After watching about 80 minutes straight of your conversation I believe I am finally tired and calling it a night.
Thank you again for making the response videos. Though a few of them debated issues that really had no relevance to my video, I enjoyed them all just the same.
But, all in all, I would have to either completely redefine my interpretation of the bible, almost like a gnostic, or drop the bible completely, and look for something else to define these experiences that would not define the form as the creator of life.
But I am very very very glad to say, I do not have this problem star.
Of course, I would have to find out what it is I have been experiencing all my life, so it would actually begin a search for an undetected form of life. The new testament has everything I have experienced defined, and actually has placed it in a very decent order. I would have to figure out what Jesus was, what the Holy Ghost is, and why only certain people experience it. I would also have to figure out why my conscience is driven to forgive the unforgivable, and the guilt of sin.
1) There is objectively verifiable evidence that abiogenesis can happen,
2) There is no evidence whatsoever backing up the account of Genesis,
3) Therefore preference towards Genesis is arbitrary and can only be based on personal experiences,
so....
Exactly how substantial does the evidence need to be to sway that belief? I mean "irrefutable" (as you said) is pretty hardcore as far as evidence goes.
Now after 90 minutes of video, you ask a simple question, and I am going to answer it to the best of my ability, and I hope it satisfies your curiosity.
I have never had much respect for abiogenesis because it is evolutionary theory being used in a place it does not belong. Evolution is meant to explain the origin of species, not the origin of life. It literally tries to make nonliving matter micro evolve into macro changes. I believe the whole concept is putting a circle where a square...
My intention was not to "break" abiogenesis, but to show a more logical choice.
If abiogenesis had been observed 1,000,000 times, compared to the astronomical amount of times we have seen life come from life, the sheer arrogance to believe we are the only life in existence is a total intellectual blunder I do believe. It would still be more logical to believe life had come from some other life.
Oh, and finally, regarding the Europa part... if he is educated enough (which I doubt) he could probably weasel his way out of that by adopting some kind of panspermia position claiming that the life from Earth had migrated to bodies outside the Earth system.
....and I think you have made the same points... plus many many more valid counter-arguments to his epic fail of a video.
I hope he tries to respond to this series so he can be ridiculed further, but I think we both know he won't bother because he is an intellectual midget...
1) "The God of the bible has all the attributes nessicary to etc."
So does the God of the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, Ancient greeks, Ancient egyptians... I could go on...
2) The premise that life always comes from life is fallacious if you use the logical fallacy of 'special pleading' to assume that the first life did not have to fulfill this critera.
3) All the scientific evidence is not in your favour I'm afraid.
You really should have more subscribers... and I'm proud to be in the first few when you do. I posted a comment on jazzyhap's video before I viewed this series which went as follows:-
After watching about 80 minutes straight of your conversation I believe I am finally tired and calling it a night.
Thank you again for making the response videos. Though a few of them debated issues that really had no relevance to my video, I enjoyed them all just the same.
jazzyhap 2 years ago
But, all in all, I would have to either completely redefine my interpretation of the bible, almost like a gnostic, or drop the bible completely, and look for something else to define these experiences that would not define the form as the creator of life.
But I am very very very glad to say, I do not have this problem star.
jazzyhap 2 years ago
Of course, I would have to find out what it is I have been experiencing all my life, so it would actually begin a search for an undetected form of life. The new testament has everything I have experienced defined, and actually has placed it in a very decent order. I would have to figure out what Jesus was, what the Holy Ghost is, and why only certain people experience it. I would also have to figure out why my conscience is driven to forgive the unforgivable, and the guilt of sin.
jazzyhap 2 years ago
putting a circle where a square should be.
But, you asked me how would I react if I found it to be true.
First, as I said in an earlier post, I would still find it more logical to believe life comes from life.
But lets take it a step further, and say it is irrefutable evidence that this is exactly how life began on earth, no intelligence involved.
I would have to conclude that the creation story of genesis is wrong.
jazzyhap 2 years ago
1) There is objectively verifiable evidence that abiogenesis can happen,
2) There is no evidence whatsoever backing up the account of Genesis,
3) Therefore preference towards Genesis is arbitrary and can only be based on personal experiences,
so....
Exactly how substantial does the evidence need to be to sway that belief? I mean "irrefutable" (as you said) is pretty hardcore as far as evidence goes.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Now after 90 minutes of video, you ask a simple question, and I am going to answer it to the best of my ability, and I hope it satisfies your curiosity.
I have never had much respect for abiogenesis because it is evolutionary theory being used in a place it does not belong. Evolution is meant to explain the origin of species, not the origin of life. It literally tries to make nonliving matter micro evolve into macro changes. I believe the whole concept is putting a circle where a square...
jazzyhap 2 years ago
No it's not. Evolution has a very precise biological meaning which simply cannot be applied to "life from non-life".
starfedrogue 2 years ago
My intention was not to "break" abiogenesis, but to show a more logical choice.
If abiogenesis had been observed 1,000,000 times, compared to the astronomical amount of times we have seen life come from life, the sheer arrogance to believe we are the only life in existence is a total intellectual blunder I do believe. It would still be more logical to believe life had come from some other life.
jazzyhap 2 years ago
So, what... if we had observed abiogenesis a million times, you'd still be saying "it's more logical to believe life came from some other life"?
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Oh, and finally, regarding the Europa part... if he is educated enough (which I doubt) he could probably weasel his way out of that by adopting some kind of panspermia position claiming that the life from Earth had migrated to bodies outside the Earth system.
...but still, that would be stretching it.
comface 2 years ago
Well he can certainly SAY that, but it's my scenario, and I think the completely alien DNA of the Europan life might confound that attempt ;)
starfedrogue 2 years ago
....and I think you have made the same points... plus many many more valid counter-arguments to his epic fail of a video.
I hope he tries to respond to this series so he can be ridiculed further, but I think we both know he won't bother because he is an intellectual midget...
Keep up the good work!
comface 2 years ago
Wow. You began so well... however:-
1) "The God of the bible has all the attributes nessicary to etc."
So does the God of the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, Ancient greeks, Ancient egyptians... I could go on...
2) The premise that life always comes from life is fallacious if you use the logical fallacy of 'special pleading' to assume that the first life did not have to fulfill this critera.
3) All the scientific evidence is not in your favour I'm afraid.
Conclusion: FAIL. Educate yourself.
comface 2 years ago
You really should have more subscribers... and I'm proud to be in the first few when you do. I posted a comment on jazzyhap's video before I viewed this series which went as follows:-
comface 2 years ago
Let me guess, JH's reply was something along the lines of "Circular reasoning!" or "I didn't say that [insert something he said here]".
starfedrogue 2 years ago
As you said - Intellectual slaughter. Great :-)
AuntieDiluvian 2 years ago