#137 - HHO Games hall of shame

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Quite the opposite. The IHHOI is privately held, privately funded, as far removed from government as is humanly possible. And it will remain so.

[ZS6JMP]

Again I do not want a standards association to tell me what I can and cant and what they deem safe. Dont get me wrong, safety is first with this dangerous gas, but that puts the onus on the designer or builder to implement safety measures..

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Then I guess you also disapprove of organizations like Consumer Reports too? No one is going to tell you that you have to have your own projects certified as safe. But consumers to whom you sell your wares may want a second opinion. And, like it or not, they will get one.

[ZS6JMP]

As I said, safety first. When it comes to selling a commercial product surely there should be a baseline for safety. The ''but'' is and most will agree, there should not be some government associated organisation which has a finger in the pie ie put a tax on it or try to suppress the technology.

[hhocar]

I met water4gas guy some 5 months ago in Los Angeles. His design was clearly not satisfactory from an engineering stand point. There were some other folks selling mayonnaise jars with the same set up as water4gas guy. His electronics was bought off internet, which was not even set up with his system. A total snake oil for which he claimed up to 60% efficiency. Now no one has yet come forward with a system that can work and make sense! I don't think any one of the participants are engineers...

[tddabernathy]

Todd(HighPerformanceFuelCells) The vehicle was roped off for safety so Jim and I could work. We will also rope off a Big Rig Truck at the games on Feruary 7 and do an installation. Once again, for safety, not to "Keep You From Seeing." I want people to see our cells, that is why we installed 3 times at the last show. Please come see us at Manatee Technical Institute, disregard the ignorant comments by Zero and his followers. We will display our cells on vehicles, a generator, and RC's.

[EnergySupply2008]

Direct quote from the Water4gas website:

"his friend's Chevy truck went from 15.02 MPG to 64.58 MPG - a whopping 430% better mileage"

No shame

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You know what? I sincerely hope that's true! If it is I will be the first to eat my words. BUT, which independent testing organization CONFIRMED this claim?

Anyone can make a claim. Reputable companies will allow those claims to be verified. Show me.

[EnergySupply2008]

By your response, it seems you may have misunderstood me. I was not challanging your Hall of Shame video, I was adding my two cents. I agree with you.

I should have been more careful with my wording. I should have said, the man behind Water4gas has no shame.

His spiral designs are a complete joke. How can he expect to be taken seriously with outrageous claims like that one? Rhetorical question.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You're right. I thought you were defending those ridiculous claims. My bad. Sorry.

[Drpepper687]

Lol, please dont tell me that somebody used a fishtank air bubbler to fake they were creating hydrogen?!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Completely serious. I laughed so hard I cried.

[wendlo1]

Hhahaha.. I hear you on that. what I am tinkering with is a Pre ignition catylitic converter. looking at pantones geet I had the thought that what this was doing is creating the st. elmos fire and to do it right you need to have a powerful magnet. I am thinking that by making the fuel line pipe an electro magnet and then making one out of the iron bar in the center. do you know what kind of wiring would take that. With the high heat etc. just curious if you had any ideas been

[mockingirony2]

Ya know... This seems to be about people working together for a better cause and not another coorporate takeover. There may be some crooks trying to take advantage of this, and some people who do a great job of informing others.. Bottom line with all of this... There is a lot of room for improvement, and having an open mind and looking at every persons ideas in a constructive manor may just lead to great solutions.... and another big thanks to people like Zero, who inform others

[davidrrrd]

im not entirely a fan of the glass jar with the wire thingy, i have built several, they all burnd up on me, no explosions, just dead generators, sometimes one wire disolves compleatly, other times they go into thermal runnaway and melt the nylon hose barbs!

the cores always get distorted.

i ran 3 cells in seiries they stayed under controle for a month, after witch there was only one electrode remaining in each of the jars?? in the long run they have to be replaced with something more relyable

[minde4000]

Nice Zero. Ozzie Freedom is a HUGE SCAM. Altho thats how I started by buying his books... :( Those spiral cells are a joke man. Super inefficient and has 0% impact. When I had 2 spiral cells drawing 20 amps @ 12V both cells put out 0.15L/min. No bull. So based on the evidence... The only respect and merit goes to Ozzie is HHO technology advertisement and implement into public.

[aluka1603]

look the positive: it is dangerous ....;)

[mikeyidh]

Are you making fun of water for gas? Who doesn't. But Ozzy's adds got me into making fuel cells. I wish I was at the hho games I live in south Florida.

[maxrisc]

Was that orange one even on? I think I saw like 3 bubbles released from the vibrations :P

[HemilGremil]

I'm not selling anything and speak as a novice who has learned a lot over the past 3 or 4 months. It does scare me when people aren't open about gas production or clearly exaggerate performance. I've seen locals in my area buy a unit off of the Internet only to find out it really had pitiful production with many other problems. We want to find that great breakthrough. But we can't lose sight of reality either. Many people don't accept the limitations of a product and exaggerate performance.

[ozziefreedom]

The rest of your movie shows somebody else's device, based on Bill Lang's simple DIY tech. I have proven this simple tech to work, and therefore published it. It is not "ozzie's tech", it's the public's most popular HHO tech - note the million and one videos showing their works and tweaks.

[greenertommorow]

I have to agree with you Ozzie, I installed 3 of your glass cells in my 2002 Toyota Tundra 4.7 ltr V-8 and with no electronic enhancements or other changes of any kind still get a consistent 38% improvement in mpg. Easier to build than the cell zero installed in his Tundra which was my only reason for going that route. Didn't you get 20% on yours zero? Tundra's seem to do well with HHO. Thanks to Ozzie for getting me started and Thanks to Zero for continuing to push the envelope. :)

[ozziefreedom]

Zero, you say in this movie that I "roped off the car" from being accessible to the public. I always show and tell EVERYTHING I know and let people touch everything; Ari Cohen knows that several devices have been stolen from us that way. THE REASON THE CAR WAS "roped off" was to let Jim Tarantola work in peace installing a new system on my car.

[ruffypoo]

for one you just lied to yourself in this message. i didnt see one person working on this car at all..... and two now i know you say this:::that several devices have been stolen from us that way::::.. who cares!!! isnt HHO and people building them the reason for this gas issue in the first place? your just in it for the money. anyhow zero's stuff is much better then yours. so why would he want to down grade?

[mrjamestferguson]

I have pictures of the cell being installed in Ozzie's car in the roped off area...if anyone is interested!

Fair is fair!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Absolutely. You'll note I did not censor any of his or your comments.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Sorry Ozzie. Your timing was just too conspicuous. That and ruffypoo is correct. I also saw no one working on your car during that time.

I did not go without notice, however, that you took every opportunity you could to photograph Raptor and I installing the 8" EBN cell in my Honda.

But that's okay. By contrast I have nothing to hide. Who knows? Maybe you actually learned something useful from it. Everyone wins.

[greenertommorow]

Yeah, hee did take lots of photo's at the games. He took pics of my son at his seminar but I don't think that qualifies him as a spy or up to no good.

[rpierini]

Yeah, Ozzy's another Ken Smith- all about making $ at the expense of those who are really trying to make progress in this field.

[flipster12000]

I can't believe that people are soooo stupid to buy those GLASS BOMBS. They will produce hho but only for a short while until the plastic cross member inside melts and the wire + and - meet in the middle. We all know what happens then. KABLOOEY and that was the rest of the story next of kin have been notified of the IDIOT'S untimely demise. GLASS BOMBS GLASS BOMBS GLASS BONGS ... oh I mean BOMBS. How stupid can someone be? THOSE GLASS BOMBS CAN FREAKIN KILL YOU. How stupid can people be? I mean

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Don't even get me started.

[mrjamestferguson]

How is it a glass bomb?

How can it kill you?

[flipster12000]

The terminals on those waterforgas mason jars will heat up because of bad connections due to (most of the time) over-driving the cell even at 5 - 10 amps. That tiny little wire inside that glass BOMB could then short out causing an internal spark which could ignite the HHO causing an immediate and very violent explosion! I personally don't like the idea of shards of broken glass flying @ incredible speed around under my hood which could cut a fuel line and cause the gas tank to explode. Do you?

[mrjamestferguson]

I agree that the explosion would be violent if the cell were cooked down enough that it contained a great deal of HHO and almost no water. This could very easily compromise the internal core and cause a wire short could occurI think it would take more than 5 amps. The part that I can not agree with is that the shards off exploding glass would cause the gas tank to explode.

[mrjamestferguson]

Exploding shards of glass, plastic, steel or any other material at high velocity could easily find the fuel line of an unlucky driver and cause a gasoline leak. In truth, not many cars explode from gasoline leaks until they are fully involved in flames in the rear of the vehicle. I have fought many of these car fires and never had a car explode on me.

[Careica]

I think next year there will be some FBI and CIA agents to see what is going on...if you have "too good" results, they will ask to come in their car... ;)

[john29302]

i wished i had seen this...i would have gotten the scoop. i got there at 11am tues and the car was on dispaly. i got a good look. he had the best cell he has ever had and in fairness seems to have rectified past fizzers that sold maybe 10,000 fold more than anyone there. i did note his cell had two filters and a crossflow from air filter from plenum. and his cell did put out .9 liters per min. he did have 2 filters, and dual output tubes, well actually they were flashback arrestors.

[bhelpurii]

I some how beleive that the aquarium pump was for his charged water system...coupled with hydrogen peroxide and a 9v battery he somehow charges water in a container overnight to have hho magically released while driving.

Hey does anyone remember the pyramid mumbo jumbo of years gone by?

[mrwebb7]

Newbie here, can someone let me in on why these things are a scam and in the hall of shame? I'm trying to learn about HHO, but feel left in the cold when everyone points and says "LOL, an aquarium pump" and I sit there and have no idea what they are talking about.

Perhaps a Zero education video is in order? a "spot the fraud" type thing that explains typical tricks of the shysters out there. That would be pretty educational. Thanks again for all the videos zero, faithful subscriber here.

[mockingirony2]

Zero has put a ton of time into videos on youtube... check those out, I was educated quickly from these. Thanks Zero!

[freedomorelse]

That was not very impressive. Nice car though...

[m3sca1]

i have an interesting collection of old snake oil medicince bottles-the irony is not lost on me.

how about some "cure all" or some "Hair replacement tonic"?

[canamm]

An aquarium pump??? The snake oil salesman of yesteryear were breeding......

[JAFO82269]

Are you kidding me? An aquarium pump? WTF is up with these people? WOW

[davidrrrd]

actualy i thought the same thing when i saw the aquarium pump, however there poor cell and pump are the insperation of the entire water4gas enterprize.

this stuff was the subject of the third days seminar,

basic water vapor intake into engine can net 20% right,

the history lesson described how the adition of outside air sometimes drawn in by engine vacume, but here by pump delutes the hho to make it safer, NO Flash back's!, but the same hydrogen is still available for fuel inside your engine.

[m3sca1]

i add air to my mix without using an aquarium pump.

the vacuum on my inlet tube is enough to pull air thru a small hole in the top of the cell,without letting gas escape.

my guess is the pump was used as of way of increasing the bubbles in the jar,as a bogus display of output for the cell.

any fool would be impressed,im sure.

[bhelpurii]

as quoted from a NZ source".....The man who proudly posts what we assume is his picture on the water4gas website is a person with an interesting past.

Yes, Ozzie Freedom may be his legal name now but he was previously known as Eyal Siman-Tov, as witnessed by the resume that appears on one of his other business ventures.

Ozzie appears to be a scientologist, which probably explains why he knows how to create a cult-like following.

[tjgame2]

No wounder people think hho is bogus. Was that junk really for sale.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Yes. Sad, isn't it?

[kratomosphere]

jjeeezz. whats the deal with that big orange cell.

looks like prodution and practicality were left out of those plans.

And ozzie..... Money4Nothing

[ZeroFossilFuel]

...and your chick4free. ;-)

[lynel1985]

HHO GAMES should be that, games, not some business show. Let people share technology, ideas, craftmanship. Regulate out the profitiering and marketing. Make the HHO games a brand-less event. Those selling HHO kits as a brand entity, shouldnt be allowed to participate in events as these. If you have something you dont wanna share (cause you wanna make the coins) dont go to the games, try and hunt down a financial backer.

[raiderman012000]

Its because hes knows its a scam. Why would he let anyone look at it. Ozzie Freedom is a genius at marketing. He could sell the devil a box of matches. But it seems everything he sells is shady and turns out to be a scam, including his latest, but ppl will believe him because he plays on the ignorance and fears of the group mentality. People are generally idiots. A single person is smart, but ppl in general are dumb as cows. Thats why Water4Gas works, not because of the "science"

[markmil2002]

No wonder you lost your mind!

[4AtomicHand]

No Scientific base, no safety, and no shame selling and installing "cells". The standards are needed.

Hope you like the video response..

[mrjamestferguson]

We all agree that standards are needed and oversight would be great, but who is going to do it?

With oversight comes power...with power comes control!

I think we would play right into the hands of the government, and our little backyard experiments would have big brother grading them!

[InstallGuys]

WOW............

Sad Sad Sad

I'd have to agree with you. I was the Director of a MSB for 10 years with 4 locations. We pushed for legistlation to help regulate other more seedy, "Not so legitimate" MSB's (Money Service Business).

It worked, however, those put in place for oversight ended up creating more red tape than we ever thought possible. The amount of regulation placed upon us was a HUGE burden.

So...careful steps in this direction we must make....mmm?

Thanks for the vid..

Steve

[exanchorite]

Someone has to rip off the ignorant mases.  Water 4 Gas vulture style.

[jdcmusicman]

That water4gas crap just makes me wanna puke lol.I could fart more hho than one of those thing put out..

[ZeroFossilFuel]

LOL! That us SOOOOO True!

[bhelpurii]

Careful where you light your zippo

[mrjamestferguson]

Have you tested your fart output?

I am curious...the government tested cow farts...it is not out of the realm of possibility!

Why don't you test your most powerful methane hiney output and put it against my 236.52 ml/min average cell output.

I would bet that the hate and disinformation you are spreading can easily be explained. It may be because of your nausea caused by that "water4gas crap".

I am just saying...