The Hwacha was developed in China and called Huoche. The Chinese had multiple designs, including those with low trajectories for close-range combat and high trajectories for long range.
thekoreans made that,it is called the hwacha. Watch the movie Divine Weapon. They also made the first missle that can go i think about at least 1000 yards.
@andrewpark35 did you know that in ancient time,korea is a poor,primitive country depending almost everything on china?even the korean emperor must be qualified by the chinese to be a leader.look at the ancient korean culture,can you name out nothing that is completely out of the strong chinese influence?the korean writting system,painting,calligraphy,costume,food are all originated from china.
@CrimsonGuard1992 I think it's not the explosion that is big, there was not much of a shock-wave,I think It's the flame that's big. My guess is a lot of phosphoric elements was added like how a firework blows except the flashy colors and this time it was designed to set people on fire.
korea was a vassal state to China and China protected them twice from Japanese invasion. So i wont be surprise Korean have Chinese technologies and made it their own version. Im not implying they are copying but made it to suit their needs.
Well ppl the reason why the Korean Hwacha is called the first is because it shoots arrows that explodes on impact much like a modern rocket compared to the Chinese equivalent weapons before which were simple arrows
@AustGuyTang as a Korean (albeit Korean-American) I'm slightly offended...
Actually after learning about ancient rocket technology I did the research and traced it all back to the Chinese, though the Hwacha was used in Korea as well
@elesararwos which is y half the world isnt speaking chinese but instead spanish, portugese, english and french. the chinese were culturally not aggressive but instead looked for trade and friendship. zheng he landed in australia 200 years before the europeans but it was the europeans which colonised australia and not china.
it's true gunpowder were used as weapons first in China. But during the Joseon Dynasty Koreans invented Rockets using Gunpowder, and They used Gunpowder using Firearms against Japanese Pirates and were victorius
@Intranetusa Hwa cha is not the rocket I am talking about, Hwacha is a rocket propelling "car" that shoots multiple rockets which are ignited by fire. I am talking about Shin Gi Jeon,( the divine weapon) It is a single rocket similar to a Modern day Rocket Missile.
@00h0012345 the fact that you have so many enemies here reflects that you are a useless SCUM..yea, i like imagining japenis dogs like you licking american shits.... useless to society?? it seems that you are more like it, what is the VALUE of a SUICIDER like you to the society?? dog like you is better off dying...with your fucking childish mentality you will go nowhere, always assume and that's what ignorant coward like you do best
@w00h0012345 that's the FACT..i bet low japenis dog like you are struggling to accept the truth...i'm not like japenis cowards who commit suicide whn things don't work out, isn't that what japenis LOSERS do best?? after all these yrs you still retain that fucking culture of committing suicide...lmao!!! ....your ppl are losers, you have no say in the UN security council and limited military power, what else could you dogs do besides kissing american ass...
@manchewl It seems you HAVE acknowledged the fact you are useless to society, yet you will not kill yourself.
It's because of unwilling peasants like you depopulation is a priority. Hopefully you will get injected with mercury the next time you visit the doctors.
Though I find it quite amusing you keep mentioning dogs licking feces off american assholes. You sure like that image, don't ya', ya notty notty boii ~~ ;D
@w00h0012345 most of the time it's just the american doing all the works, i don't see any japenis dogs fighting a war... even if you want you are just too WEAK ...japen is are nothing but american dogs who only bark when their master the americans allow it..LMAO!! japenis live with no pride and dignity, after being nuked and now you are american dogs.
@w00h0012345 superior?? i don't see anything superior bout the japenis dogs who kiss american ass...without army and economy deteriorating, japenis are the SHIT of ASIA...the Nazis were strong whereas japenis dogs like you proved no threat to the western world...it was because USA and the Brits were concentrating on the europe battlefield, japenis dogs had the chance to ambush USA...without germany buying you some time all japenis dogs would have died within months..i hope you like the NUKEs dog
Arguing proves ignorance. No matter what country you are - especially Chinese and Korean - take it how knowledge our ancestors were in the military battlefield. Personally, I am Chinese, and (incl. Koreans) will take pride in this.
I feel sorry for this and I already removed some of my extreme comments. It's normal that everyone prefers their own ethnicity, but sometimes we should control our emotions and we shouldn't hurt the feelings of others. Both sides need to stop this pointless debate. Can't we just shut up and watch this video?
@TheXanian YES, you're right. This debate is useless. Why? Because everyone knows that slant eyed korean and chinese faggots are inferior to the TRUE PURE ARYANS of the east, the Japanese. Chinese? You shitheads are outdated, poor as fuck communists. Go sell fecal matter infected toys to some third world country huh? Koreans? HA don't even start. EVERYTHING IN KOREA IS COPIED FROM JAPAN. Lol those dumb bastards can't even support themselves. AND TAKESHIMA, not "dokdo" (what the fuck?) is OURS.
Genetics have already proven that Japanese are pure Asians. Japanese have about 30% O2b, 20% O3, 35% D2, 5% C1, and very few C3 and N. All of these haplogroups are typical Asian haplogroups.
@TheXanian Lol nice thanks for refferring to Wikipedia faggot.
During World War 2, scientists such as Heinrich Himmler of our greatest, most powerful ally Nazi Germany have found that Japanese blood had many similar qualities to that of Aryan blood. We have been dubbed as "Masters of the Orient" or "Aryans of the East."
LOL you're chinese, so you'll always be a fuckin red. Go suck Mao ZeDONG's mighty cock and masturbate in your worker shared rice fields faggot.
"Masters of the Orient" meaning the Japanese are the superior ASIAN race. Aryans were the "pure" EUROPEAN race, so himmler dubbed us, their unstoppable ally "Aryans of the East." Without us, nazi germany would have been fucked. It's a nickname, you uneducated commie.
That doesn't mean I endorse nazism. fuck that. It just means the most educated scientists (nazis) of the time proved that people of Japan were the mightiest of all asian races.
@w00h0012345 You are a mentally sick Japanese alright. In this case you should be sent to the gallow so that your cursed genes will not replicate in the next generation of Japanese bastards. I feel sorry for your parents who have produced you that is worst than a wild animal. I guess that you might have animal blood circulaing in you body which needs Buddha to cleanse you before cremating you.
@TheXanian Lol BTW I would love to see more commie chinese and american pawn korean assfuckers killing each other like they did in the korean war. Less work for us :3.
@TheXanian Dont assume Chinese hate commie, in fact, as of right now they are proud of commie in China because they dont look at the way american view communism. The two world largest countries are communism and they are doing pretty good. In fact, most wars were started by democracy nations. The only war communism started was their own inner struggle to socialism. Just because your surrounded by americans who doesnt know what communism is and just hate it without reasons.
@spike378 Agree with you a lot. This goes the same in Hong Kong, where people don't understand the social theories, and goes on and judge China being evil and stuff. This is in fact a naive behavior, and that the western society is proving themselves to lack the ability to rationally look at matters and only wanting wars to press down others who they think can over power them in the near future. Right now US is triggering anger in the China's near by nations to go against China.
@Gin520 Your knida wrong about Hong Kong, you can only be a governor of hong kong if you have been approved by the PRC government and this has caused a lot of dismay with the people.
@Saitothesushi i don't remember what i said, and when i said anything related to governor...but yes, u are right, PRC chooses who they want, but in my opinion, i think that's better. China don't want a 2nd Taiwan. Not to mention, HK is part of China, thus, HK should have a governor that can work along side with the motherland. But i don't think this is such a big problem, the only problem is that people in HK are just scare for no good reason and want to go against the government.
@Saitothesushi but whatever real reason these people had, doesn't really matter as well. What they are doing is a disturbance to their own city. Disturbing and slowing down improvement process of the HK government, the society...and also disturbing those who had no or little problems with the HK and Chinese government. One thing that HK ppl misunderstood is that Democracy is not about protest and yelling out loud trying to force the government to follow their decisions.
@Gin520 Actually democracy hasn't worked in this case. To protest is a freedom of speech which is allowed in Hong Kong and majority of the people included the younger generation want change in the way the government is run due to them slow the rising living cost and other factors.People don't protest for nothing and it sometime needs these extreme. Anyway the protest are mainly welcome here and you must understand the position hk is in right now.
@Saitothesushi the problem with HK democracy right now is that it's trying to be like Taiwan, protest is ok, if you are protesting to suggest something. but if protest without any good reasons or suggestions, please stay home and don't block the road. and no, it doesn't need to be so extreme, because the government don't have to follow what they say.
@Gin520 NO,You are utterly incorrect. The protest of 2011 have mostly because Mr. Tsang and associates have been doing a below par job and most people would rather, as i've heard, have Mr, Tung as governor(or what ever the head seat is call, can't remember the English name). They are not suggesting, they are telling the governemnt. Every year there is a report on how the government is doing protest in hk and this year it wasn't good.
@Gin520 And it does matter, if you don't rise up and push the government. And funnily enough the protest is because the government is doing a really shit job right now. The housing sector is rising because of speculation the government didn't put a stop to. I mean $4000 hkd per sq foot is a bit ridiculous in the NT. Democracy doen't mean sit in sofa and the government will do everything for you,if you really think that way then you need to watch more news and current affairs.
@Saitothesushi the government is doing a shit job, that i agree. but those who pretest and trying to push back the government are doing more of a shit job. Complain doesn't solve problem if they don't have any suggestions that may actually work. Decomocracy also don't mean that u can go out on the street and disturb the community. If these ppl value their rights, then do something that helps the society. demonstrate how to improve. don't demand selfishly.
@Gin520 No sitting and not doing anything doesn't make a leader, being passive and feebly complaining will not lead you to the path the majority wants, the reason people go to such extremes is they want their message heard not just dismissed. Protesting is right for any country aside for N.korea else you might get shot. I don't care where you live but the chinese have protested may times and the you pressure a chinese person enough they WILL revolt like what happened to some dynasties.
@Saitothesushi want their voice be heard? or want their selfish voice be heard? if you do notice, only one group of ppl will try express their feelings and wants selfishly, while another will be silent. That's becuz the silent group agree to what the government is doing, while the other isn't. Some just like to go against the government. No government in the world will do everything perfectly. and there's no way a government can meet everyone's demand.
@Gin520 No, it's because most of their actions have been imperfect as of late. So you would rather have mainladers continue speculating Hong Kong houses while so people still live in cages homes? There isn't really a silent group in Hong Kong and a protest is not selfish unless its only for personal gain, however the current issue isn't about just themselves its about everyone in general. Its like this, if someone pisses and defecates on your front door would you not act?
@Saitothesushi I don't think i'm incorrect, because i was talking about the general cases, not this particular one that u are talking about. And i don't give a shit who goes up, becuz ppl will just continue with all their actions against whatever the government does. I had not once hear HK ppl not protest, even when the government is doing something good. And i hardly hear much from the ppl who go protest can suggest anything better than the government can.
@Gin520 Then why are you complaining about the protest? Its because so on the reason i stated is why there has been protest. I haven't even given the full list. Every year there is a walk like protest and that rates how the government is doing. Just because there is a protest does not mean its a bad thing. Hk people have the right to protest, i'm not sure where you live but the issues that people are protesting about runs deep. Its not just light hearted issues.
@Saitothesushi Have u ever live outside HK before? if you haven't then u better learn what's happening outside of HK. what u said about the mainlanders, is exactly the same as what the HK ppl did before and are still doing it right now.
@Saitothesushi i'm not going to argue with u about this matter, but if becuz of that HK ppl need to protest, then the whole world need to protest everyday. ppl in Canada who can't buy a home, should protest against the HK ppl, becuz theyraise up the price of houses in Canada.
@Gin520 Actually that would be the mainlanders who you should complain about, type and Hong Kong protest in to google and you'll find that every protest with the reason. don't turn a blind eye to the issues. People protest because their worried about the future, and if you need to protest in Canada then do so, its your democratic right. That is one of the basic right under the capitalist state.
@Saitothesushi sorry, i don't like to be naive and go protest, i rather spend those time and make some more money. if i want something to change, i rather gather up people and do something better for the society, and not waste time on the street yelling. I'm not against that, and i'm not saying it's wrong, but i rather not waste that time. and if u hate the mainlanders so much, please look at what HK ppl are doing too, it's as shameful as mainlanders are.
@Saitothesushi and i got nothing to complain about mainlanders, becuz HK ppl did the same and are still doing the same thing as mainlanders are...if u think we HK ppl are so much better than mainlanders, and that our government should listen to every shit stuff we say. then be my guess, waste ur time. i rather help out those who are in need then to complain so much. u guys are all talk, but no actions, how's this caring for the society?
@Gin520 You talk as if your 12. Protest in not complaining as you thing, and if you don't live here you don't have the full grasp of the issue at stake. The things people say isn't shit, its because of the shit the governement has been doing and your totally going on a tangent. If you say people can't protest then vote shouldn't happen. People are living in stark poverty in HK still, people who have to look through trash to make a living.
@Saitothesushi i talk as if i'm 12? then u talk as if u were 5...i google more than u do, i don't even remember how many times i had been google-ing when i need to do my research. But let me tell u something, a lot of things on media and internet are very misleading. That's why i don't really want to argue about the problems that u mentioned, becuz what u think u know can be very different to what i think i know.
@Saitothesushi and i think u haven't been reading what i said carefully at all...i Never said it's wrong to protest....BUT if u can't suggest better ways...then don't bother to waste ur time on the street protesting...instead, do something for those who are in need...go protest again when u got something to suggest. if u can't read what i'm saying at all, then u really need to practice. I don't know if u are a Uni student or not, but a 22 year old guy should know how to read carefully...
@Saitothesushi u are 22, please be rational, i don't disagree the problems u have told me, i know all these problems are existing in HK, but u got to look outside the box. and u got to look for better ways to solve problems, tell ppl what we can do to change, to improve...don't just tell ppl what the problem is, many ppl know what the problem is...
@Gin520 Look i know what your trying to tell me already, Yes there are other ways but the other ways have already failed, As i've typed, people don't protest for nothing. Chinese people ain't dumb, if they want to be heard they'll make sure. This isn't Canada, things run differently to the States and Canada, for two examples. The problem is Mr. Tsang isn't fixing the problem else HK people would be the happiest in the world.
@Saitothesushi other ways had failed? or that ppl haven't try? protest do seems to be the easier way to approach the government for many ppl... & i'm not suprised that Mr. Tsang can't fix some problems, it doesn't matter how things are run in different countries or cities, no one person or one group can solve everything that others want them to solve. I can tell u, even if the next person that everyone likes and believe in goes up, he/she still can't solve the problems that u guys are hoping for
@Saitothesushi haha, it's better to end this than spamming this wall or our inbox, it was nice debating with u... there are things u know that i don't know...and there are things i know that u don't know... but we are both Chinese, and we are both HK ppl... i only want HK ppl to stand strong on their own, to solve things on their own, instead of asking the government to do it all the time. In my opinion, we HK, and ppl in China, can work well together to change, if we are willing to.
@Gin520 Look what i'm trying to tell you is that the protest of late is 100% justified. I was born in HK and i worry about the suffering every day. In short without the protests in HK things will not change, and things in the political scene hasn't i don't hate Mr.Tsang but he needs to get on the high horse to get my approval. I could list out the issues and say what wrong with them but i won't.In conclusion HK needs the protest or it will be stuck.
@Saitothesushi don't worry, i understand what u mean and i understand what u worry. it's not just HK, I also worry in Canada too, and relatives and frds living in US or other countries. becuz these kind of problems is happening around the world. it is ok to keep protesting, as long we can think of something new to suggest for the government to think about. The issues HK is having, Canada is having too. We are all suffering under ppl with money and power.
@Gin520 Oh,P.s Hk people sometimes dislike mainlanders for their behavior because there were few cases of them pooing in to and bag in public, one in a plane(then handed it to the attendant.) and the sit around everywhere blocking people and buy out the iPad 2 here :( anyway you can find that in the news.
@Saitothesushi i dislike some mainlanders' behavior too, but some HK ppl also behave badly, it's sad to even have them in HK. it's hard to dislike mainlanders' behavior, when there are some HK ppl like that too...
@Saitothesushi like i said, i have family and relatives from HK, mainland and many other places, many had lived through Mao's era, they suffer more than u or many ppl in HK had during the time of deng xiaoping era.. my professor was one of the protester in 1989 near the Tiananmen...even he regraded protesting, becuz they didn't fully understand the problems and didn't think before taking actions. There are many other ways to solve problems then just protest.
@Gin520 My family fled Mao, i've still have relatives that i regard close to me still in the mainland working for the government and i can tell with knowledge that Corruption runs deep in the Mainland thats why people complain about China. The main issue here is the Hong Kong government not acting as its supposed to. That why people protest. Its like the Greece riots, IRA, the london protest, and many more.
@Saitothesushi U are right, corruptions runs deep in China, that includes any countries in the world. Don't be surprised, China isn't the only one. But one thing u "might" not know about is that, Mao's era was basically the best in modern history. the government before Mao, and the government after Mao, are most corrupted.
@Gin520Well, have you heard waterproof covers for light switches, which you must purchase for your factory cause the officials brother makes these? I'm not trying they say China is a shit place don't go there however this is the central issue at hand and well with out these comment China will not improve. Without the people's voice in unity there will be no change. Mao was not a good character, well at least his action lead to millions of deaths. Whether or not he had good intentions i dont know
@Saitothesushi before i end this, i just want to correct what u know, Mao is a great character, he did make one mistake that cause death and suffer, my grandfather is one of them who had suffered. But no doubt, ppl were much happier during his time. and it wasn't within his intention, it was a mistake like we all make. And yes, ppl need to bring out their voice sometimes to change, that's becuz they are "suggesting" that something that will improve.
@Gin520 That's a matter of debate. I want to believe he had good intention but when 70 million brothers and sisters died i question this. Its like the korean department store colapse,the manager didnt intend for it to happen but it was his undercutting that lead to deaths. True people under Deng had food and were happy. Anyway lets end it here i fear we will become the majority comments on this totally irrelevant video.
@Saitothesushi i think u have mistaken the history, i can understand why u think Deng's era was better, becuz of how HK education had taught u. but the fact is that, mainlanders had turn so corrupted, was during the time of Deng, which had led ppl to start doing illegal things to make money, such as kidnapping, killing, cutting out human organs and sell to black market, etc. This i had realize in recent years, that there were some misleading in HK education. but whatever, we aim for future.
@Saitothesushi yes, i know what u mean about most ppl had food, but Mao's era, everyone have food and job, so u have to look at the comparison...Deng's era most ppl have lots of food to eat, and many nearly have no food to eat...or none. Deng was the one who truely open China to the world, that's when huge corruption in China began, and that's why 1989 Tiananmen protest also happened.
@Saitothesushi Another thing u should know, there is no one government ever always acted as they should. What should or what shouldn't, is only our opinions, the government also have their opinions, if they want to do nothing to solve the problems right now, what can u do? protest obviously has shown no effect, becuz the government continues to do stupid things.
@Gin520 so whatever u and i believe in, i just hope things turns out better for HK and China..i'm proud to be Chinese, becuz we got one of the greatest history on earth.
@Saitothesushi and don't tell me becuz i don't live in HK, so i don't know shit happening in HK or China. If u have lived outside of HK, then u might see how there are better ways to deal with things than protest. I am not saying protest is wrong, it's good, BUT there are other better ways to deal with things. 22 years old, be mature, and rational. There's a lot more for u to know outside, even for me...
@Saitothesushi I assume u go protest too, and please read carefully, i never said protest is wrong, u can do all u want, but if u can't suggest anything better, then shut hell up. Protest don't do shit if u can't give a better suggestion for the government. Don't say it's bad to the government when u can't explain the reasons. don't tell me it's running deep, if u guys are just always complaining and can't give anything out.
@Saitothesushi and i can tell u that i'm from HK and i live in Canada. i have frds who protest, and telling me what u told me. however, what i found out is that, whenever u guys protest about something, it's either for selfish demands, for something that u guys don't fully understand or know the history of it. Worst is that u guys don't even know what's going on at the outside world...including our motherland (China)
@Gin520 How old are you? It's not selfish at all when the majority of the people are anger. You have greatly misunderstood the issue here. Lots of people know how the mainland works. Like for example in know main corrupt cases in the mainland mainly cause i have family who live there and work there and so do most other people. There's a reason for everything and usually protest against China are mainlanders who go to HK to protest due to fear of retribution if they did so in China.
@Saitothesushi i'm 25, grad from Uni already...and i think i know more about the corrupted problems in mainland more than u or most HK ppl do. i got relatives who work in mainland from mainland, and work(ed) for military, government and police force of mainland. my parents and relative had lived through the time of Mao era. & if u think China is bad, look at US. Honestly, HK ppl stuck in a little box, u guys still can't see what's outside the box. why the fuck are u guys still looking backward?
@Saitothesushi it's perfectly normal for u or others to be anger at the CHinese government or HK government, that i understand. What i really want to say is that, it's ok that u guys go protest and express. that's one of the rights and freedom that we have. however, if we don't have anything good to suggest, and we can't explain why it's bad, then don't go out and yell or block the road. instead, do something better for the society, plan something for the ppl now and ppl in the future.
@Gin520 I'll lay out the bread crumbs for you and tell you why. The housing prices are soaring. Wealth gap is widening. Some more important issue in Hk affairs are acted upon last. theres a reason, as i've said search google and you'll find the reasons there. You treat people from HK as if their stupid and that just because you live in Canada and can't grasp the issue, does not mean their protest is unjustified. I really stress it, GO ON GOOGLE AND LOOK ITS UP.
@Saitothesushi u guys can use all the feelings u have to go protest, i agree that the government is shit. that goes the same for every government around the world. and i can tell u that the Canada government is much shitty than the HK one...Canada government can't even do anything right, and is wasting money every year, and guess what...We pay high tax for the government to waste on useless things.
@Saitothesushi u can express all u want, but the best way to do it is to demonstrate the things u want to say through effective actions. Example, around 15-20 years ago, a Chinese guy living in Canada opened up a elderly home, his support the democracy. Instead of protesting, and yelling out any selfish demands. He expressed to the government by collecting donation to build the elderly home. And now the government notice the need and is supporting him.
@Saitothesushi do u see what i mean? we are not living in N.Korea, we are living in a more civilized environment. If these ppl can't act like a civilized person, then they might as well go live as a barbarian. everyone say their voice needs to be heard, then who should the government listen to? U can demand, U can ask, u can hate what the government is doing, but don't cause problems for others and to the home, to the city they live in.
@Saitothesushi the good thing about democracy is to allow the ruler or government to hear the different opinions and needs of the citizens. It doesn't mean the governor needs to follow what they want just becuz they think it's better for them. We look at the whole society, not individuals. Protest is fine too, if they suggest something, but a pretest with only complains and nothing supportive, seriously, they should go home and use their brain.
@Gin520 Again, i don't like calling people's opinions wrong but that is incorrect once again. This protest is fine, most people support it if not majority. A.living costs have been going up due to rent which in turn is due to speculation which in turn is due to foreigners buying lots of homes then selling them for higher prices thus the housing demand is greater which in turn drives the housing prices up even further. B. The police aren't doing such a good job, however this rumour i've heard .
@spike378 Uh, no - most wars are not started by democracies. In fact, that's the exact opposite of truth. Look up 'democratic peace theory', for instance. Also, the world's largest nation, China, is only nominally communist, and the second, India, is a democratic nation made up of federated states. After that is the USA, and then Indonesia, neither of which is communist.
And communism should be hated. It's wrong. It doesn't work. When it is tried, lots of people die.
@spike378 Two largest nations are China and India... India is hardly commies. Soviet Union is gone and soon will be Chicoms and they are more capitalist than commie now.
This morning I was thinking about this internet debate and I feel really sorry. Those korean nationalists insulted me and then I insulted them...I mean this whole thing seems to be so stupid. Both Chinese and Koreans claim that we know the true history, but in the end we might be both wrong. This whole debate is pointless. I feel really sorry for this, I wasn't meaned to insult anyone, I was too angry at that moment and I couldn't control my emotions.
Commies don't even care about the claims that Koreans made, they don't protect Chinese culture, all they care are money and GDP. Those fucking commies also destroyed a lot of Chinese traditions.
I love the traditional Han Chinese culture and I want to protect my culture, and I hate to see those filthy commies who destroyed our traditions and the korean nationalists who claim our traditions as their own.
I was trying to be polite with your korean nationalists, and I took my time to argue with those racist korean nationalists, but since that you and some your fellow koreans insulted me, I have no choice but to insult you as well.
How many times should I repeat? You don't understand English or what? I'm NOT a commie and I HATE commies. Commies are dictators. Commies killed many Han Chinese.
I already posted many anti-commie comments on Chinese forums, this might cause me serious problems, but I don't care. Stop your ignorant stereotype, NOT ALL THE CHINESE ARE COMMIES, MANY CHINESE ALSO DISLIKE COMMIES, IS THAT CLEAR???
See? You are saying you are wasting time yet you aren't going to stop. You are just leaving this video. You are the same as Korean nationalist. You are a Chinese version of the same damned thing.
I'm sure you'll find many other Koreans or whoever to start an argument.
But I'll give you advice. Read your comments and figure out where you exactly stand. You may not think so, but when everyone reads your comments you are lying to yourself. You hate commie China but praise their nationalistic historical agenda. It is important to figure out that perhaps you are one of them nationalists. You will be more certain about history afterwards.
COMMIES ARE DEFINATELY NOT NATIONALISTIC. THEY KILLED MANY HAN CHINESE, AND THEY GAVE MANY PRIVILEDGES TO MINORITIES. MANY HAN CHINESE DISLIKE COMMIES.
Calm buddy. We aren't fighting. I know that. I even have real life Chinese friends dislike the government. That's not what I'm talking about. How long have you lived in English speaking country?
I want to change my advice. Learn English Comprehension. It will be useful.
I'm bringing it up because there is a connection. You are saying you have no connection and you bring them in yourself as well.
Stop the contradictions. And stfu. Don't you realize I'm telling you to stop embarrassing yourself?
I'm not spoiling any chinese video. Why are you claiming this video as Chinese? If you are going to even criticize me, figure out where I stand. But then again, you lack the understanding to figure out where you are yourself.
theaimless ~ lier
criminalproceduer 1 month ago
The Hwacha was developed in China and called Huoche. The Chinese had multiple designs, including those with low trajectories for close-range combat and high trajectories for long range.
TheAimlessRoad 1 month ago
Asian. :D
ongyushen 1 month ago
thekoreans made that,it is called the hwacha. Watch the movie Divine Weapon. They also made the first missle that can go i think about at least 1000 yards.
andrewpark35 1 month ago
@andrewpark35 the movie Divine Weapon is a joke.
lonewar 2 weeks ago
@lonewar lol just saying that the chinese made gunpowder but the koreans made the first hwacha and missle
andrewpark35 2 weeks ago
@andrewpark35 did you know that in ancient time,korea is a poor,primitive country depending almost everything on china?even the korean emperor must be qualified by the chinese to be a leader.look at the ancient korean culture,can you name out nothing that is completely out of the strong chinese influence?the korean writting system,painting,calligraphy,costume,food are all originated from china.
iamxieqi 2 days ago
@iamxieqi and your wrong.get your history and facts right
andrewpark35 1 day ago
dude the rocket was also the chinese technology, not korean's!
KiraYamato636 1 month ago
lol untill chinese ppl invent something we are just impruving their acient products and making them more efficient xD
hristijank2 1 month ago
@hristijank2 copycat
scherz91 4 weeks ago
RPG shotgun?
quangluu96 1 month ago
@CrimsonGuard1992 I think it's not the explosion that is big, there was not much of a shock-wave,I think It's the flame that's big. My guess is a lot of phosphoric elements was added like how a firework blows except the flashy colors and this time it was designed to set people on fire.
but I'm not sure, I'm not an Explosives Expert.
tops1028 2 months ago
@tops1028 it is funny how it sounds "to set people on fire" xD
hristijank2 1 month ago
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ThePieMaster219 3 months ago
if you like this
please watch the video titled
Tipu Sultan (d.1799) Weapons Research, Warrior Empire
it is interesting believe me
manzha 3 months ago
8:06-8:13 No hell in way a tiny arrow rocket like that with a small powder charge can make an explosion that big.
CrimsonGuard1992 5 months ago 10
@CrimsonGuard1992 It can.. if it lands on another bomb ;)
knarkis90 4 months ago
@CrimsonGuard1992 4-5 inches of black powder (gunpowder) is a lot my friend so it can make that big of a explosion
GalataA5LANSaray 3 months ago
@GalataA5LANSaray -But a lot of it is used as a propellant. So there wont be much left for the explosion.
CrimsonGuard1992 3 months ago
@CrimsonGuard1992 It's all of them together that does it.
TheCryptidman 2 months ago
@TheCryptidman Look at the video again. Near the end it shows just one rocket hitting the target and making that big of an explosion.
CrimsonGuard1992 2 months ago
@CrimsonGuard1992
lol I think History channel took liberty in exaggeration again....
arescraft 2 weeks ago
@CrimsonGuard1992
Ofcourse not , but maybe it shoots on something with flamable stuff in it ? And when the burning rocket/arrow hits it , it explodes?
rapisthebestinnl 18 hours ago
Didn't the mongol take alot of chinese siege engineers and personnel with them on their campaigns? I remember reading this somewhere.
henkez 5 months ago
@henkez most of them were hired or switched allegiance, tho some were forced into it.
there were some noted chinese generals in mongol ranks too.
tdzheng 4 months ago
@henkez They captured chinese engineers and they took their technology against them
TheSuperieur 4 months ago
I hope I have the right to get rid of these non-related political comments here
Yvesyew 5 months ago
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Yvesyew 6 months ago
What Documentry is this from anyways?
Iching100 7 months ago
korea was a vassal state to China and China protected them twice from Japanese invasion. So i wont be surprise Korean have Chinese technologies and made it their own version. Im not implying they are copying but made it to suit their needs.
spike378 7 months ago
AMERICA ROCKS!!!
XWHITEoKNIGHTX19 7 months ago
Well ppl the reason why the Korean Hwacha is called the first is because it shoots arrows that explodes on impact much like a modern rocket compared to the Chinese equivalent weapons before which were simple arrows
Xmk2123 7 months ago
You are a Jap of devil breed, which should be burnt to ash by fire from Heaven. This ash is then washed into the sea and be forgotten.
whoisme38 8 months ago
Koreans always think everything is invented in Korea...sign...
AustGuyTang 8 months ago
@AustGuyTang as a Korean (albeit Korean-American) I'm slightly offended...
Actually after learning about ancient rocket technology I did the research and traced it all back to the Chinese, though the Hwacha was used in Korea as well
elesararwos 8 months ago
@elesararwos countries use alot of chinese stuff around the world. paper, compass, gunpowder, wheel barrows, porcelain and thousands more.
jobjed 7 months ago
@jobjed I know that
The Chinese were innovative and powerful; they just weren't that ambitious once they had what they needed
elesararwos 7 months ago
@elesararwos which is y half the world isnt speaking chinese but instead spanish, portugese, english and french. the chinese were culturally not aggressive but instead looked for trade and friendship. zheng he landed in australia 200 years before the europeans but it was the europeans which colonised australia and not china.
jobjed 7 months ago
@elesararwos offended by what?
spike378 7 months ago
@spike378 the thought that Koreans don't know their own technology
some of us do our research
oh well it's nothing big :/
elesararwos 7 months ago
2:08 HHHHWWAAACCCHHAAA!!!!!!!
MrSciencetificsasuke 8 months ago
it's true gunpowder were used as weapons first in China. But during the Joseon Dynasty Koreans invented Rockets using Gunpowder, and They used Gunpowder using Firearms against Japanese Pirates and were victorius
rlatndnsxo 8 months ago
@rlatndnsxo
No, rockets were still invented in China. Same for the rocket-wagon. The Koreans made a large version of the rocket wagon and called it the Hwacha.
Intranetusa 8 months ago
@Intranetusa Hwa cha is not the rocket I am talking about, Hwacha is a rocket propelling "car" that shoots multiple rockets which are ignited by fire. I am talking about Shin Gi Jeon,( the divine weapon) It is a single rocket similar to a Modern day Rocket Missile.
rlatndnsxo 8 months ago
@rlatndnsxo
The Shin Gi Jeon is the rocket that is fired by the Hwacha...which was invented by the Song.
The Ming also had multistage rockets..that 'fire-dragon issuing from the water' thing used by the Ming navy.
Intranetusa 8 months ago
It became a distortion!! 'Wagon' = 'singijeon' was invented in Korea! No! China
henzo12korea 8 months ago
@00h0012345 the fact that you have so many enemies here reflects that you are a useless SCUM..yea, i like imagining japenis dogs like you licking american shits.... useless to society?? it seems that you are more like it, what is the VALUE of a SUICIDER like you to the society?? dog like you is better off dying...with your fucking childish mentality you will go nowhere, always assume and that's what ignorant coward like you do best
manchewl 9 months ago
@w00h0012345 that's the FACT..i bet low japenis dog like you are struggling to accept the truth...i'm not like japenis cowards who commit suicide whn things don't work out, isn't that what japenis LOSERS do best?? after all these yrs you still retain that fucking culture of committing suicide...lmao!!! ....your ppl are losers, you have no say in the UN security council and limited military power, what else could you dogs do besides kissing american ass...
manchewl 9 months ago
@manchewl It seems you HAVE acknowledged the fact you are useless to society, yet you will not kill yourself.
It's because of unwilling peasants like you depopulation is a priority. Hopefully you will get injected with mercury the next time you visit the doctors.
Though I find it quite amusing you keep mentioning dogs licking feces off american assholes. You sure like that image, don't ya', ya notty notty boii ~~ ;D
w00h0012345 9 months ago
@w00h0012345 most of the time it's just the american doing all the works, i don't see any japenis dogs fighting a war... even if you want you are just too WEAK ...japen is are nothing but american dogs who only bark when their master the americans allow it..LMAO!! japenis live with no pride and dignity, after being nuked and now you are american dogs.
manchewl 9 months ago
@manchewl wow. u sure are mad.
Please refrain from revealing your illiteracy by posting these abominations on youtube, you hydrocephalic waste of zygote.
As your superior, I command you to do society a favor and kill yourself.
w00h0012345 9 months ago
@w00h0012345 superior?? i don't see anything superior bout the japenis dogs who kiss american ass...without army and economy deteriorating, japenis are the SHIT of ASIA...the Nazis were strong whereas japenis dogs like you proved no threat to the western world...it was because USA and the Brits were concentrating on the europe battlefield, japenis dogs had the chance to ambush USA...without germany buying you some time all japenis dogs would have died within months..i hope you like the NUKEs dog
manchewl 9 months ago
this is not Chinese its Korean!
ghkvl3737 9 months ago
awwwwwwwww sheeeet
ervin920 9 months ago
so this all hell were begin to China!!!
babaaj 9 months ago
Arguing proves ignorance. No matter what country you are - especially Chinese and Korean - take it how knowledge our ancestors were in the military battlefield. Personally, I am Chinese, and (incl. Koreans) will take pride in this.
genfranky 9 months ago
made in china
venick8827 10 months ago
I feel sorry for this and I already removed some of my extreme comments. It's normal that everyone prefers their own ethnicity, but sometimes we should control our emotions and we shouldn't hurt the feelings of others. Both sides need to stop this pointless debate. Can't we just shut up and watch this video?
TheXanian 10 months ago
@TheXanian YES, you're right. This debate is useless. Why? Because everyone knows that slant eyed korean and chinese faggots are inferior to the TRUE PURE ARYANS of the east, the Japanese. Chinese? You shitheads are outdated, poor as fuck communists. Go sell fecal matter infected toys to some third world country huh? Koreans? HA don't even start. EVERYTHING IN KOREA IS COPIED FROM JAPAN. Lol those dumb bastards can't even support themselves. AND TAKESHIMA, not "dokdo" (what the fuck?) is OURS.
w00h0012345 9 months ago
@w00h0012345
Japanese are Aryans????? LOL
Genetics have already proven that Japanese are pure Asians. Japanese have about 30% O2b, 20% O3, 35% D2, 5% C1, and very few C3 and N. All of these haplogroups are typical Asian haplogroups.
Racist jap faggot, get a life!!!!!
TheXanian 9 months ago 2
@TheXanian Lol nice thanks for refferring to Wikipedia faggot.
During World War 2, scientists such as Heinrich Himmler of our greatest, most powerful ally Nazi Germany have found that Japanese blood had many similar qualities to that of Aryan blood. We have been dubbed as "Masters of the Orient" or "Aryans of the East."
LOL you're chinese, so you'll always be a fuckin red. Go suck Mao ZeDONG's mighty cock and masturbate in your worker shared rice fields faggot.
w00h0012345 9 months ago
@w00h0012345
I don't believe in your nazi shit, I only believe in genetics.
Genetics proved that Japanese are pure Asians.
TheXanian 9 months ago
@TheXanian It's ideology, not genetics.
"Masters of the Orient" meaning the Japanese are the superior ASIAN race. Aryans were the "pure" EUROPEAN race, so himmler dubbed us, their unstoppable ally "Aryans of the East." Without us, nazi germany would have been fucked. It's a nickname, you uneducated commie.
That doesn't mean I endorse nazism. fuck that. It just means the most educated scientists (nazis) of the time proved that people of Japan were the mightiest of all asian races.
w00h0012345 9 months ago
@w00h0012345 You are a mentally sick Japanese alright. In this case you should be sent to the gallow so that your cursed genes will not replicate in the next generation of Japanese bastards. I feel sorry for your parents who have produced you that is worst than a wild animal. I guess that you might have animal blood circulaing in you body which needs Buddha to cleanse you before cremating you.
whoisme38 9 months ago
@whoisme38 maybe i do ;]. ujelly, faggot?
w00h0012345 9 months ago
@w00h0012345
Why everyone thinks that Chinese are commies? Only some Chinese are commies, and only a few Chinese actually believe in the stupid communism.
Personally, I hate commies and I hate the autocratic commie government. I know that many Chinese also dislike commies.
"Chinese = commies" is just an ignorant stereotype.
TheXanian 9 months ago
@TheXanian Lol BTW I would love to see more commie chinese and american pawn korean assfuckers killing each other like they did in the korean war. Less work for us :3.
w00h0012345 9 months ago
@TheXanian Dont assume Chinese hate commie, in fact, as of right now they are proud of commie in China because they dont look at the way american view communism. The two world largest countries are communism and they are doing pretty good. In fact, most wars were started by democracy nations. The only war communism started was their own inner struggle to socialism. Just because your surrounded by americans who doesnt know what communism is and just hate it without reasons.
spike378 7 months ago 12
@spike378 Agree with you a lot. This goes the same in Hong Kong, where people don't understand the social theories, and goes on and judge China being evil and stuff. This is in fact a naive behavior, and that the western society is proving themselves to lack the ability to rationally look at matters and only wanting wars to press down others who they think can over power them in the near future. Right now US is triggering anger in the China's near by nations to go against China.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 Your knida wrong about Hong Kong, you can only be a governor of hong kong if you have been approved by the PRC government and this has caused a lot of dismay with the people.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi i don't remember what i said, and when i said anything related to governor...but yes, u are right, PRC chooses who they want, but in my opinion, i think that's better. China don't want a 2nd Taiwan. Not to mention, HK is part of China, thus, HK should have a governor that can work along side with the motherland. But i don't think this is such a big problem, the only problem is that people in HK are just scare for no good reason and want to go against the government.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi but whatever real reason these people had, doesn't really matter as well. What they are doing is a disturbance to their own city. Disturbing and slowing down improvement process of the HK government, the society...and also disturbing those who had no or little problems with the HK and Chinese government. One thing that HK ppl misunderstood is that Democracy is not about protest and yelling out loud trying to force the government to follow their decisions.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 Actually democracy hasn't worked in this case. To protest is a freedom of speech which is allowed in Hong Kong and majority of the people included the younger generation want change in the way the government is run due to them slow the rising living cost and other factors.People don't protest for nothing and it sometime needs these extreme. Anyway the protest are mainly welcome here and you must understand the position hk is in right now.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi the problem with HK democracy right now is that it's trying to be like Taiwan, protest is ok, if you are protesting to suggest something. but if protest without any good reasons or suggestions, please stay home and don't block the road. and no, it doesn't need to be so extreme, because the government don't have to follow what they say.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 NO,You are utterly incorrect. The protest of 2011 have mostly because Mr. Tsang and associates have been doing a below par job and most people would rather, as i've heard, have Mr, Tung as governor(or what ever the head seat is call, can't remember the English name). They are not suggesting, they are telling the governemnt. Every year there is a report on how the government is doing protest in hk and this year it wasn't good.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Gin520 And it does matter, if you don't rise up and push the government. And funnily enough the protest is because the government is doing a really shit job right now. The housing sector is rising because of speculation the government didn't put a stop to. I mean $4000 hkd per sq foot is a bit ridiculous in the NT. Democracy doen't mean sit in sofa and the government will do everything for you,if you really think that way then you need to watch more news and current affairs.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi the government is doing a shit job, that i agree. but those who pretest and trying to push back the government are doing more of a shit job. Complain doesn't solve problem if they don't have any suggestions that may actually work. Decomocracy also don't mean that u can go out on the street and disturb the community. If these ppl value their rights, then do something that helps the society. demonstrate how to improve. don't demand selfishly.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 No sitting and not doing anything doesn't make a leader, being passive and feebly complaining will not lead you to the path the majority wants, the reason people go to such extremes is they want their message heard not just dismissed. Protesting is right for any country aside for N.korea else you might get shot. I don't care where you live but the chinese have protested may times and the you pressure a chinese person enough they WILL revolt like what happened to some dynasties.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi want their voice be heard? or want their selfish voice be heard? if you do notice, only one group of ppl will try express their feelings and wants selfishly, while another will be silent. That's becuz the silent group agree to what the government is doing, while the other isn't. Some just like to go against the government. No government in the world will do everything perfectly. and there's no way a government can meet everyone's demand.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 No, it's because most of their actions have been imperfect as of late. So you would rather have mainladers continue speculating Hong Kong houses while so people still live in cages homes? There isn't really a silent group in Hong Kong and a protest is not selfish unless its only for personal gain, however the current issue isn't about just themselves its about everyone in general. Its like this, if someone pisses and defecates on your front door would you not act?
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi I don't think i'm incorrect, because i was talking about the general cases, not this particular one that u are talking about. And i don't give a shit who goes up, becuz ppl will just continue with all their actions against whatever the government does. I had not once hear HK ppl not protest, even when the government is doing something good. And i hardly hear much from the ppl who go protest can suggest anything better than the government can.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 Then why are you complaining about the protest? Its because so on the reason i stated is why there has been protest. I haven't even given the full list. Every year there is a walk like protest and that rates how the government is doing. Just because there is a protest does not mean its a bad thing. Hk people have the right to protest, i'm not sure where you live but the issues that people are protesting about runs deep. Its not just light hearted issues.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi Have u ever live outside HK before? if you haven't then u better learn what's happening outside of HK. what u said about the mainlanders, is exactly the same as what the HK ppl did before and are still doing it right now.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi i'm not going to argue with u about this matter, but if becuz of that HK ppl need to protest, then the whole world need to protest everyday. ppl in Canada who can't buy a home, should protest against the HK ppl, becuz theyraise up the price of houses in Canada.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 Actually that would be the mainlanders who you should complain about, type and Hong Kong protest in to google and you'll find that every protest with the reason. don't turn a blind eye to the issues. People protest because their worried about the future, and if you need to protest in Canada then do so, its your democratic right. That is one of the basic right under the capitalist state.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi sorry, i don't like to be naive and go protest, i rather spend those time and make some more money. if i want something to change, i rather gather up people and do something better for the society, and not waste time on the street yelling. I'm not against that, and i'm not saying it's wrong, but i rather not waste that time. and if u hate the mainlanders so much, please look at what HK ppl are doing too, it's as shameful as mainlanders are.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi and i got nothing to complain about mainlanders, becuz HK ppl did the same and are still doing the same thing as mainlanders are...if u think we HK ppl are so much better than mainlanders, and that our government should listen to every shit stuff we say. then be my guess, waste ur time. i rather help out those who are in need then to complain so much. u guys are all talk, but no actions, how's this caring for the society?
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 You talk as if your 12. Protest in not complaining as you thing, and if you don't live here you don't have the full grasp of the issue at stake. The things people say isn't shit, its because of the shit the governement has been doing and your totally going on a tangent. If you say people can't protest then vote shouldn't happen. People are living in stark poverty in HK still, people who have to look through trash to make a living.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi i talk as if i'm 12? then u talk as if u were 5...i google more than u do, i don't even remember how many times i had been google-ing when i need to do my research. But let me tell u something, a lot of things on media and internet are very misleading. That's why i don't really want to argue about the problems that u mentioned, becuz what u think u know can be very different to what i think i know.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi and i think u haven't been reading what i said carefully at all...i Never said it's wrong to protest....BUT if u can't suggest better ways...then don't bother to waste ur time on the street protesting...instead, do something for those who are in need...go protest again when u got something to suggest. if u can't read what i'm saying at all, then u really need to practice. I don't know if u are a Uni student or not, but a 22 year old guy should know how to read carefully...
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi u are 22, please be rational, i don't disagree the problems u have told me, i know all these problems are existing in HK, but u got to look outside the box. and u got to look for better ways to solve problems, tell ppl what we can do to change, to improve...don't just tell ppl what the problem is, many ppl know what the problem is...
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 Look i know what your trying to tell me already, Yes there are other ways but the other ways have already failed, As i've typed, people don't protest for nothing. Chinese people ain't dumb, if they want to be heard they'll make sure. This isn't Canada, things run differently to the States and Canada, for two examples. The problem is Mr. Tsang isn't fixing the problem else HK people would be the happiest in the world.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi other ways had failed? or that ppl haven't try? protest do seems to be the easier way to approach the government for many ppl... & i'm not suprised that Mr. Tsang can't fix some problems, it doesn't matter how things are run in different countries or cities, no one person or one group can solve everything that others want them to solve. I can tell u, even if the next person that everyone likes and believe in goes up, he/she still can't solve the problems that u guys are hoping for
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 how bout we send our messages via the inbox, dont wanna spam this wall full of this stuff.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi haha, it's better to end this than spamming this wall or our inbox, it was nice debating with u... there are things u know that i don't know...and there are things i know that u don't know... but we are both Chinese, and we are both HK ppl... i only want HK ppl to stand strong on their own, to solve things on their own, instead of asking the government to do it all the time. In my opinion, we HK, and ppl in China, can work well together to change, if we are willing to.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 Look what i'm trying to tell you is that the protest of late is 100% justified. I was born in HK and i worry about the suffering every day. In short without the protests in HK things will not change, and things in the political scene hasn't i don't hate Mr.Tsang but he needs to get on the high horse to get my approval. I could list out the issues and say what wrong with them but i won't.In conclusion HK needs the protest or it will be stuck.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi don't worry, i understand what u mean and i understand what u worry. it's not just HK, I also worry in Canada too, and relatives and frds living in US or other countries. becuz these kind of problems is happening around the world. it is ok to keep protesting, as long we can think of something new to suggest for the government to think about. The issues HK is having, Canada is having too. We are all suffering under ppl with money and power.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 Oh,P.s Hk people sometimes dislike mainlanders for their behavior because there were few cases of them pooing in to and bag in public, one in a plane(then handed it to the attendant.) and the sit around everywhere blocking people and buy out the iPad 2 here :( anyway you can find that in the news.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi i dislike some mainlanders' behavior too, but some HK ppl also behave badly, it's sad to even have them in HK. it's hard to dislike mainlanders' behavior, when there are some HK ppl like that too...
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 Its mainly people who don't do that stuff that dislike its but end it here ok. Nice talking(typing) to you have best of wishes.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi best of luck to u too...and enjoy every moment either it's bad or good...
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi like i said, i have family and relatives from HK, mainland and many other places, many had lived through Mao's era, they suffer more than u or many ppl in HK had during the time of deng xiaoping era.. my professor was one of the protester in 1989 near the Tiananmen...even he regraded protesting, becuz they didn't fully understand the problems and didn't think before taking actions. There are many other ways to solve problems then just protest.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 My family fled Mao, i've still have relatives that i regard close to me still in the mainland working for the government and i can tell with knowledge that Corruption runs deep in the Mainland thats why people complain about China. The main issue here is the Hong Kong government not acting as its supposed to. That why people protest. Its like the Greece riots, IRA, the london protest, and many more.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi U are right, corruptions runs deep in China, that includes any countries in the world. Don't be surprised, China isn't the only one. But one thing u "might" not know about is that, Mao's era was basically the best in modern history. the government before Mao, and the government after Mao, are most corrupted.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520Well, have you heard waterproof covers for light switches, which you must purchase for your factory cause the officials brother makes these? I'm not trying they say China is a shit place don't go there however this is the central issue at hand and well with out these comment China will not improve. Without the people's voice in unity there will be no change. Mao was not a good character, well at least his action lead to millions of deaths. Whether or not he had good intentions i dont know
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi before i end this, i just want to correct what u know, Mao is a great character, he did make one mistake that cause death and suffer, my grandfather is one of them who had suffered. But no doubt, ppl were much happier during his time. and it wasn't within his intention, it was a mistake like we all make. And yes, ppl need to bring out their voice sometimes to change, that's becuz they are "suggesting" that something that will improve.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 That's a matter of debate. I want to believe he had good intention but when 70 million brothers and sisters died i question this. Its like the korean department store colapse,the manager didnt intend for it to happen but it was his undercutting that lead to deaths. True people under Deng had food and were happy. Anyway lets end it here i fear we will become the majority comments on this totally irrelevant video.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi i think u have mistaken the history, i can understand why u think Deng's era was better, becuz of how HK education had taught u. but the fact is that, mainlanders had turn so corrupted, was during the time of Deng, which had led ppl to start doing illegal things to make money, such as kidnapping, killing, cutting out human organs and sell to black market, etc. This i had realize in recent years, that there were some misleading in HK education. but whatever, we aim for future.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 No i was referring to how most people had food to eat, albeit not much where as some people now have non.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi yes, i know what u mean about most ppl had food, but Mao's era, everyone have food and job, so u have to look at the comparison...Deng's era most ppl have lots of food to eat, and many nearly have no food to eat...or none. Deng was the one who truely open China to the world, that's when huge corruption in China began, and that's why 1989 Tiananmen protest also happened.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi Another thing u should know, there is no one government ever always acted as they should. What should or what shouldn't, is only our opinions, the government also have their opinions, if they want to do nothing to solve the problems right now, what can u do? protest obviously has shown no effect, becuz the government continues to do stupid things.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 so whatever u and i believe in, i just hope things turns out better for HK and China..i'm proud to be Chinese, becuz we got one of the greatest history on earth.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi and don't tell me becuz i don't live in HK, so i don't know shit happening in HK or China. If u have lived outside of HK, then u might see how there are better ways to deal with things than protest. I am not saying protest is wrong, it's good, BUT there are other better ways to deal with things. 22 years old, be mature, and rational. There's a lot more for u to know outside, even for me...
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 P.S.S i only attended kindergarten here not primary and secondary nor tertiary.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi I assume u go protest too, and please read carefully, i never said protest is wrong, u can do all u want, but if u can't suggest anything better, then shut hell up. Protest don't do shit if u can't give a better suggestion for the government. Don't say it's bad to the government when u can't explain the reasons. don't tell me it's running deep, if u guys are just always complaining and can't give anything out.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi and i can tell u that i'm from HK and i live in Canada. i have frds who protest, and telling me what u told me. however, what i found out is that, whenever u guys protest about something, it's either for selfish demands, for something that u guys don't fully understand or know the history of it. Worst is that u guys don't even know what's going on at the outside world...including our motherland (China)
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 How old are you? It's not selfish at all when the majority of the people are anger. You have greatly misunderstood the issue here. Lots of people know how the mainland works. Like for example in know main corrupt cases in the mainland mainly cause i have family who live there and work there and so do most other people. There's a reason for everything and usually protest against China are mainlanders who go to HK to protest due to fear of retribution if they did so in China.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi i'm 25, grad from Uni already...and i think i know more about the corrupted problems in mainland more than u or most HK ppl do. i got relatives who work in mainland from mainland, and work(ed) for military, government and police force of mainland. my parents and relative had lived through the time of Mao era. & if u think China is bad, look at US. Honestly, HK ppl stuck in a little box, u guys still can't see what's outside the box. why the fuck are u guys still looking backward?
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi it's perfectly normal for u or others to be anger at the CHinese government or HK government, that i understand. What i really want to say is that, it's ok that u guys go protest and express. that's one of the rights and freedom that we have. however, if we don't have anything good to suggest, and we can't explain why it's bad, then don't go out and yell or block the road. instead, do something better for the society, plan something for the ppl now and ppl in the future.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 I'll lay out the bread crumbs for you and tell you why. The housing prices are soaring. Wealth gap is widening. Some more important issue in Hk affairs are acted upon last. theres a reason, as i've said search google and you'll find the reasons there. You treat people from HK as if their stupid and that just because you live in Canada and can't grasp the issue, does not mean their protest is unjustified. I really stress it, GO ON GOOGLE AND LOOK ITS UP.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Gin520 put "Hong Kong 1 July marches" into wikipedia, look at the article. Its very accurate in terms of the issues. That is all my friend.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi u guys can use all the feelings u have to go protest, i agree that the government is shit. that goes the same for every government around the world. and i can tell u that the Canada government is much shitty than the HK one...Canada government can't even do anything right, and is wasting money every year, and guess what...We pay high tax for the government to waste on useless things.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi u can express all u want, but the best way to do it is to demonstrate the things u want to say through effective actions. Example, around 15-20 years ago, a Chinese guy living in Canada opened up a elderly home, his support the democracy. Instead of protesting, and yelling out any selfish demands. He expressed to the government by collecting donation to build the elderly home. And now the government notice the need and is supporting him.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi do u see what i mean? we are not living in N.Korea, we are living in a more civilized environment. If these ppl can't act like a civilized person, then they might as well go live as a barbarian. everyone say their voice needs to be heard, then who should the government listen to? U can demand, U can ask, u can hate what the government is doing, but don't cause problems for others and to the home, to the city they live in.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Saitothesushi the good thing about democracy is to allow the ruler or government to hear the different opinions and needs of the citizens. It doesn't mean the governor needs to follow what they want just becuz they think it's better for them. We look at the whole society, not individuals. Protest is fine too, if they suggest something, but a pretest with only complains and nothing supportive, seriously, they should go home and use their brain.
Gin520 7 months ago
@Gin520 Again, i don't like calling people's opinions wrong but that is incorrect once again. This protest is fine, most people support it if not majority. A.living costs have been going up due to rent which in turn is due to speculation which in turn is due to foreigners buying lots of homes then selling them for higher prices thus the housing demand is greater which in turn drives the housing prices up even further. B. The police aren't doing such a good job, however this rumour i've heard .
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@Gin520 And cannot prove its validity.
Saitothesushi 7 months ago
@spike378
mao !
stalin!
xTemplar1 6 months ago
@spike378 Uh, no - most wars are not started by democracies. In fact, that's the exact opposite of truth. Look up 'democratic peace theory', for instance. Also, the world's largest nation, China, is only nominally communist, and the second, India, is a democratic nation made up of federated states. After that is the USA, and then Indonesia, neither of which is communist.
And communism should be hated. It's wrong. It doesn't work. When it is tried, lots of people die.
blackjamm 6 months ago
@spike378 Two largest nations are China and India... India is hardly commies. Soviet Union is gone and soon will be Chicoms and they are more capitalist than commie now.
stalkingalizee 6 months ago
@spike378 im a chinese and i hate communism
NoShame86 3 months ago
@NoShame86 just a simple question, if u are chinese how come there is a picture of what i assume to be american person holding a guitar???
sanxcoltd 3 months ago
@spike378 actually that might not be true, some ppl hate Commie and some don't in China.
canadianfirzen 3 months ago
@w00h0012345
And I totally don't care about the dokdo or the takeshima island, it's your problem.
It would be funny to watch a japanese nationalist and a korean nationalist arguing over this tiny rocky island.
TheXanian 9 months ago
@TheXanian heh no argument needed. just need to slice the koreans' tiny dicks off with my katana.
w00h0012345 9 months ago
This morning I was thinking about this internet debate and I feel really sorry. Those korean nationalists insulted me and then I insulted them...I mean this whole thing seems to be so stupid. Both Chinese and Koreans claim that we know the true history, but in the end we might be both wrong. This whole debate is pointless. I feel really sorry for this, I wasn't meaned to insult anyone, I was too angry at that moment and I couldn't control my emotions.
TheXanian 10 months ago
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TheXanian 10 months ago
@grapeace
Commies don't even care about the claims that Koreans made, they don't protect Chinese culture, all they care are money and GDP. Those fucking commies also destroyed a lot of Chinese traditions.
I love the traditional Han Chinese culture and I want to protect my culture, and I hate to see those filthy commies who destroyed our traditions and the korean nationalists who claim our traditions as their own.
TheXanian 10 months ago
@TheXanian
after studying Chinese history, i would say its time for China to have a revolution! Its a very credible concept to keep a government system in order
animesis 9 months ago
...Why was I talking to a retard. -.-
grapeace 10 months ago
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TheXanian 10 months ago
@TheXanian
Look who is the nationalist.
:/
Ok. That's enough to prove my point.
:)
Me 1 - 0 Nationalists
grapeace 10 months ago
@grapeace
You and your fellow koreans insulted us and distort our history, I just want to fight back and to defend my culture, as simple as that.
TheXanian 10 months ago
@grapeace
I was trying to be polite with your korean nationalists, and I took my time to argue with those racist korean nationalists, but since that you and some your fellow koreans insulted me, I have no choice but to insult you as well.
TheXanian 10 months ago
@grapeace
If you and other korean nationalists could just shut up, I promise that I would leave this video.
TheXanian 10 months ago
@TheXanian
Call the commie government to hack me then. You get 50 cents per successful hack. Do it.
grapeace 10 months ago
@grapeace
How many times should I repeat? You don't understand English or what? I'm NOT a commie and I HATE commies. Commies are dictators. Commies killed many Han Chinese.
I already posted many anti-commie comments on Chinese forums, this might cause me serious problems, but I don't care. Stop your ignorant stereotype, NOT ALL THE CHINESE ARE COMMIES, MANY CHINESE ALSO DISLIKE COMMIES, IS THAT CLEAR???
TheXanian 10 months ago
@grapeace
And don't try to act as if you are totally objective, because I can assume that you are also brainwashed by the Korean nationalists' propaganda.
TheXanian 10 months ago
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TheXanian 10 months ago
@TheXanian
BUT YOU WONT GET PAID!!!!! I WORRY FOR YOU!
grapeace 10 months ago
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TheXanian 10 months ago
@TheXanian
You are dumb. Stop saying weird things. I didn't claim any Han Chinese culture. Read what I say, I never mentioned it.
On the other hand, you are refusing to believe the extent of Korean history. Who is the one denying truth?
grapeace 10 months ago
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TheXanian 10 months ago
@TheXanian
See? You are saying you are wasting time yet you aren't going to stop. You are just leaving this video. You are the same as Korean nationalist. You are a Chinese version of the same damned thing.
grapeace 10 months ago
Alright TheXanian. I'm done with you here.
I'm sure you'll find many other Koreans or whoever to start an argument.
But I'll give you advice. Read your comments and figure out where you exactly stand. You may not think so, but when everyone reads your comments you are lying to yourself. You hate commie China but praise their nationalistic historical agenda. It is important to figure out that perhaps you are one of them nationalists. You will be more certain about history afterwards.
grapeace 10 months ago
@grapeace
COMMIES ARE DEFINATELY NOT NATIONALISTIC. THEY KILLED MANY HAN CHINESE, AND THEY GAVE MANY PRIVILEDGES TO MINORITIES. MANY HAN CHINESE DISLIKE COMMIES.
TheXanian 10 months ago
@TheXanian
Calm buddy. We aren't fighting. I know that. I even have real life Chinese friends dislike the government. That's not what I'm talking about. How long have you lived in English speaking country?
I want to change my advice. Learn English Comprehension. It will be useful.
grapeace 10 months ago
@grapeace
You brought up the commie argument, not me. You should learn English comprehension.
Again, I'm tired of you Korean nationalists who would spoil every Chinese history video.
TheXanian 10 months ago
@TheXanian
I'm bringing it up because there is a connection. You are saying you have no connection and you bring them in yourself as well.
Stop the contradictions. And stfu. Don't you realize I'm telling you to stop embarrassing yourself?
I'm not spoiling any chinese video. Why are you claiming this video as Chinese? If you are going to even criticize me, figure out where I stand. But then again, you lack the understanding to figure out where you are yourself.
grapeace 10 months ago