If you do a Google image search for (generating ramp wave)
some schematic circuit diagrams come out. What you want is one where you can gate the ramp voltage to off as soon as the water capacitor seems to achieve breakdown whilst the gas is being produced. Some of the circuits use 555 timers, and others use square waves input into an integrator OP AMP circuit. Some sites with this have virus java script on them, so temporarily turn that off in your browser while grabbing the images. Good luck.
Direct connection oscillator would work to make resonance, but having the transformer in the energy pump part of the circuit shall shift the phase of the applied energy & you will not get "proper" resonance.
P. Lindemann said the stepped ramp of voltage of the VIC was to only provide nearly / exactly the water capacitor's breakdown voltage then wait for bubbles to clear. So detecting water cap breakdown event, then waiting for bubbles to clear are the "true" objectives according to P. Lindemann?
has anyone tried High-temperature electrolysis, hte lookit up in wikipedia
High temperature electrolysis is more efficient economically than traditional room-temperature electrolysis because some of the energy is supplied as heat, which is cheaper than electricity, and because the electrolysis reaction is more efficient at higher temperatures
At 100°C, 350 megajoules of thermal energy are required (41% efficient). At 850°C, 225 megajoules are required (64% efficient).
good explaination, has someone tried to resonate plane distiled water with no plates or electrolyte, simular to the video on youtube burning salt water....ie
I'm not an electrician, but you seem to be able to explain this stuff so well, that even a lay man such as myself can understand the direction you want this to go. I think you are really onto something with letting it adjust it's own frequency. All you need do now is get it to work with multiple cells in series and you will have it down pat. Keep up the good work.
Meyer did not endorse resonance, he used it to confuse people as crazy as that sounds. He made pump z waves, esp. with his best and final invention the hho injector. All you need are 3 waves of 8x diff freq' each, the final 'carried' wave becomes a pump z wave of ultra high potential, especially if you coat your plates with cu/si02 lattice grown Resonance is turning your metal into a capacitor as you seem to say. For hho inj. U need a 40kv .03amp mosfet with 2micron diamond coating.
@mikefromspace My theory on Meyers use of resonance has changed since this video. Stan did not use caustic electrolyte. Distilled water is an insulating dielectric. The only way to induce a current through an insulating dielectric is with resonance using SERIES RLC, just as he describes. It's no more or less efficient at producing HHO than by using electrolytes. What it IS is safer and easier to maintain.
@ZeroFossilFuel Okay, gotcha, but his final patent the hho injector required water mist sprayed between an anode and electrode moving current in the form of a pump z wave at 10 to 30khz at up to 50kv using a 5nanosecond response time 1000Watt Mosfet, and it produced hundreds of h.p. from a mere 100watt average output (since the 1000W was only running a fraction of the time.) Anyway I guess you understand that resonance does not happen through a choking diode.
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L and C reach an equalibrium. all the C doesnt have to come from the cell. so frequency of pulsed dc ....not sure if it ever resonates. yes i am quite sure it will not ever resonate. adjustible L and adjustable C and the cell has both R and C big whoopee...it can be in a circuit and .....well the centerline of the pulses could be 1.8 volts and ac could float at 1.8 volts and then pulsed dc would become ac?
If you look at my channel You will see every time that I don't share too much, because not to many people can grasp the concept of constant variables involved, but you are the first person that can actually put a thought together that match the very basics of the resonance. I say that I disagree with every body when they say that HHO Resonance need a very low input. Investment of energy has to be compared with the output , Thus the need for a isolated power supply than the one for the car.
Hi ZFF - great work here. Did you ever see any promising results from your experiments with resonance and feeding the tank energy when it asks for it?
I think you are right, and it was proved that the resonance, produse, often by alterations in salt water, generates gas, flammable, we want to know, the economic way of doing this with electrolysis, to replace gasoline.
If you had a HUGE coil and capacitor in the resonance circuit, the your resonance might theoretically be as low as 1HZ. But.... would this actually help generating more HHO?
Resonance of the circuit is good - you save power while achieving higher amplitudes, but is not linked to water resonance.
Maybe there should be some adjustable coil or capacitor in the ''self resonaitng circuit'' so you could change the resonance region and search for the resonating area generating the most HHO.
@panzarw the idea is to build a water capacitor and by determining the correct frequency and voltage and timing the amount of gas produced would be more efficient than traditional electrolysis...tickling rather than prying apart the hydrogen, does that sound right?
The guy is right when he says "This idea is in the right direction".
I can answer all out of whack commentaries, I read here, I Remember any AC signal have a DC component , the signal to generate HHO , I assume should be in the range of KHz and have a DC component of 12 to 24 volts
The only way to compensate for the all variables affecting the process of resonance like impendance, temperature, geometry of the recipient, etc, and its variable nature is to control of de resonance frecuency.
Actually, I must correct myself. I think it would be more accurate to say that the "ground" point would be the points where the ball comes to a stop just before changing dirrection. My point is, in order for a ball, a pendulum, or current to oscillate they must change dirrection. Stan Meyer's use of the word "resonance" may have been a red herring.
Very interesting. I know Meyer refered to resonance frequently, but I have a problem with this. The voltage applied to a water capacitor must be D.C. not A.C. The voltage can not oscillate the way A.C. does, so how can you have resonance without oscillation?
@teslacult Take a rubber ball. Suspend it from a rubber band. Lift up just far enough to make the RB limp and let go. It resonates. Note the frequency.
Next allow it to hang at rest barely touching a table top. Repeat the drop test. Did it not resonate even though it did not pass through the zero resting point? What else might you note about the frequency?
@ZeroFossilFuel THe ball does however change direction as it bounces. Try to imagine the ball bouncing without a change in direction, it's not gonna happen. THe ground would actually be at the center point between the balls highest point and it's lowest.
I like it, let the water tell the power source when to feed it, maybe with the help of a little sound or as myers thought alittle light? good stuff here
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a stupid question ... why dynamic oscillation ? Maybe it can boost the current you can dump into a cell .. But it doesn't increase its efficency ! The amount of HHO produced is directly proportional to the current used. The Progress is just a way of transforming one form of Energy to another (with losses!) The Energy "stored" in the HHO Gas will never exceed the amount of Electrical Energy used to create that Gas.
Sorry for the crude formulation (thanks, character limit!)
The theory is that water will fracture in the presence of a very high voltage potential. The way to get there is through high impedance resonant tank oscillation. The problem is the conductivity of the water loads down the tank circuit. Corona dope on the plates to insulate them may be the answer. I will be trying that experiment later this Spring.
Yes I know what you're saying. Currents will be induced in both halves of the resonant tank circuit, capacitive and inductive. But the phase and amplitude of the two cancel at the resonant frequency where the signal is applied causing the currents to flow with very little energy input.
Yes ,but you can't create current from nowhere, it has to be powered by an powerful electrical energy source. Pulsing or any other technique doesn't change this law : energy input - losses = energy output. -> Energy input > Energy output. with a big maybe it could increase performance of the cell - but not efficency.
And what do you mean by resonance ? a HHO cell acts like a resistor, not like a capacitor...
a capacitor needs a non conductive dielectrum like air or oil.
A HHO cell with electrolyte does act more like a resistor. But, distilled water is an insulator. Look it up. It has a known dielectric constant that can be used in a resonant LC tank circuit if the tank is not short circuited by the low parallel resistance caused by current leakage through electrolyte.
i believe thers a possible misunderstanding about the type of resonance that meyer used.
its my belief he used a combination of mechanical resonance of the water.
this combined with electricity of just about any frequency will result in high HHO output at minimal input power since the resonating water pulls and pushes the water creating near vacuum where HHO is released verry easeyly
Meyer actually used a CD4046 phase locked loop IC to maintain resonance, against changing cell conditions. Nothing is going to change the fact that tap water shorts out the capacitor plates, stopping any chance of resonance and Hi Q. Maybe he varnished one set of capacitor tubes to insulate them ?. You would not see the varnish in the water .
@ 8:00 you need to insert the Kicker rectangle wave oscillator. Even though you assume the system should self-resonate, keep in mind that a real circuit will still need a slap or kick of impulse voltage every now and then in order to keep the system in the oscillating regime. Don't try to attain the ideal system; that won't happen. You MUST have the Kicker or Slapper, or whatever you want to call that which injects the impulse to defibrillate the oscillator system.
Hey, ZeroFF... you can save a large amount of trial-n-error tweaking the system by simulating the circuit, which includes the variable capacitor which is the electrical action of the fuel cell, by using PSpice circuit simulator software.
I hear there are freebie/shareware circuit simulator SW out there.
good explantion! my idea exactly, instead of phase i was going to monitor cell current at resonance, and use that to control the oscilator. Very informative explantion of the whole process. I wish you luck with making a working design, please make it open source!! beat the oil industries!
How about an update from ZFF? I read Myers work years ago and also believe the secret lies in resonance. Thanks you VERY much for sharing your work, knowledge and time to move HHO forward!
I'm still confused as to why the hell is everyone trying to reinvent the wheel....I got banned for posting on Zero's videos 2 years ago for a comment I made.... and this comment is still valid..after all this time...
"Just use closed loop control with a micro processor it will make your life so much easier...if you don't know how, find a college student to help there a plenty out there that would love to"
And yes Zero I do know a guy who has it working, and he don't want to share..
but because L has a little R and C's R is not infinite, at resonance, the paralel RLC has about 5 Ko.
In this cell, C's dielectric is water and high currents/low_voltages (RLC paralel schematic) won't breake it. In order to dissociate water U need to stress it, alias to extract electrons from their orbit and for that U need high potential (Volts). So that's why Meyer's SERIES design is better.
What do you think of the VIC being a parallel and serial RLC: the choke forms a parallel RLC circuit, and so at its self resonance frequency, it has maximum reactance - the reactance of the cell is very low so current will lag voltage, and power will get reflected because of Z mismatch and possibly creating standing waves. Don't know yet how the max reactance of the choke will let pass voltage towards the cell.
I Know Very little of the electronic aspects of the fuel cell and You explained the (jargon) very well so this non electronic saavy person understood the intent of your PWM and WFC Very well done on explaining it for the garage tinkerer to comprehend, KUDO's Zero
Zero - nice work. This is close too what Puharich was suggesting with the resistor, Very interesting. But it may be even more actionable. Thanks for the great work.
Over 7 months since you posted this vid and its still getting comments, over 400 so far and still counting. You may have set an hho utube record. My congrats!
Now I think I understood the part about a clock's workings but the rest just left my head spinning. Are we in overkill mode here since only a small amount of hho is required to supplement gasoline to obtain at its optimum burn ? Or are you shooting for pure hho ICE without any gasoline ?
Hey Zero, you have been a tremendous inspiration. I came upon the concept of natural cell resonance in one of my cell prototype tests. Took me a while to conclude that from all the information I've researched but now that I clearly see what the case really is, I am working on a super simplified system similar to what you talk about in this video.
Hi Zero: It is very simple to make this work. Get a BASIC STAMP. From the cell put a MOSFET, and control its gate voltage with a voltage divider from the stamp. At the junction of the MOSFET and the wire coming from the cell, put a diode and voltage divider going to the stamp. The program for the stamp is simple. When ever the voltage input is true, turn the MOSFET on, and when ever the voltage input is false, turn the MOSFET off. Thank you for your great work. 73's
I can understand skepticism but this video is great and I think you are onto something really big. The "intellectual" terrorism and downright meanness of some people in this culture is just plain disgusting. They make me want to puke. How weak, insecure, and pitiful they are shows through their vain attempt to be macho men. Keep up the beautiful work. It is appreciated...
@offgrid2010 Well put. Many of the detractors in this world follow on the principles and laws that Corporate sponsored prostitutes (supposed scientists, doctors etc.) have laid down previously for their masters. When I was dying, I researched all that I could and I reversed the shut down of my body and now I am healthy and far from dying. I had tests performed that I instigated. Had I listened to doctors and followed the established law and principles they follow, I would now be dead.
@wikblom100 My treating doctor echoed the thoughts of my specialist doctors by saying that people like me who are untrained in the ridgid disciplines of Science and accedemia are 'FREE TO THINK'. I was so enthused I wrote a paper which I presented to the Commonwealth Parliament of Australia titled 'Linoleic and Arachidonic (Omega 6) Acid Overdose Toxicity in Australian Diet And Other Matters Of Public Importance July 29, 2009' Follow your Dreams and intuition.
All conditions simplified.....given ambient earth conditions, any vessel, and any amount of naturally occurring water, what are the molecular reactions that take place within the liquid at rest? When one drop of water separates from another due to gravity overcoming the molecular bonds how much energy is released and how is it calculated?
Stan meyers did say that no laws of physics were being broken , so the energy had to come from some where....please try and follow me on this one thanks
Only trying to help sorry for hijacking your thread please look up Deuterium on wikipidia you'll see it has one proton (+) and one neutron , look at the energy value for it , and its abundunce in nature ? Could this helps power the vic matrix hence little voltage applied lots of voltage when at resonance? Has anyone tryed testing for electron leakage at resonance around the outside of there chamber?
Do we all understand the principles behind a bifilar choke ?
This DC pulses may combine harmonically to provide energy at high frequencies. This energy causes ultrasonic mechanical effects in the metals of the device which may then help control bubble size through sonic cavitation. Complex electronic circuits are interesting but generally misleading and do not demonstrate any "new" or "free" energy just ways to route existing energy streams. Magic black boxes are not the answer.
The Dc is induced from the primary which is also an electro-magnet hence the frequency doubling affect, positive pulse,magnetic pulse,gap,positve pulse, magnetic pulse , gap is the pulse train you want for step charging your chamber . Adjustable pulse freq,pulse width,amplitude(voltage) and timing over the gap when everything is off is needed by your power management module , I stick to my theory that Stan Meyer was an honest and good person and was not a fraud!
...Except that on a quantum level, the zero-point energy (of electrons in the ionic bond) can also be manipulated through electromagnetic cavitation. The complexity comes from having to mechanically harmonize the electrodes, the H2O bonds, and also electromagnetically harmonize the electron cloud at the molecular bond sites. Think of the magic signal as an eigenvector of electrons in H2O and H2 and O2 plus hitting all the mechanical resonances.
... um ... should this ever work, you would certainly be mocking yourself. Not that you should worry, but proving/disproving what I suggested is really a computation problem. Given Moore's Law I think we could come up with a bet we could settle on a certain date if you wanted to make it interesting.
I posted an earlier comment about mechanical or ultrasonic resonance. This was based on the schematic found somewhere in the referenced documentation ( I can not find it again) for an electronic resonator circuit with three tuned loops. the lowest frequency was @ 10.5 KHz the next two were integral multiples of the first. continued...
I'm honored that this video is the only one you have added to your favorites. Apparently you do have it all figured out. You've completely hijacked this thread and produced nothing but words.
Hi just a quick bit of info if you look at the picture on the front of stan's twin plate test chamber you can clearly see the knob of the dial that tunes the inductor!!
the water creates its own power from the hydrogen and hydroxyl ions as the polar magnetic pulse hit them, the dc current is to charge the circuit and create the block to stop electron flow , so that the ions can charge the water
hope you've all downloaded the independant test evaluation report. File size 88.1 mb take a while to complete contains reports , leters , patent applications , workings diagrams, picture of original equipment ect ,
worth a look . It is as i though dc voltage is applied in constant dc form and pulsed dc form at the same time, it says so on one of his working drawings, food for thought !
Your circuit indeed is a charge pump and the voltage increases over the cell until discharge. But, it by no means tunes itself. It will function at any frequency.
How can you do a feedback loop to tune the frequency to match the whatever resonance?
What kind of oscillator it must be? Voltage controlled? I don't think that will work, what tells that it has hit the resonance? I cant do this with traditional analog only circuit, no skills enough, can you?
What a concept! The betterment of mankind! I have been usinf a fixed frequency, and living with the inefficiencies, that does pretty well. Remember also, DC will still do the job in an enviroment where there is connection to the grid. My results are that I have run HHO as a suppliment on my engine. Running pure HHO has a few bugs to be fixed, but I see it as likely to do.
Good Job, I will watch you closely, so not to reinvent the wheel!
oooyess! Exactly my thought, automatic self-finding freq generator. Why force it, when it (cell) can do all that complex freq adjustments all by itself.. hehe, i just did not figure it out no matter how i tried. I think the "clock pendulum model" really made it click for me!
So did it work ? Any new schematic that i can try out ?
For what its worth, this is probably a load of 'horse hockey', but I ran across a posting from someone claiming to have used resonant frequency for creating hydroxy gas as a variant of a replication of the Meyers process.
Posted to Yahoo Tech Groups (watercar) on June 3, 2004 @ 9:39PM ET under the subject: "Meyer Experiment Recap".
He gives a lot of information on how to replicate the resonant frequency splitting of water.
Might be real, might be BS, but thought I would mention it.
My 2 cents. If the resonant Freq. is modified by the presence of gas within the water, then the device is dependent on electric resonance not molecular nor atomic resonance. If this is the case then the purpose of electric resonance is to achieve voltage doubling with the diode/choke combination, nothing more but this makes resonance a secondary problem. The main problem would be to limit current at some critical high breakdown voltage if this actually performs the expected overunity COP
A tank circuit doesn't give you out more energy than you put in. It just shunts ebergy back and forth from the inductor to the capacitor and vice-versa.
BREAKDOWN: When electrons are accelerated to high velocity by the electric field at the [spark gap] and produce other free electrons by ionization collision with atoms. These free electrons are similarly accelerated by the field and in turn cause other ionizations. The avalanche process leads to a very large current.
Glad to see the thought process evolve into Quantum mechanics. This is IMHO what it is all about. This, one has to understand to evolve the process to split the water molecule efficiently. Great thoughts and understanding.
Look at all the people you got to think about this. OK here is another theory: Couple a peak detector to the cell (See Wikipedia). Then use the signal from that to trigger an electronic oscillator connected to the cell. The cell will remain in constant resonance unaffected by the changing capacitance due to the varied gas production. The only thing I can't figure is how to reset the peak detector automatically at a fast enough rate. I am not an electronics guy. Maybe you can answer that one.
PHOTOIONIZATION: The ionization of of a gas by light or other electromagnetic radiation; the photons must possess enough energy to detach one or more outer electrons from the gas atoms.
PHOTOCONDUCTION: The absorption of EMR by electrons in matter whereby the electrons are brought to the range of energy levels at which they move freely to conduct electricity.
To those of you who are doing scientific research on Gray's patents, congratulations, you are working on the actual generation of electrical power based on Quantum Physics. Here are some areas that need consideration;
BREMSSTRAIILUNG: "breaking radiation" The radiation emitted by electrons slowed down in matter. [free electrons entering a steel high-voltage anode] [Bunching]
PAIR PRODUCTION: The formation of a positron and an electron when electromagnetic energy interacts with matter.
The invention also includes a means for sensing the occurrence of a resonant condition in the water capacitor/resonant cavity, which when a ferromagnetic or electromagnetic core is used, may be a pickup coil on the transformer core. The sensing means is interconnected to a scanning circuit and a phase lock loop circuit, whereby the pulsing frequency to the primary coil of the transformer is maintained at a sensed frequency corresponding to a resonant condition in the water capacitor.
A Control and Driver Circuit for a Hydrogen Gas Fuel Producing Cell theres circuit diagrams of all components including the resonance scanning circuit
He was demonstrating hydrogen gas production at milliamp and kilovolt levels.
"The most remarkable observation is that the WFC and all its metal pipework remained
quite cold to the touch, even after more than twenty minutes of operation. The splitting
mechanism clearly evolves little heat in sharp contrast to electrolysis where the electrolyte warms up quickly." extract from Electronics World & Wireless World ( January 1991)
Also would using a magnetic reed switch to arc the surge to lower voltage , thus creating overunity within the closed loop of the capacitor circuit ? Similar to E V Grays idea?
Each choke consist's of a coil, capacitor and resistor , on choke on the negative side has metal slider (like variable transformer) to fine tune the 2 coils to allow for impurity's in the water . the caps act as power for the chokes and vice versa the resistor must be to stop you frying the caps not sure?
When the hydrogen and oxygen molecules are released as inerts gas's , the electrons left behind go the the electrodes hence the jump in volts (surge) on resonance. Am i right? Meyers chamber was multi layered to stop the electrons escaping, the inductors bifilar or singular were used to contain the charge at the plates.
Try a different plate design that allows for the bubbles to rise without interfering with the "dielectric zone". This could be wires strung back and forth. Paralel them to handle the amperage. I am not sure if the bubble chooses to form on the negative or the positive. If it chooses one or the other that would be the wire that is offset to the bottom. This would leave the "dielectric zone" kitty corner and consistant.
Consider mechanical resonance caused by molecular hysteresis at ultrasonic frequencies above 40KHz as a method to control bubble size and therefore interplate capacitance. Perform the experiment in an insulated ultrasonic parts cleaner. Sonic cavitation may play a role in HHO production.
Theory " the pulse train run's through the toroid to earth, the magnetic pulse which follows as the toroid discharges crosses to secondary tranformer thus charging the circuit with electromagnetic discharge this charge will only pass through the inductor one way trapping it in the chamber , the capacitors after the inducor but before the chamber act as storage for the charge to make sure the inductors don't discharge and therefore hold there resistance? "
Can anyone tell me why the gated pulse feed going into the first toroidal coil goes to earth? How do the volts cross to the secondary coil? How does a magnetic coupling work?
its old world magic: im not being sarcastic.... you will have to do a little research into l/c tank circuits. resonance is just a joint venture of a capacitor charging a coil, and the coil returning the favor to the capacitor. In the closed loop of the circuit, it theoritacally exceeds laws of physics; the current measured to the capacitor, add'd to the current in the inductor will excceed the current supplied to the circuit
On a similar not I noticed that when a stun gun with a good unidirectional pulse is hooked to ground the electric output gets so high that is shock the user through the handle; even standing on a rubber mat. There is a phenomenon with earth grounds.
Wanted to share the modification I made to my bubbler. (as background, id blown the top apart of the old one twice in 1 week).. Anyway, i cut the bottom 4 inches of the bubbler (its made of 1 1/2 inch pvc) and slipped a piece of a old bike innertube over it, and then reinserted the end piece. refd the entire unit with water. now when I get a flashback, it will just force the entire volume of water into the rubber, then recover itself!
Hey mate your on the right track. i looked at meyers final patent with a very very confusing block diagram. he included a modual for cell feed back. the patent included what seemed to be accurate schematics, but no values on the components. ths could be a starting platform for someone alot smarted then me. i have found accurate schematics with values to meyers bench testing set up and am builing his black box as you read this.
Hi has anyone read anything about edwin v gray? Something about splitting the positive back? is it posible to harness the surge and use it? He turned 6 Volts into 3 KV , lower the voltage and pulse it?
After reading many of the posts it almost seems that finding a way to trigger a mist of water to explode in the combustion chamber using high voltage and some hho would generate a steam engine? The Japanese are doing this now.
i was thinking about this last night and was saying to my self why are we forcing a freq when we can just get a reading from the cell and real time match it .i believe this is certainly the correct road .i also beleive the solution is even easier still.
as this video unfolded in front of me i had a rise of emotion and yeld out YES YES YES. I am very happy to have experienced this unfold.cheers to you fossy the world will just get better from now on!
Well you should look at your own answer. Hydrogen still has 3 times the amount of energy per kg than that of gasoline. An at that we are not talking about monatomic HHO.
...(cont'd) But when resonance is present, they may be aligning to the plates by spin, and to conserve energy of their rotations a short circuit occurs that breaks bonds and produces gas.
If we have one molecule of water with 2 hydrogen atoms each sharing an electron to for a covalent bond, what happens if we remove just one of those electrons?? Will the covalent bond still exist??
I am starting to ask myself. Self "is resonance the key to Meyers WFC". I think that the step-charge signal at the proper voltage is the key. However we get there. The problem with that is feeding that signal into basically a direct short of the WFC. Impedance matching??
Not ash, perfect storage...open the door with combination, not force and you have it.
Water is crystalline, it is a dynamically changing crystal. If you consider the xtal with two inverting gates you get a stable freq. but with water you get?
with electro you are changing the dynamics. without water is slightly different in its responses. water has properties of all these cap, diode, resistor, crystal, together.
thinking in singular terms. not one response from water but several. How do we read waters reactions to our input?Production of HHO helps but I think we need more feedback...
I agree with you almost totally. Water is very dynamic and has those properties you mention. They do and are dealt with. So many things affect the dynamics of it all. Resistance, capacitance, impedance, current flow, leakage, frequency, and voltage. A circuit has to be designed to deal with them. It is not an insurmountable task. It is done everyday in different electronic circuits. BUT the goal is to break the covalent bond of the water molecule with the least amount of power consumed.
The one thing that does not change is the water molecule made up of 2 hydrogen atoms with one electron each and one oxygen atom with eight electrons with 6 in it outer orbit wanting to share the two from the hydrogen atom to form a covalent bond. This is always the same. So if you look at what needs to be done this is always the same, would you agree?
Agreed! I think that is the basis. However I am looking at this in terms of sequential interactions. Meyers made the comment that he noticed most of the production took place in the absence of any electrical input. like a trigger.
It feels to me that since we do not know all the forms energy can take, is it possible that there is a reaction between water, (electrolyte?), plates, and potential energy that cause some other form of energy that then causes the separation of the covalent bonds?
Electrons spin on their axis as they circle a nucleus, and have a tendency for a + or - spin. There is energy in the spin, and there may be a change of spin direction to conserve the spin energy under certain conditions. There is also EV energy in electron orbits. It seems to me that brute amps my be pushing electrons to outside orbits, where they may collide as they are pulled in close proximity by their nucleus to the charged plate.
I don't know. It's like sending a TCP/IP packet to a specific address or a UDP multicast packet and saying "anyone tuned in may listen and respond. Both take the same resources to create but the result is much different.
In your example all I think you're doing is releasing more stored potential energy with one command vs. another.
Which is NOT to say I think your chorusing theory is invalid. It made my head explode too. All I can say is try it.
Would you check out my theory animation of a "Chorusing Device"?
The name "Chorusing" comes from my experience in choir. A choir director can cue one voice and get 'X' amount of sound, then cue all 250 voices and get much more sound energy without any additional input than was required to cue a single voice.
Likewise I believe that the adjacent magnets are being influenced without being "pushed".
Tap the flux change in all the coils in the fields and you get over-unity. Simple, No?
I was talking about the collapse of the Tacoma Narrows bridge in 1940. It was not destroyed by a earthquake, hurricane or tornado. It was brought down by the simple forces of wind.
If you search elsewhere on youtube there are videos of the bridges demise.
It turned out that the wind had pulsed at the right frequency to set up a sympathetic wave in the bridge structure that caused the structural failure of the bridge. If I remember correctly the winds were only around 30-40 mph. The bridge was designed properly for much more severe winds, but in a nonsympathetic frequency. I first learned of this in my physics course in college and then again in structural systems in architecture.
So why can't the same thing happen at the atomic level?
Use a vco or a sweep generator or a manualy variable sig gen. I don't know why no one will sweep their cell with a sig gen, comparator and a pulse amp controlled with a blanking circuit for the delay. I think it's a big crock and refuse to do it. It seems simple as far as testing.
ANSWER:
When you catch "resonnance" you get peaks on your volt graph.
But your Voltmeter is not precise enough to read those fast & high peaks it so he give you lower energy consumption.
In fact its just a big precision reading error.
Sorry everyone...
mavixp 3 weeks ago
WHY didint Myers know that if he keep his secret he wouldve died..
lie many others before him !
John Kanzius made a feqency to split water .. but HOW.. he died too !
frank0067 2 months ago
If you do a Google image search for (generating ramp wave)
some schematic circuit diagrams come out. What you want is one where you can gate the ramp voltage to off as soon as the water capacitor seems to achieve breakdown whilst the gas is being produced. Some of the circuits use 555 timers, and others use square waves input into an integrator OP AMP circuit. Some sites with this have virus java script on them, so temporarily turn that off in your browser while grabbing the images. Good luck.
oldspammer 8 months ago
Direct connection oscillator would work to make resonance, but having the transformer in the energy pump part of the circuit shall shift the phase of the applied energy & you will not get "proper" resonance.
P. Lindemann said the stepped ramp of voltage of the VIC was to only provide nearly / exactly the water capacitor's breakdown voltage then wait for bubbles to clear. So detecting water cap breakdown event, then waiting for bubbles to clear are the "true" objectives according to P. Lindemann?
oldspammer 8 months ago
Good job...hope you get back to this soon :-) It would be nice one day for some one to finally figure out how to stay in resonance.
moffett8 8 months ago
has anyone tried High-temperature electrolysis, hte lookit up in wikipedia
High temperature electrolysis is more efficient economically than traditional room-temperature electrolysis because some of the energy is supplied as heat, which is cheaper than electricity, and because the electrolysis reaction is more efficient at higher temperatures
At 100°C, 350 megajoules of thermal energy are required (41% efficient). At 850°C, 225 megajoules are required (64% efficient).
eloid777 8 months ago
@eloid777 also coupling the High-temperature electrolysis ie 90-100c with resonance maybe the key
eloid777 8 months ago
good explaination, has someone tried to resonate plane distiled water with no plates or electrolyte, simular to the video on youtube burning salt water....ie
Salt Water into Fuel
eloid777 8 months ago
I'm not an electrician, but you seem to be able to explain this stuff so well, that even a lay man such as myself can understand the direction you want this to go. I think you are really onto something with letting it adjust it's own frequency. All you need do now is get it to work with multiple cells in series and you will have it down pat. Keep up the good work.
pathosbedlam 9 months ago
You seem to have made a very hard thing to solve simple. Have you made a any progress on the design.
Philip
moffett8 9 months ago
Meyer did not endorse resonance, he used it to confuse people as crazy as that sounds. He made pump z waves, esp. with his best and final invention the hho injector. All you need are 3 waves of 8x diff freq' each, the final 'carried' wave becomes a pump z wave of ultra high potential, especially if you coat your plates with cu/si02 lattice grown Resonance is turning your metal into a capacitor as you seem to say. For hho inj. U need a 40kv .03amp mosfet with 2micron diamond coating.
mikefromspace 1 year ago
@mikefromspace My theory on Meyers use of resonance has changed since this video. Stan did not use caustic electrolyte. Distilled water is an insulating dielectric. The only way to induce a current through an insulating dielectric is with resonance using SERIES RLC, just as he describes. It's no more or less efficient at producing HHO than by using electrolytes. What it IS is safer and easier to maintain.
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
AND, you're right. It's a much smaller piece of the puzzle than some have been led to believe. The real magic took place in the injectors.
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
@ZeroFossilFuel Okay, gotcha, but his final patent the hho injector required water mist sprayed between an anode and electrode moving current in the form of a pump z wave at 10 to 30khz at up to 50kv using a 5nanosecond response time 1000Watt Mosfet, and it produced hundreds of h.p. from a mere 100watt average output (since the 1000W was only running a fraction of the time.) Anyway I guess you understand that resonance does not happen through a choking diode.
mikefromspace 1 year ago
Meyer used tap water, not 55 MOhm water.
PattayaPhysics 1 year ago
just get a phase lock loop circuit. it will find the perfect resonance for you. it doesn't matter what the resonance is, and u dont need to know.
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perplexfraction 1 year ago
Thanks for these thoughts. We are also trying to seek the holy grail and this is a good approach. Thanks ian Nutech
joefanatics 1 year ago
well excuse the fuck out of me no need to get so offensive i was just wondering thats all!
crafter2u 1 year ago
what happened, you gave up?
crafter2u 1 year ago
@crafter2u You people seem to forget. I am one guy, completely unfunded except for Google Adsense. If I see $20/month in donations, that's a lot. So thank goodness for Google. I still work a job which places high demands on my time. I am still raising a family, maintaining a home, maintaining cars, struggling to find spare time to work on alternative energy projects.
SO, IF YOU PRESUME TO DICTATE HOW I SHOULD SPEND MY TIME, THEN FUND MY RESEARCH SO I CAN QUIT THE DAY JOB! ELSE SHUT THE HELL UP!
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago 4
@ZeroFossilFuel A little too harsh no?
a2zhandi 3 months ago
L and C reach an equalibrium. all the C doesnt have to come from the cell. so frequency of pulsed dc ....not sure if it ever resonates. yes i am quite sure it will not ever resonate. adjustible L and adjustable C and the cell has both R and C big whoopee...it can be in a circuit and .....well the centerline of the pulses could be 1.8 volts and ac could float at 1.8 volts and then pulsed dc would become ac?
earthhydro 1 year ago
If you look at my channel You will see every time that I don't share too much, because not to many people can grasp the concept of constant variables involved, but you are the first person that can actually put a thought together that match the very basics of the resonance. I say that I disagree with every body when they say that HHO Resonance need a very low input. Investment of energy has to be compared with the output , Thus the need for a isolated power supply than the one for the car.
Migueldeservantes 1 year ago
Hi ZFF - great work here. Did you ever see any promising results from your experiments with resonance and feeding the tank energy when it asks for it?
taylorgrey2004 1 year ago
I think you are right, and it was proved that the resonance, produse, often by alterations in salt water, generates gas, flammable, we want to know, the economic way of doing this with electrolysis, to replace gasoline.
AStueleccion 1 year ago
Am... There are two resonances:
-Resonance of the circuit
-Resonance of water muleculas
I think your suggestion is only about resonance of the circuit and is not necesarelly linked to the resonance of the water.
Meyer was also skipping few pulses so the bubles could fly away - so the next pulse had more impact while saving electricity at the same time.
dejanreh 1 year ago
@dejanreh
If you had a HUGE coil and capacitor in the resonance circuit, the your resonance might theoretically be as low as 1HZ. But.... would this actually help generating more HHO?
Resonance of the circuit is good - you save power while achieving higher amplitudes, but is not linked to water resonance.
Maybe there should be some adjustable coil or capacitor in the ''self resonaitng circuit'' so you could change the resonance region and search for the resonating area generating the most HHO.
dejanreh 1 year ago
Please spec that feedback amp. thanx Milton
babblake1 1 year ago
Hi there, i saw this via accident but i was wonder about this for a long time.
can you tell me this with laymans terms please?
i have a degree in electric and some knowledge in physics but just usually i introduce my self to these new experiment through youtube.
I wish i could help you some how for the advance your trials to success.
panzarw 1 year ago
@panzarw the idea is to build a water capacitor and by determining the correct frequency and voltage and timing the amount of gas produced would be more efficient than traditional electrolysis...tickling rather than prying apart the hydrogen, does that sound right?
Vercingetorix1313 1 year ago
so for god sake man make one
crafter2u 1 year ago
The guy is right when he says "This idea is in the right direction".
I can answer all out of whack commentaries, I read here, I Remember any AC signal have a DC component , the signal to generate HHO , I assume should be in the range of KHz and have a DC component of 12 to 24 volts
The only way to compensate for the all variables affecting the process of resonance like impendance, temperature, geometry of the recipient, etc, and its variable nature is to control of de resonance frecuency.
ExcaliburBrief 1 year ago
when one finds the 'holy grail' they must decide what to do with it. To hold it close and produce the benefits....to let it go and change reality.
Vercingetorix1313 1 year ago
Could you send this "feed back" from the cell into a Toroid, and let the Toroid amplify the resonant frequency that is building up in the cell?
simnimbus 1 year ago
Have you tested this circut? does it work?
xsports49 1 year ago
Thats a really good idea?? have you tested it yet?
xsports49 1 year ago
Finnally got a resonant effect.
teslacult 1 year ago
I finnally achieved a "resonant" effect. The resonant action is the product of the coil induction and water resistance. Check out my latest video:
teslacult 1 year ago
Actually, I must correct myself. I think it would be more accurate to say that the "ground" point would be the points where the ball comes to a stop just before changing dirrection. My point is, in order for a ball, a pendulum, or current to oscillate they must change dirrection. Stan Meyer's use of the word "resonance" may have been a red herring.
teslacult 1 year ago
Very interesting. I know Meyer refered to resonance frequently, but I have a problem with this. The voltage applied to a water capacitor must be D.C. not A.C. The voltage can not oscillate the way A.C. does, so how can you have resonance without oscillation?
teslacult 1 year ago
@teslacult - Simple. AC waveform with a DC bias offset.
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
@ZeroFossilFuel Still, if the voltage potential doesn't pass beyond ground, I still can't see how resonant action can occur.
teslacult 1 year ago
@teslacult Take a rubber ball. Suspend it from a rubber band. Lift up just far enough to make the RB limp and let go. It resonates. Note the frequency.
Next allow it to hang at rest barely touching a table top. Repeat the drop test. Did it not resonate even though it did not pass through the zero resting point? What else might you note about the frequency?
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
@ZeroFossilFuel THe ball does however change direction as it bounces. Try to imagine the ball bouncing without a change in direction, it's not gonna happen. THe ground would actually be at the center point between the balls highest point and it's lowest.
teslacult 1 year ago
I like it, let the water tell the power source when to feed it, maybe with the help of a little sound or as myers thought alittle light? good stuff here
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henrykay01 1 year ago
a stupid question ... why dynamic oscillation ? Maybe it can boost the current you can dump into a cell .. But it doesn't increase its efficency ! The amount of HHO produced is directly proportional to the current used. The Progress is just a way of transforming one form of Energy to another (with losses!) The Energy "stored" in the HHO Gas will never exceed the amount of Electrical Energy used to create that Gas.
Sorry for the crude formulation (thanks, character limit!)
RoteKampfSocke 1 year ago
The theory is that water will fracture in the presence of a very high voltage potential. The way to get there is through high impedance resonant tank oscillation. The problem is the conductivity of the water loads down the tank circuit. Corona dope on the plates to insulate them may be the answer. I will be trying that experiment later this Spring.
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
@ZeroFossilFuel
Thank you for your quick answer, but my question is not completely answered. But thanks anyway.
RoteKampfSocke 1 year ago
Yes I know what you're saying. Currents will be induced in both halves of the resonant tank circuit, capacitive and inductive. But the phase and amplitude of the two cancel at the resonant frequency where the signal is applied causing the currents to flow with very little energy input.
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
Yes ,but you can't create current from nowhere, it has to be powered by an powerful electrical energy source. Pulsing or any other technique doesn't change this law : energy input - losses = energy output. -> Energy input > Energy output. with a big maybe it could increase performance of the cell - but not efficency.
And what do you mean by resonance ? a HHO cell acts like a resistor, not like a capacitor...
a capacitor needs a non conductive dielectrum like air or oil.
RoteKampfSocke 1 year ago
A HHO cell with electrolyte does act more like a resistor. But, distilled water is an insulator. Look it up. It has a known dielectric constant that can be used in a resonant LC tank circuit if the tank is not short circuited by the low parallel resistance caused by current leakage through electrolyte.
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
@ZeroFossilFuel
But if you use distilled water ... what is the point ? then you are preventing current from flowing....
RoteKampfSocke 1 year ago
@RoteKampfSocke That's because he's trying to use a different mode of HHO production, not the DC current currently commonly used.
cactus445566 1 year ago
@RoteKampfSocke it acts like a resistor,
it acts like a capacitor,
it acts like a battery,
it act like a short circuit.
distilled water is a insulator and resistor, and dielectric fluid.
pulsing changes the magnetic laws somehow
irondmax 1 year ago
i believe thers a possible misunderstanding about the type of resonance that meyer used.
its my belief he used a combination of mechanical resonance of the water.
this combined with electricity of just about any frequency will result in high HHO output at minimal input power since the resonating water pulls and pushes the water creating near vacuum where HHO is released verry easeyly
Atimar01 2 years ago
Meyer actually used a CD4046 phase locked loop IC to maintain resonance, against changing cell conditions. Nothing is going to change the fact that tap water shorts out the capacitor plates, stopping any chance of resonance and Hi Q. Maybe he varnished one set of capacitor tubes to insulate them ?. You would not see the varnish in the water .
moonshadowone 2 years ago
@moonshadowone
I'm using osmosis water in my cell.
tonsostuff 2 years ago
is it possible to use an bedini instead to seat manually a resonant freq.?
TheIronStark 1 year ago
Have a look at this
freepatentsonline com patent no. 4356425
There some nice drawings in the pdf
raphenia1 2 years ago
Hi this is pretty good too. Not sure about the end statement. Are you running for office.
On a guitar you have self tuning heads.
I have self tuning electrodes.
If the target is moving, move with it.
raphenia1 2 years ago
@ 8:00 you need to insert the Kicker rectangle wave oscillator. Even though you assume the system should self-resonate, keep in mind that a real circuit will still need a slap or kick of impulse voltage every now and then in order to keep the system in the oscillating regime. Don't try to attain the ideal system; that won't happen. You MUST have the Kicker or Slapper, or whatever you want to call that which injects the impulse to defibrillate the oscillator system.
DancingSpiderman 2 years ago
Hey, ZeroFF... you can save a large amount of trial-n-error tweaking the system by simulating the circuit, which includes the variable capacitor which is the electrical action of the fuel cell, by using PSpice circuit simulator software.
I hear there are freebie/shareware circuit simulator SW out there.
DancingSpiderman 2 years ago
Thanks. I hope they dont kill you too.
analyzingfunny 2 years ago
good explantion! my idea exactly, instead of phase i was going to monitor cell current at resonance, and use that to control the oscilator. Very informative explantion of the whole process. I wish you luck with making a working design, please make it open source!! beat the oil industries!
kaboooom2000uk 2 years ago
How about an update from ZFF? I read Myers work years ago and also believe the secret lies in resonance. Thanks you VERY much for sharing your work, knowledge and time to move HHO forward!
InHiGear 2 years ago
Thank you very much for the video.
oducip 2 years ago
I'm still confused as to why the hell is everyone trying to reinvent the wheel....I got banned for posting on Zero's videos 2 years ago for a comment I made.... and this comment is still valid..after all this time...
"Just use closed loop control with a micro processor it will make your life so much easier...if you don't know how, find a college student to help there a plenty out there that would love to"
And yes Zero I do know a guy who has it working, and he don't want to share..
Don't ban me.
TESLAZPF 2 years ago
Nicola Tesla Would be proud of this video
casperghozd 2 years ago
I was not aware that Meyer's work was released into the public domain !
So, how many successful replications ?
lesotl 2 years ago
At the min 4:16, when a RLC paralel is presented you say:
At the resonance (in that RLC paralel ) Voltage spykes
and current falls off sharply.
Wrong!
In a paralel RLC, at the resonance, the current flowing
through the C or L is Q times higher than the current
absorbed from the generator.
It's called "the currents resonance"
In a series RLC, at the resonance, the volage measured on the L or C is Q times higher than the generator-voltage.
It is called "the voltage resonance"
lesotl 2 years ago
doesnt a parallel RLC circuit have infinite impedance at resonance? aka stop band, so no current and no voltage.
but yes current through C and L, but cancelling.
crippled82 2 years ago
correct !
but because L has a little R and C's R is not infinite, at resonance, the paralel RLC has about 5 Ko.
In this cell, C's dielectric is water and high currents/low_voltages (RLC paralel schematic) won't breake it. In order to dissociate water U need to stress it, alias to extract electrons from their orbit and for that U need high potential (Volts). So that's why Meyer's SERIES design is better.
lesotl 2 years ago
What do you think of the VIC being a parallel and serial RLC: the choke forms a parallel RLC circuit, and so at its self resonance frequency, it has maximum reactance - the reactance of the cell is very low so current will lag voltage, and power will get reflected because of Z mismatch and possibly creating standing waves. Don't know yet how the max reactance of the choke will let pass voltage towards the cell.
crippled82 2 years ago
Wary about standing waves (due to unmatched Generators Z >> Transmissions line Z >> Consumers Z ..) only if long transmission lines are used.
In this video clip, a simple LC is feed by a LOW_output_impedance_MOSFET_Power_signal_generator (pulse-shape controlled; Zout is pure resistive).
There are neither standing waves nor Z mismatch if the connecting wires are shorter than 60m.
Anyway, THE MAIN ISSUE is: PARALLEL vs SERIES. And I think Meyers series approach is THE ONE..
Ask me why.. :)
lesotl 2 years ago
Why? ;)
How can it reach 'unlimited' voltage?
Perhaps Meyer's bifilar wound coil can be seen as a transmission line, see fig 8-3b of the techbrief: 2 parallel wires.
Do you think the self resonance freq of the choke is important in the vic?
crippled82 2 years ago
Very well explained!
Thank you ZeroFossilFuel
GeeBeeElectronics 2 years ago
I Know Very little of the electronic aspects of the fuel cell and You explained the (jargon) very well so this non electronic saavy person understood the intent of your PWM and WFC Very well done on explaining it for the garage tinkerer to comprehend, KUDO's Zero
Thanx again, Ne'Ven
neven01 2 years ago
Zero - nice work. This is close too what Puharich was suggesting with the resistor, Very interesting. But it may be even more actionable. Thanks for the great work.
whiterican74 2 years ago
so howd this go?
Rufe0 3 years ago
Over 7 months since you posted this vid and its still getting comments, over 400 so far and still counting. You may have set an hho utube record. My congrats!
Now I think I understood the part about a clock's workings but the rest just left my head spinning. Are we in overkill mode here since only a small amount of hho is required to supplement gasoline to obtain at its optimum burn ? Or are you shooting for pure hho ICE without any gasoline ?
This vid is great but I still have a headache.
GeorgeArroyoGrandeCA 3 years ago
Hey Zero, you have been a tremendous inspiration. I came upon the concept of natural cell resonance in one of my cell prototype tests. Took me a while to conclude that from all the information I've researched but now that I clearly see what the case really is, I am working on a super simplified system similar to what you talk about in this video.
RagingCaveman 3 years ago
Hi Zero: It is very simple to make this work. Get a BASIC STAMP. From the cell put a MOSFET, and control its gate voltage with a voltage divider from the stamp. At the junction of the MOSFET and the wire coming from the cell, put a diode and voltage divider going to the stamp. The program for the stamp is simple. When ever the voltage input is true, turn the MOSFET on, and when ever the voltage input is false, turn the MOSFET off. Thank you for your great work. 73's
billmorgan914 3 years ago
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gera2k 3 years ago
I can understand skepticism but this video is great and I think you are onto something really big. The "intellectual" terrorism and downright meanness of some people in this culture is just plain disgusting. They make me want to puke. How weak, insecure, and pitiful they are shows through their vain attempt to be macho men. Keep up the beautiful work. It is appreciated...
offgrid2010 3 years ago 8
@offgrid2010 Well put. Many of the detractors in this world follow on the principles and laws that Corporate sponsored prostitutes (supposed scientists, doctors etc.) have laid down previously for their masters. When I was dying, I researched all that I could and I reversed the shut down of my body and now I am healthy and far from dying. I had tests performed that I instigated. Had I listened to doctors and followed the established law and principles they follow, I would now be dead.
wikblom100 1 year ago
@wikblom100 My treating doctor echoed the thoughts of my specialist doctors by saying that people like me who are untrained in the ridgid disciplines of Science and accedemia are 'FREE TO THINK'. I was so enthused I wrote a paper which I presented to the Commonwealth Parliament of Australia titled 'Linoleic and Arachidonic (Omega 6) Acid Overdose Toxicity in Australian Diet And Other Matters Of Public Importance July 29, 2009' Follow your Dreams and intuition.
Rules are only a guide at best
wikblom100 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I read to my kids in this tone. c'mon Z. Read to the big people. =)
lazzer408 3 years ago
All conditions simplified.....given ambient earth conditions, any vessel, and any amount of naturally occurring water, what are the molecular reactions that take place within the liquid at rest? When one drop of water separates from another due to gravity overcoming the molecular bonds how much energy is released and how is it calculated?
russellwooten 3 years ago
On earth, gravity never exceeds the energy of the molecular bond of water. Maybe what you're talking about is cohesion?
Read Wikipedia on "Laws of Thermodynamics."
aphor 3 years ago
No argument to what your saying. I can tell your reading. :P
lazzer408 3 years ago
Stan meyers did say that no laws of physics were being broken , so the energy had to come from some where....please try and follow me on this one thanks
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Only trying to help sorry for hijacking your thread please look up Deuterium on wikipidia you'll see it has one proton (+) and one neutron , look at the energy value for it , and its abundunce in nature ? Could this helps power the vic matrix hence little voltage applied lots of voltage when at resonance? Has anyone tryed testing for electron leakage at resonance around the outside of there chamber?
Do we all understand the principles behind a bifilar choke ?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
This DC pulses may combine harmonically to provide energy at high frequencies. This energy causes ultrasonic mechanical effects in the metals of the device which may then help control bubble size through sonic cavitation. Complex electronic circuits are interesting but generally misleading and do not demonstrate any "new" or "free" energy just ways to route existing energy streams. Magic black boxes are not the answer.
yakitatenergy 3 years ago
The Dc is induced from the primary which is also an electro-magnet hence the frequency doubling affect, positive pulse,magnetic pulse,gap,positve pulse, magnetic pulse , gap is the pulse train you want for step charging your chamber . Adjustable pulse freq,pulse width,amplitude(voltage) and timing over the gap when everything is off is needed by your power management module , I stick to my theory that Stan Meyer was an honest and good person and was not a fraud!
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
...Except that on a quantum level, the zero-point energy (of electrons in the ionic bond) can also be manipulated through electromagnetic cavitation. The complexity comes from having to mechanically harmonize the electrodes, the H2O bonds, and also electromagnetically harmonize the electron cloud at the molecular bond sites. Think of the magic signal as an eigenvector of electrons in H2O and H2 and O2 plus hitting all the mechanical resonances.
aphor 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Put some enegry crystals in it. (yes I'm mocking you)
lazzer408 3 years ago
... um ... should this ever work, you would certainly be mocking yourself. Not that you should worry, but proving/disproving what I suggested is really a computation problem. Given Moore's Law I think we could come up with a bet we could settle on a certain date if you wanted to make it interesting.
aphor 3 years ago
Changing the subject.
I posted an earlier comment about mechanical or ultrasonic resonance. This was based on the schematic found somewhere in the referenced documentation ( I can not find it again) for an electronic resonator circuit with three tuned loops. the lowest frequency was @ 10.5 KHz the next two were integral multiples of the first. continued...
yakitatenergy 3 years ago
Hope you've all got this figured out now !!
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
I'm honored that this video is the only one you have added to your favorites. Apparently you do have it all figured out. You've completely hijacked this thread and produced nothing but words.
With all due respect, where is your evidence?
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Hi just a quick bit of info if you look at the picture on the front of stan's twin plate test chamber you can clearly see the knob of the dial that tunes the inductor!!
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
the water creates its own power from the hydrogen and hydroxyl ions as the polar magnetic pulse hit them, the dc current is to charge the circuit and create the block to stop electron flow , so that the ions can charge the water
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
trap and align the water molecules between the plates using the applied voltage then resonanate them with polar magnetic dc pulses.....
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
hope you've all downloaded the independant test evaluation report. File size 88.1 mb take a while to complete contains reports , leters , patent applications , workings diagrams, picture of original equipment ect ,
worth a look . It is as i though dc voltage is applied in constant dc form and pulsed dc form at the same time, it says so on one of his working drawings, food for thought !
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
type it into google stans_working_prototype_pll_edited_189.jpg
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Please see waterfuelcell site stans_working_prototype_pll_edited_189.jpg for full circuit diagrams components and values
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
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desertbard 3 years ago
Your circuit indeed is a charge pump and the voltage increases over the cell until discharge. But, it by no means tunes itself. It will function at any frequency.
How can you do a feedback loop to tune the frequency to match the whatever resonance?
What kind of oscillator it must be? Voltage controlled? I don't think that will work, what tells that it has hit the resonance? I cant do this with traditional analog only circuit, no skills enough, can you?
jarkonkotisivu 3 years ago
Anyone got any ideas on meyers patent
CA 1213671?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
What a concept! The betterment of mankind! I have been usinf a fixed frequency, and living with the inefficiencies, that does pretty well. Remember also, DC will still do the job in an enviroment where there is connection to the grid. My results are that I have run HHO as a suppliment on my engine. Running pure HHO has a few bugs to be fixed, but I see it as likely to do.
Good Job, I will watch you closely, so not to reinvent the wheel!
dragon64leo 3 years ago
oooyess! Exactly my thought, automatic self-finding freq generator. Why force it, when it (cell) can do all that complex freq adjustments all by itself.. hehe, i just did not figure it out no matter how i tried. I think the "clock pendulum model" really made it click for me!
So did it work ? Any new schematic that i can try out ?
InventorGadget 3 years ago
Has anyone got any idea how a phase shift resonant controller chip works ? use it as a frequency scanning circuit maybe ?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
hi is a mur1560 15a 600v ultra fast diode any good?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Or something similar say united states patent5469174
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Can anyone help with circuit diagrams for
United States Patent 5199299 ?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
For what its worth, this is probably a load of 'horse hockey', but I ran across a posting from someone claiming to have used resonant frequency for creating hydroxy gas as a variant of a replication of the Meyers process.
Posted to Yahoo Tech Groups (watercar) on June 3, 2004 @ 9:39PM ET under the subject: "Meyer Experiment Recap".
He gives a lot of information on how to replicate the resonant frequency splitting of water.
Might be real, might be BS, but thought I would mention it.
lutherp40 3 years ago
Oh Man - The Guru's got it.
budssubs 3 years ago
My 2 cents. If the resonant Freq. is modified by the presence of gas within the water, then the device is dependent on electric resonance not molecular nor atomic resonance. If this is the case then the purpose of electric resonance is to achieve voltage doubling with the diode/choke combination, nothing more but this makes resonance a secondary problem. The main problem would be to limit current at some critical high breakdown voltage if this actually performs the expected overunity COP
lvildos 3 years ago
A tank circuit doesn't give you out more energy than you put in. It just shunts ebergy back and forth from the inductor to the capacitor and vice-versa.
tjamassey 3 years ago
BREAKDOWN: When electrons are accelerated to high velocity by the electric field at the [spark gap] and produce other free electrons by ionization collision with atoms. These free electrons are similarly accelerated by the field and in turn cause other ionizations. The avalanche process leads to a very large current.
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Glad to see the thought process evolve into Quantum mechanics. This is IMHO what it is all about. This, one has to understand to evolve the process to split the water molecule efficiently. Great thoughts and understanding.
slider1860 3 years ago
Brilliant! I trust you have evidence of your theories in action to show us?
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Look at all the people you got to think about this. OK here is another theory: Couple a peak detector to the cell (See Wikipedia). Then use the signal from that to trigger an electronic oscillator connected to the cell. The cell will remain in constant resonance unaffected by the changing capacitance due to the varied gas production. The only thing I can't figure is how to reset the peak detector automatically at a fast enough rate. I am not an electronics guy. Maybe you can answer that one.
budssubs 3 years ago
PHOTOIONIZATION: The ionization of of a gas by light or other electromagnetic radiation; the photons must possess enough energy to detach one or more outer electrons from the gas atoms.
PHOTOCONDUCTION: The absorption of EMR by electrons in matter whereby the electrons are brought to the range of energy levels at which they move freely to conduct electricity.
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
To those of you who are doing scientific research on Gray's patents, congratulations, you are working on the actual generation of electrical power based on Quantum Physics. Here are some areas that need consideration;
BREMSSTRAIILUNG: "breaking radiation" The radiation emitted by electrons slowed down in matter. [free electrons entering a steel high-voltage anode] [Bunching]
PAIR PRODUCTION: The formation of a positron and an electron when electromagnetic energy interacts with matter.
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
The invention also includes a means for sensing the occurrence of a resonant condition in the water capacitor/resonant cavity, which when a ferromagnetic or electromagnetic core is used, may be a pickup coil on the transformer core. The sensing means is interconnected to a scanning circuit and a phase lock loop circuit, whereby the pulsing frequency to the primary coil of the transformer is maintained at a sensed frequency corresponding to a resonant condition in the water capacitor.
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
try rexresearch for circuit diagrams on
A Control and Driver Circuit for a Hydrogen Gas Fuel Producing Cell theres circuit diagrams of all components including the resonance scanning circuit
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
High frequency pulses build
a rising staircase DC potential across the electrodes of the cell until a point is reached
where the water breaks down and a momentary high current flows. A current measuring
circuit in the supply detects this breakdown and removes the pulse drive for a few cycles
allowing the water to "recover". this last bit must be why the water doesn't heat up?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
He was demonstrating hydrogen gas production at milliamp and kilovolt levels.
"The most remarkable observation is that the WFC and all its metal pipework remained
quite cold to the touch, even after more than twenty minutes of operation. The splitting
mechanism clearly evolves little heat in sharp contrast to electrolysis where the electrolyte warms up quickly." extract from Electronics World & Wireless World ( January 1991)
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Also would using a magnetic reed switch to arc the surge to lower voltage , thus creating overunity within the closed loop of the capacitor circuit ? Similar to E V Grays idea?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Each choke consist's of a coil, capacitor and resistor , on choke on the negative side has metal slider (like variable transformer) to fine tune the 2 coils to allow for impurity's in the water . the caps act as power for the chokes and vice versa the resistor must be to stop you frying the caps not sure?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
When the hydrogen and oxygen molecules are released as inerts gas's , the electrons left behind go the the electrodes hence the jump in volts (surge) on resonance. Am i right? Meyers chamber was multi layered to stop the electrons escaping, the inductors bifilar or singular were used to contain the charge at the plates.
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Try a different plate design that allows for the bubbles to rise without interfering with the "dielectric zone". This could be wires strung back and forth. Paralel them to handle the amperage. I am not sure if the bubble chooses to form on the negative or the positive. If it chooses one or the other that would be the wire that is offset to the bottom. This would leave the "dielectric zone" kitty corner and consistant.
Waynestock08 3 years ago
Consider mechanical resonance caused by molecular hysteresis at ultrasonic frequencies above 40KHz as a method to control bubble size and therefore interplate capacitance. Perform the experiment in an insulated ultrasonic parts cleaner. Sonic cavitation may play a role in HHO production.
yakitatenergy 3 years ago
So whats meant by splitting the positive?
Edwin V Gray ??
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Theory " the pulse train run's through the toroid to earth, the magnetic pulse which follows as the toroid discharges crosses to secondary tranformer thus charging the circuit with electromagnetic discharge this charge will only pass through the inductor one way trapping it in the chamber , the capacitors after the inducor but before the chamber act as storage for the charge to make sure the inductors don't discharge and therefore hold there resistance? "
any ideas??
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Can anyone tell me why the gated pulse feed going into the first toroidal coil goes to earth? How do the volts cross to the secondary coil? How does a magnetic coupling work?
Thanks
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
its old world magic: im not being sarcastic.... you will have to do a little research into l/c tank circuits. resonance is just a joint venture of a capacitor charging a coil, and the coil returning the favor to the capacitor. In the closed loop of the circuit, it theoritacally exceeds laws of physics; the current measured to the capacitor, add'd to the current in the inductor will excceed the current supplied to the circuit
harveyeaston 3 years ago
On a similar not I noticed that when a stun gun with a good unidirectional pulse is hooked to ground the electric output gets so high that is shock the user through the handle; even standing on a rubber mat. There is a phenomenon with earth grounds.
cheaphardwarez 3 years ago
Wanted to share the modification I made to my bubbler. (as background, id blown the top apart of the old one twice in 1 week).. Anyway, i cut the bottom 4 inches of the bubbler (its made of 1 1/2 inch pvc) and slipped a piece of a old bike innertube over it, and then reinserted the end piece. refd the entire unit with water. now when I get a flashback, it will just force the entire volume of water into the rubber, then recover itself!
harveyeaston 3 years ago
ableton live has a thing called autofilter, which allows for LFO controlled hi-Q/hi-resonance pulsing..
youarelackluster 3 years ago
Hey mate your on the right track. i looked at meyers final patent with a very very confusing block diagram. he included a modual for cell feed back. the patent included what seemed to be accurate schematics, but no values on the components. ths could be a starting platform for someone alot smarted then me. i have found accurate schematics with values to meyers bench testing set up and am builing his black box as you read this.
dynamite9585 3 years ago
Efficient power supply suitable for inductive loads
United States Patent 4595975
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Hi has anyone read anything about edwin v gray? Something about splitting the positive back? is it posible to harness the surge and use it? He turned 6 Volts into 3 KV , lower the voltage and pulse it?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
Have you all seen you tube vid
Stan Meyer WFC Bifilar Chokes ?
freeenergy4everyone 3 years ago
My name is Michael please call me 1-815-713-4480 I want someone to build this circuit to hook up to my six pack hho system.
HydrogenMike54 3 years ago
There are a ton of PWM out there. Do a search on Google. There are other experimental ways also. Google everything!
slider1860 3 years ago
After reading many of the posts it almost seems that finding a way to trigger a mist of water to explode in the combustion chamber using high voltage and some hho would generate a steam engine? The Japanese are doing this now.
HydrogenMike54 3 years ago
hi there fossy,
i was thinking about this last night and was saying to my self why are we forcing a freq when we can just get a reading from the cell and real time match it .i believe this is certainly the correct road .i also beleive the solution is even easier still.
as this video unfolded in front of me i had a rise of emotion and yeld out YES YES YES. I am very happy to have experienced this unfold.cheers to you fossy the world will just get better from now on!
regards andy
kissmyhho 3 years ago
Liquid hydrogen has a density of 71 gm/liter. There is more hydrogen in a liter of methanol (99 gm/liter) than in a liter of liquid hydrogen.
Regular Gasoline has 133MJ/Gallon
Hydrogen has about 390 MJ/Gallon 3 x the energy per weight than gasoline.
Gasoline weighs 6.073 lb/gal or 3 KG/gal.
Generate 2lb of hydrogen to equal a 6lb of gasoline (1 gallon) and see how much energy it takes to do it.
Hopefully, these facts will steer others from continuing down this energy wasting Hydrogen path.
Boyntonstu 3 years ago
read back 2 days ago or so where I posted a comparison of cost for Philldapill.
slider1860 3 years ago
Well you should look at your own answer. Hydrogen still has 3 times the amount of energy per kg than that of gasoline. An at that we are not talking about monatomic HHO.
slider1860 3 years ago
...(cont'd) But when resonance is present, they may be aligning to the plates by spin, and to conserve energy of their rotations a short circuit occurs that breaks bonds and produces gas.
WhosaUSAman 3 years ago
If we have one molecule of water with 2 hydrogen atoms each sharing an electron to for a covalent bond, what happens if we remove just one of those electrons?? Will the covalent bond still exist??
slider1860 3 years ago
I am starting to ask myself. Self "is resonance the key to Meyers WFC". I think that the step-charge signal at the proper voltage is the key. However we get there. The problem with that is feeding that signal into basically a direct short of the WFC. Impedance matching??
slider1860 3 years ago
His resonant step charge signal is easy to get when you do not have to deal with the dynamic effects of the water capacitor.
slider1860 3 years ago
Slider have you considered what is water?
Not ash, perfect storage...open the door with combination, not force and you have it.
Water is crystalline, it is a dynamically changing crystal. If you consider the xtal with two inverting gates you get a stable freq. but with water you get?
with electro you are changing the dynamics. without water is slightly different in its responses. water has properties of all these cap, diode, resistor, crystal, together.
I think we need to get away from...
BikoHatna 3 years ago
continued...
thinking in singular terms. not one response from water but several. How do we read waters reactions to our input?Production of HHO helps but I think we need more feedback...
BikoHatna 3 years ago
I agree with you almost totally. Water is very dynamic and has those properties you mention. They do and are dealt with. So many things affect the dynamics of it all. Resistance, capacitance, impedance, current flow, leakage, frequency, and voltage. A circuit has to be designed to deal with them. It is not an insurmountable task. It is done everyday in different electronic circuits. BUT the goal is to break the covalent bond of the water molecule with the least amount of power consumed.
slider1860 3 years ago
The one thing that does not change is the water molecule made up of 2 hydrogen atoms with one electron each and one oxygen atom with eight electrons with 6 in it outer orbit wanting to share the two from the hydrogen atom to form a covalent bond. This is always the same. So if you look at what needs to be done this is always the same, would you agree?
slider1860 3 years ago
Agreed! I think that is the basis. However I am looking at this in terms of sequential interactions. Meyers made the comment that he noticed most of the production took place in the absence of any electrical input. like a trigger.
It feels to me that since we do not know all the forms energy can take, is it possible that there is a reaction between water, (electrolyte?), plates, and potential energy that cause some other form of energy that then causes the separation of the covalent bonds?
BikoHatna 3 years ago
Electrons spin on their axis as they circle a nucleus, and have a tendency for a + or - spin. There is energy in the spin, and there may be a change of spin direction to conserve the spin energy under certain conditions. There is also EV energy in electron orbits. It seems to me that brute amps my be pushing electrons to outside orbits, where they may collide as they are pulled in close proximity by their nucleus to the charged plate.
WhosaUSAman 3 years ago
hae you tested the wfc theory into the real circuit? Have you tested the system?
wheriz 3 years ago
i mean the resonant wfc
wheriz 3 years ago
I don't know. It's like sending a TCP/IP packet to a specific address or a UDP multicast packet and saying "anyone tuned in may listen and respond. Both take the same resources to create but the result is much different.
In your example all I think you're doing is releasing more stored potential energy with one command vs. another.
Which is NOT to say I think your chorusing theory is invalid. It made my head explode too. All I can say is try it.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Would you check out my theory animation of a "Chorusing Device"?
The name "Chorusing" comes from my experience in choir. A choir director can cue one voice and get 'X' amount of sound, then cue all 250 voices and get much more sound energy without any additional input than was required to cue a single voice.
Likewise I believe that the adjacent magnets are being influenced without being "pushed".
Tap the flux change in all the coils in the fields and you get over-unity. Simple, No?
solcitynavigater 3 years ago
I was talking about the collapse of the Tacoma Narrows bridge in 1940. It was not destroyed by a earthquake, hurricane or tornado. It was brought down by the simple forces of wind.
If you search elsewhere on youtube there are videos of the bridges demise.
plinth1964 3 years ago
Sorry my first post did not get posted.
plinth1964 3 years ago
It turned out that the wind had pulsed at the right frequency to set up a sympathetic wave in the bridge structure that caused the structural failure of the bridge. If I remember correctly the winds were only around 30-40 mph. The bridge was designed properly for much more severe winds, but in a nonsympathetic frequency. I first learned of this in my physics course in college and then again in structural systems in architecture.
So why can't the same thing happen at the atomic level?
plinth1964 3 years ago
my previous 3 comments were for Phill
youtubalous 3 years ago
Use a vco or a sweep generator or a manualy variable sig gen. I don't know why no one will sweep their cell with a sig gen, comparator and a pulse amp controlled with a blanking circuit for the delay. I think it's a big crock and refuse to do it. It seems simple as far as testing.
cribcat1 3 years ago