This is Hitch at his best. At least to my perception of the man based off youtube videos. He doesn't need vitriol, his frank analysis is the kind of criticism that convinces intellectually honest people of the merits of doubt.
@Jesuspeake- We already have an accurate history of the region, which clearly dismiss biblical claims as shown in archeology. Especially concerning Egypt, Babylon, & Canaan. All the inhabitants of the region have roots to earlier times of polytheistic civilizations. Their influence come from these prior civilizations.
@Jesuspeake-You seem to dismiss the texts yet use them at the same time to assume a possible jesus, since his story is only told in the gospels.The fact that his genealogy is traced back to a fictional adam is proof enough of it's lunacy.There is no evidence for most of the characters in the bible because the creation, flood, and eden stories were all Israelite adaptations based on earlier Mesopotamian polytheistic myths.The motifs are old. Israel simply changed them to establish their religion.
Every time I hear Hitchens refer to Jesus as a 'Bronze Age' rabbi, it reminds me of how ignorant 'Hitch' was. Oh well, he was only off by a thousand years...
I DARE CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS TO ENGAGE D[ MEMBERS OF D CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL ]WHOSE HEAD PASTOR CAN PROVE SCIENTIFICALLY, ARCHAEOLOGICALLY, BIBLICALLY, THAT GOD EXISTS. TO SEE GOD DIRECTLY IS TO BELIEVE? HOW MORONIC OF YOU. HAVE YOU SEEN YOUR BRAIN WITH YOUR OWN EYES? NO INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? CAN YOU SHOW ME ANY ONE WITH HIS EYE BROWS BENEATH HIS EYES. IF YOU DO I WILL JOIN THE RANKS OF THE ATHEISTS. SINCE THERE IS NONE TO SHOW THEN AS THEY SAY IN FENCING "TOUCHE" YOUR LOGIC IS DEFEATED!!!
The complexity of a system does not imply divinity. If you're unable to comprehend it just means you're @ your intellectual limit(s). Example: Articulate how the device you're using to read _this very msg_ manipulates sub-atomic particles, allowing you access to this global telecomm network.
I've seen my brain. It's called "fMRI".
"[...] eyebrows *beneath* His eyes"? Dafuq?
Don't respond unless you toggle your capslock & correspond like an intelligible being.
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@LeoTheGreater I'm an atheist, first of all. Clearly Jesus wasn't a Christian, he was a Jew, if he did exist. Everything written about him is half-ass scribble that is probably half
wrong at least, written decades after he died. If he existed, he was without almost any doubt a Jew. From what is there, he clearly wasn't an atheist. I've never even heard someone attempt to claim that, ever.
@DrMadolite .. better choice. But you don't even believe he was a person. The fact that you would say your a Christian baffles me; you reject the ideas that created the religion in the first place, yet accept ideas that were around earlier and in much better form. Christianity is explicitly a fulfillment of the OT. Jesus was the heavenly messiah predicted by the Jews, and that why the religion began. You're denying the founding nature of the religion itself. But yeah, I can't be reasoned with,
How curious it is that Jesus was not a Christian and that it was Paul that started Christianity. I submit you must be a Paulist. Personally I follow Jesus who was an atheist.
@DrMadolite That's not what I said though. I said that Christians (the name comes from Christ, where Christ means savior in a messianic way, referring to the Jewish scripture) believe that Jesus was the messiah, and almost all believe he was god. Clearly they can't agree on much more than that as there are hundreds of sects; that's not my point. Christ is the main premise of the religion. If you're going to believe what you described, then why be a Christian, and not a Confucian? That is a much
@DrMadolite And you're explicitly wrong about what Christians believe percentage wise. Terribly wrong, flat out delusional, or just a liar. You either have zero knowledge of history and religion, or you're trolling.
@BER2ERKER There's no point reasoning with you, you obviously think that 99% of all christians ALL share an identical view on absolutely everything written in the Bible and that ALL of them believe in the literal interpretation of the book.
@DrMadolite Strange. How one person's interpretation of an iron-bronze age book trumps the overwhelming majority. Again, I must seemingly apologize; I'm talking about 99% of Christianity. So sorry, bud. You're interpretation is clearly what Christianity really is, even though that's not what the gargantuan majority believes. You're right. Jesus wasn't Christ, he wasn't even a person. Yes, that's Christianity.
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There is that which exists beyond which a greater cannot be thought. But that hardly solves the problem as we cannot even imagine "THAT" , beyond which a greater can be thought, let alone that greater which cannot be thought.
@BER2ERKER No, you're talking about the 1% of christianity that has been glorified and disillusioned on Youtube and internet in general to seem like it's 99,9% of christianity. Because every other christian don't bother go on the internet and talk about their views because it's personal and they're not interested in shoving it into people's faces.
@DrMadolite Cont. to hell for saying that, right? That's not what Christianity actually is, that's what you want it to be, or interpret it to be. It's not actually Christianity. So if that's what you and some others interpret the book to be, then fine, but it's not the Christianity of the last two millennia that people are talking about here. Many historians agree that a Jesus figure likely did exist. Even Hitchens concedes this much. So, that kind of kills the idea right there.
@BER2ERKER It's not actually christianity? Who the hell are you to dictate to me what my interpretation of the Jesus are supposed to be or not? All of the bullshit you're attributing to christianity here has nothing to do with the christian faith at the core, it's purely and utterly an insane notion that stems from the batshit insane Bible Belt lunatics from everybody's favorite dumbass country.
It's all just a mashup of fanatics and then just slapped the label Christianity onto it.
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i'm a theist, and i know i must learn about atheist view points (rare, huh?)- I think the biggest reason why religion is made up is to Gain power over other minds and individuals. Recently, i've re-read Animal Farm, and i think that if religion is made up, then we are living in the microcosm of Animal Farm currently. who disagrees?
@DrMadolite No. If Jesus didn't exist, and wasn't god, then Christianity is completely null and void. The entire religion is based on him being the son of god. Any philosopher of religion or theologian will tell you this. If Jesus wasn't the son of god, then he was a psychopath for saying what he said. If he didn't exist, then the entire thing is a fabrication. If the entire thing is what you describe, then it is no longer Christianity. You do know that 99% of Christians would say you're going
@BER2ERKER You're making the classical mistake of assuming that your idea of christianity is applicable to all christianity. The public, popularized christianity is by many esoteric christians seen as a blatant rape of Jesus Christ.
And no, Jesus doesn't have to have existed in order to be the son of God, as long as what he represents is real and tangible. And I'm pretty sure that humanity is real and that it is through our perfectibility of self that we find "God" - "that which is".
@DrMadolite It's kinda funny, because it's almost like the Illuminati myth. Many of the scientists who try to debunk christianity can probably be considered some of Jesus' greatest disciples. Likewise, the conspiracy theorists believing that the Illuminati is trying to take over the world in a NWO (because they want the elitists removed from power) are arguably the greatest allies of the true Illuminati because they are only concerned with the perfectibility and liberty of man.
If Jesus did exist, he was not god and I further assert that Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God. In addition the Catholic Church, the Pharisees, Scribes and the masses in general tagged Jesus as the son of god. Jesus' stand alone reply when the Pharisees asked if he was the Son of God was. THOU SAYEST IT. And they did. They made the claim. Jesus did not; he only admitted they all said it; and Christianity deserves to fall flat on its false face for perpetual lies.
What version of the Bible is this? I have both NKJV & KJV. Please cite the specific passage, because our respective readings on John 8:58 seem to be quite divergent.
@MegaFloyd100 Again, you don't respond to my reply, but to a different comment of mine. You do realize I was responding to a stupid comment right? What god do you think the majority of the Nazi party believed in then? What god was included on their belt buckles? It was the god of Abraham, and it wasn't of a Jewish or Muslim kind. When you can show otherwise, then I'll take your rambling comments seriously. Watch a video by NonStampCollector about Hitler and atheism.
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@DrMadolite because if Socrates didn't exist his work is still there and still real, but if jesus didn't exist, well the basis of Christianity are destroyed. If Jesus was not the son of god, well there's no need for religion.
@louisuniverse The basis of Christianity would be destroyed? How do you know that? You seem to assume that the literal translation of the bible is what makes up christianity, you couldn't be further from the truth.
No true esoteric christian gives a crap about whether Jesus existed or not, because his existence is not what his message was all about. Even a fictional character can bring the message of Jesus and still it'd be valid.
@DrMadolite In fact, Jesus most likely IS a fictional character because he wasn't a single person, he was a linguistic representation of the self as he/she reaches the ultimate spiritual state of perfectly trusting and serving the Universe as it actually is - also called "The one, true God".
I guess the sunday school didn't teach you this view though, so no wonder you think Christianity is effed up.
@DrMadolite He was Man. "I am the light, the way and the eternity." "I" as being the conscious self, not him specifically. But in our modern day world rape of the original methods of authoring books such as the Bible, this wisdom has been lost.
@recalibration That Abraham wasn't the first perfectible human being on the planet, pretty much. That which Jesus reflects onto humanity, was not engineered by Abraham. It was an intrinsic part of humanity and Abraham can basically go fuck himself.
@DrMadolite lol soooo, if harry potter told you you'd go in hell if you didn't believe in him... that would still be valid... oh yeahh... you're soo smart.
@louisuniverse If you don't believe in yourself, if you don't give a shit about what you want in life and if you live in zombified state of slavery of others - then yes your life DOES become a living hell.
@DrMadolite '''If you don't believe in yourself, if you don't give a shit about what you want in life and if you live in zombified state of slavery of others'' to me that's a great description of Christianity.
@louisuniverse Yes, but christianity isn't 1 person, it consists of billions of people who all have their own ideas about Jesus Christ and whatnot. Maybe you should watch less Youtube videos and go out into the world and look at the various christian directions. Just a thought.
@DrMadolite no thanks, religion is a plague to human society, i'll never consider it again. i wish for the fall of all religion. it has caused enough harm to mankind. fuck this shit.
@louisuniverse So people had nothing to do with it, then? I'm sorry, but personally I'd like to put the blame on the actual people who did the atrocities. You don't arrest a firearm for killing a person, you arrest the person who fired it.
And no, removing all firearms doesn't prevent people from killing eachother, because you'll still have knives, fists and contaminated food. I mean, your logic could be used to call atheism a plague onto society as well. Remember Stalin?
@DrMadolite the difference is, that when someone kills some one in the name of religion, they think they're doing the right thing, it's a justification for insane people. when someone kills with a gun, ofcourse we do not arrest thegun, we arrest theguy, but if he claims to be doing it because a magic dog told him to, we try to fix what's wrong in his brain. religion is a neurological disorder, and what makes it as plague to society is that we excuse these people because they say it's ''faith''.
@louisuniverse Religion a neurological disorder? Wow, these CRAZY people birthed democracy, modern science & art & literature.Any list of the giants of physical science would include Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Boyle, Pascal, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, all of whom, despite denominational and doctrinal differences among them, and opposition that some experienced from church authorities, were deeply committed to Jesus Christ.WHICH OF THESE GUYS NEED THERAPY YOU UNGRATEFUL,DISPESPECTFUL CHILD.
This only applies if you wilfully ignore the contributions of a long linage of contributors & actions of the theocracy.
The church's respond to Copernicus? Denouncement, ridicule, heresy. Even Martin Luther spoke out against on the grounds it conflict w/ his (ML) view of Scriptures.
The then church's back pedaling then revision of De revolutionibus began (1620). Galileo: convicted of heresy & house arrest for life (1633). Their works were not unbanned until 1835.
@louisuniverse ''the difference is, that when someone kills some one in the name of religion, they think they're doing the right thing???''
NO,if a christian acts as you describe ,they are inconsistent with their own professed beliefs,[which is why they get called hypocrites]BUT.if a communist or nazi etc kills they are acting in ACCORDANCE with their belief system.Human rights was a christian concept,as was animal rights ,you victim.
@louisuniverse ''religion is a plague to human society?''
Protestant Christianity overthrew the Catholic churches power,& the resultant free thinking founded Modern Science,Art & Literature & ,Democracy & even Athiesm! ,its hard to know where to start with your ridiculous parroting of politically correct groupthink.You are one of Stalins ''useful idiots''.
I agree. Even Superman's message to fight for Truth, Justice and the American way has wide appeal. Jesus dialogue rings true because he knew that he himself was Everyman with the whole potential range of emotions, urges, fears, anxieties, appetites, physical and emotional needs, instinctual drives and reactions common to all. He had only to consult his own soul to imagine how any character would react because he, like we, was a microcosm of the whole human race.
"Right on track" LOL. Thanks? I'm quite aware of the simulacrum, its implications & how to navigate it. Still off topic, what is your opinion of the soft sciences, specifically psychology? I'm curious to know the most pronounced of your personality matrix.
@recalibration How exactly am I supposed to answer what my opinions are about psychology? It is what it is. I don't understand your question.
Do I like psychology? I neither like nor dislike it, it's a general area of science on the mental capacities of conscious beings. It consists on a multitude of fields, each field made up by a wide range of specific theories - some of which are good, others bad. Some are concrete, others are vague.
@legitnoobie cont. in other words, was what he famously said. This was in no means a theist god, or even a deist god, it was an idea about physics and the universe. Hitler's entire Mein Kampf and many, many speeches of his, explicitly contain the word Creator, Lord etc. The Nazi world and it's the soldiers were Christians. The Vatican supported him, and even celebrated his birthday every year. Try researching things once in a while. The hate of Jews came directly from the Christianity of Europe
@BER2ERKER Dude,its reallysimple.If jesus would not have done it ,it aint Christian,whatever one claims.False flag operations are a modern espionage trick,do you think Satan is ignorant of such tactics?eg;Anyone could claim they killed in the name of BER2ERKER to justfy their crime,but does that make BER2ERKER responsable??? Its just like saying ''the devil made me do it'.' BUT MAYBE THIS CONCEPT IS TOO SUBTLE FOR YOU TO FOLLOW.
@BER2ERKER ''The Nazi world and it's the soldiers were Christians.'' yeah,thats why they put so many Christians in concetration camps & destriyed Churches.Like every politician,Hitler knew the value of the 'rentacrowd' that comes with declaring ''God is on your side'' to gullible peasants.But to claim Hitlers was a Christian regime?? SOURCES PLEASE! What historians concurr with you? Who can take any of your arguments seriously now???You have revealed yourself by stooping so low.
@legitnoobie Einstein didn't believe in a higher power or spirituality in the way you falsely offer. He believed in the god of physics, an idea that many scientists use to describe the underlying nature of the universe. He believed in physical determinism (it turns out that he was wrong, and his "greatest blunder" was actually his obsession with this, and not the cosmological constant like he thought), and the god of physics idea is actually a perfect metaphor for this. God doesn't throw dice,
@MegaFloyd100 Yes, comment on a random comment that I made, rather than perhaps my actual second reply to you. You definitely fit right in with the YouTube theists.
@honeyman1964 cont. his work and his writings, something that you won't be, by your own choice. You choose the easy way, believing in what makes you happy. You cop-out of real responsibility and real meaning in life because you have *hope* that this life is just some small, meaningless part of a divine plan. This life is the only thing we have, based on everything we know to be true. I'll make my life a good one, free of the shackles of religion and the prison it creates in every theist's mind.
@BER2ERKER ''the shackles of religion and the prison it creates in every theist's mind''.
As Christianity founded Modern Science,Art & Literature,Free thinking & Democracy[& even Athiesm!],its hard to know where to start with your ridiculous parroting of politically correct groupthink slogans.
You know nothing of what you speak. I've refuted these points time & time again. You can copy & paste, yes, but have an absolute lack of insight & revel in intellectual cowardice. You are an outright lying bitch incapable of thinking beyond argumentum ad invincible.
@recalibrationYou have not refuted any of my historical FACTS, you just mocked them. &in so doing used a latin term birthed from Christian Philosophy, which ironically supports my claims of Western Academic debt owed to Christianity! I can back up my claims that Christianity founded Modern Science,Art & Literature,Free thinking & Democracy & Athiesm!.I can provide sources.All you do is complain & sprout the party line,comrade.Mao & Stalin were proud of manufacturing useful idiots like you.
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I'm aware its origins, as T. Aquinas is stated to have used it sometime before 1275. It is also alleged to have been used in the 3rd century.
Now, as speaking to someone who's only been introduced to the name Epicurus within the last 2 wks, are you sure you want to continue w/ this assertion? I am more than happy to break it down, but be aware it will most likely be a 12 part response or even more.
@recalibration re your epicurean stuff.i am actually interested in understanding your viewpoint here,as it is a blind spot for me.i dont care how many posts it takes if your up to it,i will read them.
Umm, Democracy and Free Thought pre-date Christianity as the best recorded proponents of these where the Bronze age Greeks. Also I fail to see how the 1000 years of suppressing peoples inclination to learn (aka the dark ages), that was a direct result of Christian Law in Europe, founded Science.
You might want to read some actual history some time before you start making claims.
@surmasampo If Christianity was stuck in a 15th century time warp you may be correct.But a few things have happened since then.Luther began a revolution in which many Protestants rebelled & died to champion individual rights & the questioning of authority,separate church from state,art,literature etc.I am happy to be corrected if this scource is wrong.Otherwise,quote your sources.
@honeyman1964 Well of course, it's all about death and the fear of death, and it always will be. You believe that because you have hope in life after death, that life after death is real? I'm not willing to take that chance with my life, by living like a slave to iron age mythology and throwing away my dignity and reason. It doesn't matter what we hope for, or what makes us happy. What matters is the truth. The truth is: no matter if Hitchens is dead and never will live again, he is immortal in
ok before i say anything let me just say that im not religious,but i am spiritual in the sense that i believe in a higher power like einstein did, but let me just say that almost all atheists are absolute hypocrites, for instance, atheists, constantly say that religion has caused more lives to be lost than anything else, that is false, Hitler, slaughtered 6 million jews because of his Darwinian beliefs of weeding out the bad genes, stalin who killed 20 million people, as an atheist.
1.) "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- C. Hitchens
Thus, is there any reason to seriously consider your spirituality?
2.) a.) Hilter used used religion as a method to shape society in rallying against Judaism. b.) You need to look into how a "cult of personality" acts as a surrogate for traditional religion.
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@atheists.do not be afraid to voice your opinion.I know there is a multitude out there ,praying to something they don't believe in,but they want to keep their jobs.But i hope i can give you strength to do what you know is right.In 1984 ,the british miners went on strike for 1 year,no pay no dole .We were up against the might of the british government.We stayed on strike for 1 year,it cost thatcher 3 billion £s at that time.Now in britain there are 10 pits left.The working man united will win
I openly wage metaphysical war on those daring to speak of mysticism. It's not only because of Hitchens & others, but because of Luke 12:10.
You Christians would dare tell me of John 8:32, then in the next breath, tell me if I question or correct your Christ I'll spend eternity in hellfire? Fuck you & your book.
Now I research & develop new ways to deconstruct all the Abrahamic bullshit. & least you expose yourself as a hypocrite, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
@recalibration ''I research & develop new ways to deconstruct all the Abrahamic bullshit. & least you expose yourself as a hypocrite, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.''
that is true,because Protestant Christians fought & died to pass the ''TOLERATION ACT'' in the 17th century,you are now free to spend your life trying to destroy christianity,& there's not a damn thing we can do about it!THE IRONY!
Adam and Eve chose not to obey God, showing that their desire was to sin. So how can mankind blame God? If it is your desire to have peace, turn to the Lord Jesus Christ today. "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." Matt. 11:28
If your god really is omniscient, then he set up Adam & Eve to fail. If he's not omniscient, then why call him God? A better question would be: why such a being would _even bother creating existence_?
Until you can answer these questions, cease your pathetic proselytizing.
Furthermore, the sins of the father are not sins of mine.
@recalibration which religion do u come from? do u know ur religion as much u know the others? do u succeed in worshipping ur God? i am god ( ur god )!
I'm not going to answer such a question fr someone that believes civilization started in the in 1600s. Evidence of your blatant ignorance is rife throughout these comments & anyone can find them by simply searching "MF0" (that "MF"+"zero").
@recalibration ''fr someone that believes civilization started in the in 1600s.''
the reason i focus on the 16th century is because EVERY athiest is in a time warp thinking Christianity is the Roman Catholic church of 500 yrs ago.They ALL are fighting a battle protestants shed blood for & won for them 500 years ago,in creepy lockstep with Stalins groupthink,
Well sir, it's a shame we've been slinging mud for the last few days & only now you mention this. I did say I was aware of Luther. I agree there's a misconception that Catholicism == Christianity. IIRC, the fact the modern "church" was based on the apostle Paul was pivotal to Cath. dominance.
In my case & as I've stated, I go back to as far as ~400BC. I don't think clinging to the Reformation is intellectual honesty. There's so very much more in this rich tapestry.
i'm a theist, and i know i must learn about atheist view points (rare, huh?)- I think the biggest reason why religion is made up is to Gain power over other minds and individuals. Recently, i've re-read Animal Farm, and i think that if religion is made up, then we are living in the microcosm of Animal Farm currently. who disagrees?
I cannot speak for everyone, but my personal experience is there's a massive gulf between those not afraid to investigate, learn, have their perceptions challenged v simply wrapping oneself in a spiritual security blanket.
I charge accepting someone's belief w/ out falsifiability is naive & makes you susceptible to manipulation.
I have a book I'm currently enjoying, conveniently titled "A Beginner's Guide to The Scientific Method" ... would you like a copy of it?
You can't answer direct questions either. Again, you state your book is "the real truth". So what was the name of Enoch's mother, the matriarch of the Caanites? What land did she originate?
@BER2ERKER Its very meaningful to me,I have as much say,or more than his education,which is meaningless to me.He taught all those years his belief,and now he is dead at age 62,and according to his belief,that's all he is,dead.Sad.I am glad I have hope beyond death.I wish he had changed his ways before he died.
@MegaFloyd100 Not entirely sure how you came to that "conclusion" there, but I really
don't care to know. Also it's philosophical, with an "o". That may seem trivial, but it's telling. Anyone with at least some experience with philosophy courses or knowledge of it otherwise wouldn't make that mistake. My "argument" (it wasn't even an argument, it was a description of why I would justifiably separate two given topics) is based on a logical overview of the scientific method and everything we kno
unfortunately, he misrepresents the gospels, he misrepresents what Jesus said, he misrepresents Lewis, he misrepresents what the Bible actually says about the witnesses, he ignores the proofs that are accepted to validate historical accuracy/legitimacy of recorded documents....how can one take what he says without questioning his homework? it's very hard to take a man seriously who can't do his homework enough to properly represent an opposing argument.
taking the bible out of context. Thats all Im saying. Hitchens really is a brilliant man and a gifted speaker. He left this world at too young of an age. RIP
the problem is that he is taking some of what jesus said out of context. When jesus said to drop everything and leave your family he meant that you must be ready to do this for his sake and for the sake of God. Now for someone who believes in God and believes that Jesus was his Son this makes sense. For someone who isn't a believer I can see how this would seem crazy, because if you don't believe then you do not believe in the promise of spending eternity with God. People need to be careful with
the problem is that he is taking some of what jesus said out of context. When jesus said to drop everything and leave your family he meant that you must be ready to do this for his sake and for the sake of God. Now for someone who believes in God and believes that Jesus was his Son this makes sense. For someone who isn't a believer I can see how this would seem crazy, because if you don't believe then you do not believe in the promise of spending eternity with God. People need to be careful with
the problem is that he is taking some of what jesus said out of context. When jesus said to drop everything and leave your family he meant that you must be ready to do this for his sake and for the sake of God. Now for someone who believes in God and believes that Jesus was his Son this makes sense. For someone who isn't a believer I can see how this would seem crazy, because if you don't believe then you do not believe in the promise of spending eternity with God. People need to be careful with
@recalibration sin of omision,to know to do good and doeth it not,it is sin.I guess we are all guilty of that,don't you?whats your questions have to do with this guy?
@FR0STY0115 Because he was ignorant to the bible,the real truth,all he knows is to be educated by man and not Gods word.Simple.I just throwed in stupid,but he probably didn't know any better.I hope he found God before he died.
@honeyman1964 Like what?What did he misinterpret?Even the Christians cant agree on what the Bible says or what Jesus's messages was.That is why there is multiple Christian religions because all follow the Bible "or claim to"but yet none can agree on what it even says. The truth is Christianity is a young religion If we all spawned from two people who knew god on a first hand basis, wouldn't a religion worshiping him be the first ever relgion
@FR0STY0115 The bible is the most misinterpreted book ever written, The term Christ represents paternal senses, though can one teach another anything regrading their own minds conditionings? Its all inclusive which is why its such a difficult subject to discuss in person, being real. Do we often not truly say what we want when we are being subjected to others opinions? Does everyone want to feel that they are successful?
It seems the crux of your comment is that the perception of others is the key influencing factor on our perception of self. I charge that is tantamount to self induced slavery. Success, like the terms "sanity" & "cool" are defined by the definitions of others.
(Sidenote: Have you tried a MBTI evaluation yet? I've found one that I think is well rounded.)
The only thing the herd was ever good for was leading itself to slaughter. So fuck that. ;-)
@FR0STY0115 We are always subjected within many modes of pretention, even that is in the bible somewhere, the way I read the book is as it is, an allegoric fable being writtten by one Poet, who shall remain nameless at this point, Catholocism isnt anything more than a pracitice in rituals which promotes mysticism, the bible I have also has some fake authorships within the Epistles even though I know who wrote it and what it was about, combined with much fiction, comparison is wide
Jesus had some pretty good things to say, I would even go so far as to call them important things, like "for this cause shall a man leave father and mother and shall cleave to his wife and they twain shall be one flesh," "for you have the poor always with you but me you have not always," and "even sinners lend to sinners expecting to be repaid in full." But I wouldn't peg him as the savior of the human race, the one and only promised messiah.
Note the Sadhus of India, the REAL Sadhus. They leave their family to practice yoga and find God. They take no thought of the morrow, the love not mammon or flesh. They exist to nourish spirit. That is not to say that this gives creedence to Jesus's historical viability, it only points that you cannot love both God and mammon, you must love one and hate the other. Want CWAAAAAZY? Read the book of Enoch.
I find this a shallow assessment of Jesus's teaching "make no plans for tomorrow" his disciples has treasurer, they had homes and they worked and planned. The message was more about balance and ultimate goals in life. Do do not be obsessed with becoming rich and focus only on natural things they are better more long lasting things available in life not only when you die but right now. I know it a debate but if read the gospels with some thought you would find this same message
@MegaFloyd100 ...of "leap of faith"; even so, it is still intrinsically different than the belief that it is possible to prove that Jesus was the son of God. Everything we know would have to be thrown out. Abiogenesis is still a science based theory and is rooted in biology and experimental as a function of biology. Unless one adopts it in a dogmatic way and assumes, its measurably different than the previous topic. I do agree that atheist people do this in many cases though; I don't, however.
@MegaFloyd100 No, in and of itself, no. The difference is that one is a dogmatic belief and one is in principle a scientific theory. Unless one makes assumptions and has convictions based on non-evidence, in terms of abiogenesis, then it isn't a leap of faith. I accept that it is a scientifically verifiable theory, and that it does not presently account for the origin of life. If one assumes that it does, with the limited data in terms of experiment and observation, then it becomes a type "leap
@BER2ERKER your argument only makes sense if you define science as synonymous with ''naturalism''.Hence your argument is a philisophical statement masked as an empiracle one.You are obviously so imbued with this worldview you cant see the difference or think any other way.Sorry.you cant have it both ways.Abiogenisis is a necessary faith leap for the religion of evolutionary naturalism.Haleleulla!Praise Nature![may peace be upon her]
Again: you do not have an understanding betwn the discipline's demarcation points & are unable to grasp that concept. Evolution doesn't need abiogenesis for it's merits as it's fact.
I charge you are unable to articulate how the device you're using _as you read this very message_ manipulates sub-atomic particles allowing you to communicate on this global telecomm network. Yet, you "know" your position is righteous.
The complexity of a system does not imply divinity.
@recalibration just recently scientists have taken steps closer to proving abiogenisis. its just a matter of time until we have a working model and experimental data.
They already showed evolution in process with evolved Yeast .
Wow did he miss the point. It usually takes the grossly over-educated to make simple things hard. The words in scripture are about the fact that God takes care of his own. Now to worry about getting out of bed or to just lie there & contemplate your navel. I gather he forgot that Christians are to be about God's works. Hmm I guess he missed that one. Well anything to further one's cause even if it's wrong. To gloss over a resurrection is quite a leap. Even for an egg head.
Funny that he says, "Jesus tells you 'mind no morrow' and likens this to leaving one's family" when he himself left his family/wife for his own girlfriend.
@Jesuspeake- We know from historical & archeological data, the bible is not a history book portraying accurate events, nor truths about certain cultures. It is a book of ideology- idealized accounts.
@rooio3 (1) WRONG. Look into the secret societies that these same politicians calling for a New World Order are apart of. They are Luciferian occultists with an agenda to abolish all spiritual and religious aspects of society to then usher in the anti-Christ who will rule over mankind through a tyrannical Luciferian one-world government. (This is their demonic religious belief and agenda.)
@rooio3 (2) But first, they have to construct a global secular society. Look at the back of a 1-dollar bill. They hide their symbolism in plain view. You see the Illuminati pyramid with the Freemasonic all-seeing eye at the top (aka the "eye of Lucifer"). Underneath, it reads "novus ordo seclorum," which is latin for a "new secular order." Above the eye, it reads "annuit coeptis" which means "he favors our undertaking." ... "He" being Lucifer.
@rooio3 (3) Please, I urge you to look into the nefarious Luciferian religious beliefs of the politicians & elites currently running our world. Watch two YouTube documentaries called "The Arrivals" & "Lucifer god of the Illuminati." They will explain it to you much better than I can. Also, do a search for the New World Order & one-world government.
Watch our politicians call for a "new world order" at:
h t t p : / / 911truthseeker . webs . com / thenewworldorder . htm
@rooio3 "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless they will take a Luciferian initiation."
-David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
I agree with Christopher Hitchens, love the man,but wonder why he associates illiteracy with stupidity .
MrCol52 37 minutes ago
This is Hitch at his best. At least to my perception of the man based off youtube videos. He doesn't need vitriol, his frank analysis is the kind of criticism that convinces intellectually honest people of the merits of doubt.
Vaeran7 1 hour ago
@Jesuspeake- We already have an accurate history of the region, which clearly dismiss biblical claims as shown in archeology. Especially concerning Egypt, Babylon, & Canaan. All the inhabitants of the region have roots to earlier times of polytheistic civilizations. Their influence come from these prior civilizations.
rooio3 3 hours ago
@Jesuspeake-You seem to dismiss the texts yet use them at the same time to assume a possible jesus, since his story is only told in the gospels.The fact that his genealogy is traced back to a fictional adam is proof enough of it's lunacy.There is no evidence for most of the characters in the bible because the creation, flood, and eden stories were all Israelite adaptations based on earlier Mesopotamian polytheistic myths.The motifs are old. Israel simply changed them to establish their religion.
rooio3 3 hours ago
Every time I hear Hitchens refer to Jesus as a 'Bronze Age' rabbi, it reminds me of how ignorant 'Hitch' was. Oh well, he was only off by a thousand years...
danielhmanning 7 hours ago
@danielhmanning Are you saying jesus didn't live in the bronze age? Elaborate..
SigDrums 6 hours ago
@SigDrums
Yeah, I agree w/ danielhmanning. It seems Jesus would have lived in the Historic Iron Age (~600BC - 500AD).
See the "Near East timeline" @ wikipedia[.]org/wiki/Iron_Age
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recalibration 5 hours ago
I DARE CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS TO ENGAGE D[ MEMBERS OF D CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL ]WHOSE HEAD PASTOR CAN PROVE SCIENTIFICALLY, ARCHAEOLOGICALLY, BIBLICALLY, THAT GOD EXISTS. TO SEE GOD DIRECTLY IS TO BELIEVE? HOW MORONIC OF YOU. HAVE YOU SEEN YOUR BRAIN WITH YOUR OWN EYES? NO INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? CAN YOU SHOW ME ANY ONE WITH HIS EYE BROWS BENEATH HIS EYES. IF YOU DO I WILL JOIN THE RANKS OF THE ATHEISTS. SINCE THERE IS NONE TO SHOW THEN AS THEY SAY IN FENCING "TOUCHE" YOUR LOGIC IS DEFEATED!!!
CONDUIT99PERCENT 8 hours ago
@CONDUIT99PERCENT The ''caps lock'' key is just above the ''shift'' key!
chavspotter 8 hours ago
@CONDUIT99PERCENT
The complexity of a system does not imply divinity. If you're unable to comprehend it just means you're @ your intellectual limit(s). Example: Articulate how the device you're using to read _this very msg_ manipulates sub-atomic particles, allowing you access to this global telecomm network.
I've seen my brain. It's called "fMRI".
"[...] eyebrows *beneath* His eyes"? Dafuq?
Don't respond unless you toggle your capslock & correspond like an intelligible being.
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recalibration 7 hours ago
@recalibrationEr, on behalf of theists everywhere,i apologise for CONDUIT99PERCENT's rantings
[i think ''99%'' was a generous figure]
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CONDUIT99PERCENT 8 hours ago
@LeoTheGreater I'm an atheist, first of all. Clearly Jesus wasn't a Christian, he was a Jew, if he did exist. Everything written about him is half-ass scribble that is probably half
wrong at least, written decades after he died. If he existed, he was without almost any doubt a Jew. From what is there, he clearly wasn't an atheist. I've never even heard someone attempt to claim that, ever.
BER2ERKER 10 hours ago
@DrMadolite .. better choice. But you don't even believe he was a person. The fact that you would say your a Christian baffles me; you reject the ideas that created the religion in the first place, yet accept ideas that were around earlier and in much better form. Christianity is explicitly a fulfillment of the OT. Jesus was the heavenly messiah predicted by the Jews, and that why the religion began. You're denying the founding nature of the religion itself. But yeah, I can't be reasoned with,
BER2ERKER 11 hours ago
@BER2ERKER
How curious it is that Jesus was not a Christian and that it was Paul that started Christianity. I submit you must be a Paulist. Personally I follow Jesus who was an atheist.
LeoTheGreater 11 hours ago
@LeoTheGreater
Well, unless we're reading *very* different Bibles, many theologians contend Jesus overtly stated he *was* God. See John 8:58 (NKJV).
IIRC, it's a common conception that Paul started the beginning of what we now know as Catholicism. Talk to MEGAFLOYD100 on here about the divergence.
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recalibration 6 hours ago
@DrMadolite That's not what I said though. I said that Christians (the name comes from Christ, where Christ means savior in a messianic way, referring to the Jewish scripture) believe that Jesus was the messiah, and almost all believe he was god. Clearly they can't agree on much more than that as there are hundreds of sects; that's not my point. Christ is the main premise of the religion. If you're going to believe what you described, then why be a Christian, and not a Confucian? That is a much
BER2ERKER 11 hours ago
@recalibration,explain to me ,an antitheist what you mean.
tontobones 12 hours ago
@megafloyd,if normal thinking people stick together,the world will be a better place.
tontobones 12 hours ago
@legitnoodie,lets get one thing straight,the nazis were for god.Don't believe it,do research
tontobones 12 hours ago
@DrMadolite And you're explicitly wrong about what Christians believe percentage wise. Terribly wrong, flat out delusional, or just a liar. You either have zero knowledge of history and religion, or you're trolling.
BER2ERKER 14 hours ago
@BER2ERKER There's no point reasoning with you, you obviously think that 99% of all christians ALL share an identical view on absolutely everything written in the Bible and that ALL of them believe in the literal interpretation of the book.
So good luck with that.
DrMadolite 14 hours ago
@DrMadolite Strange. How one person's interpretation of an iron-bronze age book trumps the overwhelming majority. Again, I must seemingly apologize; I'm talking about 99% of Christianity. So sorry, bud. You're interpretation is clearly what Christianity really is, even though that's not what the gargantuan majority believes. You're right. Jesus wasn't Christ, he wasn't even a person. Yes, that's Christianity.
BER2ERKER 14 hours ago
I'm not going to argue with nutcases here about religion.
BUT... I am going to say... CAN THE CAMERA SHAKE ANY MORE?!
drumgroovy 14 hours ago
Fighting for the sexual freedom of women. Slutwalkers United.
Wear a "Slutwalker's United" Tattoo.
OUR SLOGANS ARE: "Get a Heart On" and "Do Not Support Condomnation" by religious prudes.
LeoTheGreater 15 hours ago
@FR0STY0115
Hey Frosty: What's the difference between a Snowman and a Snowwoman?
Snowballs!
LeoTheGreater 15 hours ago
@LeoTheGreater lol that was good.
FR0STY0115 11 hours ago
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LeoTheGreater 15 hours ago
There is that which exists beyond which a greater cannot be thought. But that hardly solves the problem as we cannot even imagine "THAT" , beyond which a greater can be thought, let alone that greater which cannot be thought.
Jesus was the Son of Man; he conceded that.
Jesuspeake 16 hours ago
@Jesuspeake
Please explain your interpretation of John 8:58.
recalibration 7 hours ago
@DrMadolite Well I am talking about 99.9% of Christianity. You're right, sorry.
BER2ERKER 16 hours ago
@BER2ERKER No, you're talking about the 1% of christianity that has been glorified and disillusioned on Youtube and internet in general to seem like it's 99,9% of christianity. Because every other christian don't bother go on the internet and talk about their views because it's personal and they're not interested in shoving it into people's faces.
DrMadolite 16 hours ago
@DrMadolite Cont. to hell for saying that, right? That's not what Christianity actually is, that's what you want it to be, or interpret it to be. It's not actually Christianity. So if that's what you and some others interpret the book to be, then fine, but it's not the Christianity of the last two millennia that people are talking about here. Many historians agree that a Jesus figure likely did exist. Even Hitchens concedes this much. So, that kind of kills the idea right there.
BER2ERKER 16 hours ago
@BER2ERKER It's not actually christianity? Who the hell are you to dictate to me what my interpretation of the Jesus are supposed to be or not? All of the bullshit you're attributing to christianity here has nothing to do with the christian faith at the core, it's purely and utterly an insane notion that stems from the batshit insane Bible Belt lunatics from everybody's favorite dumbass country.
It's all just a mashup of fanatics and then just slapped the label Christianity onto it.
DrMadolite 16 hours ago
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i didn't get many responses last time--- please respond in my channel!
i'm a theist, and i know i must learn about atheist view points (rare, huh?)- I think the biggest reason why religion is made up is to Gain power over other minds and individuals. Recently, i've re-read Animal Farm, and i think that if religion is made up, then we are living in the microcosm of Animal Farm currently. who disagrees?
XianRaodon 16 hours ago
@DrMadolite No. If Jesus didn't exist, and wasn't god, then Christianity is completely null and void. The entire religion is based on him being the son of god. Any philosopher of religion or theologian will tell you this. If Jesus wasn't the son of god, then he was a psychopath for saying what he said. If he didn't exist, then the entire thing is a fabrication. If the entire thing is what you describe, then it is no longer Christianity. You do know that 99% of Christians would say you're going
BER2ERKER 16 hours ago
@BER2ERKER You're making the classical mistake of assuming that your idea of christianity is applicable to all christianity. The public, popularized christianity is by many esoteric christians seen as a blatant rape of Jesus Christ.
And no, Jesus doesn't have to have existed in order to be the son of God, as long as what he represents is real and tangible. And I'm pretty sure that humanity is real and that it is through our perfectibility of self that we find "God" - "that which is".
DrMadolite 16 hours ago
@DrMadolite It's kinda funny, because it's almost like the Illuminati myth. Many of the scientists who try to debunk christianity can probably be considered some of Jesus' greatest disciples. Likewise, the conspiracy theorists believing that the Illuminati is trying to take over the world in a NWO (because they want the elitists removed from power) are arguably the greatest allies of the true Illuminati because they are only concerned with the perfectibility and liberty of man.
DrMadolite 16 hours ago
@BER2ERKER
If Jesus did exist, he was not god and I further assert that Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God. In addition the Catholic Church, the Pharisees, Scribes and the masses in general tagged Jesus as the son of god. Jesus' stand alone reply when the Pharisees asked if he was the Son of God was. THOU SAYEST IT. And they did. They made the claim. Jesus did not; he only admitted they all said it; and Christianity deserves to fall flat on its false face for perpetual lies.
Jesuspeake 16 hours ago
@Jesuspeake
What version of the Bible is this? I have both NKJV & KJV. Please cite the specific passage, because our respective readings on John 8:58 seem to be quite divergent.
TIA.
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recalibration 7 hours ago
@MegaFloyd100 Again, you don't respond to my reply, but to a different comment of mine. You do realize I was responding to a stupid comment right? What god do you think the majority of the Nazi party believed in then? What god was included on their belt buckles? It was the god of Abraham, and it wasn't of a Jewish or Muslim kind. When you can show otherwise, then I'll take your rambling comments seriously. Watch a video by NonStampCollector about Hitler and atheism.
BER2ERKER 17 hours ago
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disassociate1 19 hours ago
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amojak 20 hours ago
If it doesn't matter if Sokrates existed or not, why should it matter whether Jesus existed or not?
DrMadolite 21 hours ago
@DrMadolite because Socrates doesnt tell he readers that if they do not accept his doctrine, they will rot and perish in hellfire.
ProphetJephri 20 hours ago
@DrMadolite because if Socrates didn't exist his work is still there and still real, but if jesus didn't exist, well the basis of Christianity are destroyed. If Jesus was not the son of god, well there's no need for religion.
louisuniverse 17 hours ago
@louisuniverse The basis of Christianity would be destroyed? How do you know that? You seem to assume that the literal translation of the bible is what makes up christianity, you couldn't be further from the truth.
No true esoteric christian gives a crap about whether Jesus existed or not, because his existence is not what his message was all about. Even a fictional character can bring the message of Jesus and still it'd be valid.
DrMadolite 17 hours ago
@DrMadolite In fact, Jesus most likely IS a fictional character because he wasn't a single person, he was a linguistic representation of the self as he/she reaches the ultimate spiritual state of perfectly trusting and serving the Universe as it actually is - also called "The one, true God".
I guess the sunday school didn't teach you this view though, so no wonder you think Christianity is effed up.
DrMadolite 17 hours ago
@DrMadolite He was Man. "I am the light, the way and the eternity." "I" as being the conscious self, not him specifically. But in our modern day world rape of the original methods of authoring books such as the Bible, this wisdom has been lost.
DrMadolite 17 hours ago
@DrMadolite
What is your interpretation of John 8:58?
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recalibration 6 hours ago
@recalibration That Abraham wasn't the first perfectible human being on the planet, pretty much. That which Jesus reflects onto humanity, was not engineered by Abraham. It was an intrinsic part of humanity and Abraham can basically go fuck himself.
DrMadolite 6 hours ago
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@DrMadolite
Ah yes, the crux of the New Covenant. Yet, if that be true, why the conflicting statements of Matt 5:17?
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recalibration 5 hours ago
@DrMadolite lol soooo, if harry potter told you you'd go in hell if you didn't believe in him... that would still be valid... oh yeahh... you're soo smart.
louisuniverse 17 hours ago
@louisuniverse If you don't believe in yourself, if you don't give a shit about what you want in life and if you live in zombified state of slavery of others - then yes your life DOES become a living hell.
Just read my other replies.
DrMadolite 17 hours ago
@DrMadolite '''If you don't believe in yourself, if you don't give a shit about what you want in life and if you live in zombified state of slavery of others'' to me that's a great description of Christianity.
louisuniverse 16 hours ago
@louisuniverse Yes, but christianity isn't 1 person, it consists of billions of people who all have their own ideas about Jesus Christ and whatnot. Maybe you should watch less Youtube videos and go out into the world and look at the various christian directions. Just a thought.
DrMadolite 16 hours ago
@DrMadolite no thanks, religion is a plague to human society, i'll never consider it again. i wish for the fall of all religion. it has caused enough harm to mankind. fuck this shit.
louisuniverse 16 hours ago
@louisuniverse So people had nothing to do with it, then? I'm sorry, but personally I'd like to put the blame on the actual people who did the atrocities. You don't arrest a firearm for killing a person, you arrest the person who fired it.
And no, removing all firearms doesn't prevent people from killing eachother, because you'll still have knives, fists and contaminated food. I mean, your logic could be used to call atheism a plague onto society as well. Remember Stalin?
DrMadolite 16 hours ago
@DrMadolite the difference is, that when someone kills some one in the name of religion, they think they're doing the right thing, it's a justification for insane people. when someone kills with a gun, ofcourse we do not arrest thegun, we arrest theguy, but if he claims to be doing it because a magic dog told him to, we try to fix what's wrong in his brain. religion is a neurological disorder, and what makes it as plague to society is that we excuse these people because they say it's ''faith''.
louisuniverse 14 hours ago
@louisuniverse Religion a neurological disorder? Wow, these CRAZY people birthed democracy, modern science & art & literature.Any list of the giants of physical science would include Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Boyle, Pascal, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, all of whom, despite denominational and doctrinal differences among them, and opposition that some experienced from church authorities, were deeply committed to Jesus Christ.WHICH OF THESE GUYS NEED THERAPY YOU UNGRATEFUL,DISPESPECTFUL CHILD.
MegaFloyd100 7 hours ago
@MegaFloyd100
This only applies if you wilfully ignore the contributions of a long linage of contributors & actions of the theocracy.
The church's respond to Copernicus? Denouncement, ridicule, heresy. Even Martin Luther spoke out against on the grounds it conflict w/ his (ML) view of Scriptures.
The then church's back pedaling then revision of De revolutionibus began (1620). Galileo: convicted of heresy & house arrest for life (1633). Their works were not unbanned until 1835.
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recalibration 6 hours ago
@recalibration ''This only applies if you wilfully ignore the contributions of a long linage of contributors & actions of the theocracy.''
my apologies, but im confusing my threads & can't tell which of my posts/rants you are rebutting in this particular case.
MegaFloyd100 2 hours ago
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@louisuniverse ''the difference is, that when someone kills some one in the name of religion, they think they're doing the right thing???''
NO,if a christian acts as you describe ,they are inconsistent with their own professed beliefs,[which is why they get called hypocrites]BUT.if a communist or nazi etc kills they are acting in ACCORDANCE with their belief system.Human rights was a christian concept,as was animal rights ,you victim.
MegaFloyd100 7 hours ago
@louisuniverse ''religion is a plague to human society?''
Protestant Christianity overthrew the Catholic churches power,& the resultant free thinking founded Modern Science,Art & Literature & ,Democracy & even Athiesm! ,its hard to know where to start with your ridiculous parroting of politically correct groupthink.You are one of Stalins ''useful idiots''.
MegaFloyd100 8 hours ago
@DrMadolite
I agree. Even Superman's message to fight for Truth, Justice and the American way has wide appeal. Jesus dialogue rings true because he knew that he himself was Everyman with the whole potential range of emotions, urges, fears, anxieties, appetites, physical and emotional needs, instinctual drives and reactions common to all. He had only to consult his own soul to imagine how any character would react because he, like we, was a microcosm of the whole human race.
Jesuspeake 16 hours ago
@DrMadolite
So one shouldn't worry about The Unpardonable Sin (Mark 3:28, Matt 12:31, Luke 12:8 NKJV)?
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recalibration 6 hours ago
@recalibration Have you ever tried recovering from denying yourself the very essence of what makes you you? It's pretty unforgiving, if you ask me.
DrMadolite 6 hours ago
@DrMadolite
Off topic, but I'll indulge you:
I bow to no god that'd judge me a sinner BEFORE I DREW MY FIRST BREATH.
I follow no prophet that forces his salvation because your god FUCKED UP HIS FIRST PRODUCTION RUN.
This body is but a vassal forged fr the contradictions of your dogma. I program myself. I am the essence of me.
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recalibration 5 hours ago
@recalibration Good, you're right on track.
DrMadolite 5 hours ago
@DrMadolite
"Right on track" LOL. Thanks? I'm quite aware of the simulacrum, its implications & how to navigate it. Still off topic, what is your opinion of the soft sciences, specifically psychology? I'm curious to know the most pronounced of your personality matrix.
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recalibration 4 hours ago
@recalibration How exactly am I supposed to answer what my opinions are about psychology? It is what it is. I don't understand your question.
Do I like psychology? I neither like nor dislike it, it's a general area of science on the mental capacities of conscious beings. It consists on a multitude of fields, each field made up by a wide range of specific theories - some of which are good, others bad. Some are concrete, others are vague.
DrMadolite 14 minutes ago
@legitnoobie cont. in other words, was what he famously said. This was in no means a theist god, or even a deist god, it was an idea about physics and the universe. Hitler's entire Mein Kampf and many, many speeches of his, explicitly contain the word Creator, Lord etc. The Nazi world and it's the soldiers were Christians. The Vatican supported him, and even celebrated his birthday every year. Try researching things once in a while. The hate of Jews came directly from the Christianity of Europe
BER2ERKER 1 day ago
@BER2ERKER Dude,its reallysimple.If jesus would not have done it ,it aint Christian,whatever one claims.False flag operations are a modern espionage trick,do you think Satan is ignorant of such tactics?eg;Anyone could claim they killed in the name of BER2ERKER to justfy their crime,but does that make BER2ERKER responsable??? Its just like saying ''the devil made me do it'.' BUT MAYBE THIS CONCEPT IS TOO SUBTLE FOR YOU TO FOLLOW.
MegaFloyd100 1 day ago
@BER2ERKER ''The Nazi world and it's the soldiers were Christians.'' yeah,thats why they put so many Christians in concetration camps & destriyed Churches.Like every politician,Hitler knew the value of the 'rentacrowd' that comes with declaring ''God is on your side'' to gullible peasants.But to claim Hitlers was a Christian regime?? SOURCES PLEASE! What historians concurr with you? Who can take any of your arguments seriously now???You have revealed yourself by stooping so low.
MegaFloyd100 23 hours ago
@legitnoobie Einstein didn't believe in a higher power or spirituality in the way you falsely offer. He believed in the god of physics, an idea that many scientists use to describe the underlying nature of the universe. He believed in physical determinism (it turns out that he was wrong, and his "greatest blunder" was actually his obsession with this, and not the cosmological constant like he thought), and the god of physics idea is actually a perfect metaphor for this. God doesn't throw dice,
BER2ERKER 1 day ago
@MegaFloyd100 Yes, comment on a random comment that I made, rather than perhaps my actual second reply to you. You definitely fit right in with the YouTube theists.
BER2ERKER 1 day ago
Why people still believe these Illuminati deceptions, I will never understand. Then again, I don't have any self-sh motive when it comes to theology.
saintstrawman 1 day ago
@honeyman1964 cont. his work and his writings, something that you won't be, by your own choice. You choose the easy way, believing in what makes you happy. You cop-out of real responsibility and real meaning in life because you have *hope* that this life is just some small, meaningless part of a divine plan. This life is the only thing we have, based on everything we know to be true. I'll make my life a good one, free of the shackles of religion and the prison it creates in every theist's mind.
BER2ERKER 1 day ago
@BER2ERKER ''the shackles of religion and the prison it creates in every theist's mind''.
As Christianity founded Modern Science,Art & Literature,Free thinking & Democracy[& even Athiesm!],its hard to know where to start with your ridiculous parroting of politically correct groupthink slogans.
MegaFloyd100 1 day ago
@MegaFloyd100
You know nothing of what you speak. I've refuted these points time & time again. You can copy & paste, yes, but have an absolute lack of insight & revel in intellectual cowardice. You are an outright lying bitch incapable of thinking beyond argumentum ad invincible.
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recalibration 1 day ago
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MegaFloyd100 1 day ago
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@recalibrationYou have not refuted any of my historical FACTS, you just mocked them. &in so doing used a latin term birthed from Christian Philosophy, which ironically supports my claims of Western Academic debt owed to Christianity! I can back up my claims that Christianity founded Modern Science,Art & Literature,Free thinking & Democracy & Athiesm!.I can provide sources.All you do is complain & sprout the party line,comrade.Mao & Stalin were proud of manufacturing useful idiots like you.
MegaFloyd100 1 day ago
@MegaFloyd100
(I don't know why/who marked your comment as spam. Not cool at all.)
I'm aware its origins, as T. Aquinas is stated to have used it sometime before 1275. It is also alleged to have been used in the 3rd century.
Now, as speaking to someone who's only been introduced to the name Epicurus within the last 2 wks, are you sure you want to continue w/ this assertion? I am more than happy to break it down, but be aware it will most likely be a 12 part response or even more.
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recalibration 9 hours ago
@recalibration re your epicurean stuff.i am actually interested in understanding your viewpoint here,as it is a blind spot for me.i dont care how many posts it takes if your up to it,i will read them.
MegaFloyd100 2 hours ago
@MegaFloyd100
Umm, Democracy and Free Thought pre-date Christianity as the best recorded proponents of these where the Bronze age Greeks. Also I fail to see how the 1000 years of suppressing peoples inclination to learn (aka the dark ages), that was a direct result of Christian Law in Europe, founded Science.
You might want to read some actual history some time before you start making claims.
surmasampo 23 hours ago
@surmasampo If Christianity was stuck in a 15th century time warp you may be correct.But a few things have happened since then.Luther began a revolution in which many Protestants rebelled & died to champion individual rights & the questioning of authority,separate church from state,art,literature etc.I am happy to be corrected if this scource is wrong.Otherwise,quote your sources.
SOURCE -BBC YouTube DOCUMENTARY ''THE PROTESTANT REVOLOUTION PT 3 '' Tristram Hunt .
MegaFloyd100 23 hours ago
@honeyman1964 Well of course, it's all about death and the fear of death, and it always will be. You believe that because you have hope in life after death, that life after death is real? I'm not willing to take that chance with my life, by living like a slave to iron age mythology and throwing away my dignity and reason. It doesn't matter what we hope for, or what makes us happy. What matters is the truth. The truth is: no matter if Hitchens is dead and never will live again, he is immortal in
BER2ERKER 1 day ago
ok before i say anything let me just say that im not religious,but i am spiritual in the sense that i believe in a higher power like einstein did, but let me just say that almost all atheists are absolute hypocrites, for instance, atheists, constantly say that religion has caused more lives to be lost than anything else, that is false, Hitler, slaughtered 6 million jews because of his Darwinian beliefs of weeding out the bad genes, stalin who killed 20 million people, as an atheist.
legitnoobie 1 day ago
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@legitnoobie
1.) "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- C. Hitchens
Thus, is there any reason to seriously consider your spirituality?
2.) a.) Hilter used used religion as a method to shape society in rallying against Judaism. b.) You need to look into how a "cult of personality" acts as a surrogate for traditional religion.
Now shut your stupid, you make Canucks look bad.
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recalibration 1 day ago
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Very few Christians understand: 1. Jesus was not a Christian. 2. The Nature of faith. 3. Where Jesus said the Kingdom is.
4. What 666 the number is. 5. The Name of the Number 6 The Mark of the Number
7. What Ham actually did to cause the Curse of Ham's son Canaan by Noah
8. How Moses led the Exodus by night and by day.
9. How Jesus fed the multitudes
10 How he escaped from the tomb after the crucifixion.
Jesuspeake 1 day ago
@Jesuspeake Dude, you must be arguing well,because someone is marking your comments as ''spam.''I dont agree with anything you bloody say,but as your replys are respectful ,well considered & obviously posted in good faith,i am ''flagging them as ''not spam''.i think there are assholes in both camps.
MegaFloyd100 1 day ago
@atheists.do not be afraid to voice your opinion.I know there is a multitude out there ,praying to something they don't believe in,but they want to keep their jobs.But i hope i can give you strength to do what you know is right.In 1984 ,the british miners went on strike for 1 year,no pay no dole .We were up against the might of the british government.We stayed on strike for 1 year,it cost thatcher 3 billion £s at that time.Now in britain there are 10 pits left.The working man united will win
tontobones 1 day ago
@tontobones
I openly wage metaphysical war on those daring to speak of mysticism. It's not only because of Hitchens & others, but because of Luke 12:10.
You Christians would dare tell me of John 8:32, then in the next breath, tell me if I question or correct your Christ I'll spend eternity in hellfire? Fuck you & your book.
Now I research & develop new ways to deconstruct all the Abrahamic bullshit. & least you expose yourself as a hypocrite, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
recalibration 1 day ago
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@recalibration ''I research & develop new ways to deconstruct all the Abrahamic bullshit. & least you expose yourself as a hypocrite, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.''
that is true,because Protestant Christians fought & died to pass the ''TOLERATION ACT'' in the 17th century,you are now free to spend your life trying to destroy christianity,& there's not a damn thing we can do about it!THE IRONY!
MegaFloyd100 1 day ago
@tontobones Miners strikes?athiests do not be afraid to voice your opinion or lose jobs??My apologies,i do not understand.What are you getting at?
MegaFloyd100 1 day ago
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Adam and Eve chose not to obey God, showing that their desire was to sin. So how can mankind blame God? If it is your desire to have peace, turn to the Lord Jesus Christ today. "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." Matt. 11:28
KingdomSeeker2012 1 day ago
@KingdomSeeker2012
If your god really is omniscient, then he set up Adam & Eve to fail. If he's not omniscient, then why call him God? A better question would be: why such a being would _even bother creating existence_?
Until you can answer these questions, cease your pathetic proselytizing.
Furthermore, the sins of the father are not sins of mine.
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recalibration 1 day ago
@recalibration which religion do u come from? do u know ur religion as much u know the others? do u succeed in worshipping ur God? i am god ( ur god )!
psybera1987 1 day ago
@psybera1987
If you are God, you have so very much to answer for.
The rest of your comment is irrelevant.
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recalibration 1 day ago
@recalibration ''he sins of the father are not sins of mine.'' -what about the blessings of the father,i bet you claim THEM as yours.
MegaFloyd100 1 day ago
@MegaFloyd100
I'm not going to answer such a question fr someone that believes civilization started in the in 1600s. Evidence of your blatant ignorance is rife throughout these comments & anyone can find them by simply searching "MF0" (that "MF"+"zero").
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recalibration 1 day ago
@recalibration ''fr someone that believes civilization started in the in 1600s.''
the reason i focus on the 16th century is because EVERY athiest is in a time warp thinking Christianity is the Roman Catholic church of 500 yrs ago.They ALL are fighting a battle protestants shed blood for & won for them 500 years ago,in creepy lockstep with Stalins groupthink,
MegaFloyd100 23 hours ago
@MegaFloyd100
Well sir, it's a shame we've been slinging mud for the last few days & only now you mention this. I did say I was aware of Luther. I agree there's a misconception that Catholicism == Christianity. IIRC, the fact the modern "church" was based on the apostle Paul was pivotal to Cath. dominance.
In my case & as I've stated, I go back to as far as ~400BC. I don't think clinging to the Reformation is intellectual honesty. There's so very much more in this rich tapestry.
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recalibration 6 hours ago
359 people think that JC will return to earth and get CH
canadaqbank 1 day ago
genius
dethronegod123 1 day ago
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4. What 666 the number is. 5. The Name of the Number 6 The Mark of the Number
7. What Ham actually did to cause the Curse of Ham's son Canaan by Noah
8. How Moses led the Exodus by night and by day.
9. How Jesus fed the multitudes
10 How he escaped from the tomb after the crucifixion.
Jesuspeake 1 day ago
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Jesuspeake 1 day ago
well mr hitchins will be giving a full account of himself before Christ. As we all will. Be ready!
MrJBSTINE 1 day ago
@MrJBSTINE Shut up. No ones interested in your nonsense.
Flipper79able 1 day ago
@Flipper79able ditto
MrJBSTINE 1 day ago
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@MrJBSTINE
Speaking of lies, let's speak of the sin of omission:
Can you tell me fr what land came the matriarch of the Caanites? Can you tell me what was the name of Cain's wife?
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recalibration 1 day ago
i'm a theist, and i know i must learn about atheist view points (rare, huh?)- I think the biggest reason why religion is made up is to Gain power over other minds and individuals. Recently, i've re-read Animal Farm, and i think that if religion is made up, then we are living in the microcosm of Animal Farm currently. who disagrees?
XianRaodon 1 day ago
@XianRaodon
I cannot speak for everyone, but my personal experience is there's a massive gulf between those not afraid to investigate, learn, have their perceptions challenged v simply wrapping oneself in a spiritual security blanket.
I charge accepting someone's belief w/ out falsifiability is naive & makes you susceptible to manipulation.
I have a book I'm currently enjoying, conveniently titled "A Beginner's Guide to The Scientific Method" ... would you like a copy of it?
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recalibration 1 day ago
@XianRaodon
Also, I admire your choice to personally investigate the positions of dissenting voices.
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recalibration 1 day ago
@honeyman,Gods word.Simple.I just throwed in stupid.Your own words,empty head
tontobones 1 day ago
@tontobones I can't talk to people like you.No comments.
honeyman1964 1 day ago
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@honeyman1964
You can't answer direct questions either. Again, you state your book is "the real truth". So what was the name of Enoch's mother, the matriarch of the Caanites? What land did she originate?
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recalibration 1 day ago
@honeyman1964 Somebody of your caliber calling Hitchens stupid or uniformed is worthless and meaningless. You have no say.
BER2ERKER 2 days ago 2
@BER2ERKER Its very meaningful to me,I have as much say,or more than his education,which is meaningless to me.He taught all those years his belief,and now he is dead at age 62,and according to his belief,that's all he is,dead.Sad.I am glad I have hope beyond death.I wish he had changed his ways before he died.
honeyman1964 1 day ago
@BER2ERKER verifiably*
BER2ERKER 2 days ago
@MegaFloyd100 cont. know to be scientifically and verifiable true.
BER2ERKER 2 days ago
@MegaFloyd100 Not entirely sure how you came to that "conclusion" there, but I really
don't care to know. Also it's philosophical, with an "o". That may seem trivial, but it's telling. Anyone with at least some experience with philosophy courses or knowledge of it otherwise wouldn't make that mistake. My "argument" (it wasn't even an argument, it was a description of why I would justifiably separate two given topics) is based on a logical overview of the scientific method and everything we kno
BER2ERKER 2 days ago
and yes his recent passing is very unfortunate.
tallguy18431 2 days ago
unfortunately, he misrepresents the gospels, he misrepresents what Jesus said, he misrepresents Lewis, he misrepresents what the Bible actually says about the witnesses, he ignores the proofs that are accepted to validate historical accuracy/legitimacy of recorded documents....how can one take what he says without questioning his homework? it's very hard to take a man seriously who can't do his homework enough to properly represent an opposing argument.
tallguy18431 2 days ago
@tallguy18431 Well said. I agree.
pmfrankcabrera 2 days ago
taking the bible out of context. Thats all Im saying. Hitchens really is a brilliant man and a gifted speaker. He left this world at too young of an age. RIP
ticles 2 days ago
the problem is that he is taking some of what jesus said out of context. When jesus said to drop everything and leave your family he meant that you must be ready to do this for his sake and for the sake of God. Now for someone who believes in God and believes that Jesus was his Son this makes sense. For someone who isn't a believer I can see how this would seem crazy, because if you don't believe then you do not believe in the promise of spending eternity with God. People need to be careful with
ticles 2 days ago
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the problem is that he is taking some of what jesus said out of context. When jesus said to drop everything and leave your family he meant that you must be ready to do this for his sake and for the sake of God. Now for someone who believes in God and believes that Jesus was his Son this makes sense. For someone who isn't a believer I can see how this would seem crazy, because if you don't believe then you do not believe in the promise of spending eternity with God. People need to be careful with
ticles 2 days ago
the problem is that he is taking some of what jesus said out of context. When jesus said to drop everything and leave your family he meant that you must be ready to do this for his sake and for the sake of God. Now for someone who believes in God and believes that Jesus was his Son this makes sense. For someone who isn't a believer I can see how this would seem crazy, because if you don't believe then you do not believe in the promise of spending eternity with God. People need to be careful with
ticles 2 days ago
This guy is dead,he was 62.The cause was pneumonia, a complication of esophageal cancer.I don't hate this guy,but he wont be spreading any more lies.
honeyman1964 2 days ago
@honeyman1964
Speaking of lies, let's speak of the sin of omission:
Can you tell me fr what land came the matriarch of the Caanites? Can you tell me what was the name of Cain's wife?
recalibration 2 days ago
@recalibration sin of omision,to know to do good and doeth it not,it is sin.I guess we are all guilty of that,don't you?whats your questions have to do with this guy?
honeyman1964 2 days ago
@honeyman1964
You state your book is "the real truth". So what was the name of Enoch's mother? Is it not important to the whole "begetting" aspect of OT?
recalibration 2 days ago
This guy is so ignorant and stupid,its unreal.
honeyman1964 2 days ago
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@honeyman1964
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- C. Hitchens
I like how you're really living Matt 5:22 .
recalibration 2 days ago
@honeyman1964 What makes you say that? You have made a statement,now defend it .Why is this guy "so ignorant and stupid,its unreal"?
FR0STY0115 2 days ago
@FR0STY0115 Because he was ignorant to the bible,the real truth,all he knows is to be educated by man and not Gods word.Simple.I just throwed in stupid,but he probably didn't know any better.I hope he found God before he died.
honeyman1964 2 days ago
@honeyman1964 Like what?What did he misinterpret?Even the Christians cant agree on what the Bible says or what Jesus's messages was.That is why there is multiple Christian religions because all follow the Bible "or claim to"but yet none can agree on what it even says. The truth is Christianity is a young religion If we all spawned from two people who knew god on a first hand basis, wouldn't a religion worshiping him be the first ever relgion
FR0STY0115 1 day ago
@FR0STY0115 The bible is the most misinterpreted book ever written, The term Christ represents paternal senses, though can one teach another anything regrading their own minds conditionings? Its all inclusive which is why its such a difficult subject to discuss in person, being real. Do we often not truly say what we want when we are being subjected to others opinions? Does everyone want to feel that they are successful?
DrFruedienslip 1 day ago
@DrFruedienslip Waffle.
SethHesio 1 day ago
@DrFruedienslip
It seems the crux of your comment is that the perception of others is the key influencing factor on our perception of self. I charge that is tantamount to self induced slavery. Success, like the terms "sanity" & "cool" are defined by the definitions of others.
(Sidenote: Have you tried a MBTI evaluation yet? I've found one that I think is well rounded.)
The only thing the herd was ever good for was leading itself to slaughter. So fuck that. ;-)
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recalibration 1 day ago
@DrFruedienslip umm o.k What are you talking about?
FR0STY0115 1 day ago
@FR0STY0115 We are always subjected within many modes of pretention, even that is in the bible somewhere, the way I read the book is as it is, an allegoric fable being writtten by one Poet, who shall remain nameless at this point, Catholocism isnt anything more than a pracitice in rituals which promotes mysticism, the bible I have also has some fake authorships within the Epistles even though I know who wrote it and what it was about, combined with much fiction, comparison is wide
DrFruedienslip 15 hours ago
@DrFruedienslip Yes I agree.
FR0STY0115 11 hours ago
Jesus had some pretty good things to say, I would even go so far as to call them important things, like "for this cause shall a man leave father and mother and shall cleave to his wife and they twain shall be one flesh," "for you have the poor always with you but me you have not always," and "even sinners lend to sinners expecting to be repaid in full." But I wouldn't peg him as the savior of the human race, the one and only promised messiah.
handsomebrick 2 days ago
Note the Sadhus of India, the REAL Sadhus. They leave their family to practice yoga and find God. They take no thought of the morrow, the love not mammon or flesh. They exist to nourish spirit. That is not to say that this gives creedence to Jesus's historical viability, it only points that you cannot love both God and mammon, you must love one and hate the other. Want CWAAAAAZY? Read the book of Enoch.
louidoggify 2 days ago
Miss Hitch already
chitownthinker 2 days ago
I find this a shallow assessment of Jesus's teaching "make no plans for tomorrow" his disciples has treasurer, they had homes and they worked and planned. The message was more about balance and ultimate goals in life. Do do not be obsessed with becoming rich and focus only on natural things they are better more long lasting things available in life not only when you die but right now. I know it a debate but if read the gospels with some thought you would find this same message
midnightwatchman1 2 days ago
The true core of christianity are the older myths that it mirrors.
jesusisaklingon 2 days ago
@MegaFloyd100 ...of "leap of faith"; even so, it is still intrinsically different than the belief that it is possible to prove that Jesus was the son of God. Everything we know would have to be thrown out. Abiogenesis is still a science based theory and is rooted in biology and experimental as a function of biology. Unless one adopts it in a dogmatic way and assumes, its measurably different than the previous topic. I do agree that atheist people do this in many cases though; I don't, however.
BER2ERKER 2 days ago
@MegaFloyd100 No, in and of itself, no. The difference is that one is a dogmatic belief and one is in principle a scientific theory. Unless one makes assumptions and has convictions based on non-evidence, in terms of abiogenesis, then it isn't a leap of faith. I accept that it is a scientifically verifiable theory, and that it does not presently account for the origin of life. If one assumes that it does, with the limited data in terms of experiment and observation, then it becomes a type "leap
BER2ERKER 2 days ago
@BER2ERKER your argument only makes sense if you define science as synonymous with ''naturalism''.Hence your argument is a philisophical statement masked as an empiracle one.You are obviously so imbued with this worldview you cant see the difference or think any other way.Sorry.you cant have it both ways.Abiogenisis is a necessary faith leap for the religion of evolutionary naturalism.Haleleulla!Praise Nature![may peace be upon her]
MegaFloyd100 2 days ago
@MegaFloyd100
Again: you do not have an understanding betwn the discipline's demarcation points & are unable to grasp that concept. Evolution doesn't need abiogenesis for it's merits as it's fact.
I charge you are unable to articulate how the device you're using _as you read this very message_ manipulates sub-atomic particles allowing you to communicate on this global telecomm network. Yet, you "know" your position is righteous.
The complexity of a system does not imply divinity.
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recalibration 2 days ago
@recalibration just recently scientists have taken steps closer to proving abiogenisis. its just a matter of time until we have a working model and experimental data.
They already showed evolution in process with evolved Yeast .
ProphetJephri 1 day ago
@ProphetJephri
& fruit flies, etc., etc., etc. Denying evolution today is tantamount to believe in a geocentric Solar System 350-odd yrs ago.
"Gravity is a theory. It is also a fact. Anyone who disagrees is invited to jump out a ten story window." -- R. Dawkins
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recalibration 1 day ago
Wow did he miss the point. It usually takes the grossly over-educated to make simple things hard. The words in scripture are about the fact that God takes care of his own. Now to worry about getting out of bed or to just lie there & contemplate your navel. I gather he forgot that Christians are to be about God's works. Hmm I guess he missed that one. Well anything to further one's cause even if it's wrong. To gloss over a resurrection is quite a leap. Even for an egg head.
1timby 2 days ago
Funny that he says, "Jesus tells you 'mind no morrow' and likens this to leaving one's family" when he himself left his family/wife for his own girlfriend.
DarkSeraphGurl 3 days ago
@Jesuspeake- We know from historical & archeological data, the bible is not a history book portraying accurate events, nor truths about certain cultures. It is a book of ideology- idealized accounts.
rooio3 3 days ago
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@rooio3 (1) WRONG. Look into the secret societies that these same politicians calling for a New World Order are apart of. They are Luciferian occultists with an agenda to abolish all spiritual and religious aspects of society to then usher in the anti-Christ who will rule over mankind through a tyrannical Luciferian one-world government. (This is their demonic religious belief and agenda.)
Yrhp8268 2 days ago
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@rooio3 (2) But first, they have to construct a global secular society. Look at the back of a 1-dollar bill. They hide their symbolism in plain view. You see the Illuminati pyramid with the Freemasonic all-seeing eye at the top (aka the "eye of Lucifer"). Underneath, it reads "novus ordo seclorum," which is latin for a "new secular order." Above the eye, it reads "annuit coeptis" which means "he favors our undertaking." ... "He" being Lucifer.
Yrhp8268 2 days ago
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@rooio3 (3) Please, I urge you to look into the nefarious Luciferian religious beliefs of the politicians & elites currently running our world. Watch two YouTube documentaries called "The Arrivals" & "Lucifer god of the Illuminati." They will explain it to you much better than I can. Also, do a search for the New World Order & one-world government.
Watch our politicians call for a "new world order" at:
h t t p : / / 911truthseeker . webs . com / thenewworldorder . htm
Yrhp8268 2 days ago
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@rooio3 "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless they will take a Luciferian initiation."
-David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
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