And where were these same liberals when Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising were killed? Oh wait, since they were murdered by NAMBLA, Democrats don't consider Jeffrey and Jesse hate crime victims.
I'm gay and I think the bill is a mistake because it violates equal protection and it borders on thought crimes and I think violates freedom of speech. It's very common for people who are fighting to hurl insults too. That doesn't make someone a hate group. Crimes should be evaluated as to their degree and not based on some thought policing. This is how witch hunts are made, as it's impossible to prove you're NOT something.
so what this means is that there is no such thing as innocent victims only targets at the wrong place and time or maybe even instigating something ,and thats the sad state of affairs
jusrtice lives off of self victimization is (a good for nothing inferior state) and other low instincs such as vengeance and disdain, and made up of biased political intolerances and opinionated fallacies , there are still to many unenlightened fools who make up the justice system and who dont get that yet. it needs an liberating overhaul.
problem with so called victims, is that they carry with them subconcious masochistic tendencies causing them to do things wich brings sorrow and attacks upon themselves, fact is weak people curse themselves! wich is why we need to condem the justice that seeks to favorise so called victims each time , because rights are selectively given or taken away abitrarely by justice and justice is a senseless and redundant cash sucking machine that lives off of self victimization
wright and wrong is only a state of mind, just cos some poeple cant tolerate something does not make it wrong ,a law is an intolerance made up of a personal delusions or issues, its an opinion
the very notion that something is a crime because you hate or love the wrong thing according to general public is more frightening to me than any blatant act of violence.
me and my girlfriend believe obama is the most liberal president since weve been interested in politics, we hope he will move gay laws forward in his remaining term.
If anyone strung up a true believer, left them dead or dragged them to their death, it would not be a matter of religion, or belief, or faith. It would be a matter of social justice that you would confront. You would want a jury of your peers to weigh the scales against your perpetrator. The President is using the imperative of respect for human life, yours, no matter your creed, color, or sexual orientation. It is you who are lost, and who goes against His admonishment, "Judge Not."
If anyone strung up a true believer, left them dead or dragged them to their death, it would not be a matter of religion, or belief, or faith. It would be a matter of social justice that you would confront. You would want a jury of your peers to weigh the scales against your perpetrator. The President is using the imperative of respect for human life, yours, no matter your creed, color, or sexual orientation. It is you who are lost, and who goes against His admonishment, "Judge Not."
@clairefranciful Mercy, Justice, Morals, Ethics, Right and Wrong, Wisdom, is what Righteousness is, All from God not mankind. Man is fallen and seeks his own Glory instead of Glorifying God. This calling people judgers is realy out of hand, Servants of Christ Jesus do as he does, and speaks as he speaks. We call evil evil, we call sin sin. We will stand against them. Read 1Corinthians 2:15-16, 2Timothy Chapter 3, Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22, 2Peter, 2Corinthans 11:12-15, Revelation chapter 13
But was Matthew Shepard Saved?? Did he know the Lord Jesus Christ as his Personal Saviour?? HELLO!!
The President doesnt get it. Instead of using this as his agenda pusher, He should be reaching out so many more Americans do not die in there sins. You have heard it said the President is a Christian. I say to you, that he is neither a Servant of Christ nor a Disciple.
The President persues Unrighteousness, and does it with Zeal. God wants him to Bring him Glory, not lift up perversion.
President Obama is so very , very lost. He doesnt know Right from Wrong, his Left from his Right hand. Just like the Ninevites. Go to him and Preach the Good News.
God says it will go well with us if we Pray for our Leaders.
Dont listen to 'rights' 'hatecrimes' or anyother words they use for there own agendas.
You must walk with God in HIS Righteousness not your own. Get it??
@yupper99 I am a Servant and Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. Gays need the Word. So they can believe and be Saved from the Wrath of God that falls upon all who deny his Blessed Son Jesus the Christ.
If our politicians would put all this effort into Worshipping and Trusting the Lord Jesus then they would do all they could to see all come to know and Trust him. Amen.
satan moves on the hearts of mankind and leads them astray. He is a deceiver and a liar, and many fall into his snares.
@yupper99 YE HA WELL COMING FROM SOMEONE WHOSE OWN ARE ABOUT 60 PERCENT FAGS AND ARE DIEING FROM AIDS MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE COMPARATIVE . FAGS ARE NOT HAPPY BEING FAGS SORRY BUT WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD IS WRONG THEY HAVE A DIVORCE RATE HIGHER THAN HETERO COUPLES AND THEY SPREAD DISEASE FASTER THAN HETERO COUPLES . THEY HAVE MORE SUPPORT GROUPS FOR FAGS THAN FOR THE HETERO SEXUAL LIFESTYLE AND NO KID WANTS TO HAVE TWO DADDIES OR TWO MOMMIES NO MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD .
Today, it's outlawing people talking about, or referring to, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability. Tomorrow it's outlawing speech against the Government. Day after that, it's the first amendment repealed because it's "pld and outdated and allows hate speech". We have begun down a slippery slope from which there is no return. Shame on each of you who want to limit or eliminate free speech, the cornerstone of this country. It's a sad, sad day for freedom.
YOU ARE PURLEY IN A DREAMWORLD MATTY ! lmao ! youtube black on white violent crime then youtube white on black violent crime THEN GOOGLE IT THEN YAHOO IT THE BING IT THEN USE EVERY SEARCH ENGINE UNDER THE SUN ! you will find out the TRUTH that whites are the VICTIMS OF HATE CRIMES WAY MORE THAN BLACKS ARE and whites USUALLY END UP PAYING WITH THEIR LIVES COMPARED TO WHITE ON BLACK HATE CRIMES you tube larry elders video he states the facts there ! WAKE UP !
This is a slight unmeritable man, meet to be sent on errands: and, though others lay these honors on this man, to ease themselves of divers slanderous loads, he shall but bear them as the ass bears gold, to groan and sweat under the business, either led or driven, as they point the way; and having brought their treasure where they will, then take they down his load and turn him off, like to the empty ass, to shake his ears and graze in commons.
What about WHITE people who are the MOST IMPACTED by hate crimes in the us WHY are they NOT PROTECTED ? any white person with HALF A BRAIN would be COMPLETELY OUTRAGED ! looks like most white people are too scared to STAND UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE CONSIDERED RACIST if they do ! looks like WHITES will continue to be the MOST PRAYED UPON in the united states and the LEAST PROTECTED ! pathetic !
The first thing anyone would say against that is that "white people started all the racism in the first place." I mean, true or not, we're suddenly at a point where an African American can call white people crackers, but if a white person breaks out nigger, law suits are a-plenty... And you're right; we're too scared of being all considered racist. "We started the problems, so we gotta take the resulting abuse." which is.... Wrong, and INequal.
I'm white , and what you're talking about is racist remarks , and yes I agree with you the punishment is far harsher for us if we make them towards a black person , but the sad truth is millions of people a year kill and beat black people or gay people to a bloody pulp purely because they're black or gay
it is EXTREMELY rare you will find a white or straight person put in hospital for being white or straight
Well done USA! Canada has had this law for a very, very long time...maybe you'll catch up with us in the same-sex marriage rights, too! One can only hope :-)
@FreiKonigsberg Were they Channon/Christian raped because of their sexual orientation, race, or other? If other, then please be specific as to the motive of the crime.
No they weren't just raped scumbag, they were both beaten, sodomized, tortured and mutilated before being burnt and hacked to death!! If that isn't HATE what is, leroyX? The motive? BECAUSE THEY WERE WHITE YOU M*TH*RF**KER!
@xzrhsb. Sounds like FreiKonigsberg is mad at the world and/or sad at the world. You merely asked a question and he calls you a "scumbag,M*TH*RF**KER!" ...apparently. He didnt read the current hate crime laws that would cover the Channon/Christian case. He seems to busy spouting off self hate to take time and do his homework on current laws. Consider ignoring his obvious incoherent rant and move on to more sensible conversation.
@xzrhsb@xzrhsb. Sounds like FreiKonigsberg is mad at the world and/or sad at the world. You merely asked a question and he calls you a "scumbag,M*TH*RF**KER!" ...apparently. He didnt read the current hate crime laws that would cover the Channon/Christian case. He seems to busy spouting off self hate to take time and do his homework on current laws. Consider ignoring his obvious incoherent rant and move on to more sensible conversation.
Sounds like you have sat through many marxist college courses. The greatest technique of a communist is to avoid factual confrontations and use slanderous insults in lieu of historical and self-evident facts. If you can't see that blacks commit far more violent,brutal crimes against whites than vice-versa, than you are simply a racist or you support the genocide of White people. Either way you should be made a eunuch and forced to sing tenor when lights go out in your snug state pen suite :)
I understand that some people feel 'less protected now' but ... lets face it. Who will do this things to a person just because he's single-white-straight.
I'm doing an essay on Gay Marriage in school, (and I think this is another step closer to what many gay people want for themselves: to be happy, and to know they won't be judged by who they love). Thank you for sharing this fantasic information.
It is you who use the term "ordinary people" in the first place as opposed to "minorities" perhaps you would be able to explain what you mean by that and then I can understand you better not before!
You don't need to be in a minority. The law now covers ANYONE of any race, gender religion or sexual orientation. I assume that you have a race, gender religion and sexual orientation and are therefore protected by this law.
laat me eens zien of je zelf wel een andere taal foutloos kan spellen en dan mag je spreken, niet voordien. Vertel me eens wat je tegen gewone mensen hebt.
I understand the criticism of hate crime laws but you have to keep in mind, they are a problem that need to be addressed, and the reality is that minorities ARE targeted. Maybe someday we won't need hate crime laws, but I feel that we still do today.
I think some of them are. I know the U.K. (and the Netherlands?) have had problems with going way too far and actually arresting anti-gay preachers.
But then, that's what happens when your constitution doesn't explicitly guarantee freedom of speech. The U.S. will be fine, despite the paranoid ravings of the religious right.
There are hate speech laws in many European nations. You can say what you like in private or in your own venue (such as a church) and you can state almost any moral belief you wish - but you cannot stand on the pavement in a public street and incite hatred against minority groups. That's the only reason some preachers have been arrested. Religious schools ('madrassahs') have also been prevented from encouraging children to become terrorists. I don't think that's taking the law too far.
Well, I'm pretty absolutist when it comes to free speech. If it doesn't cause immediate and imminent danger to any reasonable observer (saying "Fire!" in a crowded theater or saying "Go kill this abortion provider and here is his home address"), I think it should be allowed, no matter how hateful.
I also oppose laws, for instance, that bar the homophobic Fred Phelps from protesting at military funerals.
Liberalism will allow it's enemies to destroy it if it goes too far in tolerating intolerance. Prof Karl Popper pointed out in "The Open Society and Its Enemies" that we should refuse to tolerate intolerance and that there are limits to tolerance. In John Rawls equally important book "A Theory of Justice" he concludes that society has a right of self-preservation that supersedes the principle of tolerance. Intolerance must be tolerated only insofar as it does not endanger the tolerant society.
My counterpoint would be that if I do not ensure my enemy's freedom, I'll have nothing to stand on to defend my own. From Neil Gaiman's essay "Why defend freedom of icky speech?": "I loved coming to the US in 1992, mostly because I loved the idea that freedom of speech was paramount. ... You can say what you like, write what you like, and know that the remedy to someone saying or writing or showing something that offends you is -not to read it-, or to -speak out against it-."
I basically agree with you. I certainly respect the right of people to say things that I disagree with or that offend me - that if the basis of a liberal society - but there are limits, even if they are difficult to define. In 1999 I saw graffiti in the streets saying "death to the unbeliever", I heard a lecture in the local Mosque on "jihad" and saw the students there chant "death to America". Two years later I watched 9/11 and felt that tolerance of intolerance may have gone too far.
Ironically, the European Union just signed a law banning criticism of homosexuality AND Islam. Notice something wrong with that? What will happen to a Muslim who attacks a gay man?
It's not a law - it's a guideline for national laws in member nations. It does not call for a ban on criticism, it call for a bans on incitement to intimidate and attack minorities. Reasonable criticism of Islamist violence and fundamentalism can be found in most European papers and TV/Radio programs.
What will happen to a Muslim who attacks a gay man?
- if hate was the reason he'd be guilty of a hate crime and be prosecuted - as would a gay man if he attacked a Muslim because of his religion.
So when will we see hate crime bills named after Channon Christian, Christopher Newsom, Jeffrey Curley, and Jesse Dirkhising? And how long before criticizing radical Islam becomes a crime?
If these were crimes designed to cause terror in a wide section of the population then they would be hate crimes. If they were crimes against individuals with no wider terrorist intent then they were not. Most nations distinguish between normal murder and terrorist murder because terrorist murder not only kills a person but causes widespread fear and suffering.
And why would liberals - who oppose everything that radical Islam stands for - have any interest in banning criticism of it?
Everytime someone attacks Islam, liberals are the first to defend Muslims. Remember the Danish cartoon controversy and how leftists were whining about how we hurt Muslims' feelings?
Liberals have their ultra-tolerant lunatic fringe just like the Republicans have their intolerant lunatic fringe. I heard there was recently an ultra-liberal judge (a woman) who told a man originally from Saudi Arabia that it was OK for him to beat his wife because it was part of his culture! [Quite rightly she was sacked]. Surely the sensible middle position is to tolerate diversity and different viewpoints but not to tolerate bigotry and hatred.
@bearchewtoy75 YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED YOUR A DISGRACE AND VILE . YOU ARE ONLY ONLY DOING HARM NOT GOOD. REPENT AND BE SAVED FROM YOUR PERVERSION AND LUST . YOU HAVE ALOT OF RESOURCES THAT CAN HELP YOU SUPPORT GROUPS AND REHABILITATION .
IF YOUR PARENTS WERE FAGS WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN BORN ? WOULD THE KID YOU WANT TO ADOPT HAVE BEEN BORN? I THINK NOT .
@expurb So you wanna go out a kill gay people. How lovely and Christian of you. Matthew Shepared didn't deserve to die. If you think people should be killed because they are different then your sick!!
I have been a victim myself... how do i seek help?
cc11008 1 month ago
@cc11008 Are you looking for help in pressing charges or are you looking for help in dealing with the post traumatic stress?
dark0tale0weaver 4 weeks ago
"Jesus Christ"...what would he say = "Abomination" = "Obama's Nation".!
robbypjr 6 months ago
lot of hate crime instants will still happen because whites will not be protected
sabbathfan55 8 months ago
still i do support the hate crime protection act though
IPOSER9 8 months ago
And where were these same liberals when Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising were killed? Oh wait, since they were murdered by NAMBLA, Democrats don't consider Jeffrey and Jesse hate crime victims.
StoogeWatcher 9 months ago
I'm gay and I think the bill is a mistake because it violates equal protection and it borders on thought crimes and I think violates freedom of speech. It's very common for people who are fighting to hurl insults too. That doesn't make someone a hate group. Crimes should be evaluated as to their degree and not based on some thought policing. This is how witch hunts are made, as it's impossible to prove you're NOT something.
ambidextrality 9 months ago
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IPOSER9 10 months ago
so what this means is that there is no such thing as innocent victims only targets at the wrong place and time or maybe even instigating something ,and thats the sad state of affairs
IPOSER9 10 months ago
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IPOSER9 10 months ago
jusrtice lives off of self victimization is (a good for nothing inferior state) and other low instincs such as vengeance and disdain, and made up of biased political intolerances and opinionated fallacies , there are still to many unenlightened fools who make up the justice system and who dont get that yet. it needs an liberating overhaul.
IPOSER9 10 months ago
problem with so called victims, is that they carry with them subconcious masochistic tendencies causing them to do things wich brings sorrow and attacks upon themselves, fact is weak people curse themselves! wich is why we need to condem the justice that seeks to favorise so called victims each time , because rights are selectively given or taken away abitrarely by justice and justice is a senseless and redundant cash sucking machine that lives off of self victimization
IPOSER9 10 months ago
wright and wrong is only a state of mind, just cos some poeple cant tolerate something does not make it wrong ,a law is an intolerance made up of a personal delusions or issues, its an opinion
good and bad is an opinion it does not exist
IPOSER9 10 months ago
Go to: Phil Berg. Then: Her Name is Ms Ann. Then: Larry Sinclair. Then: Rev. Manning. Then: Relax and enjoy Tracy Huang, singing, HELLO DARLIN.
Petekiv 11 months ago
Cindi Lauper was there. On the set of celebrity apprentice.
deonvan 1 year ago
90% -Thumbs Up, 7% -Thumbs Down Tue-Jun-22, 23:08hrs 2010...
Closet homosexuals in America, come out and play. Your Nazi Youth Pope Commands you, Obey!
webmasteh 1 year ago
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the very notion that something is a crime because you hate or love the wrong thing according to general public is more frightening to me than any blatant act of violence.
Final137 1 year ago
me and my girlfriend believe obama is the most liberal president since weve been interested in politics, we hope he will move gay laws forward in his remaining term.
katherinegeisha 1 year ago
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If anyone strung up a true believer, left them dead or dragged them to their death, it would not be a matter of religion, or belief, or faith. It would be a matter of social justice that you would confront. You would want a jury of your peers to weigh the scales against your perpetrator. The President is using the imperative of respect for human life, yours, no matter your creed, color, or sexual orientation. It is you who are lost, and who goes against His admonishment, "Judge Not."
clairefranciful 1 year ago
If anyone strung up a true believer, left them dead or dragged them to their death, it would not be a matter of religion, or belief, or faith. It would be a matter of social justice that you would confront. You would want a jury of your peers to weigh the scales against your perpetrator. The President is using the imperative of respect for human life, yours, no matter your creed, color, or sexual orientation. It is you who are lost, and who goes against His admonishment, "Judge Not."
clairefranciful 1 year ago
@clairefranciful Mercy, Justice, Morals, Ethics, Right and Wrong, Wisdom, is what Righteousness is, All from God not mankind. Man is fallen and seeks his own Glory instead of Glorifying God. This calling people judgers is realy out of hand, Servants of Christ Jesus do as he does, and speaks as he speaks. We call evil evil, we call sin sin. We will stand against them. Read 1Corinthians 2:15-16, 2Timothy Chapter 3, Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22, 2Peter, 2Corinthans 11:12-15, Revelation chapter 13
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever And, when I'm not eating babies or trying to cause the destruction of mankind, I call the bible toilet paper!
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@ighforever No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord. Deuteronomy 23:1
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
But was Matthew Shepard Saved?? Did he know the Lord Jesus Christ as his Personal Saviour?? HELLO!!
The President doesnt get it. Instead of using this as his agenda pusher, He should be reaching out so many more Americans do not die in there sins. You have heard it said the President is a Christian. I say to you, that he is neither a Servant of Christ nor a Disciple.
The President persues Unrighteousness, and does it with Zeal. God wants him to Bring him Glory, not lift up perversion.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever Matthew Shepared was murdered and all you can fucking think of is religious dogma!! FUCK YOU!!
tweethang1 1 year ago
President Obama is so very , very lost. He doesnt know Right from Wrong, his Left from his Right hand. Just like the Ninevites. Go to him and Preach the Good News.
God says it will go well with us if we Pray for our Leaders.
Dont listen to 'rights' 'hatecrimes' or anyother words they use for there own agendas.
You must walk with God in HIS Righteousness not your own. Get it??
Jesus is Lord of all. Amen.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever you are an idiot.
yupper99 1 year ago
@yupper99 I am a Servant and Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. Gays need the Word. So they can believe and be Saved from the Wrath of God that falls upon all who deny his Blessed Son Jesus the Christ.
If our politicians would put all this effort into Worshipping and Trusting the Lord Jesus then they would do all they could to see all come to know and Trust him. Amen.
satan moves on the hearts of mankind and leads them astray. He is a deceiver and a liar, and many fall into his snares.
ighforever 1 year ago
@ighforever Yes, thanks again for validating that you are an idiot.
yupper99 1 year ago
@yupper99 YE HA WELL COMING FROM SOMEONE WHOSE OWN ARE ABOUT 60 PERCENT FAGS AND ARE DIEING FROM AIDS MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE COMPARATIVE . FAGS ARE NOT HAPPY BEING FAGS SORRY BUT WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD IS WRONG THEY HAVE A DIVORCE RATE HIGHER THAN HETERO COUPLES AND THEY SPREAD DISEASE FASTER THAN HETERO COUPLES . THEY HAVE MORE SUPPORT GROUPS FOR FAGS THAN FOR THE HETERO SEXUAL LIFESTYLE AND NO KID WANTS TO HAVE TWO DADDIES OR TWO MOMMIES NO MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD .
expurb 1 year ago
@expurb I don't understand what you said. Stop using all caps and learn proper English.
yupper99 1 year ago
@ighforever SODOM AND GOMORA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
expurb 1 year ago
@expurb MINNEAPOLIS AND ST. PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@ighforever So you think killing gay people in the name of god is fair and just!? GO FUCK YOUR SELF!! NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE!!
tweethang1 1 year ago
Today, it's outlawing people talking about, or referring to, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability. Tomorrow it's outlawing speech against the Government. Day after that, it's the first amendment repealed because it's "pld and outdated and allows hate speech". We have begun down a slippery slope from which there is no return. Shame on each of you who want to limit or eliminate free speech, the cornerstone of this country. It's a sad, sad day for freedom.
superbaron1 1 year ago
fallacy: appeal to emotion.
ReformedTheology5 1 year ago
Wait, I'm confused....is this act...an actual Law, now?
puppetsan 1 year ago
YOU ARE PURLEY IN A DREAMWORLD MATTY ! lmao ! youtube black on white violent crime then youtube white on black violent crime THEN GOOGLE IT THEN YAHOO IT THE BING IT THEN USE EVERY SEARCH ENGINE UNDER THE SUN ! you will find out the TRUTH that whites are the VICTIMS OF HATE CRIMES WAY MORE THAN BLACKS ARE and whites USUALLY END UP PAYING WITH THEIR LIVES COMPARED TO WHITE ON BLACK HATE CRIMES you tube larry elders video he states the facts there ! WAKE UP !
WhiteIGNITERS 1 year ago
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This is a slight unmeritable man, meet to be sent on errands: and, though others lay these honors on this man, to ease themselves of divers slanderous loads, he shall but bear them as the ass bears gold, to groan and sweat under the business, either led or driven, as they point the way; and having brought their treasure where they will, then take they down his load and turn him off, like to the empty ass, to shake his ears and graze in commons.
GreatGrumbledook 1 year ago
Yet more steps toward America becoming anti-White. Europe, you are next!
StrictlyGentile 2 years ago
What about WHITE people who are the MOST IMPACTED by hate crimes in the us WHY are they NOT PROTECTED ? any white person with HALF A BRAIN would be COMPLETELY OUTRAGED ! looks like most white people are too scared to STAND UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE CONSIDERED RACIST if they do ! looks like WHITES will continue to be the MOST PRAYED UPON in the united states and the LEAST PROTECTED ! pathetic !
WhiteIGNITERS 2 years ago
@WhiteIGNITERS
Exactly !!!
ziguran 2 years ago
The first thing anyone would say against that is that "white people started all the racism in the first place." I mean, true or not, we're suddenly at a point where an African American can call white people crackers, but if a white person breaks out nigger, law suits are a-plenty... And you're right; we're too scared of being all considered racist. "We started the problems, so we gotta take the resulting abuse." which is.... Wrong, and INequal.
Novetrix 2 years ago
I'm white , and what you're talking about is racist remarks , and yes I agree with you the punishment is far harsher for us if we make them towards a black person , but the sad truth is millions of people a year kill and beat black people or gay people to a bloody pulp purely because they're black or gay
it is EXTREMELY rare you will find a white or straight person put in hospital for being white or straight
and that is what this bill is about
not about petty name calling.
Matty3Mite3 1 year ago
Well done USA! Canada has had this law for a very, very long time...maybe you'll catch up with us in the same-sex marriage rights, too! One can only hope :-)
dipper45 2 years ago
Once upon a time there was a beautiful free land called America....
FreiKonigsberg 2 years ago
What about the Channon Christian "hate crime bill" you piece of shit!!!!!
FreiKonigsberg 2 years ago
@FreiKonigsberg Were they Channon/Christian raped because of their sexual orientation, race, or other? If other, then please be specific as to the motive of the crime.
xzrhsb 2 years ago
No they weren't just raped scumbag, they were both beaten, sodomized, tortured and mutilated before being burnt and hacked to death!! If that isn't HATE what is, leroyX? The motive? BECAUSE THEY WERE WHITE YOU M*TH*RF**KER!
FreiKonigsberg 2 years ago
RACIST!
robertuk2006 2 years ago
Anti-White Genocidalist!!!
FreiKonigsberg 2 years ago
@xzrhsb. Sounds like FreiKonigsberg is mad at the world and/or sad at the world. You merely asked a question and he calls you a "scumbag,M*TH*RF**KER!" ...apparently. He didnt read the current hate crime laws that would cover the Channon/Christian case. He seems to busy spouting off self hate to take time and do his homework on current laws. Consider ignoring his obvious incoherent rant and move on to more sensible conversation.
Luvcoffey 2 years ago
@xzrhsb @xzrhsb. Sounds like FreiKonigsberg is mad at the world and/or sad at the world. You merely asked a question and he calls you a "scumbag,M*TH*RF**KER!" ...apparently. He didnt read the current hate crime laws that would cover the Channon/Christian case. He seems to busy spouting off self hate to take time and do his homework on current laws. Consider ignoring his obvious incoherent rant and move on to more sensible conversation.
Luvcoffey 2 years ago
Sounds like you have sat through many marxist college courses. The greatest technique of a communist is to avoid factual confrontations and use slanderous insults in lieu of historical and self-evident facts. If you can't see that blacks commit far more violent,brutal crimes against whites than vice-versa, than you are simply a racist or you support the genocide of White people. Either way you should be made a eunuch and forced to sing tenor when lights go out in your snug state pen suite :)
FreiKonigsberg 2 years ago
I understand that some people feel 'less protected now' but ... lets face it. Who will do this things to a person just because he's single-white-straight.
Tamive 2 years ago
I'm doing an essay on Gay Marriage in school, (and I think this is another step closer to what many gay people want for themselves: to be happy, and to know they won't be judged by who they love). Thank you for sharing this fantasic information.
hippygravy240 2 years ago
im all for it as long as it includes if a black man beats up a white man because of race,racism is a 2 way street.
ptsmmrs 2 years ago
It doesn't.
StrictlyGentile 2 years ago
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joebidensanass 2 years ago 3
No, obviously not. Read the bill.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago
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ikerio 2 years ago
no, but the comment you just posted shows you have no idea what this is all about. this is about more than calling eachother names
aprilrain89 2 years ago 2
no it doesnt you DUMB SHIT
wickedfan5172 2 years ago
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ikerio 2 years ago
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bb44332211 2 years ago
That's an idiotic lie and you know it. You have no evidence to justify your ridiculous statement.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago
It is you who use the term "ordinary people" in the first place as opposed to "minorities" perhaps you would be able to explain what you mean by that and then I can understand you better not before!
ikerio 2 years ago
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EqualAndFree 2 years ago
I an glad that he signed that into law. But it won't be just enough to follow that law.
We too must make a stand ourselves to make sure that such acts aren't being committed against anyone for any reason at all.
KZGY1024 2 years ago 5
hard times to come for ordinary people who cannot find shelter within some protected minority.
envanje 2 years ago
You don't need to be in a minority. The law now covers ANYONE of any race, gender religion or sexual orientation. I assume that you have a race, gender religion and sexual orientation and are therefore protected by this law.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago 2
outban?????? forbidding the thing???????
this is clearly double dutch to me! sorry
ikerio 2 years ago
low attack from someone without a valuable argument.
envanje 2 years ago
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ikerio 2 years ago
laat me eens zien of je zelf wel een andere taal foutloos kan spellen en dan mag je spreken, niet voordien. Vertel me eens wat je tegen gewone mensen hebt.
envanje 2 years ago
Better to outban the causes for hate instead of forbidding the thing.
I hate to hate but sometimes I've no choice.
envanje 2 years ago
Who do you HAVE to hate?
EqualAndFree 2 years ago
I understand the criticism of hate crime laws but you have to keep in mind, they are a problem that need to be addressed, and the reality is that minorities ARE targeted. Maybe someday we won't need hate crime laws, but I feel that we still do today.
WerewolfOfTheWater 2 years ago
I hope this bill will truly help
EveryTime666 2 years ago 2
cool.
StraightActingGayGuy 2 years ago
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obama is a total fuck tard
atomicmudjugdipper 2 years ago
I wasn't sure about him at first, but he has really won me over =]
itsderek09 2 years ago 3
European Countries, as Italy, should follow this trail.
kontact666 2 years ago
I think some of them are. I know the U.K. (and the Netherlands?) have had problems with going way too far and actually arresting anti-gay preachers.
But then, that's what happens when your constitution doesn't explicitly guarantee freedom of speech. The U.S. will be fine, despite the paranoid ravings of the religious right.
tzushih 2 years ago
There are hate speech laws in many European nations. You can say what you like in private or in your own venue (such as a church) and you can state almost any moral belief you wish - but you cannot stand on the pavement in a public street and incite hatred against minority groups. That's the only reason some preachers have been arrested. Religious schools ('madrassahs') have also been prevented from encouraging children to become terrorists. I don't think that's taking the law too far.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago
Well, I'm pretty absolutist when it comes to free speech. If it doesn't cause immediate and imminent danger to any reasonable observer (saying "Fire!" in a crowded theater or saying "Go kill this abortion provider and here is his home address"), I think it should be allowed, no matter how hateful.
I also oppose laws, for instance, that bar the homophobic Fred Phelps from protesting at military funerals.
tzushih 2 years ago
Liberalism will allow it's enemies to destroy it if it goes too far in tolerating intolerance. Prof Karl Popper pointed out in "The Open Society and Its Enemies" that we should refuse to tolerate intolerance and that there are limits to tolerance. In John Rawls equally important book "A Theory of Justice" he concludes that society has a right of self-preservation that supersedes the principle of tolerance. Intolerance must be tolerated only insofar as it does not endanger the tolerant society.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago
My counterpoint would be that if I do not ensure my enemy's freedom, I'll have nothing to stand on to defend my own. From Neil Gaiman's essay "Why defend freedom of icky speech?": "I loved coming to the US in 1992, mostly because I loved the idea that freedom of speech was paramount. ... You can say what you like, write what you like, and know that the remedy to someone saying or writing or showing something that offends you is -not to read it-, or to -speak out against it-."
tzushih 2 years ago
I basically agree with you. I certainly respect the right of people to say things that I disagree with or that offend me - that if the basis of a liberal society - but there are limits, even if they are difficult to define. In 1999 I saw graffiti in the streets saying "death to the unbeliever", I heard a lecture in the local Mosque on "jihad" and saw the students there chant "death to America". Two years later I watched 9/11 and felt that tolerance of intolerance may have gone too far.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago
Ironically, the European Union just signed a law banning criticism of homosexuality AND Islam. Notice something wrong with that? What will happen to a Muslim who attacks a gay man?
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
It's not a law - it's a guideline for national laws in member nations. It does not call for a ban on criticism, it call for a bans on incitement to intimidate and attack minorities. Reasonable criticism of Islamist violence and fundamentalism can be found in most European papers and TV/Radio programs.
What will happen to a Muslim who attacks a gay man?
- if hate was the reason he'd be guilty of a hate crime and be prosecuted - as would a gay man if he attacked a Muslim because of his religion.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago 2
To StoogeWatcher: EqualAndFree gave you the answer. And, personally, I totally agree with him.
kontact666 2 years ago
No, they should not. What they should do, instead, is rid their beautiful countries of non-Whites.
StrictlyGentile 2 years ago
So when will we see hate crime bills named after Channon Christian, Christopher Newsom, Jeffrey Curley, and Jesse Dirkhising? And how long before criticizing radical Islam becomes a crime?
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
If these were crimes designed to cause terror in a wide section of the population then they would be hate crimes. If they were crimes against individuals with no wider terrorist intent then they were not. Most nations distinguish between normal murder and terrorist murder because terrorist murder not only kills a person but causes widespread fear and suffering.
And why would liberals - who oppose everything that radical Islam stands for - have any interest in banning criticism of it?
EqualAndFree 2 years ago
Everytime someone attacks Islam, liberals are the first to defend Muslims. Remember the Danish cartoon controversy and how leftists were whining about how we hurt Muslims' feelings?
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
Liberals have their ultra-tolerant lunatic fringe just like the Republicans have their intolerant lunatic fringe. I heard there was recently an ultra-liberal judge (a woman) who told a man originally from Saudi Arabia that it was OK for him to beat his wife because it was part of his culture! [Quite rightly she was sacked]. Surely the sensible middle position is to tolerate diversity and different viewpoints but not to tolerate bigotry and hatred.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago
Check out the puppet stooges in the background. lol
Nightrunner529 2 years ago
Now its illegal to kill everybody but white folks. lol
Nightrunner529 2 years ago
Nightrunner529 - try reading the Bill instead of listening to Fox News.
EqualAndFree 2 years ago 5
Congratulations América for this important and necessary step.
Homophobic and racist behaviour should get zero tolerance.
ikerio 2 years ago 7
This is awesome. Next step, marriage.
peebzzz 2 years ago 8
Go for it, Obama! Now lets see action on DOMA, DADT etc..
EqualAndFree 2 years ago 4
Hey there EqualAndFree!
I believe he'll dump DOMA and DADT. I know, it's hard to be patient, but it's coming.
connectmoi 2 years ago 2
Finaly At LAST
stargate55746 2 years ago 3
Great news. Next in the list, repeal DOMA.
newkillerstardust 2 years ago
Didn't expect to start tearing up during this speech. What a wonderful day. Thank you, Mr. President.
perez92680 2 years ago 4
Overwhelmingly wonderful!!!
missnorthwest 2 years ago 5
Well its about time that this law was signed and will soon be put into federal affect.
This was a topic that should not have had to undergo such much debating, now I am glad that the lives that were lost, were not in vain after all.
Go Obama
Jensagirl 2 years ago 3
Yay! So when can we get married?
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago 14
@bearchewtoy75 YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED YOUR A DISGRACE AND VILE . YOU ARE ONLY ONLY DOING HARM NOT GOOD. REPENT AND BE SAVED FROM YOUR PERVERSION AND LUST . YOU HAVE ALOT OF RESOURCES THAT CAN HELP YOU SUPPORT GROUPS AND REHABILITATION .
IF YOUR PARENTS WERE FAGS WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN BORN ? WOULD THE KID YOU WANT TO ADOPT HAVE BEEN BORN? I THINK NOT .
expurb 1 year ago
@expurb Whoa whoa whoa... calm down. Take off the caps lock off.
First off, can't repent to a god that doesn't exist.
Second, it's spelled "Gomorrah"
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@expurb So you wanna go out a kill gay people. How lovely and Christian of you. Matthew Shepared didn't deserve to die. If you think people should be killed because they are different then your sick!!
tweethang1 1 year ago
Thank you, President Obama!
ImaginarySkyfriend 2 years ago 4
about time... did it hurt him that much to move his wrist to sign this and gain a little of the support from the left he had lost?
countvladdracule 2 years ago 3
Peace. Love. Equality. :)
cheerleader5293 2 years ago 5
This is a step forward for not just GLBT but also this country and her people. Let freedom ring!
fate5demand 2 years ago 9
Thank you President Obama. R.I.P Matthew , this one is for you and all hate crime victims!
darksideofthenation 2 years ago 11
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Who will enforce this? The Dept. of Pre-crime?
Oglenthorne 2 years ago
Thank you, Matthew did not die in vain.
Sdwyer1 2 years ago 4
It's about Time!
Galen20K 2 years ago 9
WOO!
ghettomermaid 2 years ago 8
When I see him kiss Judy Shephard on the cheek I start tearing up.
ItsCoreyLynxxYall 2 years ago 5