@shinokiba I gave you peer reviewed studies from independent studies that were NOT funded by any organic companies, farmers, etc. The huge majority of independent studies suggest organic is generally more nutritious and animals fed organically generally lived longer, had less degenerative disease, less illness, better reproduction, etc. I also gave a study done by the French governments food safety agency(AFSSA). USDA reviewed 216 studies, the huge majority found organic is more nutritious.
@shinokiba Orv Heti "Organic crops contain a significantly higher amount of certain antioxidants (vitamin C, polyphenols and flavonoids) and minerals, as well as have higher dry matter content than conventional ones.""there is a lower level of pesticide residues, nitrate and some heavy metal contaminations in organic crops compared to conventional ones." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17297755
@shinokiba Nutr Health "Studies under controlled experimental conditions show a clear advantage for staple food grown under biological/ecological farming conditions as compared to those from conventional farming methods."" lower undesirable (e.g. nitrates) and higher desirable (e.g. vit. C, trace elements) components are present." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3054635
@shinokiba Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen "A review of existing literature reveals that organic foods compared to conventionally produced foods seem to have a higher content of antioxidants in plant products and a higher content of fat-soluble vitamins and omega-3 fatty acids in animal products. Animal studies (among them, on rabbits and chickens) show higher fertility and less morbidity in animals fed organically." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15195159
@shinokiba J Sci Food Agric "A short review of such experiments shows that the majority of these tests revealed effects of the organically produced feed on health parameters such as reproductive performance and immune responses."" The science-based results suggest positive influences from organic feeds" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20355028
Rev Med "Ecological food is tastier and contains more essential amino-acids, vitamin C, and micro-nutriments than usual food" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16610189
@shinokiba AFSSA "1/ organic plant products contain more dry matter and minerals (Fe, Mg); and contain more anti-oxidant micronutrients such as phenols and salicylic acid, 2/ organic animal products contain more polyunsaturated fatty acids""4/ 94–100% of organic food does not contain any pesticide residues, 5/ organic vegetables contain far less nitrates, about 50% less" agronomy-journal"dot"org/index.php?option=com_article&access=doi&doi=10.1051/agro/2009019&Itemid=129
@shinokiba International Journal of Food Sciences and Nutrition study review of organic vs conventional diet in animals. Weight gain was greater in organically fed rats,mortality was lower at 9 weeks,incidence of degenerative diseases was lower. Lower mortality in organically fed rabbits. 2nd and 3rd generation rabbits from organically fed parents exhibited higher birth rates and more viable embryos. Infectious illnesses were less frequent in 2nd generation organically fed animals.
@myndy86 So your proof that organic food is good is that these organic food companies say that they are good. You know how I know that walmart products are the best, because they told me.
@shinokiba 2. "These results indicate that the organic strawberries would have a longer shelf life than the conventional strawberries""There were no fungicides applied to the organic strawberry fields for post-harvest control of gray mold (Botrytis cinerea), in contrast to multiple fungicide applications to the conventional fields." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2931688/
@shinokiba 3. Organic uses less pesticides(and in most cases no pesticides) and more biological pest control like crop rotation, crop cover, predatory insects etc. than conventional. "organic produce carries significantly fewer pesticide residues than conventional produce." nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/faq/BuyOrganicFoodsC.shtml
@shinokiba 3. "Organically grown foods consistently had about one-third as many residues as conventionally grown foods""Conventionally grown and IPM/NDR samples were also far more likely to contain multiple pesticide residues than were organically grown samples. Comparison of specific residues on specific crops found that residue concentrations in organic samples were consistently lower than in the other two categories, across all three data sets." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12028642
@shinokiba 3. "there is no objective evidence to support the assertion that natural pesticide residues pose a hazard.""botanical insecticides tend to break down rapidly in the environment, are comparatively non-toxic, and are used by a relatively small fraction of growers""Consequently, these substances are not expected to leave residues in foods." consumersunion"dot"org/pub/core_food_safety/002312.html
@shinokiba 4. "D. magna fed GM-maize showed a significantly reduced fitness performance: The mortality was higher, a lower proportion of females reached sexual maturation, and the overall egg production was lower compared to D. magna fed UM isogenic maize.""The combination of a reduced fitness performance combined with earlier onset of reproduction of D. magna fed Bt-maize indicates a toxic effect rather than a lower nutritional value of the GM-maize." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18347840
@shinokiba 4. "We observed that after the consumption of MON863""Chemistry measurements reveal signs of hepatorenal toxicity""Triglycerides increased by 24-40% in females (either at week 14, dose 11% or at week 5, dose 33%, respectively); urine phosphorus and sodium excretions diminished in males by 31-35% (week 14, dose 33%)""with the present data it cannot be concluded that GM corn MON863 is a safe product." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17356802
@shinokiba 4. "Animal toxicity studies with certain GM foods have shown that they may toxically affect several organs and systems.""most studies with GM foods indicate that they may cause some common toxic effects such as hepatic, pancreatic, renal, or reproductive effects and may alter the hematological, biochemical, and immunologic parameters."recombinant GH or its expression in animals""has been shown that it increases IGF-1 which may promote cancer." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18989835
@shinokiba 4. "Several convergent data appear to indicate liver and kidney problems as end points of GMO diet effects in the above-mentioned experiments. This was confirmed by our meta-analysis of all the in vivo studies published, which revealed that the kidneys were particularly affected, concentrating 43.5% of all disrupted parameters in males, whereas the liver was more specifically disrupted in females (30.8% of all disrupted parameters)." enveurope"dot"com/content/23/1 /10
@shinokiba 4. "GM-fed mice of all ages considered, the number of perichromatin granules is higher and the nuclear pore density lower.""we found enlargements in the smooth endoplasmic reticulum in GM-fed mice Sertoli cells." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15718213 "our data suggest that GM soybean intake can influence hepatocyte nuclear features in young and adult mice" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12441651
@shinokiba "Several proteins belonging to hepatocyte metabolism, stress response, calcium signalling and mitochondria were differentially expressed in GM-fed mice, indicating a more marked expression of senescence markers in comparison to controls. Moreover, hepatocytes of GM-fed mice showed mitochondrial and nuclear modifications indicative of reduced metabolic rate. This study demonstrates that GM soybean intake can influence some liver features" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18648843
@shinokiba "This indicates that GM soy protein intake affected pancreas function, evidenced by the early acute PAP mRNA increased levels and pancreas cellular changes followed by recuperation of acinar cells after 30 days." onlinelibrary"dot"wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jat.1319/abstract
"The GM-fed D. magna had lower survival (lx) than the UM-fed D. magna throughout the experiment" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811247/
@shinokiba "3 GMOs new side effects linked with GM maize consumption, which were sex- and often dose-dependent. Effects were mostly associated with the kidney and liver, the dietary detoxifying organs, although different between the 3 GMOs. Other effects were also noticed in the heart, adrenal glands, spleen and haematopoietic system. We conclude that these data highlight signs of hepatorenal toxicity, possibly due to the new pesticides specific to each GM corn." biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm
@shinokiba "this study was designed to evaluate the effects of transgenic corn on the rats that were fed through three generations with either GM corn or its conventional counterpart.""there were some minimal histopathological changes in liver and kidney. Changes in creatinine, total protein and globulin levels were also determined in biochemical analysis." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18191319
@shinokiba "mice were fed a diet containing MON810 or its parental control maize or a pellet diet containing a GM-free maize""MON810 maize induced alterations in the percentage of T and B cells and of CD4(+), CD8(+), gammadeltaT, and alphabetaT subpopulations of weaning and old mice fed for 30 or 90 days, respectively, at the gut and peripheral sites. An increase of serum IL-6, IL-13, IL-12p70, and MIP-1beta after MON810 feeding was also found." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19007233
@shinokiba "adverse microscopic and molecular effects of some GM foods in different organs or tissues have been reported." onlinelibrary.wiley"dot"com/doi/10.1111/j.1753-4887.2008.00130.x/full
"The RACB trial showed time related negative reproductive effects of the GM maize under the given experimental conditions." biosicherheit.de/pdf/aktuell/zentek_studie_2008.pdf
@shinokiba 4. "Bayer AG has agreed to settle a lawsuit brought by a group of Texas rice growers over claims the company's experimental biotech rice contaminated the U.S. supply four years ago and decimated exports." "The company still faces thousands of claims," "In February, a jury ordered Bayer to pay $1.5 million in damages to three farmers for losses due to contamination by Bayer's genetically modified rice."
@shinokiba 4. Monsanto is currently doing damage control to prevent the further spread of superweeds such as hardy pigweed and tall waterhemp that are resistant to the company’s Roundup weedkiller. bizjournals"dot"com/stlouis/news/2010/10/19/monsanto-offers-millions-of-dollars-in.html
@shinokiba 5. "A University of Iowa studylast year, found a new strain of MRSA -- in nearly three-quarters of hogs (70 percent), and nearly two-thirds of the workers (64 percent) -- on several farms in Iowa and Western Illinois. All of them use antibiotics, routinely. On antibiotic-free farms no MRSA was found." cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/09/eveningnews/main6191530.shtml
@shinokiba I gave you peer reviewed studies from independent studies that were NOT funded by any organic companies, farmers, etc. The huge majority of independent studies suggest organic is generally more nutritious and animals fed organically generally lived longer, had less degenerative disease, less illness, better reproduction, etc. I also gave a study done by the French governments food safety agency(AFSSA). USDA reviewed 216 studies, the huge majority found organic is more nutritious.
myndy86 5 months ago
1. There is no real evidence to support that claim.
2. Yes they do, if they didn't, they would quickly rot.
3. Yes they do, the pesticides they use in organic farming are more dangerous than the ones they use in conventional farming.
4. Gene modification has ZERO danger, only paranoid environmentalists think there is any sort of risk.
5. Those drugs have no scientific evidence to cause any harm in the human body.
shinokiba 6 months ago
@shinokiba Orv Heti "Organic crops contain a significantly higher amount of certain antioxidants (vitamin C, polyphenols and flavonoids) and minerals, as well as have higher dry matter content than conventional ones.""there is a lower level of pesticide residues, nitrate and some heavy metal contaminations in organic crops compared to conventional ones." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17297755
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba Nutr Health "Studies under controlled experimental conditions show a clear advantage for staple food grown under biological/ecological farming conditions as compared to those from conventional farming methods."" lower undesirable (e.g. nitrates) and higher desirable (e.g. vit. C, trace elements) components are present." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3054635
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen "A review of existing literature reveals that organic foods compared to conventionally produced foods seem to have a higher content of antioxidants in plant products and a higher content of fat-soluble vitamins and omega-3 fatty acids in animal products. Animal studies (among them, on rabbits and chickens) show higher fertility and less morbidity in animals fed organically." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15195159
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba J Sci Food Agric "A short review of such experiments shows that the majority of these tests revealed effects of the organically produced feed on health parameters such as reproductive performance and immune responses."" The science-based results suggest positive influences from organic feeds" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20355028
Rev Med "Ecological food is tastier and contains more essential amino-acids, vitamin C, and micro-nutriments than usual food" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16610189
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba AFSSA "1/ organic plant products contain more dry matter and minerals (Fe, Mg); and contain more anti-oxidant micronutrients such as phenols and salicylic acid, 2/ organic animal products contain more polyunsaturated fatty acids""4/ 94–100% of organic food does not contain any pesticide residues, 5/ organic vegetables contain far less nitrates, about 50% less" agronomy-journal"dot"org/index.php?option=com_article&access=doi&doi=10.1051/agro/2009019&Itemid=129
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba International Journal of Food Sciences and Nutrition study review of organic vs conventional diet in animals. Weight gain was greater in organically fed rats,mortality was lower at 9 weeks,incidence of degenerative diseases was lower. Lower mortality in organically fed rabbits. 2nd and 3rd generation rabbits from organically fed parents exhibited higher birth rates and more viable embryos. Infectious illnesses were less frequent in 2nd generation organically fed animals.
myndy86 5 months ago
@myndy86 So your proof that organic food is good is that these organic food companies say that they are good. You know how I know that walmart products are the best, because they told me.
shinokiba 5 months ago
@shinokiba 2. "These results indicate that the organic strawberries would have a longer shelf life than the conventional strawberries""There were no fungicides applied to the organic strawberry fields for post-harvest control of gray mold (Botrytis cinerea), in contrast to multiple fungicide applications to the conventional fields." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2931688/
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 3. Organic uses less pesticides(and in most cases no pesticides) and more biological pest control like crop rotation, crop cover, predatory insects etc. than conventional. "organic produce carries significantly fewer pesticide residues than conventional produce." nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/faq/BuyOrganicFoodsC.shtml
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 3. "Organically grown foods consistently had about one-third as many residues as conventionally grown foods""Conventionally grown and IPM/NDR samples were also far more likely to contain multiple pesticide residues than were organically grown samples. Comparison of specific residues on specific crops found that residue concentrations in organic samples were consistently lower than in the other two categories, across all three data sets." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12028642
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 3. "there is no objective evidence to support the assertion that natural pesticide residues pose a hazard.""botanical insecticides tend to break down rapidly in the environment, are comparatively non-toxic, and are used by a relatively small fraction of growers""Consequently, these substances are not expected to leave residues in foods." consumersunion"dot"org/pub/core_food_safety/002312.html
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 4. "D. magna fed GM-maize showed a significantly reduced fitness performance: The mortality was higher, a lower proportion of females reached sexual maturation, and the overall egg production was lower compared to D. magna fed UM isogenic maize.""The combination of a reduced fitness performance combined with earlier onset of reproduction of D. magna fed Bt-maize indicates a toxic effect rather than a lower nutritional value of the GM-maize." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18347840
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 4. "We observed that after the consumption of MON863""Chemistry measurements reveal signs of hepatorenal toxicity""Triglycerides increased by 24-40% in females (either at week 14, dose 11% or at week 5, dose 33%, respectively); urine phosphorus and sodium excretions diminished in males by 31-35% (week 14, dose 33%)""with the present data it cannot be concluded that GM corn MON863 is a safe product." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17356802
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 4. "Animal toxicity studies with certain GM foods have shown that they may toxically affect several organs and systems.""most studies with GM foods indicate that they may cause some common toxic effects such as hepatic, pancreatic, renal, or reproductive effects and may alter the hematological, biochemical, and immunologic parameters."recombinant GH or its expression in animals""has been shown that it increases IGF-1 which may promote cancer." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18989835
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 4. "Several convergent data appear to indicate liver and kidney problems as end points of GMO diet effects in the above-mentioned experiments. This was confirmed by our meta-analysis of all the in vivo studies published, which revealed that the kidneys were particularly affected, concentrating 43.5% of all disrupted parameters in males, whereas the liver was more specifically disrupted in females (30.8% of all disrupted parameters)." enveurope"dot"com/content/23/1 /10
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 4. "GM-fed mice of all ages considered, the number of perichromatin granules is higher and the nuclear pore density lower.""we found enlargements in the smooth endoplasmic reticulum in GM-fed mice Sertoli cells." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15718213 "our data suggest that GM soybean intake can influence hepatocyte nuclear features in young and adult mice" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12441651
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba "Several proteins belonging to hepatocyte metabolism, stress response, calcium signalling and mitochondria were differentially expressed in GM-fed mice, indicating a more marked expression of senescence markers in comparison to controls. Moreover, hepatocytes of GM-fed mice showed mitochondrial and nuclear modifications indicative of reduced metabolic rate. This study demonstrates that GM soybean intake can influence some liver features" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18648843
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba "This indicates that GM soy protein intake affected pancreas function, evidenced by the early acute PAP mRNA increased levels and pancreas cellular changes followed by recuperation of acinar cells after 30 days." onlinelibrary"dot"wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jat.1319/abstract
"The GM-fed D. magna had lower survival (lx) than the UM-fed D. magna throughout the experiment" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811247/
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba "3 GMOs new side effects linked with GM maize consumption, which were sex- and often dose-dependent. Effects were mostly associated with the kidney and liver, the dietary detoxifying organs, although different between the 3 GMOs. Other effects were also noticed in the heart, adrenal glands, spleen and haematopoietic system. We conclude that these data highlight signs of hepatorenal toxicity, possibly due to the new pesticides specific to each GM corn." biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba "this study was designed to evaluate the effects of transgenic corn on the rats that were fed through three generations with either GM corn or its conventional counterpart.""there were some minimal histopathological changes in liver and kidney. Changes in creatinine, total protein and globulin levels were also determined in biochemical analysis." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18191319
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba "mice were fed a diet containing MON810 or its parental control maize or a pellet diet containing a GM-free maize""MON810 maize induced alterations in the percentage of T and B cells and of CD4(+), CD8(+), gammadeltaT, and alphabetaT subpopulations of weaning and old mice fed for 30 or 90 days, respectively, at the gut and peripheral sites. An increase of serum IL-6, IL-13, IL-12p70, and MIP-1beta after MON810 feeding was also found." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19007233
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba "adverse microscopic and molecular effects of some GM foods in different organs or tissues have been reported." onlinelibrary.wiley"dot"com/doi/10.1111/j.1753-4887.2008.00130.x/full
"The RACB trial showed time related negative reproductive effects of the GM maize under the given experimental conditions." biosicherheit.de/pdf/aktuell/zentek_studie_2008.pdf
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 4. "Bayer AG has agreed to settle a lawsuit brought by a group of Texas rice growers over claims the company's experimental biotech rice contaminated the U.S. supply four years ago and decimated exports." "The company still faces thousands of claims," "In February, a jury ordered Bayer to pay $1.5 million in damages to three farmers for losses due to contamination by Bayer's genetically modified rice."
reuters"dot"com/article/2010/10/19/rice-bayer-idUSN1912370820101019
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 4. Monsanto is currently doing damage control to prevent the further spread of superweeds such as hardy pigweed and tall waterhemp that are resistant to the company’s Roundup weedkiller. bizjournals"dot"com/stlouis/news/2010/10/19/monsanto-offers-millions-of-dollars-in.html
myndy86 5 months ago
@shinokiba 5. "A University of Iowa studylast year, found a new strain of MRSA -- in nearly three-quarters of hogs (70 percent), and nearly two-thirds of the workers (64 percent) -- on several farms in Iowa and Western Illinois. All of them use antibiotics, routinely. On antibiotic-free farms no MRSA was found." cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/09/eveningnews/main6191530.shtml
I could keep going if you want.
myndy86 5 months ago