the beautiful thing about sambo that differs from BJJ, Judo, & Wrestling is that there are practically no restrictions in what techniques to use (eg banana split, toe hold, heel hooks, etc) unlike Judo or wrestling. Sambo is an ever-evolving art. Everyday new techniques and moves are incorporated into Sambo, which makes it one complete art.
@malicesgossips There are 2 main bodies in Combat Sambo (FIAS and WCSC) FIAS uses gloves, head gear and shin protection while WCSC only uses gloves with head gear and shins as option.
Example of both:
watch?v=uAyrE2lkBhs (FIAS) - allows toe holds no heel hooks.
watch?v=py6bkITAEtM (WCSC) - allows both toe holds and heel hooks.
The rules are on their sites.
Fedor competes in FIAS while some of Fedor's teammates (e.g. Oleinik) compete in the other one.
@pcjudosambo oh, beleave me, I know. And no toe holds and heel hooks are allowed in FIAS ;)
WCSC is not popular at all, but some hardcore fighters are really fighting under this org, maybe you're right, and these techniques are actually allowed there.
Oleynik is not a Fedor's teammate. Well, on paper they really are in the same club, but he trains in St Petersburg and Harkov while Fedor trains in Stary Oskol.
@pcjudosambo it's a bad translation, I guess. Or I have just missed some nuances in English terminology, because the thing, which is called toe-hold in MMA is definitely banned in CS from FIAS. Man, I'm a competitor under FIAS, I know.
The main question is where did you get this document? Another one is what actually they called as a toe-hold, because in Sambo it's a technique with the same mechanics as a heel-hook (to displace a knee joint by foot spinning). It's called узел стопы (foot-knot).
@malicesgossips I got this from a combat sambo competition information page. In Sambo you're not allowed to hold the toes, that's correct BUT you are allowed to do a variation of toe-hold submission by holding the middle part of the foot (between the top of the toes and the ankle... the impact is the same but you're not actually "holding the toes". In WCSC you can hold the toes just fine like in MMA. Also, I do Sambo as well and my coach is Master of Sports in Sambo and a World Sambo Champion.
Yes, there are some variations among those toe-holds which I've found via youtube, some of them are actually variations of ankle submissions (to squeeze an Achilles tendon), others are variations of the same technique as узел стопы (foot-knot) and heel-hook (to injury a knee).
the beautiful thing about sambo that differs from BJJ, Judo, & Wrestling is that there are practically no restrictions in what techniques to use (eg banana split, toe hold, heel hooks, etc) unlike Judo or wrestling. Sambo is an ever-evolving art. Everyday new techniques and moves are incorporated into Sambo, which makes it one complete art.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@pcjudosambo toe holds and heel hooks are banned in Sambo.
malicesgossips 1 year ago
@malicesgossips in Sport yes, Combat they are allowed.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@pcjudosambo nope ;)
malicesgossips 1 year ago
@malicesgossips There are 2 main bodies in Combat Sambo (FIAS and WCSC) FIAS uses gloves, head gear and shin protection while WCSC only uses gloves with head gear and shins as option.
Example of both:
watch?v=uAyrE2lkBhs (FIAS) - allows toe holds no heel hooks.
watch?v=py6bkITAEtM (WCSC) - allows both toe holds and heel hooks.
The rules are on their sites.
Fedor competes in FIAS while some of Fedor's teammates (e.g. Oleinik) compete in the other one.
Actually, the WCSC is quite popular.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@pcjudosambo oh, beleave me, I know. And no toe holds and heel hooks are allowed in FIAS ;)
WCSC is not popular at all, but some hardcore fighters are really fighting under this org, maybe you're right, and these techniques are actually allowed there.
Oleynik is not a Fedor's teammate. Well, on paper they really are in the same club, but he trains in St Petersburg and Harkov while Fedor trains in Stary Oskol.
malicesgossips 1 year ago
@malicesgossips
FIAS rules for combat sambo stating that toe holds are legal and heel hooks are not:
tournament . i n f o / madoc / rules / Sambo_Combat_Rules . p d f
of course remove the spaces before going to the site.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@pcjudosambo it's a bad translation, I guess. Or I have just missed some nuances in English terminology, because the thing, which is called toe-hold in MMA is definitely banned in CS from FIAS. Man, I'm a competitor under FIAS, I know.
The main question is where did you get this document? Another one is what actually they called as a toe-hold, because in Sambo it's a technique with the same mechanics as a heel-hook (to displace a knee joint by foot spinning). It's called узел стопы (foot-knot).
malicesgossips 1 year ago
@malicesgossips I got this from a combat sambo competition information page. In Sambo you're not allowed to hold the toes, that's correct BUT you are allowed to do a variation of toe-hold submission by holding the middle part of the foot (between the top of the toes and the ankle... the impact is the same but you're not actually "holding the toes". In WCSC you can hold the toes just fine like in MMA. Also, I do Sambo as well and my coach is Master of Sports in Sambo and a World Sambo Champion.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@pcjudosambo I get it, man!
Yes, there are some variations among those toe-holds which I've found via youtube, some of them are actually variations of ankle submissions (to squeeze an Achilles tendon), others are variations of the same technique as узел стопы (foot-knot) and heel-hook (to injury a knee).
The first are allowed, second - banned.
malicesgossips 1 year ago
sambo and sanda would be a perfect combination for MMA!
atotzink 1 year ago
the first guy in red is damn strong! sambo has alot of nice leg threads, takedowns, leg locks. awesome style
punkguyzeem 1 year ago
@punkguyzeem yeah and in Sambo you can slam the opponent when the opponent is on his/her back (something that is banned in Judo & BJJ competitions).
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
i guess we all know who won cough red cough
iggyzdaplaya 2 years ago
its a demonstration no one wins...
StinkyChad 2 years ago
i think krav maga jiu jitsu and sambo are the most effective martial arts for a street fight
icontroltheuniverse 2 years ago
@icontroltheuniverse Well jiu-jitsu and sambo (especially jiu-jitsu) need to be combined with other things. But KRAV MAGA FTW!!!!!!!!!!!
tywainwright1 5 months ago
looks like judo + jiu jitsu = sambo
vyctor75231362 3 years ago
Except, you know, not used by slants.
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
Not really.
Judo + Wrestling + striking (not seen in here) + TONS AND ENDLESS AMMOUNT OF LEGLOCKS + new takedowns not present in older style = Sambo.
tearo 2 years ago
pro!
simontjz 3 years ago
Nice!
tokuiwaza 3 years ago