I got a Thank You card from Peoples Temple of the younger Jim Jones before he completely lost his mind. He looks like he was a nice guy without the sunglasses on, but u know the drugs ran him crazy lol
@eugeneexaminer No what I was saying was that there was big conflictions in the reports and body count. Its a shame all those people had to die just so Jim could prove some point.
you know i think the title on this video is misleading. they are not saying this "jonestown survivor" IS "most evil". alot of people could be misled by that. most evil is the name of the show.
I think Tim Carter had some grand vision of what he thought Jonestown or Communitarian Living could be. But they had the worst possible leader they could get to run it for them.
Guys, Tim Carter, his brother, and another were trusted with taking MONEY to the Guyanese government, a last errand for Jones. He was all about the money, that's why he was spared, he didn't watch everyone die helplessly and then run away.
Tim wasn't on the money drop. He created an errand (lied) to get past security then headed for Georgetown to get help. He ran into his brother, who was on the money drop, during his own escape. His brother didn't believe Tim when he told him what was happening in the pavillion and insisted that he was going to deliver the money to Georgetown as instructed. Tim finally convinced him to ditch the heavy suitcases on the train track. So no, Tim wasn't "all about the money".
@thegirl44 I meant Jim was all about the money, which is why Tim was spared and he was on the money drop, him along with two other men I've seen this whole biography.
@thegirl44 ok thats why in this thing, he himself says that he and two other men were told to carry a suitcase full of money back to some city or port kaituma or whatever and they just dropped it off in the forest, ok.
I prefer to take information that hasn't been clouded by 30 years of natural forgetting:
Tim Carter's statement to Guyanese officials (1978):
"I stood in front of Jones for a minute then went to where my wife was holding our son and told her that I loved them and was going to get help. I told the guard that Jones had told me to go and help my brother with the errand that he had been sent on".
I've seen an interview where Tim couldn't remember what he had said tp the guard
"Memory get foggy over time but this does not excuse myth replacing reality" -Tim Carter
And all that Tim says about in this in regards to the money drop is that they made their way to town and dropped the money on the way. At no point in the hour long program does he get into the specifics of who was sent, wasn't sent or why.
if anyone thinks that tim carter didnt care about his family, or that he was not genuine is really not perceptive at all actually. this guy is living a nightmare thirty years later.
I don't know why I have a weird feeling about Tim and a hard time trusting how genuine he really is. Id been trying to find out what his errand was, but just read here that it was a lie to escape. I guess I just feel Tim knows a lot more than he says and I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually helping to medicate people cause I don't understand how is wife and son got it but he didnt when he was supposedly with them.
@Thebeautiful11 - at first, I would have bitten your head off for thinking that. But the more I've read on this topic, I have to now say I think you're a very perceptive person.
A small amount of reading would tell you that Tim's son was a baby and that the women were instructed to bring the babies up first. Many of them, including Tim's wife, took their own dose of poison at the same time. As Jones had condicted mock "Suicides" in the past to test Temple Member's loyalty no one knew that this was the real deal until people started dying, Tim's wife and son had taken the drink at this point.
Don't use your own ignorance about things to judge people.
Hey, I know you. We met on another video and I commented on your page. I recognized your beautiful face in my inbox.
How's shakes?
Yeah, people like to use their limited understanding of Jonestown to be judgemental. Atheists are particularly bad for this because they don't understand that People's Temple was a communist political movement and not a religious one.
I think what was stupid about it all was to move somewhere where your not allowed to leave. I don't have sympathy for people who suck up to others and cant stand by there own thoughts. I'm not being cold I just don't pity the man who insists that he jumps off a cliff if someone tells him to again and again and again because "its not worth it" kiss my ass!!
No one was told that they wouldn't be allowed to leave Jonestown, in fact many members left for many different reasons at many different times. Two of Jones' sons survived because they left the agricultural project to go play basketball in Georgetown the day of the massacre.
It's more accurate to say that Jones made his followers afraid to leave, by lying about what was going on in the USA, for example, than to say that he wouldn't allow his followers to leave.
@thegirl44 It seems ironic that Jones sons were allowed to go to play a basketball game on the very day that 900 plus people were to die. It had to be thought of in advance or how else would they just happen to kill enough people to populate a town in mid america?
I think that it was a pretty quick decision based on how poorly Gov. Leo Ryan's visit went so the boys going to the game wasn't an issue.
As far as preparing for it goes: Jonestown was an agricultural project with a staffed medical clinic. Potassium cyanide is a widely used pesticide so not so strange that there was a shit load of it on site and the medical clinic explains the barbiturates and sedatives that were also found in in the Flav-R-Aid.
@CHRISTMASBASTARD well you have to understand where they are coming from..being put into such a corner left man of them no choice but to follow what he said...i believe the psychological term for this is learned helplessness ..or when you realize that all options are out of the window and that you have no choice but to do what your told (be it by your captures, mother, leader, etc) also look at the german phrase (excuse my spelling) zeitgiest ..or spirit of time..space limits me to proceed :(
@ekocentric jones was not buried. they say he was "cremated", though i think Jim may have actually survived cause the original death photo and then the photos of him outside the pavilion are very different. In one he just looked dead, and then in others his stomach is bloated up, then in the same shot of the same area, the body is gone. wtf? I personally think Jim may have lived and that was a body double. thats just me though. either that or Jim Jones planned on living
@Landesko That is a scenario that I have never thought of...why wouldn't a coward like himself run away after ordering the murder of so many innocent people?
That would be one of the worst crimes to have happen in that century though.
@ekocentric I think as soon as the deaths really got in motion, he realized he was in some deep crap and knew he had a small amount of time before people really ended up at Jonestown. Thats why on the death tape, you hear him saying they had 40 minutes. I believe the whole thing happened in a couple hours cause the airstrip attack was in mid afternoon and remember tim carter sayin he heard Jones saying "mother mother..." as he left Jonestown. They must have been acting ultra fast.
@Landesko All the accounts that I have read, movies, books, documentaries, magazines, state that Tim Carter was part of Jim Jones inner circle. He was part of the leaders of Jones Town. Why is he not serving life in prison?
@RichardWagner1 Tim Carter even though he was past of the leadership, he did not play any part in the main event. The main people over the mass suicides were mainly Jones, Carolyn Moore, Dr. Schact, and im sure several people we dont know about. Im sure it was who ever was closed to Jones personally and knew of his drug issue. Tim didnt know Jim was on drugs, til after the fact. Only person to ever go to jail was Larry Layton
@ekocentric also, if you listen to the eye witness accounts to Tim Carter and Stanley Clayton, Stanley states that by the time he decided to run, there was maybe a hundred of people left. When Tim Carter left, was about when Jones ordered the adults to begin and they was still doing the kids. So my thing is this: How much time took place between Tim and when stanley heard gun shots from the woods? that could give u a clear idea of how long the whole process actually took from start to finish.
@CHRISTMASBASTARD I agree. He started showing signs of madness when he ordered that his followers be given whippings (like children) if they didn't follow his orders. And asking that they give all of their money and worldly possessions to his church.
on the suicide tape, jones knows the congressman was murdered but jones says "Are you going to separate yourself from whoever shot the congressman? I don't know who shot him...I didn't, but my people did. My people did. They're my people, and they've been provoked too much. They've been provoked too much. What's happened here's been since Tuesday's been an act of provocation...I don't know who fired the shot. I don't know who killed the congressman. But as far as I am concerned, I killed him..."
@WhiteRabbitm8te He couldnt save any of them. You cant deal with brainwashed people. You dont know whom of them who would be able to understand that it is the only way to save their lives. No matter whom of them he would try to rescue, would maybe suddenly scream: He is a traitor!!! Jim he is a traitor!!!
@thoostorm4 Yes good black humour if he still was alive. It is worth to give the serious part of it a thought namely how could it be that around 900 people died that day, why wasnt it possible for more people to escape? They were caught between the thoughts from the brainwashing and the fear, what could happen if they tried to escape? They all were too brainwashed and exhausted to deal with normal thoughts. Im glad at least few were lucky to get away.
tried. not that easy. wouldn't give me much info, except a bunch of interviews and crap. i need to find out like, where he lives, or his phone number,.
Try contacting the webmasters at the "Alternate Consideration for Jonestown" site. I know that a television company that I worked for secured an interview with Stephan Jones via that route.
checkmate, the program is discussing how evil Jim Jones is. By way of demonstrating and delving into the topic, they're interviewing one of the People Temple's members. Most of the people at Jonestown were very good people. Remember - they went to a jungle to build a paradise where children are loved, seniors cherished, where everyone is treated equally with dignity. They didn't go there to die.
oh and another thing ive been reading some of the comments well if this man had a gun and was a henchman so to speak who helped to kill those people then he is just as guilty as jones was ,from all accounts they were all suposed to die he should have tried to save even one person besides his own ass he had a gun he could have shot some of the other gunman with guns going off people would have panicked and would run and maybe more people would have lived especially the children
Yeah it just seems so wrong that many people had to die for no reason. Because others involved made wrong or hesitant decisions. I mean, there was babies that died! What did little babies do to deserve such a horrible death? I hope to God that he really wasn't a henchman, and is NOW feeling guilt for what he did. This man, I saw on many other documentaries, he had a wife and son himself and said he watched them drink the cyanide and die also? I just can't understand that? Sad.... :(
i to saw him on other shows also you dont know how i would love to be proven wrong about that man but there is just something that screams LIAR .i have gone back and watched as many vids of jonestown the personal accounts of many people state they had no rights couldnt do squat they were watched they betrayed each other this man had to much freedom,then reports say whole familys were forced to drink cyanide and this man escaped that how?
I totally agree with you. I just can't understand that. He will certainly be taking that secret to his grave of what really happened. This story is just one of the worst tragedies of all time. I saw him on another documentary as well and just the way he was describing the events, it just doesn't add up......I hope I am wrong too in what I am thinking....
he was called by one of Jones' lawyers and asked to deliver money. When the delivery was done, he was to kill himself. Carter ran to where his wife was to get her and the baby, but it was too late.
Tim's brother, who also survived, was part of the money drop, Jen. Tim created an errand to get past the guards and joined his brother who was in the process of collecting the money suitcases and said that they had to get out of there. Tim's brother, intent on completing his errand, not believing what was happening in the pavilion,insisted that they complete the task but they ended up dumping the suitcases in their escape.
Tim Carter was inner circle. He approached Jim Jones' podium, stood there for a moment as though he were speaking with Jones, went over to his wife and, now dead, son told then that he loved them then approached a guard and told him that Jones had instructed him to retrieve something. When the guard let him past he calmly walked for 20 or 30 yards and then ran like a motherfucker.
Tim has written extensive articles on his escape, guardian. Perhaps reading,as opposed to watching, is the answer?
he and two other were given money and guns and escaped by the fact they were chosen or agreed to escape with the money..and guns were to kill themselves if caught. his wife was just too deep in the chaos and he had no chance to save them.....
Your thinking of Tim's brother, also a Carter, who was instructed to take the suitcases with the money. Tim, by chance, ran into his brother while he was on that errand.
Type Tim Carter's name in the search window of that site and his articles will come up. There are also articles by Vern Gosney and many other survivors on that website.
@immaguardian Remember that Tim was hired to do errans for Jim Jones. When Tim finally realized Jim killed his wife and son he seen the writings on the wall and created an escape. I assumed most guards knew he is Jim's aid , so they let him pass thinking he was going to come back and drink the poison.
i know it seems very wrong to blame a survivor of a crime but something is rotten here i dont think this man is telling the complete truth for one thing at 229 on the vid he says EVEN THOUGH I WATCHED THEM DIE it was the way he said it that bothered me i know that people want to believe in a safe society to raise their kids and have no fears of their safety regaurdless of race creed or faith / the idea to create such a place was good one but turned so wrong by a nut with a god complex
This Tim Carter is a bullshitter. I think he was brainwashed and started to snap out of it, when he realized how many people & kids he helped kill. He was a Jim Jones Henchman.
I hope to God he didn't help in killing those people. I agree there was major brainwashing involved....plus you hear so many conspiracies, you don't know what to believe from these survivors sometimes....
@StopDomViolence I hope not too. If Tim really was involved in killing those people, trust that he's going to never air this. It will be on his guilty conscious until he die.
i had saw a program where they said that jones said he would be what ever they needed brother friend father and even their god i couldnt believe he would have the audacity to do that if i had been a member of that church and he had said that all youd see of me is the back of my ass leaving when a person says he is god its time to get the hell out of dodge the bible for any religeon is important and to disrespect it proves he has no respect or care of anyone but himself
I find it hard to believe that one person forced almost 1000 people to kill themselves and fall face down on the ground. There was almost certainly military intervention of sorts and everything from the drugs used, to the funding recieved, the inner circle of the cult and Jim Jones' visits to CIA offices all have ties in western government. You would have to be an idiot to dismiss all the conspiracy without at least looking at it with a degree of intelligence.
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Tim Carter should feel guilty, he could have knocked over the cool-aid jug and saved many idiots, but he didn't and deserves the guilt he lives with. Glad I am not a coward, it must suck.
Step right up for slaughter you nauseating sheepy christians. Heaven awaits you and your children whom you murdered.
do you think it would have mattered they still had guns the slaughter would have continued dont fucking go judging people when you werent even there and i doubt most of us would have the balls to walk up to where the cyanide was and dump it
none of you conspiracy THEORISTS know a goddamn thing about the Peoples Temple or Jonestown , please just stay in your parents basements and continue making no contribution whatssoever to society , reading the shite people have posted here , has given me a laughing fit .
as much as i dont like to believe in conspiracies, theirs alot of things that don't make sense, and the CIA keeps denying it but they have proof of agents being in the group at jonestown. Many have stated earlier on before jim jones went to california that he worked with gov't officals. Also unanswerable funding occurred when he was in california for his programs that know one knows were the finacial backing came from. This conspiracy about jim jones could be correct, mind control experiments.
@tgoodfella I got a Temple Thank You card from someone who gave a shit load of money to the church in CA. When they died, there was a estate sale and I ended up with it lol
if jim jones was shot not poisoned, who shot the gun, did they ever find the gun that killed him or fingerprints of person who shot. They know it couldn't have been self inflicted, due to shot on jones.
I don't know what happened with that. I listened to the live tapes and no shots were ever recorded that I know of. I believe there is a tape hidden somewhere with the complete incident recorded.
Rev Jones was cremated by accident, from what I read.
yes they found the gun that kill jim jones. it was found laying 20 feet away. The way jones looked in the photos of him taken after he was killed goes to show that he was caught off guard when he was shot, so someone had him killed. Its certain as of who all survived that Jones and some of his aids had intended on living
i heard that on fbi tapes the ones were the public are allowed to hear, which there are more tapes that the public will never hear, stated that jones intended to leave the site and live on. He states something like "I will live on when all of you have peace in death" Jim believed he would go to Russia or somewhaere else, at least thats what he was saying to his followers. I due believe some kind of gov't involement was there due to one of his aids was a CIA agent and he got away.
i can honestly say that in the end, i believe Jim Jones may not have died back there, and not all 900 of the people died. I believe what happened was that 400 died, and then the rest either got new identities, or they were CIA plants as well, because the original count was 400, then 900+ dead. If there was 900 people dead, you would be able to see it. Plus the bodies laid out shows that alot of them was shit, and not cyanide kill them. Jones knew of CIA being present. He wasnt stupid.
I totally agree, something does not seem right in many aspects of jonestown. Kind of like the Kennedy assination. I heard about the body count jumped up dramaticly after one day of the guayan gov't trying to figure things out. As for the CIA jim jones was know to work with the gov't especially agents on mind conrol experiments, which man people believe because look at the time, the cold war with Russia. And both nations were spying and espionage each other.
yeah both countries were spying on each other indeed. You at the facts on this one... first they were gonna go to "cuba" which the CIA wanted spies there for Castro, then sudden its "we cant go there, so we are going to russia" and the russians did not even want anything to do with them. The body count is another factor. A embarrassingly dramatic rise in count. You can see from the pictures that 900 bodies were not there. If Jim Jones was shit, i believe Richard Dwyer went back and did it.
@tgoodfella Honestly, i think someone snuck up and shot him. Maybe Richard Dwyer. Jones was heard telling them to take him to the East House. Yes he may have been injured on the air strip, but he could have been taken back to Jonestown on the tractor. Who sent out the info on what happened in Jonestown? Dwyer was known CIA, well unknown at the time. There was rumors that CIA was also present in Jonestown. Maybe one of his inner circle was really CIA and they killed Jim to shut him up.
They keep telling us that the congressman showed up and that made Jim mad and then some wanted to leave so he blew and poisoned 913 people? NO plans or forethought?, where did he get the poison?
i'm starting this is in sociology a-level and i've recently watched a documentry on it and it's easy to say why didn't they just run away, but most of these people had to watch their children have poison forced into their mouths along with watching most of their family die. So in the end they probably felt as though they had nothing else to live for
Does anybody know what was in the drink that killed all these ppl? It must have been some extremely strong poison since nobody who drank it survived. If anyone knows what they used, plz tell me, I´m very curious about that!
Thanks. Then I understand why noone survived. But they should have just ran...I mean, 900 ppl...the few guards with weapon wouldn´t had a chance to kill them all if they just fled...
The most of them were completely brainwashed, and the few who had Dissented at the last minute were far out numbered by loyalists. the only point at which I'm sure they would have all noticed that they were wrong was probably after all the kids had died and some of the adults had already drank or been injected with the cyanide
I think it was Cyanide. Hitler and his bitches tried the same thing after realising that they were going downnnn... But Hitler failed...(not surprised) died by the bullet.
He didn't exactly fail in poisoning himself. He bit down on the capsule and shot himself in the forehead immediateley afterward. He didn't want to take any chances.
Hitler wanted to die by the bullet not poision, because he felt it was more honorable to die that way. Hitler also refused to be captured by the communists, so death was the only way for honor.
tim carter=jim jones.....jim jones=tim carter.....death to tim carter
pitkinator 3 weeks ago
Tim Carter was part of the inner circle. He should be in prison right now.
RichardWagner1 4 months ago
The Jonestown Followers seem pretty intelligent as a group but lost
FRSFreeStateES 6 months ago
Carter is a scum-bag who need to be hunted down and shot...
commins100 7 months ago
@commins100 Agreed, coommins. Or should have been put on trial. I thought he had been arrested, and charged. Why is he out of prison?
RichardWagner1 4 months ago
Poor Tim... bless him for the courage to make the interview, must be torturous to even think of it..
tearsofecho 8 months ago 3
@tearsofecho Unfortuently you haven't read too much about this story. Tim Carter was part of the inner circle, a co-conspirator with Jim Jones.
RichardWagner1 4 months ago
@RichardWagner1 I was aware of that, thanks for the note though :)
tearsofecho 3 months ago
I got a Thank You card from Peoples Temple of the younger Jim Jones before he completely lost his mind. He looks like he was a nice guy without the sunglasses on, but u know the drugs ran him crazy lol
Landesko 9 months ago
@eugeneexaminer No what I was saying was that there was big conflictions in the reports and body count. Its a shame all those people had to die just so Jim could prove some point.
Landesko 9 months ago
you know i think the title on this video is misleading. they are not saying this "jonestown survivor" IS "most evil". alot of people could be misled by that. most evil is the name of the show.
putdownan8dude 9 months ago
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putdownan8dude 9 months ago
die comercials die
archie977 10 months ago
Viewer dscretion advised!!!! Why must I be discrete about watching this clip - I don't get it.
weirdcitykid 10 months ago
marketing is most evil brain washing in america today.
archie977 10 months ago
I think Tim Carter had some grand vision of what he thought Jonestown or Communitarian Living could be. But they had the worst possible leader they could get to run it for them.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
I hate people who see Tim as a bad guy. Watch LAD Of Peoples Temple and read his entries on the Jonestown website.
livepower34325 1 year ago
Guys, Tim Carter, his brother, and another were trusted with taking MONEY to the Guyanese government, a last errand for Jones. He was all about the money, that's why he was spared, he didn't watch everyone die helplessly and then run away.
ilovesheckler23 1 year ago
@ilovesheckler23
Tim wasn't on the money drop. He created an errand (lied) to get past security then headed for Georgetown to get help. He ran into his brother, who was on the money drop, during his own escape. His brother didn't believe Tim when he told him what was happening in the pavillion and insisted that he was going to deliver the money to Georgetown as instructed. Tim finally convinced him to ditch the heavy suitcases on the train track. So no, Tim wasn't "all about the money".
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 I meant Jim was all about the money, which is why Tim was spared and he was on the money drop, him along with two other men I've seen this whole biography.
ilovesheckler23 1 year ago
@ilovesheckler23
And I've read all of Tim Carter's writings. He wasn't ON the money drop, this program got that wrong, among other things..
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 ok thats why in this thing, he himself says that he and two other men were told to carry a suitcase full of money back to some city or port kaituma or whatever and they just dropped it off in the forest, ok.
ilovesheckler23 1 year ago
@ilovesheckler23
I prefer to take information that hasn't been clouded by 30 years of natural forgetting:
Tim Carter's statement to Guyanese officials (1978):
"I stood in front of Jones for a minute then went to where my wife was holding our son and told her that I loved them and was going to get help. I told the guard that Jones had told me to go and help my brother with the errand that he had been sent on".
I've seen an interview where Tim couldn't remember what he had said tp the guard
thegirl44 1 year ago
@ilovesheckler23
Con't
"Memory get foggy over time but this does not excuse myth replacing reality" -Tim Carter
And all that Tim says about in this in regards to the money drop is that they made their way to town and dropped the money on the way. At no point in the hour long program does he get into the specifics of who was sent, wasn't sent or why.
thegirl44 1 year ago
if anyone thinks that tim carter didnt care about his family, or that he was not genuine is really not perceptive at all actually. this guy is living a nightmare thirty years later.
putdownan8dude 1 year ago
I don't know why I have a weird feeling about Tim and a hard time trusting how genuine he really is. Id been trying to find out what his errand was, but just read here that it was a lie to escape. I guess I just feel Tim knows a lot more than he says and I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually helping to medicate people cause I don't understand how is wife and son got it but he didnt when he was supposedly with them.
Thebeautiful11 1 year ago
@Thebeautiful11 - at first, I would have bitten your head off for thinking that. But the more I've read on this topic, I have to now say I think you're a very perceptive person.
MrRedFredSaid 1 year ago
@Thebeautiful11
A small amount of reading would tell you that Tim's son was a baby and that the women were instructed to bring the babies up first. Many of them, including Tim's wife, took their own dose of poison at the same time. As Jones had condicted mock "Suicides" in the past to test Temple Member's loyalty no one knew that this was the real deal until people started dying, Tim's wife and son had taken the drink at this point.
Don't use your own ignorance about things to judge people.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 you are right. their is another documentary with other survivors who talk about what you speak of.
mjjcng8958 11 months ago
@mjjcng8958
Hey, I know you. We met on another video and I commented on your page. I recognized your beautiful face in my inbox.
How's shakes?
Yeah, people like to use their limited understanding of Jonestown to be judgemental. Atheists are particularly bad for this because they don't understand that People's Temple was a communist political movement and not a religious one.
thegirl44 11 months ago
@mjjcng8958
We met on a Sam Cooke video, I just found it.
In case you were wondering :).
thegirl44 11 months ago
I think what was stupid about it all was to move somewhere where your not allowed to leave. I don't have sympathy for people who suck up to others and cant stand by there own thoughts. I'm not being cold I just don't pity the man who insists that he jumps off a cliff if someone tells him to again and again and again because "its not worth it" kiss my ass!!
CHRISTMASBASTARD 1 year ago
@CHRISTMASBASTARD
No one was told that they wouldn't be allowed to leave Jonestown, in fact many members left for many different reasons at many different times. Two of Jones' sons survived because they left the agricultural project to go play basketball in Georgetown the day of the massacre.
It's more accurate to say that Jones made his followers afraid to leave, by lying about what was going on in the USA, for example, than to say that he wouldn't allow his followers to leave.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 It seems ironic that Jones sons were allowed to go to play a basketball game on the very day that 900 plus people were to die. It had to be thought of in advance or how else would they just happen to kill enough people to populate a town in mid america?
ekocentric 1 year ago
@ekocentric
I think that it was a pretty quick decision based on how poorly Gov. Leo Ryan's visit went so the boys going to the game wasn't an issue.
As far as preparing for it goes: Jonestown was an agricultural project with a staffed medical clinic. Potassium cyanide is a widely used pesticide so not so strange that there was a shit load of it on site and the medical clinic explains the barbiturates and sedatives that were also found in in the Flav-R-Aid.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@CHRISTMASBASTARD well you have to understand where they are coming from..being put into such a corner left man of them no choice but to follow what he said...i believe the psychological term for this is learned helplessness ..or when you realize that all options are out of the window and that you have no choice but to do what your told (be it by your captures, mother, leader, etc) also look at the german phrase (excuse my spelling) zeitgiest ..or spirit of time..space limits me to proceed :(
meechie2010 1 year ago
@meechie2010 I don't know which sounds the worse. "learned helplessness" or "stockholm syndrome" which is the official term.
It makes me want to go dig Jones up and kick his ass.
ekocentric 1 year ago
@ekocentric jones was not buried. they say he was "cremated", though i think Jim may have actually survived cause the original death photo and then the photos of him outside the pavilion are very different. In one he just looked dead, and then in others his stomach is bloated up, then in the same shot of the same area, the body is gone. wtf? I personally think Jim may have lived and that was a body double. thats just me though. either that or Jim Jones planned on living
Landesko 9 months ago
@Landesko That is a scenario that I have never thought of...why wouldn't a coward like himself run away after ordering the murder of so many innocent people?
That would be one of the worst crimes to have happen in that century though.
ekocentric 9 months ago
@ekocentric I think as soon as the deaths really got in motion, he realized he was in some deep crap and knew he had a small amount of time before people really ended up at Jonestown. Thats why on the death tape, you hear him saying they had 40 minutes. I believe the whole thing happened in a couple hours cause the airstrip attack was in mid afternoon and remember tim carter sayin he heard Jones saying "mother mother..." as he left Jonestown. They must have been acting ultra fast.
Landesko 8 months ago
@Landesko All the accounts that I have read, movies, books, documentaries, magazines, state that Tim Carter was part of Jim Jones inner circle. He was part of the leaders of Jones Town. Why is he not serving life in prison?
RichardWagner1 4 months ago
@RichardWagner1 Tim Carter even though he was past of the leadership, he did not play any part in the main event. The main people over the mass suicides were mainly Jones, Carolyn Moore, Dr. Schact, and im sure several people we dont know about. Im sure it was who ever was closed to Jones personally and knew of his drug issue. Tim didnt know Jim was on drugs, til after the fact. Only person to ever go to jail was Larry Layton
Landesko 4 months ago
@ekocentric also, if you listen to the eye witness accounts to Tim Carter and Stanley Clayton, Stanley states that by the time he decided to run, there was maybe a hundred of people left. When Tim Carter left, was about when Jones ordered the adults to begin and they was still doing the kids. So my thing is this: How much time took place between Tim and when stanley heard gun shots from the woods? that could give u a clear idea of how long the whole process actually took from start to finish.
Landesko 8 months ago
@CHRISTMASBASTARD I agree. He started showing signs of madness when he ordered that his followers be given whippings (like children) if they didn't follow his orders. And asking that they give all of their money and worldly possessions to his church.
ekocentric 9 months ago
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FightingAngelz 1 year ago
on the suicide tape, jones knows the congressman was murdered but jones says "Are you going to separate yourself from whoever shot the congressman? I don't know who shot him...I didn't, but my people did. My people did. They're my people, and they've been provoked too much. They've been provoked too much. What's happened here's been since Tuesday's been an act of provocation...I don't know who fired the shot. I don't know who killed the congressman. But as far as I am concerned, I killed him..."
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen "do you see what I am saying?" lol
CHRISTMASBASTARD 1 year ago
i think he was so scared that he could only think of saving himself at the time,
not sure if thats evil. maybe desprate.
WhiteRabbitm8te 1 year ago
@WhiteRabbitm8te He couldnt save any of them. You cant deal with brainwashed people. You dont know whom of them who would be able to understand that it is the only way to save their lives. No matter whom of them he would try to rescue, would maybe suddenly scream: He is a traitor!!! Jim he is a traitor!!!
globe255 1 year ago 2
@globe255 IMAGINE JONES NEIGHBOR KNOCKING ON HIS DOOR AND SAYING UH MAY I LIKE BORROW A CUP OF KOOLADE,,,,,?????
thoostorm4 1 year ago
@thoostorm4 Yes good black humour if he still was alive. It is worth to give the serious part of it a thought namely how could it be that around 900 people died that day, why wasnt it possible for more people to escape? They were caught between the thoughts from the brainwashing and the fear, what could happen if they tried to escape? They all were too brainwashed and exhausted to deal with normal thoughts. Im glad at least few were lucky to get away.
globe255 1 year ago 6
the show is called most evil
chuy655 1 year ago
why is he soo evil?
maizyanderson 2 years ago
i need to find him. i HAVE to find him. i am writing a book on Jonestown and he is key for it. i seriously NEED to talk to tim carter. help, anyone?
veward123 2 years ago
veward, bloody hell if you want to find him it's not all that difficult. Google it.
TreblePop 2 years ago
tried. not that easy. wouldn't give me much info, except a bunch of interviews and crap. i need to find out like, where he lives, or his phone number,.
veward123 2 years ago
Try contacting the webmasters at the "Alternate Consideration for Jonestown" site. I know that a television company that I worked for secured an interview with Stephan Jones via that route.
thegirl44 2 years ago
I thought a hardcore Jonestown Follower would be one of the Most Evil. this title is misleading to me, I was looking for something else i guess
checkmate7777777 2 years ago
checkmate, the program is discussing how evil Jim Jones is. By way of demonstrating and delving into the topic, they're interviewing one of the People Temple's members. Most of the people at Jonestown were very good people. Remember - they went to a jungle to build a paradise where children are loved, seniors cherished, where everyone is treated equally with dignity. They didn't go there to die.
TreblePop 2 years ago
oh and another thing ive been reading some of the comments well if this man had a gun and was a henchman so to speak who helped to kill those people then he is just as guilty as jones was ,from all accounts they were all suposed to die he should have tried to save even one person besides his own ass he had a gun he could have shot some of the other gunman with guns going off people would have panicked and would run and maybe more people would have lived especially the children
immaguardian 2 years ago 2
Yeah it just seems so wrong that many people had to die for no reason. Because others involved made wrong or hesitant decisions. I mean, there was babies that died! What did little babies do to deserve such a horrible death? I hope to God that he really wasn't a henchman, and is NOW feeling guilt for what he did. This man, I saw on many other documentaries, he had a wife and son himself and said he watched them drink the cyanide and die also? I just can't understand that? Sad.... :(
StopDomViolence 2 years ago
i to saw him on other shows also you dont know how i would love to be proven wrong about that man but there is just something that screams LIAR .i have gone back and watched as many vids of jonestown the personal accounts of many people state they had no rights couldnt do squat they were watched they betrayed each other this man had to much freedom,then reports say whole familys were forced to drink cyanide and this man escaped that how?
immaguardian 2 years ago
@immaguardian
I totally agree with you. I just can't understand that. He will certainly be taking that secret to his grave of what really happened. This story is just one of the worst tragedies of all time. I saw him on another documentary as well and just the way he was describing the events, it just doesn't add up......I hope I am wrong too in what I am thinking....
StopDomViolence 2 years ago
he was called by one of Jones' lawyers and asked to deliver money. When the delivery was done, he was to kill himself. Carter ran to where his wife was to get her and the baby, but it was too late.
Jenniferkate 2 years ago
Tim's brother, who also survived, was part of the money drop, Jen. Tim created an errand to get past the guards and joined his brother who was in the process of collecting the money suitcases and said that they had to get out of there. Tim's brother, intent on completing his errand, not believing what was happening in the pavilion,insisted that they complete the task but they ended up dumping the suitcases in their escape.
thegirl44 2 years ago
Tim Carter was inner circle. He approached Jim Jones' podium, stood there for a moment as though he were speaking with Jones, went over to his wife and, now dead, son told then that he loved them then approached a guard and told him that Jones had instructed him to retrieve something. When the guard let him past he calmly walked for 20 or 30 yards and then ran like a motherfucker.
Tim has written extensive articles on his escape, guardian. Perhaps reading,as opposed to watching, is the answer?
thegirl44 2 years ago 23
he and two other were given money and guns and escaped by the fact they were chosen or agreed to escape with the money..and guns were to kill themselves if caught. his wife was just too deep in the chaos and he had no chance to save them.....
arlichar11 1 year ago
Your thinking of Tim's brother, also a Carter, who was instructed to take the suitcases with the money. Tim, by chance, ran into his brother while he was on that errand.
thegirl44 1 year ago
oh ok.. thats interesting! thanks
arlichar11 1 year ago
Anytime. Tim's brother doesn't give interviews so I think that our brain automatically associates Tim whenever the name "Carter" is mentioned.
I was surprised when I found out that not only did Tim have a brother but that both of them survived, as well.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44
where is this article?
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen
Alternative Considerations for Jonestown
Type Tim Carter's name in the search window of that site and his articles will come up. There are also articles by Vern Gosney and many other survivors on that website.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 lol ran like a motherfucker...understatement from hell there...
ltuomela 1 year ago
@ltuomela
I don't know if I would have had the strength to do what Tim did, especially having to do it knowing that my spouse and child were already dead.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 "AMERICA'S DARK SECRETS" FILM TRAILER POSTED. IT FEATURES TIM CARTER IN AN INVERVIEW WITH MSNBC.
kbrummell 5 months ago
@thegirl44 AMERICA'S DARK SECRETS FILM TRAILER POSTED. IT FEATURES TIM CARTER IN AN INVERVIEW WITH MSNBC.
kbrummell 5 months ago
@immaguardian Remember that Tim was hired to do errans for Jim Jones. When Tim finally realized Jim killed his wife and son he seen the writings on the wall and created an escape. I assumed most guards knew he is Jim's aid , so they let him pass thinking he was going to come back and drink the poison.
Greatersend 1 year ago
i know it seems very wrong to blame a survivor of a crime but something is rotten here i dont think this man is telling the complete truth for one thing at 229 on the vid he says EVEN THOUGH I WATCHED THEM DIE it was the way he said it that bothered me i know that people want to believe in a safe society to raise their kids and have no fears of their safety regaurdless of race creed or faith / the idea to create such a place was good one but turned so wrong by a nut with a god complex
immaguardian 2 years ago 5
This Tim Carter is a bullshitter. I think he was brainwashed and started to snap out of it, when he realized how many people & kids he helped kill. He was a Jim Jones Henchman.
mccarrpo 2 years ago
I hope to God he didn't help in killing those people. I agree there was major brainwashing involved....plus you hear so many conspiracies, you don't know what to believe from these survivors sometimes....
StopDomViolence 2 years ago
@StopDomViolence I hope not too. If Tim really was involved in killing those people, trust that he's going to never air this. It will be on his guilty conscious until he die.
Greatersend 1 year ago
The two fucking lawyers got out; typical rats leaving the ship.
RobGoth100 2 years ago
People's Temple was definitely not Christian. They used Bibles as toilet papers, and the only "god" they had was Jim Jones, who they called "Father"
larsedvartl 2 years ago
i had saw a program where they said that jones said he would be what ever they needed brother friend father and even their god i couldnt believe he would have the audacity to do that if i had been a member of that church and he had said that all youd see of me is the back of my ass leaving when a person says he is god its time to get the hell out of dodge the bible for any religeon is important and to disrespect it proves he has no respect or care of anyone but himself
immaguardian 2 years ago
I find it hard to believe that one person forced almost 1000 people to kill themselves and fall face down on the ground. There was almost certainly military intervention of sorts and everything from the drugs used, to the funding recieved, the inner circle of the cult and Jim Jones' visits to CIA offices all have ties in western government. You would have to be an idiot to dismiss all the conspiracy without at least looking at it with a degree of intelligence.
BlackieMaddie 2 years ago
So True! This had CIAda written all over it!
sylvianfripp 2 years ago
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Tim Carter should feel guilty, he could have knocked over the cool-aid jug and saved many idiots, but he didn't and deserves the guilt he lives with. Glad I am not a coward, it must suck.
Step right up for slaughter you nauseating sheepy christians. Heaven awaits you and your children whom you murdered.
sizzlepuss7 2 years ago
that was NOT Christianity at Jones town. Not what it represents... Its even a sin to commit suicide.. at least it is for Catholics.
mrbill1000 2 years ago
for all views of christianity, even moraly speaking, death is forbidden by law in every country (imposed death)
blademe 2 years ago
laws have nothing to do with religion.
dsimon129 2 years ago
in part you are correct the thing being that the laws of state and church are supposed to be seperate but in reality they are not
immaguardian 2 years ago
And you believe you would be more brave than him?
larsedvartl 2 years ago
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dsimon129 2 years ago
do you think it would have mattered they still had guns the slaughter would have continued dont fucking go judging people when you werent even there and i doubt most of us would have the balls to walk up to where the cyanide was and dump it
Erick12347 2 years ago 2
Socialism at its finest!
hawkermustang 2 years ago
none of you conspiracy THEORISTS know a goddamn thing about the Peoples Temple or Jonestown , please just stay in your parents basements and continue making no contribution whatssoever to society , reading the shite people have posted here , has given me a laughing fit .
proddie101 2 years ago
as much as i dont like to believe in conspiracies, theirs alot of things that don't make sense, and the CIA keeps denying it but they have proof of agents being in the group at jonestown. Many have stated earlier on before jim jones went to california that he worked with gov't officals. Also unanswerable funding occurred when he was in california for his programs that know one knows were the finacial backing came from. This conspiracy about jim jones could be correct, mind control experiments.
tgoodfella 2 years ago
@tgoodfella I got a Temple Thank You card from someone who gave a shit load of money to the church in CA. When they died, there was a estate sale and I ended up with it lol
Landesko 9 months ago
if jim jones was shot not poisoned, who shot the gun, did they ever find the gun that killed him or fingerprints of person who shot. They know it couldn't have been self inflicted, due to shot on jones.
tgoodfella 2 years ago
he shot him self i think
KRDKRD09 2 years ago
I don't know what happened with that. I listened to the live tapes and no shots were ever recorded that I know of. I believe there is a tape hidden somewhere with the complete incident recorded.
Rev Jones was cremated by accident, from what I read.
ryohnthegymfan 2 years ago
yes they found the gun that kill jim jones. it was found laying 20 feet away. The way jones looked in the photos of him taken after he was killed goes to show that he was caught off guard when he was shot, so someone had him killed. Its certain as of who all survived that Jones and some of his aids had intended on living
Landesko 2 years ago
i heard that on fbi tapes the ones were the public are allowed to hear, which there are more tapes that the public will never hear, stated that jones intended to leave the site and live on. He states something like "I will live on when all of you have peace in death" Jim believed he would go to Russia or somewhaere else, at least thats what he was saying to his followers. I due believe some kind of gov't involement was there due to one of his aids was a CIA agent and he got away.
tgoodfella 2 years ago
i can honestly say that in the end, i believe Jim Jones may not have died back there, and not all 900 of the people died. I believe what happened was that 400 died, and then the rest either got new identities, or they were CIA plants as well, because the original count was 400, then 900+ dead. If there was 900 people dead, you would be able to see it. Plus the bodies laid out shows that alot of them was shit, and not cyanide kill them. Jones knew of CIA being present. He wasnt stupid.
Landesko 2 years ago
I totally agree, something does not seem right in many aspects of jonestown. Kind of like the Kennedy assination. I heard about the body count jumped up dramaticly after one day of the guayan gov't trying to figure things out. As for the CIA jim jones was know to work with the gov't especially agents on mind conrol experiments, which man people believe because look at the time, the cold war with Russia. And both nations were spying and espionage each other.
tgoodfella 2 years ago
yeah both countries were spying on each other indeed. You at the facts on this one... first they were gonna go to "cuba" which the CIA wanted spies there for Castro, then sudden its "we cant go there, so we are going to russia" and the russians did not even want anything to do with them. The body count is another factor. A embarrassingly dramatic rise in count. You can see from the pictures that 900 bodies were not there. If Jim Jones was shit, i believe Richard Dwyer went back and did it.
Landesko 2 years ago
@tgoodfella Honestly, i think someone snuck up and shot him. Maybe Richard Dwyer. Jones was heard telling them to take him to the East House. Yes he may have been injured on the air strip, but he could have been taken back to Jonestown on the tractor. Who sent out the info on what happened in Jonestown? Dwyer was known CIA, well unknown at the time. There was rumors that CIA was also present in Jonestown. Maybe one of his inner circle was really CIA and they killed Jim to shut him up.
Landesko 9 months ago
They keep telling us that the congressman showed up and that made Jim mad and then some wanted to leave so he blew and poisoned 913 people? NO plans or forethought?, where did he get the poison?
MrBullfrog9876 2 years ago 2
He had cyanide delivered for about a year before the suicide in small packages, he claimed he was using it for cleaning gold.
Queenrlz 2 years ago
i'm starting this is in sociology a-level and i've recently watched a documentry on it and it's easy to say why didn't they just run away, but most of these people had to watch their children have poison forced into their mouths along with watching most of their family die. So in the end they probably felt as though they had nothing else to live for
bassmansbash 2 years ago
Does anybody know what was in the drink that killed all these ppl? It must have been some extremely strong poison since nobody who drank it survived. If anyone knows what they used, plz tell me, I´m very curious about that!
Tussanify 2 years ago
official report was cyanide
9enlighten6 2 years ago
Thanks. Then I understand why noone survived. But they should have just ran...I mean, 900 ppl...the few guards with weapon wouldn´t had a chance to kill them all if they just fled...
Tussanify 2 years ago
The most of them were completely brainwashed, and the few who had Dissented at the last minute were far out numbered by loyalists. the only point at which I'm sure they would have all noticed that they were wrong was probably after all the kids had died and some of the adults had already drank or been injected with the cyanide
seangamble2 2 years ago
Actually official report was gunshots...
laubklein 2 years ago
I think it was Cyanide. Hitler and his bitches tried the same thing after realising that they were going downnnn... But Hitler failed...(not surprised) died by the bullet.
xbeegeez 2 years ago
He didn't exactly fail in poisoning himself. He bit down on the capsule and shot himself in the forehead immediateley afterward. He didn't want to take any chances.
johnd94 2 years ago
Hitler wanted to die by the bullet not poision, because he felt it was more honorable to die that way. Hitler also refused to be captured by the communists, so death was the only way for honor.
tgoodfella 2 years ago
"Insulted that the sun came up because the world had ended"...on Rev. Jim's say so.That's brainwashing alright.
RobGoth100 2 years ago
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Evil rulez. lol
AssassinateCantrell 2 years ago
In Johnestown there was drug testing going on, on some of the citizens (stated in sources)
cincin3x 2 years ago
Jonestown was a CIA program.
ccf1971 2 years ago
Any evidence, info?
gosciu555 2 years ago
Tom Mitrione - CIA, Richard Dwyer - CIA, Mark Lane - CIA.
It was a plan to get people wary of "cults", so when the govt. wants to get rid of a group they don't like, public opinion will be on their side.
Specifically, any Protestant group our Jesuit - controlled government does not like.
ccf1971 2 years ago
"Specifically, any Protestant group our Jesuit - controlled government does not like. "
Okay you just lost me, lolz. The gov is all wall street and other organized con artists.
gosciu555 2 years ago
Put "From Jonestown to Waco" in Youtube search. Look at some more of the videos at tlthe5th's channel.
ccf1971 2 years ago
me toooooooooo
bulmaelizalde 3 years ago 6
ME THREE........
pamgoodacre 3 years ago
me four.he,he
ASHLEY4500 3 years ago
i LOVE MOST EVIL
penten77 3 years ago