My suggestion may be too harsh for the very kind Catholic lady, but could she be bothered to read Robert M. Price's "The Case Against the Case for Christ" or "Incredible Shrinking Son of Man"?
How rude of me... Great Video. I have an aunt & stepmother who I am looking forward to sharing this with. Both of them are what I would consider "Hardcore Catholics"!
Given that the justification for only men being allowed as priests is that all the apostles are men, shouldn't the catholic church only be appointing Jews as priests? After all, all the apostles were Jews too....
@edwardtarte Your mentioning of the Eagle Scout awards brought up another thought--perhaps you might want to consider the boy scouts as bigots, too, for not permitting girls to be a part of their group.
@ubble1,I read it,described as 'controversial':hell is a 'state',not a place.OfficialCCteaching45 years ago:Pope PiusX:Hell is a place,of torment.CCteaches resurrection of bodies at Judgement Day;bodies will reunite w/souls to share in afterlife.Tell me:how can a body exist merely in a 'state',not a place?Bodies occupy space and exist in places.ThereforeJohn Paul's concept of hell contradicts CC teaching on resurrection of body.More evidence,if any was needed, of CC's lack of credibility.
It seems that the reason I cannot send you links is that Youtube does not permit it. I will send the most recent link to your inbox. It is a commentary on the writings of JohnPaul II.
It may be worth pointing out that the bible canon was chosen by men and intentionally excluded any gospels which note that Mary Mag was the favorite apostle.
Just in the news lately, Italian police are investigating the Vatican bank, because of possibilities of money laundering and irregular payments.
A recent program on UK TV mentions the gospel of Phillip in which Mary Magdelene takes a much greater role than mentioned in the other "official" gospels. Was it kept out of the bible because of mysogeny prevelent at the times?
This ubble1 woman looks like she is going through life with blinders on, I feel sorry for her. to me it sems like she is married to an abusive husband and defends him every time she shows up with a black eye
@jpc08109, I hope that you mean that metaphorically, comparing the Catholic Church to an abusive husband. If you visit her profile page and look at the marvelous pictures in her photo album, you will get some insight into her and her family.
@edwardtarte of course metaphorically, no insult to her, I was raised a catholic, my wife is a catholic school teacher. I am reading her posts and it seems to me like she is making excuses for the catholic teachings that say that women are second citizens. I just think it's all nonsense but everybody is entitled to thier own belief
@edwardtarte Being a Catholic woman, I would like to give my perspective. Watching your videos, and I seeing how many errors you make on the teachings of the Church, calls into question the quality of your seminary training. On so many levels, you misunderstand the teachings and are passing your own interpretations along. Relevant to this video is the teachings on the priesthood. The Church doesn't have the authority to ordain women.
@edwardtarte I add this: As a maple tree can never be a spruce, and a rose cannot be a lily, a woman cannot be a man. Does the maple serve an equally admirable purpose as the spruce, does a rose delight the senses as much as a lily? The answer to these questions is 'yes'. Because a woman cannot be a man, and likewise for men--does not mean that they are not as valuable as the other. God calls men to the priesthood. He calls women to other vocations. They each serve in their own way.
@ubble1 Men call men to the priesthood! Your imaginary friend is nothing more than people with agendas, and the sooner you people realize and admit it to be so, the sooner our world will treat women as equals!
@ubble1,I challenge you to name one tenet of Catholic teaching about which I have erred in my videos,and document your claim with persuasive evidence. Yes, the Church hierarchy claims that the Church does not have the authority to ordain women.That is bigotry.I have a perfectly accurate understanding of this aspect of the Church as well as of the Church's teaching on sanctifying grace,original sin,actual sin,the sacraments,purgatory,and hell,which I discuss in videos.Prove I am wrong.
@edwardtarte You err when you give your opinion and present it as Catholic teaching. For instance: saying that the Church is guilty of bigotry (as if it is fact, not opinion), that is wrong. In another of your videos, you say that God created hell. That is incorrect. In another video, you say the Bishop gives a young person a slight slap to confirm him/her. That is incorrect. The slap was symbolic, and not necessary. The laying of hands and prayer are the means of conferring confirmation.
@edwardtarte In another video, in reference to abstaining from meat on Fridays no longer being a requirement, you say something to the effect that God no longer cares much about that. That demonstrates that you don't understand that the Church teaches that certain rules exist at a certain time for the Church, in response to its needs at that time.
@ubble1,the CC teaches that their God created all things,including hell.The bishop gave me an expected little slap when he confirmed me.I will concede that that slap may not be part of the essence.I understand perfectly that your Church sometimes changes rules.It is currently changing some words of the Mass.A priest used to incur hellfire for deviating from the words of the Mass that were current at that time;now he incurs hellfire for deviating from the current words.
@edwardtarte Did one of your instructors say to you, 'God created hell'? I ask because the Church does not teach that. The slap is now obsolete, I was not slapped, and none of my children were. Yes, a deliberate act of disobedience that has been made clear to be a serious case would be a mortal sin if the person did it with full knowledge. A priest has an obligation to stay completely true to the words of the Mass or it would not be valid.
@ubble1,please give evidence that the CC, which teaches that God created all things, and that hell exists,teaches that God did not create hell.There is a contradiction involved here.What allegedly makes the Mass valid are the words of consecration,'This is my body...' not the prayers before and after.It is I who have accurate knowledge of CC teaching, not you.The CC changed its mind about what is the essence of Confirmation. That fact plus many others cast doubt on the CC's credibility.
@edwardtarte Let me clarify: You say that the Church denies women the right to be priests--that part is true--you continue on with the statement that the Church is guilty of bigotry. I see that as being misleading. It is not a fact. That is your opinion.
@ubble1 Can you explain why you feel that the Catholic Church is not bigoted towards women? Edward made his point very well and explained why he felt they were bigoted. If you disagree it is surely your responsibility to refute it. Maybe a video response would help us understand your point of view.
@croxleylad I can explain my side, but unfortunately, it would fall on deaf ears. Long story short: to believe in the Catholic Church is to believe that it is not a manmade institution. Because atheiests do not believe that, the rest of my beliefs become a moot point. Those beliefs are that the vocation to the priesthood are given by God, and men cannot change that. I am a full time wife and mom, so to make a video at this point would be too time consuming.
@ubble1, I did not say it is Catholic teaching that the Church is guilty of bigotry.Also,I wish you could understand that a church that brands morally indifferent acts,such as what a person eats or how much a person eats on a particular day of the week,as sinful, even deserving of hell,and claims that God supports that moral branding,and that if the church changes its branding God will support the new branding--that church is false,evil,and corrupt,not worthy of credence or obedience.
@ubble1 The burden of proof is now on you. Show some evidence to prove that Edward is "misunderstanding" the unproven teachings of catholicism. Is he really making errors or are you just relying on your own perspective? How do you know he's making errors? Prove it.
@ubble1 But, its not a satisfactory answer. I tend to want to know history and if I can understand history through anthropology and archeology, I get the answers. Why is this so important to me? Because, religion is man made. This was not ordained by God, it was a man who decreed that its ordained by God.
@ubble1 Well, then. You understand it. Therefore, we have made an agreement that religion is man made and therefore, the claim that God claimed that men can only be priests is a man made decision and does not come from God nor ordained by God.
Like you I have a catholic background but not a priest. I am applaud to learn that in t UK I am counted as a catholic by the church because I was baptised and confirmed. Do you know how I can get myself excommunicated and/or removed from the list of their supporters?
@FLUSEM666 Here in Ireland, we have a website called 'count me out' where you can get instructions on how to go about leaving. Of course it goes through the parish priest and the bishop, but it's good to have a say. Contact the irish atheists via Atheist Ireland dot ie
@FLUSEM666, I am undoubtedly still on baptismal, confirmation, and holy orders (priesthood) rolls, but that doesn't bother me in the least. I don't know how you can get removed.
@FLUSEM666 Any catholics wanting to leave their chuch must go to the site 'Count me out ' all the information is there, plus you can download a form 'Declaration of defection' . Highly recommended.
@HENRYFOLEY I haven’t considered myself a catholic for almost 40 years. Just recently following the popes visit, I was made aware that they RCC still count me as one because I was baptised! The pope claimed that there were five million catholics in the UK. Ha ha ha Not if there are many more like me.
Quire frankly I find being associated with those delusional paedophiles, very worrying.
What? Nothing about the Malleus Maleficarum? It's just about the most misogynist book ever written. It would another good thing to emphasize to your friend that the Catholic Church has had a history of hunting down and burning women for being nothing more than different or midwives etc.
Always love your videos! I relate to your catholic experience (though I was never a priest). As a recovering Catholic I find many action of the Church to be reprehensible I can't even express it!! (It just get me so, so angry!!!) I was not molested but I was, however, brainwashed with a lot of nonsense. I was, also, terrorized by their bigoted and hateful attitudes towards gay people (which they continue to this day)!
It always makes me smile when religious people accuse us ( atheists) of being bitter, and hating god whenever we criticise the church. In fact, nothing could be further than the truth, how can we hate something that we believe doesn't exist. I would happily change my view if i see any evidence. And regarding being bitter, since rejecting faith, my life has improved 100 fold.. like the Johnny Nash song . . .# i can see clearly now #.
Excellent video. I bet that woman makes fantastic bread.
@boswell255 People do not understand that evil within the Church does not equal 'The Church'. For example: Christ chose 12 apostles. One of them betrayed the Lord. Does that make the other 11 guilty? It is the same thing throughout history. The Church is made up of people, some of them betray the Lord. They are other 'Judases'. When you purchase a bag of flour, it sometimes become contaminated with tiny worms. Wherever there is good, evil is, too.
@ubble1 I was referring to "The Church" as the institution, as does the Hitchens and Fry. They make it perfectly clear that most Catholics are good people. Unfortunately it is the ones at the very top who are passing ridiculous laws which result in great suffering and even death.
To use your flour analogy, the flour is perfectly fine, it might make the most delicious bread on the planet. But if you eat it, you might die of AIDS, because the worms are extremely poisonous. Sift out the worms!
I look forward to your thoughtful videos, Edward! The communication is the most important part of the process, it seems to me. Thank you for sharing your email exchanges - a wonderful value-add for your channel!
She may never dissociate herself from The Catholic Church. Brainwashing and cognitive dissonance are a sad conditions of the human mind. They are hard to overcome with the fear of religion.
I really dig the content of this video (thumbs up), but the sub titles are pretty bad, and at time give a humorous tone to this otherwise serious tone.
@Checker222, thank you for the thumbs up. But I do not understand your criticism. Are you referring to the two brief annotations? All they do is point out links below the video--links to two previous videos of mine that are relevant to what I am saying in this one. I now do this in many of my videos, and by them I intend nothing humorous.. They are analogous to footnotes or bibliographical references. I see them as straightforward and simple, not as 'pretty bad.'
I am referring to (at lest when I watched the video) there is a subtitles bar at the bottom of the video that puts in text everything you say, and there was a humorus part where you said "Jesus" and it subtitles it to "Cheesus" and that had me laughing out loud.
Your annotations are quite useful, so don't take it as a criticism of you are the annotations, just of the subtitles that appeared when I watched the video.
@edwardtarte Indeed you do not have control on the "Transcribe function". it has 2 problem 1-It works in English (that's not a problem since at leas 75% of the youtube videos are in English and it is your native language) 2-It has several mistakes.
@Checker222 under the video you will see "cc", if you point your mouse over it, you'll see an option of "Transcribe audio" - it seems you have it enabled. So really it was youtube that was making fun of Jesus :)
Good that she can keep and open mind, not blindly lashing out because of your opinions. Sadly, there have been some people in my life withwhom I could not carry on such a conversation. Having been brought up by a very, religious mother I know how much the church and its teaching can mean. Although I left the Catholic church a long time ago, I still loved and respected her.
Excellent video as always! I especially like your response to the "jesus is my friend". As a side note, I was always wondering, why are you saying "I now find no evidence"? I guess you mean: I am now looking at the evidence, something I wasn't doing before, and find that there is none, but the way you say it it sounds like, there was evidence before, but now there isn't. I am sorry, it just always bugged me xd
Another good video Sir. Good question re how much will one tolerate in defending the catholic church, and the lady's comment on why focus on the negative aspects of the church. When the pope's visit was being covered by the BBC here, the commentators covering the event said the same thing.." Why don't people put more emphasis on the good the church does, rather than the abuse " Denial seems to be an easy route for some to take.
Unfortunately, I doubt there is any amount of evil which will cause devout Catholics to leave the Church. This is because they have the stranglehold of the sacraments, which they have indoctrinated their parishioners into believing they cannot live without.
However, if she wants to become a priest, she could become an Episcopalian. ;)
Hi Edward, first off I want to say that I loved your analogy of the catholic church to the murderer and rapist, I had never though of it like that and it certainly puts things in perspective.
Secondly, wasn't it discovered a few years back that Mary Magdalene may have been a disciple and not a prostitute since they found her gospel ?....I'm not positive about the details but I do recall hearing something about it.
I have come to the conclusion that many Catholics will not see the catholic church for what it is unless the pope him self rapes a baby on international TV. No matter how much the evil of the Catholic church gets exposed many if not most Catholics will simply ignore it.
It's ridiculous the sort of things churches will cling to. It is well known how much women have been discriminated against in the past, and how far they've come. This is one of many examples of how Christianity is an enemy to progress. They point at some ancient text written in an ignorant ancient context like it still applies today. And they just love part about being fruitful and multiplying. God hasn't written any holy books since so how is he gonna tell them to stop already?
I do think it's wonderful that she's not like some who would keep her children away from you. That does put her above some I know who would have tried to "ruin" you.
@tattooskin72, at the time I was tutoring her sons, as far as I know she had no idea that I was once a Catholic priest, or even that I was once a Catholic.
@edwardtarte Likewise, if this lady's bosom pal Jesus had spoken out against slavery, imagine what horrors would have been avoided over the ensuing 18 centuries.
How can anyone believe that his bronze-age guru was anything but a human... if even that.
My suggestion may be too harsh for the very kind Catholic lady, but could she be bothered to read Robert M. Price's "The Case Against the Case for Christ" or "Incredible Shrinking Son of Man"?
amoxtlacatl 10 months ago
How rude of me... Great Video. I have an aunt & stepmother who I am looking forward to sharing this with. Both of them are what I would consider "Hardcore Catholics"!
sheri226 1 year ago
Is that an atheist pin you are wearing? It appears to be an 'A' in a hologram. If it is.. please do tell where you got it!
sheri226 1 year ago
Given that the justification for only men being allowed as priests is that all the apostles are men, shouldn't the catholic church only be appointing Jews as priests? After all, all the apostles were Jews too....
m1ll10n1977 1 year ago
@m1ll10n1977 well the pulpit is an office of authority. Women are not to be put in position of authority and teaching men. 1 Timothy 2:12
CreedChrist 1 year ago
Pope JohnPaul presented a clear, concise writing on hell. I have tried to post the site since last night, and I continually get an error message.
ubble1 1 year ago
@edwardtarte Your mentioning of the Eagle Scout awards brought up another thought--perhaps you might want to consider the boy scouts as bigots, too, for not permitting girls to be a part of their group.
ubble1 1 year ago
@ubble1,I read it,described as 'controversial':hell is a 'state',not a place.OfficialCCteaching45 years ago:Pope PiusX:Hell is a place,of torment.CCteaches resurrection of bodies at Judgement Day;bodies will reunite w/souls to share in afterlife.Tell me:how can a body exist merely in a 'state',not a place?Bodies occupy space and exist in places.ThereforeJohn Paul's concept of hell contradicts CC teaching on resurrection of body.More evidence,if any was needed, of CC's lack of credibility.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte
It seems that the reason I cannot send you links is that Youtube does not permit it. I will send the most recent link to your inbox. It is a commentary on the writings of JohnPaul II.
ubble1 1 year ago
It may be worth pointing out that the bible canon was chosen by men and intentionally excluded any gospels which note that Mary Mag was the favorite apostle.
gamutman 1 year ago
So there was this lady who believed that Joseph never touched Mary "that way".
God can touch Mary "that way" but not Joseph ... yea okay.
ari1234a 1 year ago
"Waaahh, the rapist-biggots wont let me be an official rapist-biggot whaaaaa"
TheSpazzofMuffins 1 year ago
I love the comparisons... great video Mr. Tarte!!!
melonade1972 1 year ago
Another thought provoking video.
Mglosk 1 year ago
Just in the news lately, Italian police are investigating the Vatican bank, because of possibilities of money laundering and irregular payments.
A recent program on UK TV mentions the gospel of Phillip in which Mary Magdelene takes a much greater role than mentioned in the other "official" gospels. Was it kept out of the bible because of mysogeny prevelent at the times?
wordavee 1 year ago
This ubble1 woman looks like she is going through life with blinders on, I feel sorry for her. to me it sems like she is married to an abusive husband and defends him every time she shows up with a black eye
jpc08109 1 year ago
@jpc08109, I hope that you mean that metaphorically, comparing the Catholic Church to an abusive husband. If you visit her profile page and look at the marvelous pictures in her photo album, you will get some insight into her and her family.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte of course metaphorically, no insult to her, I was raised a catholic, my wife is a catholic school teacher. I am reading her posts and it seems to me like she is making excuses for the catholic teachings that say that women are second citizens. I just think it's all nonsense but everybody is entitled to thier own belief
jpc08109 1 year ago
@edwardtarte Being a Catholic woman, I would like to give my perspective. Watching your videos, and I seeing how many errors you make on the teachings of the Church, calls into question the quality of your seminary training. On so many levels, you misunderstand the teachings and are passing your own interpretations along. Relevant to this video is the teachings on the priesthood. The Church doesn't have the authority to ordain women.
ubble1 1 year ago
@edwardtarte I add this: As a maple tree can never be a spruce, and a rose cannot be a lily, a woman cannot be a man. Does the maple serve an equally admirable purpose as the spruce, does a rose delight the senses as much as a lily? The answer to these questions is 'yes'. Because a woman cannot be a man, and likewise for men--does not mean that they are not as valuable as the other. God calls men to the priesthood. He calls women to other vocations. They each serve in their own way.
ubble1 1 year ago
@ubble1 Men call men to the priesthood! Your imaginary friend is nothing more than people with agendas, and the sooner you people realize and admit it to be so, the sooner our world will treat women as equals!
mythicalhell 1 year ago
@ubble1,I challenge you to name one tenet of Catholic teaching about which I have erred in my videos,and document your claim with persuasive evidence. Yes, the Church hierarchy claims that the Church does not have the authority to ordain women.That is bigotry.I have a perfectly accurate understanding of this aspect of the Church as well as of the Church's teaching on sanctifying grace,original sin,actual sin,the sacraments,purgatory,and hell,which I discuss in videos.Prove I am wrong.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 4
@edwardtarte You err when you give your opinion and present it as Catholic teaching. For instance: saying that the Church is guilty of bigotry (as if it is fact, not opinion), that is wrong. In another of your videos, you say that God created hell. That is incorrect. In another video, you say the Bishop gives a young person a slight slap to confirm him/her. That is incorrect. The slap was symbolic, and not necessary. The laying of hands and prayer are the means of conferring confirmation.
ubble1 1 year ago
@edwardtarte In another video, in reference to abstaining from meat on Fridays no longer being a requirement, you say something to the effect that God no longer cares much about that. That demonstrates that you don't understand that the Church teaches that certain rules exist at a certain time for the Church, in response to its needs at that time.
ubble1 1 year ago
@ubble1,the CC teaches that their God created all things,including hell.The bishop gave me an expected little slap when he confirmed me.I will concede that that slap may not be part of the essence.I understand perfectly that your Church sometimes changes rules.It is currently changing some words of the Mass.A priest used to incur hellfire for deviating from the words of the Mass that were current at that time;now he incurs hellfire for deviating from the current words.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte Did one of your instructors say to you, 'God created hell'? I ask because the Church does not teach that. The slap is now obsolete, I was not slapped, and none of my children were. Yes, a deliberate act of disobedience that has been made clear to be a serious case would be a mortal sin if the person did it with full knowledge. A priest has an obligation to stay completely true to the words of the Mass or it would not be valid.
ubble1 1 year ago
@ubble1,please give evidence that the CC, which teaches that God created all things, and that hell exists,teaches that God did not create hell.There is a contradiction involved here.What allegedly makes the Mass valid are the words of consecration,'This is my body...' not the prayers before and after.It is I who have accurate knowledge of CC teaching, not you.The CC changed its mind about what is the essence of Confirmation. That fact plus many others cast doubt on the CC's credibility.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 2
@edwardtarte Curiously, I have been trying to answer this since yesterday, and Youtube won't accept the post.
ubble1 1 year ago
@edwardtarte My use of the word 'valid' was not exactly spot on, but I do believe you know what I was driving at.
ubble1 1 year ago
@edwardtarte Let me clarify: You say that the Church denies women the right to be priests--that part is true--you continue on with the statement that the Church is guilty of bigotry. I see that as being misleading. It is not a fact. That is your opinion.
ubble1 1 year ago
@ubble1 Can you explain why you feel that the Catholic Church is not bigoted towards women? Edward made his point very well and explained why he felt they were bigoted. If you disagree it is surely your responsibility to refute it. Maybe a video response would help us understand your point of view.
croxleylad 1 year ago
@croxleylad I can explain my side, but unfortunately, it would fall on deaf ears. Long story short: to believe in the Catholic Church is to believe that it is not a manmade institution. Because atheiests do not believe that, the rest of my beliefs become a moot point. Those beliefs are that the vocation to the priesthood are given by God, and men cannot change that. I am a full time wife and mom, so to make a video at this point would be too time consuming.
ubble1 1 year ago
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@ubble1 Do you have one single shred of evidence to support your belief that the Catholic Church was created by anybody or anything other than man?
croxleylad 1 year ago
@ubble1
Why should you, we, or any believe that the Catholic Church is not a manmade institution?
Your video -I hope you will eventually make it- should focus on evidence supporting this belief.
Indeed, without evidence to support this point, the rest of your beliefs are a moot point.
amoxtlacatl 10 months ago
@ubble1, I did not say it is Catholic teaching that the Church is guilty of bigotry.Also,I wish you could understand that a church that brands morally indifferent acts,such as what a person eats or how much a person eats on a particular day of the week,as sinful, even deserving of hell,and claims that God supports that moral branding,and that if the church changes its branding God will support the new branding--that church is false,evil,and corrupt,not worthy of credence or obedience.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 2
@ubble1 The burden of proof is now on you. Show some evidence to prove that Edward is "misunderstanding" the unproven teachings of catholicism. Is he really making errors or are you just relying on your own perspective? How do you know he's making errors? Prove it.
XxC0NDEMNEDxX 1 year ago
@ubble1 Good point, "The Church doesn't have the authority to ordain women." - But, I ask you, by who's authority?
truvelocity 1 year ago
@truvelocity That is by God's authority.
ubble1 1 year ago
@ubble1 That answer is circular. You can't win when you ask who's authority when it was clearly created by a man.
truvelocity 1 year ago
@truvelocity I don't want to win. I'm answering your question.
ubble1 1 year ago
@ubble1 But, its not a satisfactory answer. I tend to want to know history and if I can understand history through anthropology and archeology, I get the answers. Why is this so important to me? Because, religion is man made. This was not ordained by God, it was a man who decreed that its ordained by God.
truvelocity 1 year ago
@truvelocity I understand that, but we aren't ever going to meet on the same plane, unless one of us changes our mode of thinking.
ubble1 1 year ago
@ubble1 Well, then. You understand it. Therefore, we have made an agreement that religion is man made and therefore, the claim that God claimed that men can only be priests is a man made decision and does not come from God nor ordained by God.
truvelocity 1 year ago
@truvelocity I never agreed to any such thing.
ubble1 1 year ago
Another great vid Ed.
Like you I have a catholic background but not a priest. I am applaud to learn that in t UK I am counted as a catholic by the church because I was baptised and confirmed. Do you know how I can get myself excommunicated and/or removed from the list of their supporters?
FLUSEM666 1 year ago
@FLUSEM666 My bloody spell checker changed appalled into applaud. Technology with a mind of it's own.
FLUSEM666 1 year ago
@FLUSEM666 Here in Ireland, we have a website called 'count me out' where you can get instructions on how to go about leaving. Of course it goes through the parish priest and the bishop, but it's good to have a say. Contact the irish atheists via Atheist Ireland dot ie
yellowlabrador 1 year ago
@yellowlabrador Thanks.
FLUSEM666 1 year ago
@FLUSEM666, I am undoubtedly still on baptismal, confirmation, and holy orders (priesthood) rolls, but that doesn't bother me in the least. I don't know how you can get removed.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@FLUSEM666 Any catholics wanting to leave their chuch must go to the site 'Count me out ' all the information is there, plus you can download a form 'Declaration of defection' . Highly recommended.
HENRYFOLEY 1 year ago
@HENRYFOLEY Thanks.
FLUSEM666 1 year ago
@FLUSEM666 Ok no problem, hope you check it out and pursue it. All I have to do now is get in touch with another billion catholics......... LOL.
HENRYFOLEY 1 year ago
@HENRYFOLEY I haven’t considered myself a catholic for almost 40 years. Just recently following the popes visit, I was made aware that they RCC still count me as one because I was baptised! The pope claimed that there were five million catholics in the UK. Ha ha ha Not if there are many more like me.
Quire frankly I find being associated with those delusional paedophiles, very worrying.
FLUSEM666 1 year ago
@FLUSEM666 Have you looked at the site I recommended ?
HENRYFOLEY 1 year ago
What? Nothing about the Malleus Maleficarum? It's just about the most misogynist book ever written. It would another good thing to emphasize to your friend that the Catholic Church has had a history of hunting down and burning women for being nothing more than different or midwives etc.
toddlusk 1 year ago
T___T I want friendship bread T_____T
MistressArte 1 year ago
I think this is your best video yet.
akikarvonen 1 year ago
Always love your videos! I relate to your catholic experience (though I was never a priest). As a recovering Catholic I find many action of the Church to be reprehensible I can't even express it!! (It just get me so, so angry!!!) I was not molested but I was, however, brainwashed with a lot of nonsense. I was, also, terrorized by their bigoted and hateful attitudes towards gay people (which they continue to this day)!
AmericanGayAtheist 1 year ago
It always makes me smile when religious people accuse us ( atheists) of being bitter, and hating god whenever we criticise the church. In fact, nothing could be further than the truth, how can we hate something that we believe doesn't exist. I would happily change my view if i see any evidence. And regarding being bitter, since rejecting faith, my life has improved 100 fold.. like the Johnny Nash song . . .# i can see clearly now #.
Excellent video. I bet that woman makes fantastic bread.
bonnie43uk 1 year ago
Mr. Tarte, the high priest of reason and logic!
freethinker923 1 year ago
Jesus doesn't want to be your friend. He wants you to be his slave and he wants you to fear him.
freethinker923 1 year ago
You may find this debate interesting. It is entitled "IQ2 debate, Is the Catholic Church a Force for good"
/watch?v=YLNDn9U0FqI
It is between Christopher Hitchens + Stephen Fry (brilliant British comic) and Anne Widecombe and Archbishop John Onaiyekan
There is also an extended version.
It weighs up the evil things the Catholic Church has done with the large (although relatively tiny) contributions to the greater good.
Good day Edward.
boswell255 1 year ago
@boswell255 People do not understand that evil within the Church does not equal 'The Church'. For example: Christ chose 12 apostles. One of them betrayed the Lord. Does that make the other 11 guilty? It is the same thing throughout history. The Church is made up of people, some of them betray the Lord. They are other 'Judases'. When you purchase a bag of flour, it sometimes become contaminated with tiny worms. Wherever there is good, evil is, too.
ubble1 1 year ago
@ubble1 I was referring to "The Church" as the institution, as does the Hitchens and Fry. They make it perfectly clear that most Catholics are good people. Unfortunately it is the ones at the very top who are passing ridiculous laws which result in great suffering and even death.
To use your flour analogy, the flour is perfectly fine, it might make the most delicious bread on the planet. But if you eat it, you might die of AIDS, because the worms are extremely poisonous. Sift out the worms!
boswell255 1 year ago
The only priestesses that I know of are in the Shinto religion.
Kargoneth 1 year ago
I look forward to your thoughtful videos, Edward! The communication is the most important part of the process, it seems to me. Thank you for sharing your email exchanges - a wonderful value-add for your channel!
TimothyStuartRiches 1 year ago
PREACH ON ED! Enough of these Hypocrites!
Pablo113 1 year ago
She may never dissociate herself from The Catholic Church. Brainwashing and cognitive dissonance are a sad conditions of the human mind. They are hard to overcome with the fear of religion.
bigboy45454545 1 year ago
mr. tarte you are the man . Your contributions to freethought will be studied and apprecieated for generations.
chickinstompin 1 year ago 18
@chickinstompin, thanks so much for your kindness.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
jesus liked men did he?
defect530 1 year ago
I really dig the content of this video (thumbs up), but the sub titles are pretty bad, and at time give a humorous tone to this otherwise serious tone.
Checker222 1 year ago
@Checker222, thank you for the thumbs up. But I do not understand your criticism. Are you referring to the two brief annotations? All they do is point out links below the video--links to two previous videos of mine that are relevant to what I am saying in this one. I now do this in many of my videos, and by them I intend nothing humorous.. They are analogous to footnotes or bibliographical references. I see them as straightforward and simple, not as 'pretty bad.'
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte
My apologies for the mis-understanding.
I am referring to (at lest when I watched the video) there is a subtitles bar at the bottom of the video that puts in text everything you say, and there was a humorus part where you said "Jesus" and it subtitles it to "Cheesus" and that had me laughing out loud.
Your annotations are quite useful, so don't take it as a criticism of you are the annotations, just of the subtitles that appeared when I watched the video.
Be well sir!
Checker222 1 year ago
@Checker222, oh, I understand. The sub-titles for the hearing-impaired. Something over which I have no control. Thank you for the clarification:)
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte
On a side note, I watch all of your videos, love your stuff sir!
Checker222 1 year ago
@Checker222, thanks so much.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte Indeed you do not have control on the "Transcribe function". it has 2 problem 1-It works in English (that's not a problem since at leas 75% of the youtube videos are in English and it is your native language) 2-It has several mistakes.
Read the PM
hedleypanama 1 year ago
@edwardtarte I would suggest you watch with the subtitles on, quite funny.
SuperTwit 1 year ago
@Checker222 under the video you will see "cc", if you point your mouse over it, you'll see an option of "Transcribe audio" - it seems you have it enabled. So really it was youtube that was making fun of Jesus :)
smooch0408 1 year ago
@smooch0408
Ah, okay, thank you for letting me know, Not sure how I did that :)
Checker222 1 year ago
@Checker222 That would be Swiss Cheesus as it is holy.
pilgrimpater 1 year ago 2
@pilgrimpater
Hahah, yup!
Checker222 1 year ago
Good that she can keep and open mind, not blindly lashing out because of your opinions. Sadly, there have been some people in my life withwhom I could not carry on such a conversation. Having been brought up by a very, religious mother I know how much the church and its teaching can mean. Although I left the Catholic church a long time ago, I still loved and respected her.
sachaput 1 year ago
Excellent video as always! I especially like your response to the "jesus is my friend". As a side note, I was always wondering, why are you saying "I now find no evidence"? I guess you mean: I am now looking at the evidence, something I wasn't doing before, and find that there is none, but the way you say it it sounds like, there was evidence before, but now there isn't. I am sorry, it just always bugged me xd
Anthrax1551 1 year ago
Ohhh, people and their imaginary friends.
AlphaHorizon 1 year ago 16
The evil is not just in Catholic Church, but in all of them.
HHOinfo 1 year ago
Another good video Sir. Good question re how much will one tolerate in defending the catholic church, and the lady's comment on why focus on the negative aspects of the church. When the pope's visit was being covered by the BBC here, the commentators covering the event said the same thing.." Why don't people put more emphasis on the good the church does, rather than the abuse " Denial seems to be an easy route for some to take.
musicgeniusno1 1 year ago
Unfortunately, I doubt there is any amount of evil which will cause devout Catholics to leave the Church. This is because they have the stranglehold of the sacraments, which they have indoctrinated their parishioners into believing they cannot live without.
However, if she wants to become a priest, she could become an Episcopalian. ;)
violentlygraceful 1 year ago
An organisation headed by a nazi, indoctrinating children to become "Eagle Scouts".
Good grief. Wait till you see Ratzinger's ideas for new papal attire.
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
Hi Edward, first off I want to say that I loved your analogy of the catholic church to the murderer and rapist, I had never though of it like that and it certainly puts things in perspective.
Secondly, wasn't it discovered a few years back that Mary Magdalene may have been a disciple and not a prostitute since they found her gospel ?....I'm not positive about the details but I do recall hearing something about it.
Thanks!
simsi1616 1 year ago
I have come to the conclusion that many Catholics will not see the catholic church for what it is unless the pope him self rapes a baby on international TV. No matter how much the evil of the Catholic church gets exposed many if not most Catholics will simply ignore it.
thenamelessone83 1 year ago
It's ridiculous the sort of things churches will cling to. It is well known how much women have been discriminated against in the past, and how far they've come. This is one of many examples of how Christianity is an enemy to progress. They point at some ancient text written in an ignorant ancient context like it still applies today. And they just love part about being fruitful and multiplying. God hasn't written any holy books since so how is he gonna tell them to stop already?
TharosTheDragon 1 year ago
sounds like ed has a crush :-)
sixdumboutlaws 1 year ago
@sixdumboutlaws. wrong:)
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte *gasp* your the most famous youtuber I've ever gotten a comment reply from!
sixdumboutlaws 1 year ago
Once again, you bring a perspective that few even COULD bring, Edward. Thank you for another great video.
SiriusMined 1 year ago
I do think it's wonderful that she's not like some who would keep her children away from you. That does put her above some I know who would have tried to "ruin" you.
tattooskin72 1 year ago
@tattooskin72, at the time I was tutoring her sons, as far as I know she had no idea that I was once a Catholic priest, or even that I was once a Catholic.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
Two things:
1. When we judge anyone or anything we should judge it on its worst merits, not its best.
2. Unlike yourself, Jesus is most probably never wrong from her point of view.
ScaryGuy255 1 year ago
well said, and I like your A pin
Samuria11 1 year ago
sorry i can ONLY give this ONE thumbs up??!! Very well spoken! Thanks!
RevSpike 1 year ago
@edwardtarte Likewise, if this lady's bosom pal Jesus had spoken out against slavery, imagine what horrors would have been avoided over the ensuing 18 centuries.
How can anyone believe that his bronze-age guru was anything but a human... if even that.
sincristo 1 year ago 2