one shot and hope for a kill. The French lancers were one thing but the curissaires with their sabers is another you cannot reach all they did was ride around in confusion as British men in there squares fired a volley at their first encounter then fire at will. One young british soldier said a curissare's horse was shot and the French curissare landed right in front of him. This middle aged Frenchman took a bayonet and stabbed himself
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius "They did have small pistols but back then it was one shot and hope for a kill. "
That is right and It led to some odd situations. The British infantry were under orders not to fire unless confronted by a mass of enemy horsemen charging straight at them. On the other hand the French cavalry's pistols and carbines were even less accurate than the British muskets. So a few brave horsemen would edge forward, take aim, fire and miss and in return recieve nothing more lethal from ..
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost the allied infantry (who could not afford to waste ammunition) than a volley of abuse
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost Ney who was among his men fought bravely but really all they did was wave swords and lances around to look scary. Once the cavalry came up the ridge the British squares in front fired a volley but after there was no morre organized firing the British and allied troops just fired at they pleased. Ney lost three horses in this battle never to be shot himself hbe must had been the luckiest French soldier during the charge.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius I must say that its great talking to you about the Napoleonic wars. Its another part of history that I have a big interest in for I admire Napoleon for he was one of the greatest military minds in history.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 " I admire Napoleon for he was one of the greatest military minds in history."
That is true enough but by 1815 that mind was getting a bit raddled. If he had beaten Wellington and then fettled Blucher, Napoleon would had about ten minutes to get his haemorrhoids treated before a third of a million Austrians and Russians hove into view. After more than two decades of war the one thing the other European leaders were agreed upon was that Napoleon had to go.
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost the allies declared war on Napoleon, not France.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@1Historygenius "Ney lost three horses in this battle never to be shot himself hbe must had been the luckiest French soldier during the charge."
That raises an interesting point. The British were firing at the French horses because they weren't sure that their musket balls would penetrate the cavalry's breastplates. As a result the French must have lost a lot of horses and they didn't have much in the way of replacements. So if the French had broken through the allied lines and and forced
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost Wellington to retreat, Napoleon would not have had the dragoons and such to harry the British and stop them reforming. So if he had been forced to fall back, Wellington may just have disappeared into the night, found another ridge, reformed and waited for Blucher who would have been behind the French.
Alternatively, after days of marching in rain that was so bad that they could not even sit down let alone sleep, both sides might just have called it quits and gone to bed.
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost Exactly when you loose horses you do not have the power the charge started with. The French cavalry thought the British were retreating they came over the ridge suprised to find them in squares just then the British officer give the order to fire at the horses. French horses fall the French cavalrymen are confused the ones on their horses just try to look threating waving weapons or firing their pistols. The men that lost their horses charge the British sqaures only to be shot others
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@oarfrost try to escape the field only to be shot by themselves. Finally the French retreat British artillerymen renturn to their cannons and fire back at the cavalry. Ney orders his own bombardment without Napoleon's orders then orders his cavalry to charge again each time French cavalry full back the French bombardment destroys the British squares and again another charge but the British bravely hold their ground while Wellington in between charges tells his troops to stand firm while
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@oarfrost Napoleon is outraged at Ney w\once he comes back on the field.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius "Napoleon is outraged at Ney w\once he comes back on the field."
Poor old Ney got a rotten press. He wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box, but, apart from the cavalry charges that Napoleon did nothing to stop, the emperor kept him on a pretty tight lease.
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost Actually Napoleon did order a cavalry charge. Ney sent in his 5,000 cavalry in in those series of charges the last charge however was by Napoleon he ordered the only remaning cavalry reserves under Kellerman 9,000 men to join in a last charge. The reason: He thought the repulse of Ney charge may panic the army. So now Kellerman joins Ney the entire 14,000 cavalry force filled the whole space between Hugomont and La Haye Sainte but this was assisted by just one light artillery battery.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius "Actually Napoleon did order a cavalry charge."
Oops, you are right. I forgot about that
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost This has me really torn and Napolen also probrably. It seems to me that Napoleon was angry but he could not undo what Ney did instead he ordered a last cavalry charge with all cavarly reserves in order to raise morale of his army but this would also just lead to a retreat. If I were him I would send in all cavalry and the old and middle guards early while also sending the young guard to stop the Prussians like he did later I do not know why Napoleon did not do that.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius that is why you will never be a general. you obviously got no idea how to run an army, and don't even act like you do. napoleon should have weakened the british and retreated before the prussians came, by which time he'd had have more reinforcements which were being recruited daily. but nice to know you live to my name. i have dealt with you on other videos acting like a three year old. now either you will take this as a victory or mourn like you say you do every three months.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass You do dont understand that time is not on Napoleon's side the British, Prussians, Russians, and Austrians. He had to stop the British and Prussians but remember the Russians and Austrians are coming in time. Seriously the British were spread and weak a series of attacks on the ridge with a combo of cavalry, infantry, and light artillery in corps at different ares of the ridge at the same time would stop them in short term your plan sounds good but remember 4 enemies coming.....
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@ultradumbass .... and because time is of the essence you need to worry about those 4 enemies coming mean you need something quick and decisive something you do not understand and because of your such disgusted plan I will be dammned if I will lose to you at this one. Round1 done next round will come if you reply.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@ultradumbass You have failed a reply within 24 hours so therefore I have one the debate another victory for me.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@ultradumbass "napoleon should have weakened the british and retreated before the prussians came"
Ere, I think you will find that was Napoleon was trying to do. Unfortunately it didn't work
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost after grouchy and ney did not send their whole army in time, napoleon saw the prussian's from 8 miles. in military terms 8 miles is still a few hours, so those few hours may have given him him to fall back at night, refreshing his army, and likely grouchy's army would have arrived sometime in the night to better fight two armies. though he should also have tried helping murat's rebellion in italy despite being mad at murat since it would have given him more troops as well.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass "after grouchy and ney did not send their whole army in time,"
Actually, Ney didn't have an army to send. He was just Napoleon's second in command at Waterloo.
"he should also have tried helping murat's rebellion in italy"
Murat was on the run a month before Waterloo. If Grouchy had set off to help him he might have arrived in time to see the King of Naples being shot by order of the other king of Naples
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost you said ney had no army?? yes he did. it is now known as ney's famous cavalry division. also the day before waterloo ney was marching up a road a few miles from napoleon and saw a british battalion. napoleon told him to attack it and rejoin him but he hesitated so long that more british soldiers arrived and was beaten off with heavy losses, but very much did join the battle with most of his army, but they were destroyed trying to destroy the british squares at the block house.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass Well quite. I am surprised that I missed such obvious points. Thank you for bringing these matters to my attention
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost Ney had an army but it was not at Waterloo but at Quatre Bras his army was then turned into a corps under Napoleon but I think Ney did have all out control of the cavalry that is probrably one of the reasons why he must thought it was ok to charge without the emperor even being notified.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius" Ney had an army but it was not at Waterloo but at Quatre Bras .."
This is true but I don't think it that was what ultradumbass was rattling on about. More to the point, I am not overly sure that ultradumbass knows what he is talking about
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost He is very much rival of mine in many different videos specifically this one and a on the ship Titanic ultradumbass is just youtube name you never know where these people come from but they are not as rational as us. If Ney had an army it would be under his own control the closets to this would be at Quatre Bras and I think at Waterloo he did not have a specific corps but a group of corps including the whole of the cavalry and he felt he could do the charge without Napoleon knowing.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius ouch! not a pretty site when that french calvaryman landed right on that british bayonet. but the British infantry had to take good aim so that they did not hit their own comrades. No doubt that their was freindly fire incidents. Still, the infantry squares were still murder holes when the french batteries fired on them.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 The bravery of the British and their allies was terrific despite bombardment after bombardment and charge after charge they still held their ground. Wellington travelled from square to square to assit in morale in between charges. Ney kept coming and coming. Then when Napoleon saw this he probrably was at least extremely angry. Then when Ney captures La Haye Sainte he refuses Ney's request for reinforcments. I dont think it waas just the Prussians making him refuse his anger was to.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius And the 30,000 men Napoleon sent to persue the prussians: they could had helped napoleon in time
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 I do not thin it would make a difference if he sent Grouchy's corps to chase the Prussians. Grouchy would had made difference if he was at Waterloo. Napoleon was in anger because he had just heard that Ney did not pursue Wellington he ordered Grouchy to follow Blucher although I do no think Napoleon was thinking in the long terms which is if Grouchy could had made a difference at Waterloo.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius they said Napoleon's forces were engaging the The prussian army near some town in Beilgum as Waterloo was winding down, just as The Guard was repulsed attacking Wellington's center.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 Napoleon fought Blucher's Prussians at Ligny. While Ney was holding off the British at Quatre Bas Napoleon fought the Prussians. However Napoleon did drive a big blow to Blucher and then Ney arrived to Napoleon saying he forced the British to retreat. Napoleon was angered that Ney did not follow the Wellington and decided to chase him while sending Grouchy to chase the Prussians that is how he divided his force.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius Now we see why Ney was not the smartest of the smart. Napoleon's plan was attack the allied armies piece by piece and destroy them and to keep them from linking up. And while Ney was stalling at Quatre Bas, It gave Wellington time to retreat and make his stand at Waterloo.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 Exactly.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
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haynes1776 1 year ago
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@haynes1776 "If true, Napoleon's worst fear an enemy was mother nature."
She certainly wasn't on his side. His superiority in cannon was negated becauses the balls couldn't bounce in the mud, and the ground was so wet that the night before the battle many of the French didn't get the chance to sit down let alone sleep.
oarfrost 1 year ago
It was said that Napoleon was not the same Military genius at Waterloo like he was at the battle of Austerliz, where he crushed the austrian army there. At Waterloo he did not manuver at all: he just made straight, forward advances to the ridges where Wellington's army was. Losses were high.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 I believe Napoleon was just to confident during the battle also he got sick which he had to take a break during the battle and left Ney in charge. Ney was just in charge of taking La Haye Sainte which he countinued to do with his corps but then he saw what he thought was the allied line retreating he ordered almostall the French cavalry to charge and well the rest is history.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
But I fought Napoleon gave the order to attack Hugomont under the command of his brother Jerome the attacks went on throughtout the day to force Wellingont off the ridge but it was a waste of time and men however Jerome said the Napoleon could not had won the battle if Hugomont wqas not taken
1Historygenius 1 year ago
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haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 I guess that proves Jerome wrong who said that I belive Napoleon could not won the battle without taking Hugomont.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius the french assault on Hugomont proved to a waist of human lives and resources. at La hainte Saint, french forces did take late in the battle, but the German defenders serving under Wellington made them pay and held long enought before withdrawing, suffering 90% casualties. the french took the outpost, but still was not able to capatalize on it.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 Yes the efforts on La Haye Saint took to long it should had been quicker and harder attack then Napoleon could had foucsed French attacks on the center
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius Its great to talk to a history bluff like you. I would like to study more about the Napoleonic wars. france was an empire thanks to Napoleon.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 France became and empire long before Napoleon the kings of France before him formed large empires however Napoleon expanded his Empire into Europe most of the time fighting and wars happened in colonies not acutal Europe.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius napoleon must had large reserves of manpower to be able to conquer europe. I heard he had polish troops with him in his invasion of Russia.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776 Polish, Swiss, Spain (before Napoleon conquered them), and Batavians were all on his side The Batvian Republic (The Netherlands today) and Switzerland were just regular allies to Napoleon but during his time as emperor Poland mwas conquered by Prussia he liberated them and they joined his march into Russia. France itself im sure had alot of troops but not enough to launch a grand march on Moscow im sure Napoleon had his allied troops with him.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius It would have been difficult. Even when Napoleon took La Haye Sainte he still had to tackle the 12,000 allied soldiers positioned behind the farm. As D'Erlon's men were exhausted the Emperor was largely reliant upon the 6,000 men of the Old and Middle Guard. However, if the French had taken Hougoumont then they could have turned Wellington's right flank and fought the battle of manoeuvre that was Napoleon's forte
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost The Duke of Wellington won because of Blucher if Blucher had not arrived Napoleon would have had Lobau's corps do it was reduced you couldit packed a powerful punch still also Napoleon who have had Domon's cavalry brigade which like Lobau's reduced corps was sent to stop the Prussians by movingLobau to attack them Napoleon hadonly one reserve corps left which was his Imperial Guard.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius "The Duke of Wellington won because of Blucher if Blucher had not arrived Napoleon would have had Lobau's corps ..."
All true, but that was pretty much a given. After the battle of Quatre Bras Wellington and Blucher had liaised and it had been agreed that the Duke would fight at Waterloo on the condition that the Prussians came to his aid.
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost However if Grouchy had done better in his efforts to stop the Prussian rearguard he could had broke through them and attacked Blucher's main body.
1Historygenius 1 year ago
@1Historygenius Ah, now we have one of the great "ifs".
He might have done but on the other hand the Prussian army was about three times the size of Grouchy's force and Blucher might well have rolled over the French and arrived at Waterloo earlier than Von Bulow actually did.
oarfrost 1 year ago
Christ dale dye is scraping the bottom of the barrel lol.
Isthisthelongestname 1 year ago
people always say napoleon was ill. piles and stomach pains doesnt explain the mistakes he made. it wasnt just napoleon who slept little aswell
donorleone 1 year ago
@donorleone how would you know he's not ill that time?he had been on many battles,where he could had gotten his ill.in egypt the evil brits spread disceases on egypt to weaken napoleon,since they could beat him on the battlefield,they tried to do evil,dirty and unhonorable tactics,so much for their great pride and honor,the brits were well know for such dirty and unhonorable tactics of their own,it's been on their very long history,tsk...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
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teslagod2003 1 year ago
@donorleone napoleon also was at russia,where hw got himself beaten by the winter,but never by the russians,where the allies decided to out manuever napoleon,while napoleon was in retreat from russia,the allies move forward to paris,and pris surrendered napoleon to save france,though napoleon didnt liked it,he abdicted for france's safety...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
yeah, this is a cheap doc.
Rico8458 1 year ago
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haynes1776 1 year ago
look what happens when americans try to understand history...
laguillotine65 1 year ago
''Ore the history of the Europe will be changed forever''. They think that I am an idiot, I am just crazy for war literature (so it evens up today). If he had defeated allies in Belgium, 220.000. Austrians were concetrating on Rhine and Russian Rezerve army was on march with 150.000. men. Europe was determined to destroy him, no parle. Symplify, parts, fragmentation, insult to inteligence, non alcocolic drink with sugar and famous Laponian. If America is future we are all doomed!
zozmanpfc 1 year ago
@zozmanpfc i totally agree,napoleon never fought a war for total aggression,he fought to defend france,while british lies and bad propagandas are ruining him,and those who were part of the last coalition against napoleon,were just bribed by the brits,so that there would be no lasting peace in europe,if the brits were'nt such an arse,there would have been a very lasting peace in europe,but instead many just prfered believing the lies and propagandas of the brits that napoleon was a manace n evil
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@zozmanpfc when the truth is that the brits were the evil one,who spreads that their lies are for better cause,when in truth its just a very selfish cause for theirselves.and america is just a much worse evil nation taught by the brits...
thus it's very understandable that the french never would fully trust them ever
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@zozmanpfc even during ww1 n ww2,there were no full trust on both of the brits and the french,the brits would say they saved france,when they never fully mobilised any full reinforcement to france to help them fight,instead the brits would wait and forsake france and abandoned them,so that they could claim the glory and see france in ruins...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@teslagod2003
Coming from Japan i shan't take any notice of your comments on trust of other nations. Kind of hypocritical if you dont mind me saying.
Woodlander65 1 year ago
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teslagod2003 1 year ago
@Woodlander65 really,so,if ever i am a jap,i should be stupid and know nothing?that's very clear proof what kind of people are the brits,always the HIGHER PEOPLE,who are the GODS of earth,and never wrong,am i right?no,i'm wrong,i cant be right,coz only the brits could be right,tsk...
if ever i would hate people,1 of the reason is because they are racist,very very selfish,unjust and never liked equality...
you may think whatever you want,but scientifically,we're all homo sapiens,tsk...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@teslagod2003
You can talk of trust between countries after what Japan did to Commonwealth soldiers and nurses, what is so unjust or high about that truth!
Woodlander65 1 year ago
@Woodlander65 who cares about what the japs did,personally i dont like japs,it's in the past,but your manner of hate,discrimination and racism is just beyond my understanding and belief...
and unlike the brits who kept begging for help and support during ww2,the japs stood alone in asia and pacific,they have no other allies but theirselves,but they took greater pride,for they prefer to die than slaves to corruption,yes they were beaten and humbled,but unlike germany,the japs kept their pride...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@teslagod2003
Well said- we are all homo-sapiens + should judge on merits
I won't excuse Japanese atrocities by the Japanese fascists in WW2, but you are correct. That was 70 years ago- it's almost laughable that people live in the past and crow on about not trusting a nation that is totally unlike what its predecessors ruling fascists did 70 years ago. It's not as if European colonials/ thieves in Asia had a clean record of civil rights to those they exploited and suppressed in colonized Asia.
slizzler1 1 year ago
@slizzler1 if they would talk about atrocities,what about the brutal dishonorable murders and massacres that the brits did in theur past?the brits almost erased the local inhabitants in their "new world",as well as they murdered william wallace and joan d'arc,and other nationalistic heroes,even calling them demons and evil person,when the only crime they did is fight for the love of their home nation/kingdom...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@teslagod2003
On occasion in the appropriate discussions I always make a point of revealing nation's dark chapters of their past when I se people acting cocky about their 'society' as being always the 'good guys'..... I do mention Churchill's several efforts to get bomber command to go along with dropping poison gas on German cities in WW2.
And yes- quite right as you mentioned- 'foreign' armies invading Europe were called barbarians /occupiers- the West's foreign invasions were 'colonizing'
slizzler1 1 year ago
@slizzler1 well who else in the world couldn't accept the fact that they are not really the "good guys"?it's really funny when people say they fight in the name of freedom and liberty,but they are not mentioning justice and equality.they cant mention such thing coz they dont want justice and equality,they want injustices and inequality,in a point that they are the heroes and any1 who opposes them,they call evil or villian or terrorist...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@teslagod2003
That was very well said.... perfect example was the neocons in the former Bush admin - they got lawyers to try and redefine what 'torture' was;- just so that the neocons could torture terrorist suspects -innocent or not- and say they were not torturing, but using "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" - so thereafter, news media and neocons referred to their torture of suspects specifically as 'enhanced interrogating techniques'. Nobody sane would even believe it in a movie plot.
slizzler1 1 year ago
@Woodlander65 what Japan did to the soldiers and nurses of Commonwealth?
TheKeith1814 1 year ago
@TheKeith1814
Banka Island Massacre, 1942. Australian nurses stayed to look after the wounded, the Japanese arrived and bayonetted, shot and the remaining Australian surviving women were forced into the sea and machine gunned down. Only one survived to tell the experience afterward, Bulwinkle is her name.
There was also the Laha Massacre, Palawan, Laha and other crime incidents.
Woodlander65 1 year ago
Wellington was already the Duke of Wellington at the time of Waterloo. This documentary didn't double check facts well. =)
DrewDude09 2 years ago
The soldier who brings the report at the beginning calls him "My General" ... instead of "Sire" or "Your Majesty"..... appallingly bad documentary.
NapoleonCalland 2 years ago
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CommonAswhole 2 years ago
I thought Weaslely was already Duke of Welington by the time of Warterloo? he was later Priminster of Great Britain
Varagbogrot 2 years ago
nope
rahulpower 2 years ago
he was
Oneandoneself 1 year ago
what happened to quatre bra?
Maximus5454 3 years ago
thats in part 1 of this documentary
rahulpower 2 years ago
awesome =D
Rejectednoodles 3 years ago