Noam Chomsky on Anarchism, Elections, Human Disposition, and the Young Marx [Part 4/6]

[Zerotonine12345678]

Great post, thanks!

[taz0k2]

Great clips! Must have been awesome to meet him in person.

In what ways does an anarchistic society differ from a "libertarian" society? Some neoliberalists want to remove the state, to me that seems to remind of anarchism, but I might be wrong.

Is it correct to see anarchism as libertarianism but with the addition that not only the state but also companies are to be distrusted, and that's why anarchists put focus on worker unions etc. ?

[Triplezero13999]

It's a question of individualism vs. collectivism. The state exists to protect the rich, and the rich exist by controlling the government. Collective anarchism seeks to not only rid government but also the hierarchy establishments of wage slavery. This can be done through a libertarian socialist mode of production free from state or corporate ownership. Trade unions, worker's cooperatives, employee ownership, etc. The anarchy neoliberals speek of is corporate anarchy and ultimately slavery.

[taz0k2]

Ah. Ok, now I see, so there's a a huge difference between different types of anarchism. Thanks for the great reply!

[silverbackman]

@Triplezero13999 I don't think anarcho-capitalists intend for for corporate anarchy or ultimate slavery. I don't think there is an intentional goal for an anti-statist wage slave system. It's just that many an-caps don't seem to realize that without a labor theory of value, or when you have bosses, that it isn't true anarchy aka freedom to begin with.

[GheryANTIFA]

because it's the least elitist. workers are the biggest class and it's important they are represented correctly

[nblumer]

@taz0k2

Anarchism = libertarianism + economic communism; Conservative libertariansm = libertarianism + pure capitalism. Traditional anarchists don't believe the capitalist concept of private property is true liberty b/c when the wealthy deny others the right to land, capital etc, this is an infringement of others' liberty. Collective ownership is necesary for anarchists while conservative libertarians believe no-one should interfere with the market oriented distribution of private property.

[signofthehammer]

where's `part 5

[anarchistory]

chomsky's comments appear to be trancated. Something is missing.

[anarchistory]

A nonsequitur. Chomsky's comments appear to be missing

[jtr3030]

I would be shaking too. The interview was great though. How did you get it?