Well, medical science was never always the mighty force it is now. Think about it, doctors used to go about 'Curing' people by slicing all their limbs off, covering them in honey then dancing until midnight. Psychological treatment may not seem completely flawless yet, but in time, advancements will be made! And that my friends is the beauty of science.
@mulletrow ask any oncologist there is no cure only "treatments".... so the fuck what? Cancer shouldnt be treated based on your logic or does it not exist? Because cures dont exist the disease doesnt?
There are no clinical tests or imaging for headaches.... they can't be proven.... yet no one argues they dont exist... while there is a history of psychiatry controlling people in the past... and certainly abuses of the practice exist but it is unbelievably stupid to claim mental illness doesntt exist.... "personality" and simply being different doesnt explain the long list of mental illness that cause distress and lack of functioning in people's lives....
@scooma1 And yes, libertarian socialism would minimize the emotional suffering many people seem to be going through. I'll take that as a solution over Scientology any day. Everything is fucked up in our society- our schools, our communities, our priorities.....our very social consciousness has been warped by capitalism and their henchmen (at times they've actually used psychiatrists to manipulate the public). This isnt to say people don't suffer from mental problems no matter which culture.
@scooma1 I don't deny psychiatry is a giant...no I mean GIANT fraud..what needs to be discussed is the cause of the modern social neurosis( it's not some alien) . It's a sick society and there will never be a perfect utopia but what we see now is a result of targeted, how shall we say, brainwashing? It sounds so paranoid to say society is brainwashed but look up Edward Bernays. He colluded with capitalists to mind fuck the entire world. BREAK THE SPELL. COPY/PASTE= youtube code= Myu74VAN92Q
Sooner or later people will wake up the truth of our world..face the truth of our demons, and stop running from it through the many lies of these so called sciences...
This isn't to sat Scientologists are rational human beings. The entire world is one giant joke speeding through the universe millions of miles per hour for billions of years and in the end, 100 years from now, no one will even know you existed. Don't spend your time worrying about the thought police or any silly subjective social construct of man. Do what you have to do to stay alive while having fun with it all. Nothing matters and this fact should make you happy.
It's by in large meant to normalize the modern capitalist system and the culture it creates. There's always been certifiably crazy people but what we see in modern times is just out of control. Another not so funny fact is Freud's sister (who is the founder of child psychology)used one of her friends kids as guinea pigs to form her theories...needless to say all of the kids committed suicide as adults. What does that tell you?
Capitalism causes alienation, depression and an almost complete separation of the individual with a sense of community people once felt. Take a average psychiatrist who's prescribing anti depressants to anyone and everyone back in time or to a community where humans aren't a commodity or rat on a wheel making profits for others while being targeted 24/7 by adverts and such and you'll see a psychiatrist with next to no patients. Capitalism and the culture it creates is the problem.
So what he's saying is that there is no such thing as mental health. If you have seen a person who is acutely psychotic or depressed or manic you quickly realise that this is absurd.
The fact is that there is such a thing as mental illness and the definition of conditions that fall under its banner are more subtle than if someone drops dead from a heart attack. An intelligent person should discern that something can exist without being able to be specifically quantified
If schizophrenia doesn't exist, why might a person have a higher risk if a relative has it (6.5%)? Ref: h t t p ://w w w .ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1914490/pdf/bmj-335-7610-cr-00091.pdf
Some people are clearly predisposed to behave a certain way (whether through genes or environmental factors), and if it interferes with their life and others why should they not be able to correct it?
One thing I can say that I really hate is when people blame their bad behavior on their " illness." Saying that you have an illness can be used to disguise what your true intentions are.
@ItNice26 not if it really IS down to your illness though. it is possible for people to act in a totally different manner when ill and have no idea what they were doing once they are better or in a better frame of mind. what annoys me is anyone who hasnt been through schizophrenia sayin what you did, you will have no idea how it affects a person, sometimes they dont even know who they are or remember their actions. psychiatry is wrong and is nasty i agree but real mental illness does exist
What Jeffrey Schaler is saying about psychiatry is similar to the criticisms of addiction treatment.. Addiction is another problem which has been wrongly diagnosed as a brain disease. I believe he has also spoken out against the addiction treatment industry.
psychiatry, psychiatrists are the most CRIMINAL SUBHUMAN dregs of society it is an absolute disgust. It is time to rid psychiatrists from this world. start today before more innocent people die under psychiatrists laughing while killing innocent human beings.
Many, maybe even most, psychological illnesses may be socially related, but the brain is a BODY PART just like the rest of us. In fact, it is the most intricately complicated part of our whole bodies. To insist that nothing could ever be physically or chemically wrong with it is just stupid.
@draziom902 I didn't even use the word MIND, friend. And, as you well know, I can't prove that the mind exists in the brain any more than you can prove it does not. Actually, I do actually believe that the CONSCIOUSNESS exists separately from the physical body, but consciousness uses the brain as a filter through which it perceives and interprets the world around it... and I will repeat again my belief that the brain is a physical body part, and like any other, is subject to breaking down.
@Kaileocomial The mind is not a physical body part. The brain is. psychiatrists do not deal with fixing the brain. they damage it causing the mind to become unbalanced. As you get older your psych-meds will take their toll on your body and mind and you will regret the day you took psychiatric toxins. When you see your psychiatrist at your next appointment take a whiff in the air and smell the stinky smell or urine and feces in th air if you can. Enjoy your psych-drugs. You in for big surprise.
@infinart Exactly. And they laugh while they take your soul and damage your brain and spinal cord. psychiatrists have beedy litto eyes, smell like urine and feces, have ugly scars on their frog-like skin. they have crooked eyes like one eye looks up to sky and one down to ground. they talk n flick they tongue n go "blalalalalalalalalaa". psychiatrist will take ur soul.
@draziom902 Quote: "And they laugh while they take your soul and damage your brain and spinal cord" - Hey, great! Your scientology cult and psychotherapy have something in common!
If I am a schizophrenic and hallucinating or have epilepsy (seizures) this ignorant reassurance that I may be a holy man in India, does not help my quality of life. It doesn't matter what you call it, these behaviors exist, are documented, recurring, and respond to the same treatments. This guy was no good at double-speak. If you were convinced by his arguments... the appeal to emotion at the end and equating psychiatrists with Nazis was the big clue for those of you fooled up till then...
@lenks0 Schizophrenia does not exist. It is a fraud. Mental distress exists but is not a physical matter. Psychiatric drugs cause more harm than good. Mental distress is caused by an ALWAYS underlying PHYSICAL problem. Look further testing and you shall find the cause.
@draziom902 What would you say about the people who hear voices and those who have social phobia and can't even hold down a job? Think theres nothing wrong with them? Really retard...
@3nderoX I say they are suffering mental distress and have a spiritual and underlying undiagnosed REAL physical problem manifesting their mental suffering. I do NOT believe they have a brain chemical imbalance that need psychiatric toxins that psychiatrists say will re-balance faulty neurotransmitters. Mental illness does not exist. Real illness is PHYSICAL. Mental suffering always has a physical underlying cause. Undiagnosed. Once it is found and treated the person returns to normal.
instead of talking about whether or not these illnesses exist I think we should be focusing on finding better ways of treating them and preventing them
@leotveter yes I did mate.......psychiatric medications and psychiatry serve their purpose....these are REAL physiological abnormalities whether you want to call them deseases or not and I agree that people have become dependent on some of these drugs instead of finding other ways to treat their condition........but psychiatric medication have been shown to improve the quality of life of many people stricken with these conditions and to to denounce psychiatry as he does is ludicrous
@vaportrails77 There are alternatives for mental distress. there is no such thing as "mental illness". Thats not what illnesses are. Psychiatrists cause mental suffering and physical damage. You are dead wrong in what you stated.
my main criticism is that if mental illness does not exist than why do we find the same core symptoms of these "illnesses", particularly psychosis, in different cultures all around the world (auditory hallucinations, paranoid and referential delusions, severe catatonia). And there has been medical studies about changes in the brain's function and structure with those in psychoses that go untreated for long periods of time.....wishful thinking
I have met Jeff in person several times (my mother knows him very well) and the man is brilliant. It's a shame that he doesn't get the respect he deserves from many of his colleagues.
If a person tells us they have a problem, then they likely feel like they do! If we shrug all of these things off to disease, we will find that we are not much help. This is true even with physical ailments. More often these are manifestations of difficulties understanding or managing life. We are powerless to a material body with the diagnosis of disease! Mind is always what is in control. ;)
thanks wise man. now we know psychopaths don't belong into psychiatry but into scientology. but i don't need to tell that, every no-brainwashed knows that. At 7:31 when he speaks so proudly about the nazis, he should see what scientology is doing with their critics. how they pursuit them and allege them of things they never did.
What the hell does Scientology know about psychiatry? This cult exists since 1953 and was founded by a science fiction writer. His main goal was to make money.
ask a psychiatrist - do you have secret thoughts and desires? is there anything in your mind that you would be afraid to reveal to someone? do you have thoughts about someone while you are speaking to them - which go unsaid? Do you have sexual thoughts about people, essentially raping them in your mind? All human beings allow this secrecy - but it is not an illness, and drugs do not stop it. It is who we accept ourselves to be - only we ourselves can stop ourselves
drugs and hospitalization are methods of controlling and suppressing behavior and creating dependence on 'treatment' by continuing to accept that there is an 'illness' and 'disease'
the individual is not supported to take responsibility for their behavior and thoughts, to be able to achieve stability through stopping self-harmful or unsupportive or impractical thoughts and behavior for themselves because behavior is NOT understood by psychiatrists
thoughts, desires, fears, neuroses, behavior - is patterns resulting from environmental programming and influences - where the individual developed patterns of thought / behavior as a result of not having an effective way to deal with experiences / situations, and ideas / beliefs were formed towards self and others
"And His family came and took hold of Him saying He is out of His mind."
Jesus' own family said he was insane.
Diagnosis of "mental illness" is political.
The Pharisees also told others to ignore Jesus because they claimed he was "mentally ill."
I'm not a Christian but it's clear that people who think independently and refuse to obey those more powerful are labeled as mentally ill and punished. Marginalizing those with courage and independence by psychiatric diagnosis.
I'm not religious. I don't believe in Jesus, Budha or Mohammed. My statement was made only in support Dr Schaller's assertion that any independent thinkers, would be labeled as mentally ill by psychiatrists because they challenged authority. According to the Bible, Jesus was labeled as mentally ill.
This is an "ad hominen" attack. Instead of arguing the merits of the person's beliefs/facts, they attack the person. It's a logical fallacy.
i mean if you have "bipolar mania" and you think you are batman you might as well kill yourself if you can't discern reality from ur delusions. and MAYBE your delusions are just underlying issues that you have to grow up and face.
In 100 years or less, Psychiatry will history. For those that can't see it, the writing is on the wall already. I have faith in the human race, we will progress past the barbarism of Psychiatry. The global mental illness called 'Psychiatry' will soon be discarded along with their quack drugs and pseudoscience disorders.
psychiatrists were behind the Yugoslav wars[42] and that September 11 was caused by psychiatrists.[43] In the advanced OT courses Scientologists are told that psychiatrists caused havoc across the universe billions of years ago
They also tortured and murdered 10-year-old Candace Newmaker, murdered 4-year-old Rebecca Riley and the list goes fucking on.
If you had any sense of humanity you would raid their prisons and burn those sick motherfuckers responsible alive. I'd do it myself but I'm off the continent...
The Church teaches a "Space Opera" history of the universe to Scientologists graded at the level of Operating Thetan and above. Events are told of which allegedly happened billions and even trillions of years ago (contradicting science's estimated age of the universe),IN WHICH PSYCHIATRY WAS USED AS A TOOL OF OPPRESSION BY EVIL ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!111
In 1966 Hubbard declared all-out war on psychiatry, telling Scientologists that "We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one."
the TRUTH ABOUT MENTAL ILLNESSES IS THEY ARE CREATED BY PSYCHIATRISTS. FOR CENTURIES THESE FAKE DOCTORS HAVE GIVEN INJECTIONS AND FAKE TREATMENTS TO PEOPLE
So you choose to believe the claims that mental illnesses were "made up" by money-hungry individuals for their own personal gain while totally ignoring the observable behaviors of individuals with legitimate mental disorders?
Just b/c we aren't advanced enough to be able to localize and understand all of the neurophysiology associated with mental disorders doesn't mean that 1) we won't be able to in the near future, and 2) that there isn't a mental disorder present.
Observations can mean anything you want em to mean. If I tell you I was sacked by aliens, how do you know if I am genuinely delusional or of I'm just pulling weird shit outta my ass for attention? Until you know the biological entity that's causing this, you will never know why the hell I'm some weird fucker who has wet dreams about being gangbanged by bulgey-eyed green men.
How do you know that a hyperactive kid with mood swings isn't just acting like every typical kid who's developing emotionally and mentally. Look up Rebecca Riley, a 2 year old diagnosed with ADHD. A FUCKING 2-YEAR-OLD! A toddler who can barely utter a sentence. She ain't around any more. Seroquel is powerful enough to kill an adult, let alone a baby.
About disecting ADHD: if any assessment is based upon psychotherapy then it's automatically bullshit and unreliable.
Why do you believe a kid with ADHD makes him a dropout? I was diagnosed with ADHD and I'm doin fine, I took a GED this year and I passed without even doing the prep. People with ADHD are known to be way smarter than their cockjockey detractors.
But I wouldnt be surprised why many grow up to be fuckups considering they're legally prescribed c0ke and labeled as a fucking invalid. To be picked on by your classmates is one thing. You should be able to fend for yourself unless you were born with one nut. But to be picked on by adult officials... by the fucking state? That's not shit a 10-year-old needs to deal with. And frankly, labeling a kid and givin him c0ke? Ive sold primos b4, but I didn't sell em to little kids, okay motherfuckers?
You are totally right!!! These evil "psychiatrists" have NO business prescribing this poison to ANYONE!!
But what is more troubling is a parent who would bring a two year old to see a psychiatrist in the first place. Then allow the psychiatrist to prescribe "medicine" to
a two year old??????
I hate to say it but; "parents" who can't put up with a child acting as such, have no right having any. They will have to live with their SELFISH STUPIDITY everyday!!!!!!
@The7776 sometimes you need to stop being irrational n start thinking.
think about autism, think about schizophrenics and bipolars , who are suffering from all these disorders. autism can be recognized at age of 2... many psychiatrist are helping ppl. you just don't understand how. and i feel sorry for psychiatrist, cuz they've to go through this, due to lack of knowledge in the society
In regard to your ADHD statement: whether you agree with it or not, neuropsychological assessments and other diagnostic measures have the capability to differentiate between someone with ADHD and another without.
Would you recommend that children with ADHD suffer the lack of an education b/c they can't concentrate and succeed?
I respect your standpoint, but in my humble opinion, I find your reasoning to be fallible: are you 100% positive ghosts don't exist, simply b/c you have never seen one?
The only way to treat your schizophrenia is to start realizing the hallucinations you're experiencing are hallucinations and learn to fucking ignore them.
P.S. You sir, love the cock. And I hereby diagnose you with malignant dipshit syndrome. I prescribe you a suggestion to become an hero immediately.
@Xpenguin17revived- Don't ignore them, Stop them. Look within yourself with self honesty, breathe,apply self forgiveness and realize 'thoughts, feelings' and emotions' are not real as who we really are, and stop your participations within and as them. Thankyou for this video! Honest factual information for a world that has accepted and allowed the lies they were told to beLIEve were real.
What exactly shall I refute? You say the DSM-iv (and the Bible) is horseshit, and that's your subjective (and erroneous) opinion. You didn't make any valid point that is even refutable; your statements are cow manure, and that's being generous.
Now you prove to me that mental illness doesn't exist b/c that is an extremely bold statement.
The burden of proof is on the claimant.None of the mental illnesses were discovered via scientific testing. Just some opportunistic bullshitters makin a living by inventing horseshit by exploiting uneducated retards, diagnosed and undiagnosed alike. Where is the proof ADHD is a disorder? What exactly is the neural mechanism responsible for ADHD. How do you identify and cure it?
Mental illnesses cant be tested because you cant do experiments on human subjects. What part of this dont you get?
Drugs appear to mask the problems b/c a lot of times they don't cure the problems; do you know why? Many mental disorders are currently incurable...
Does that mean that they should be left alone to progress and increase in severity? Absolutely not; it is b/c people with, for example, schizophrenia, aren't treated medically that they end up killing strangers they've never met with the claw end of a hammer on a subway!
So in that regard, drugs don't mask the problem; they help control it!
This guy is a total retard... he's calling the DSM-IV fiction, and he is praising his precious LRH who developed scientology based on science-fiction... whack jobs, all of them...
While I agree Scientology members are pathetic fuckjobs, you rank twice the fucking retard if you're incapable of putting two and two together. Focus on the logic he eloquently spelled out to you. The DSM is a bigger pile of horseshit than the Bible itself. Where are the biological tests that prove the fucking illnesses? You can't do the tests because you can't experiment on people without gettin locked up. So how do you prove behaviors to be illnesses?
lol I pity you and the brainwashed retard speaking in the video. You both have something in common; you're lost. Don't talk so much next time though b/c all you're saying is the bullshit your inbred mother fed you as a little queer child.
Nice attempt at trying to sound educated though twat chops...
This guy is stupid. If he one day accidentally damaged his frontal lobes he wouldn't be saying the same thing about the "invention" of mental illness. Severe debilitating mental illness is SUFFERING. Treatment offers the CHOICE to not have to experience the symptoms of illness. It's societies fault that people aren't as accepting of people who have abnormal behaviors and thought etc, and of COURSE sanity is a social construct, but we still need to offer the choice not to suffer through illness.
lol at the "Dr." title. He is not a physician, this dude is a psychologist, who clearly wasn't smart enough to get into med school so hes trashing the profession.
first of all, i agree that he is a total idiot... but psychologists also get the title Dr. I am training to become a neuropsychologist, and you can ask people who are in med school (i.e. my wife); they will confirm that getting a Ph.D. is just as hard as medical school, easier in some ways, and harder in others... please don't let this dumbass create a bad image for legitimate, intelligent psychologists.
no your right, I'm sorry for making that comment. I was just referring to this idiot as a nutjob, who is trying in this video to speak as though he has a specific authority...
Medicine is not about authority you retarded jackmaster. It's about science and evidence. Psychology is a fucking cult, join it and you may become its favorite cunt.
Schizophrenia can be identified using an MRI. Genetics do have a basis, but it takes the environment to activate those predispositions. Schizophrenia is very scary, this is video has a lot of pseudoscience. He has some points but he is oversimplifying the situation and basing his assumptions on out of date practices. However I agree we should NOT punish crime, we need non-punitive rehabilitation. We are all one. Please check out zeitgeist addendum and the venus project if you agree with me
It's true but guess what, you will probably meet another human in your life time. So licking a door knob every 5 minutes and tearing the heads off kittens is not going to settle well with your fellow humans(depending where you live..) So if the point Dr.Schaler is trying to make is that mental illness is bullshit, he's just wrong.
It's true but guess what, you will probably meet another human in your life time. So licking a door knob every 5 minutes and tearing the heads off kittens is not going to settle well with your fellow humans(depending where you live..) So if the point Dr.Schaler is trying to make is that mental illness is bullshit, he's just wrong. I may have this all wrong though. Maybe he means it is even tougher to diagnose someone with a mental disease than a physical..
I hate it when someone who is trying to enlighten the world uses a non invent like th holocaust to help make his point. It just proves that people can be very informed in one area while being a complete victim of propaganda in another. If this man, who rightly points out that Psychiatry is not a science, would apply the same scientific standards to the holocaust he would discover that the holocaust is really a holohoax.
You were rignt about Dr Fisher. I saw the dinner video. I misjudged him.
I did a little searching. There is no definitive physical test for mental illness (brain scan, autopsy, blood, etc). On that we can agree. The sites I visited alluded to circumstantial evidence of brain chemistry, but did not provide references (although I haven't had time to look too hard yet.)
The evidence is in the clinical effectiveness of drug treatments, which I'll try and get. Later.
Okay. Deal. I must have missed this comment before. It will take me time to locate a scientific reference (a couple of days), but I can do it. I know professionals.
Incidentally, I did look at Dr Fisher on youtube, and he doesn't deny mental illness, he disagrees with part of the orthodox approach. Healthy dissent is a crucial part of any scientific field.
Look up "Pschiatrist Daniel Fisher talks about hope and recovery" by richdesserts
However, things really are different now than they were even in the 1950's. We have a lot more knowledge of how the brain works, the harm of certian procedures,and society has become more aware of the abuses. (Society[at least in the US]is also a lot different now than it was back then).
Looking at it from a historical perspective, it's perfectly understandable how you would reach those conclusions, and there's still some abuse, but there's also a lot of good that psychiarty does.
Yes, I agree, there have been a lot of awful things done in the name of psychiatry, even in the recent past(like lobotomies, electroshocks, experimenting with harmful drugs).
I think that society has allowed these things because there is a lot of prejudice against people who appear to be different, especially the mentally ill. (Some may not have been mentally ill, just different)
This should read: electroshock is SOMETIMES a SLIGHTLY effective treatment for SOME depressed people. Nothing is "always" or "for sure" in the world of mental health!! I know for a fact many times it does NOT work at all....let it kill a few of your brain cells and write back please.
A bullet to the brain is also a cure for most ills. Psychiatry was always high plains fraud, shameless brainwash, only a Nazi trick to stick people with dangerous pharmaceuticals and keep them from finding out what the gov/med has already done to them with vaccs, amalgams and other substances.
If what you're saying is true, I can understand how you came to the conclusions that you did. (That's news to me though, about the shelters.) However, that's society, that's not the psychiatric professionals. I'm not sure I follow your reasoning regarding keeping them homeless intentionally.
The fact that people who take antidepressant medications and seek psychiatric treatment live happier lives and are less likely to end up homeless or commiting a crime. That's the evidence. If it didn't exist, psychiatry wouldn't be in buisness. How do you think they get people to keep coming? Do they brainwash people?
Like I said, look at scientific or medical periodicals, look at their studies. After you've done that, then feel free to critique them.
I didn't say "cure", I said "treatment". There's a difference. There is no cure for mental illness, but, like many other incurable medical conditions, it is treatable for many people.
As far as these people who you are claiming get "cured" by stopping treatment, show me that in a scientific study. While you're at it, look up Jeremy Perkins. He was schitzophrenic. His nut-job scientologist mother wouldn't let him have psychiatric treatment. Guess where they are now?
I don't know where you are getting your numbers from, but no company would test a drug on fifty people and then market it. That's far too small a sampling size.
Shifting the burden of proof on the opponent is an old trick. Anyone who makes any claim has a burden of evidence on them, whether that claim is for the existence or the non-existence of something.
Even making the weaker claim of a lack of evidence for something still requires analysing the opponent's purported evidence, which this guy does not do.
I'm not sure how you define proof. The sucessfulness of psychiatric treatment on many patients is evidence that it works. I personally know people who've benefited from psychiatric care.
Do you think people would pay psychiatrists money to help them if they didn't benefit anyone? What kind of 'proof' are you looking for? A urine test for depression? You don't think that pharmacutical companies test antidepressant drugs for effectiveness before marketing them?
When did I ever say looking for evidence was wrong? I just said that you should be prepared to cite evidence if you make a speech like that guy does, and he doesn't back his claims up with evidence. Nice try at twisting my words around.
Evidence? Wellll, why don't you try looking at medical journals, that have documented research on these things? Go to your university or public library's periodicals catalog. Try the American Journal of Psychiatry. What research does this guy cite? None.
I would like to add that it's a common debate trick to turn the question on the opponent when you can't answer it. You couldn't provide evidence and so you turned it around and asked me for it.
"If you want evidence, you first must have the desire to look for evidence"? That's a complete cop-out to just avoid backing your claims. Then you can always claim that you have facts that your opponent doesn't.
My only "vested interest" is in making sure that children don't get deprived medical care by parents who've been duped by this charlaton.
As far as logic, his logic was completely flawed, and his arguments based on ignorance.
At no point in this guy's rambling did he come close to any kind of scientific study. Not one piece of evidence, not any source of information. Just a bunch of emotional anecdotes. This guy really is dangerous. There are some people who will believe him, and wil deny thier children medical care.
The ultimate and most evil thing you can do to a person is tell them they need a shrink just because you don't like them or something they do. Not only is it supremely arrogant and small-minded, it is intended to redefine them as ill when they simply do something you don't like. Also, the goal or hope in it is to get others to do the same, others in power, so you can be harmed. It shows malice and evil in a person when they tell others to do this who do nothing especially strange.
As funny as his comparisons to cancer are, he's full of shit. Schizophrenia is not just someone doing what the rest of society dislikes - many of them see and hear things which are not there. That is illness, it interferes with their everyday life. How can people be so ignorant!?
How do you know it is not there? Do you presume that something which is not seen/discovered yet, does not exists? Sorry, this is not the scientific attitude, never will be. 100 years ago it was impossible to fly...today 700 persons fly together in planes... defend something you know for sure! psychiatry knows NOTHING, ALSO TREATS NOTHING ! CAN YOU CHANGE THAT ???? BE MY GUEST THEN
WTF, you need THERAPY lol. If people hear things that other people can't hear, or see things that other people can't see, or that can't be picked up on a video camera or whatever, you have no proof that what they're seeing is real. You're like a creationist. Of course it's impossible to completely prove the non-existence of something. But we can prove it beyong all REASONABLE doubt. Why don't you prove that what they hallucinate DOES exist? You sure as idiots can't.
U say: "If people hear things that other people can't hear, or see" ...Are you the ultimate judge of who are in the first category and whos's in the second? So electricity, because we cannot see it, nor pick it up on camera, does not exist? Hahaha and your PC works on fried potatoes! hahhahhaaa. Don't you see that psychiatry ALWAYS tried to exist BY BRUTAL FORCE although NO CURE?!?!?! Are you a shrink? :))) go unlearn everything, it is discriminating bullshit made for gaining easy money...
Electricity we can test and prove that it's there. Hallucinations we cannot.
While it's true psychiatry has made some stupid mistakes in the past, so has every other human science. Anything that can be used for "good" can be used for "evil". Nuclear power, the internet, vehicles. Psychiatry itself is neither good nor bad, it's the people who use it that you should worry about. And most psychs are helping people, not harming them.
I'm not a shrink. I'm bored, otherwise you wouldn't be worth it.
In short chemicals in the brain cause emotional reaction. Biological causality is evident in the fields. I do not know enough to give incredible details on the molecular biology, but i know enough to understand in rough how memories are formed and how emotions are expressed at a biological level. Which means psychiatric disorders as a medical/biological application do exist.
Many people, including me would consider your opinion of mans psychological nature quite vulgar. The materialist believes that mans emotions and thoughts are caused by chemical reactions in his brain. A spiritualist believes it is the other way around. Can you prove that your opinion is the right one?
It must be sad to not know what schizophrenia is. If someone is seeing and hearing things that aren't really there, they're mentally ill and they don't need someone else to say it for it to be true.
A major magic trick of psychiatry is that the addictive drugs causes patients to loose mental abilities, such as memory that the patient felt better and had better memory, before the drug therapy began. The miracle healing medical doctor then tells the patient that they are very sick and getting sicker, and hope is only in taking more miracle healing psychiatric drugs, which only causes the problem to get worse and worse ( until the patient wakes up, and goes cold turkey to get off the drugs ).
still you gotta have problems in your life to be trastorned, plus jesus we could not diagnose him as we can't certanly know what he did, he could be a perfect mental normal guy and still with the passover the years his story was hyperbolic into the presents day
"We wish to pursue the truth no matter where it leads, but to find the truth we need imagination and skepticism both. We will not be afraid to speculate, but we will be careful to distinguish speculation from fact." - Guess who
Let me be specifically clear in my assertions. I'm not saying that Carl Sagan entirely oppose applied sciences, nor did he try to discredit deductive reasoning, but that his principles to science were purist, he spoked out against the mass funding for applied sciences, but didn't speak out against applied sciences entirely, but he didn't favor it over natural sciences. And ultimately, and no Saganist can argue this, he was adamant in his belief that *ALL* science should be objective.
The irony is that if psychiatry did find a brain abnormality that could be directly attributed to schizophrenia without a doubt, that it would no longer even be in a domain of psychiatry -- it would go to neurology. Of course, neuropsychiatry is on the way to fake science using P.E.T. scans and I've spoken to numerous neuroscientists who are opposed to this, but again, if they did truly find anything scientific, it'd go to neurology.
I hope you see how this resembles psychiatry. To be of valid science, the entity must first be discovered as matter. Psychiatry had declared it's premise true and convinced others, and now it seeks to catch up to the improbability that searching for what they had not found will make them legitimate someday -- that their material evidence will be found. Any science trying to catch up to it's own assumably true idea's, is not valid science. It's the ambition of human, in this case, over others.
Deductive reasoning makes the best argument for the existence of god. Inductive reasoning makes a pretty weak one, "Those tree's exist and weren't born... There must be a god", of course others following inductive reasoning will discover that tree's grow from seeds. Now if I used deductive reasoning, especially in a time where the premise that "God exists" was widely believed, I could pull a book called the bible on you, and storm you with undeniable arguments while we argue the premise.
"It just seems morally wrong to sue for something that is free (albeit out of the taxpayers money)." Yeah because getting ripped off is the only *real* issue, we all know that lives, even millions of lives, being ravaged and wrecked by psychiatry is some scientology myth with something to do with Hubbards long held war with Lord Xenu. Only one illness missing - Narrow minded disorder; The tunntel visioned frame of mind developed for obedient servitude without regard for critical thinking + logic
"many people getting healed by psychiatric medication" How can you judge that? What was the condition? Behavior? So then what healed them? They quit bothering you? A schizophrenic is insane for being extreme and mentally wild, thus a neuroleptic inducing brain damage heals them? How the fuck do you people sleep at night? How can somebody he healed of something that is not ailing them? If a schizo is having financial or social difficulties, it is not because of their brain, it is because of ppl!
And for all you ignorant sheeple fucks who think that scientology is a source of anti psychiatry, you're wrong. Anti psychiatry has been around for hundreds of years, long before scientology, and anyone with a touch of logic, I.E. not a norm, can realize simply why -- they are a bizarre religion, and bizarre=mental illness, mental illness=mental health treatment, and mental health treatment *IS* oppression! Disagree? FOLLOW MY EXPERIMENT THEN (go to hospital, speak of voices), OTHERWISE, STFU!
crap to this. this person has no idea. maybe in your country psychiatry is for gaining power you are a poor person. in germany psychiatrists are quite decent and I have seen many people getting healed by psychiatric medication
It's encouraging that you don't see it too much. I'm from U.S., and I know a few doctors and psychiatrists who are constantly under pressure (not duress, but are "bribed," in a sense) to prescribe new drugs. In my expereince, this is true for all doctors who are able to recommend drugs and write a prescription, and is in no way limited to Psychiatrists.
Indeed, Scientology is unfair to Psychiatry. In your field, you probably (and maybe not) see some doctors who are too liberal with medication, and pharmecudical companies bribing said doctors with food (lunches, in my experience). On the other hand, you are surrounded by people who are committed to helping patients who can't help themselves. Scientology uses any misuse of psychiatry to attack the entire community, which a very possitive institution on the whole.
He's a great speaker and very convincing...if you don't know anything about mental illness. He's clouding the issue, and notice that he does not give one example. It's all hypothetical, and he tells us what people would do, but can anyone show me one example that really demonstrates any of his claims? Please, email me, I'll respond to you.
sbadd, read Elliot Valensteins (Ph.d neuroscientist) "blaming the brain", and google mindfreedom-neuroleptic brain damage. It's been known through scientific experiments in monkeys for ages that neuroleptics can cause actual cell death, resulting in a almost cancer-like effect on the brain, destroying it even long after the drug is discontinued, and psychiatry attributes this to the illness, when in fact is re-creatable in monkeys given neuroleptics. You people all deserve to suffer, not us.
There is nothing sicker in this world, not even the war in iraq, than damaging somebodies brain -- especially as a child -- with drugs whose only valid use is in behavioral control, and then attributing the psychological, biological and emotional difficulties they will encounter throughout their lives to a made up illness instead of the behavior modification agent. My childhood was ravaged in misery by neuroleptic drugs, and I get to live in a world that doesn't realize it. *that* makes me ill.
Well, medical science was never always the mighty force it is now. Think about it, doctors used to go about 'Curing' people by slicing all their limbs off, covering them in honey then dancing until midnight. Psychological treatment may not seem completely flawless yet, but in time, advancements will be made! And that my friends is the beauty of science.
ColonelMcboot 2 weeks ago
Ron Paul 2012 for President
Paul if fan of Szasz both libertarians
RunLiberty 2 months ago 2
@mulletrow ask any oncologist there is no cure only "treatments".... so the fuck what? Cancer shouldnt be treated based on your logic or does it not exist? Because cures dont exist the disease doesnt?
msss432 2 months ago
There are no clinical tests or imaging for headaches.... they can't be proven.... yet no one argues they dont exist... while there is a history of psychiatry controlling people in the past... and certainly abuses of the practice exist but it is unbelievably stupid to claim mental illness doesntt exist.... "personality" and simply being different doesnt explain the long list of mental illness that cause distress and lack of functioning in people's lives....
msss432 2 months ago
@scooma1 And yes, libertarian socialism would minimize the emotional suffering many people seem to be going through. I'll take that as a solution over Scientology any day. Everything is fucked up in our society- our schools, our communities, our priorities.....our very social consciousness has been warped by capitalism and their henchmen (at times they've actually used psychiatrists to manipulate the public). This isnt to say people don't suffer from mental problems no matter which culture.
crud4 2 months ago
@scooma1 Also look into Edward Bernays. "The Century Of Self" is a great documentary.
crud4 2 months ago
@scooma1 I don't deny psychiatry is a giant...no I mean GIANT fraud..what needs to be discussed is the cause of the modern social neurosis( it's not some alien) . It's a sick society and there will never be a perfect utopia but what we see now is a result of targeted, how shall we say, brainwashing? It sounds so paranoid to say society is brainwashed but look up Edward Bernays. He colluded with capitalists to mind fuck the entire world. BREAK THE SPELL. COPY/PASTE= youtube code= Myu74VAN92Q
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Sooner or later people will wake up the truth of our world..face the truth of our demons, and stop running from it through the many lies of these so called sciences...
blaspid 2 months ago
This isn't to sat Scientologists are rational human beings. The entire world is one giant joke speeding through the universe millions of miles per hour for billions of years and in the end, 100 years from now, no one will even know you existed. Don't spend your time worrying about the thought police or any silly subjective social construct of man. Do what you have to do to stay alive while having fun with it all. Nothing matters and this fact should make you happy.
crud4 6 months ago
It's by in large meant to normalize the modern capitalist system and the culture it creates. There's always been certifiably crazy people but what we see in modern times is just out of control. Another not so funny fact is Freud's sister (who is the founder of child psychology)used one of her friends kids as guinea pigs to form her theories...needless to say all of the kids committed suicide as adults. What does that tell you?
crud4 6 months ago
Capitalism causes alienation, depression and an almost complete separation of the individual with a sense of community people once felt. Take a average psychiatrist who's prescribing anti depressants to anyone and everyone back in time or to a community where humans aren't a commodity or rat on a wheel making profits for others while being targeted 24/7 by adverts and such and you'll see a psychiatrist with next to no patients. Capitalism and the culture it creates is the problem.
crud4 6 months ago
psychiatry has helped a lot of people and hurt a lot of people. let's leave it at that
6895997 9 months ago
@6895997 or lets not be ignorant human beings and listen to the patients ACTUAL needs.
cwbskateboarding 3 months ago
@cwbskateboarding many psychiatrists do ... then again, many do not
6895997 3 months ago
So what he's saying is that there is no such thing as mental health. If you have seen a person who is acutely psychotic or depressed or manic you quickly realise that this is absurd.
The fact is that there is such a thing as mental illness and the definition of conditions that fall under its banner are more subtle than if someone drops dead from a heart attack. An intelligent person should discern that something can exist without being able to be specifically quantified
MrCaptainCourageous 1 year ago
If schizophrenia doesn't exist, why might a person have a higher risk if a relative has it (6.5%)? Ref: h t t p ://w w w .ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1914490/pdf/bmj-335-7610-cr-00091.pdf
Some people are clearly predisposed to behave a certain way (whether through genes or environmental factors), and if it interferes with their life and others why should they not be able to correct it?
CptnYork 1 year ago
One thing I can say that I really hate is when people blame their bad behavior on their " illness." Saying that you have an illness can be used to disguise what your true intentions are.
ItNice26 1 year ago
@ItNice26 not if it really IS down to your illness though. it is possible for people to act in a totally different manner when ill and have no idea what they were doing once they are better or in a better frame of mind. what annoys me is anyone who hasnt been through schizophrenia sayin what you did, you will have no idea how it affects a person, sometimes they dont even know who they are or remember their actions. psychiatry is wrong and is nasty i agree but real mental illness does exist
TheMrmoonlight 1 year ago
What Jeffrey Schaler is saying about psychiatry is similar to the criticisms of addiction treatment.. Addiction is another problem which has been wrongly diagnosed as a brain disease. I believe he has also spoken out against the addiction treatment industry.
prschuster 1 year ago
psychiatry, psychiatrists are the most CRIMINAL SUBHUMAN dregs of society it is an absolute disgust. It is time to rid psychiatrists from this world. start today before more innocent people die under psychiatrists laughing while killing innocent human beings.
draziom902 1 year ago
Many, maybe even most, psychological illnesses may be socially related, but the brain is a BODY PART just like the rest of us. In fact, it is the most intricately complicated part of our whole bodies. To insist that nothing could ever be physically or chemically wrong with it is just stupid.
Kaileocomial 1 year ago
@Kaileocomial The minds is NOT MATTER. You are DEAD wrong. Prove to me that MIND is physical like the BRAIN. PROVE IT.
draziom902 1 year ago
@draziom902 I didn't even use the word MIND, friend. And, as you well know, I can't prove that the mind exists in the brain any more than you can prove it does not. Actually, I do actually believe that the CONSCIOUSNESS exists separately from the physical body, but consciousness uses the brain as a filter through which it perceives and interprets the world around it... and I will repeat again my belief that the brain is a physical body part, and like any other, is subject to breaking down.
Kaileocomial 1 year ago
@Kaileocomial The mind is not a physical body part. The brain is. psychiatrists do not deal with fixing the brain. they damage it causing the mind to become unbalanced. As you get older your psych-meds will take their toll on your body and mind and you will regret the day you took psychiatric toxins. When you see your psychiatrist at your next appointment take a whiff in the air and smell the stinky smell or urine and feces in th air if you can. Enjoy your psych-drugs. You in for big surprise.
draziom902 1 year ago
@Kaileocomial Prove to me the psychiatry is a science like neurology. I know you cant prove it to meh.
draziom902 1 year ago
Psychiatry is about controlling you.
infinart 1 year ago
@infinart Exactly. And they laugh while they take your soul and damage your brain and spinal cord. psychiatrists have beedy litto eyes, smell like urine and feces, have ugly scars on their frog-like skin. they have crooked eyes like one eye looks up to sky and one down to ground. they talk n flick they tongue n go "blalalalalalalalalaa". psychiatrist will take ur soul.
draziom902 1 year ago
@draziom902 Quote: "And they laugh while they take your soul and damage your brain and spinal cord" - Hey, great! Your scientology cult and psychotherapy have something in common!
Belikel 1 year ago
@infinart You got it.
SuperDelta000 4 months ago
If I am a schizophrenic and hallucinating or have epilepsy (seizures) this ignorant reassurance that I may be a holy man in India, does not help my quality of life. It doesn't matter what you call it, these behaviors exist, are documented, recurring, and respond to the same treatments. This guy was no good at double-speak. If you were convinced by his arguments... the appeal to emotion at the end and equating psychiatrists with Nazis was the big clue for those of you fooled up till then...
lenks0 1 year ago
@lenks0 Schizophrenia does not exist. It is a fraud. Mental distress exists but is not a physical matter. Psychiatric drugs cause more harm than good. Mental distress is caused by an ALWAYS underlying PHYSICAL problem. Look further testing and you shall find the cause.
draziom902 1 year ago
@draziom902 What would you say about the people who hear voices and those who have social phobia and can't even hold down a job? Think theres nothing wrong with them? Really retard...
3nderoX 1 year ago
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@3nderoX I say they are suffering mental distress and have a spiritual and underlying undiagnosed REAL physical problem manifesting their mental suffering. I do NOT believe they have a brain chemical imbalance that need psychiatric toxins that psychiatrists say will re-balance faulty neurotransmitters. Mental illness does not exist. Real illness is PHYSICAL. Mental suffering always has a physical underlying cause. Undiagnosed. Once it is found and treated the person returns to normal.
draziom902 1 year ago
@lenks0 Your wrong. There's no definition of "normal". You've been told what you feel is not you. Take your meds mmmmkaaaaaaaaaayyy? O-O
draziom902 1 year ago
instead of talking about whether or not these illnesses exist I think we should be focusing on finding better ways of treating them and preventing them
vaportrails77 1 year ago
@vaportrails77, mate... Did you not listen to his fucking speech?!?!
leotveter 1 year ago
@leotveter yes I did mate.......psychiatric medications and psychiatry serve their purpose....these are REAL physiological abnormalities whether you want to call them deseases or not and I agree that people have become dependent on some of these drugs instead of finding other ways to treat their condition........but psychiatric medication have been shown to improve the quality of life of many people stricken with these conditions and to to denounce psychiatry as he does is ludicrous
vaportrails77 1 year ago
@vaportrails77 There are alternatives for mental distress. there is no such thing as "mental illness". Thats not what illnesses are. Psychiatrists cause mental suffering and physical damage. You are dead wrong in what you stated.
draziom902 1 year ago
my main criticism is that if mental illness does not exist than why do we find the same core symptoms of these "illnesses", particularly psychosis, in different cultures all around the world (auditory hallucinations, paranoid and referential delusions, severe catatonia). And there has been medical studies about changes in the brain's function and structure with those in psychoses that go untreated for long periods of time.....wishful thinking
vaportrails77 1 year ago
Thank you for being on the right path. You and people like you are exactly what humanity needs.
chipsnyper06 1 year ago
I have met Jeff in person several times (my mother knows him very well) and the man is brilliant. It's a shame that he doesn't get the respect he deserves from many of his colleagues.
IcedEarth426 1 year ago 2
Ron Paul 2012 I believe he is a fan of Thomas Szasz
Rand Paul 2010
Peter Schiff 2010
RunLiberty 1 year ago
If a person tells us they have a problem, then they likely feel like they do! If we shrug all of these things off to disease, we will find that we are not much help. This is true even with physical ailments. More often these are manifestations of difficulties understanding or managing life. We are powerless to a material body with the diagnosis of disease! Mind is always what is in control. ;)
JudyOsmundson 1 year ago
yeah, now tell us the damages of depression.
kadpw7 1 year ago
thanks wise man. now we know psychopaths don't belong into psychiatry but into scientology. but i don't need to tell that, every no-brainwashed knows that. At 7:31 when he speaks so proudly about the nazis, he should see what scientology is doing with their critics. how they pursuit them and allege them of things they never did.
What the hell does Scientology know about psychiatry? This cult exists since 1953 and was founded by a science fiction writer. His main goal was to make money.
web262 1 year ago
psychiatry is a crime against humanity - reflecting the dishonest and abusive nature of people motivated by money and control
MattiFreeman1 1 year ago
@MattiFreeman1 Funny, you just described scientology quite concisely.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake
religion is also motivated by money and control
MatterFreeMan 1 year ago
@MatterFreeMan Indeed it is.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
ask a psychiatrist - do you have secret thoughts and desires? is there anything in your mind that you would be afraid to reveal to someone? do you have thoughts about someone while you are speaking to them - which go unsaid? Do you have sexual thoughts about people, essentially raping them in your mind? All human beings allow this secrecy - but it is not an illness, and drugs do not stop it. It is who we accept ourselves to be - only we ourselves can stop ourselves
MattiFreeman1 1 year ago
drugs and hospitalization are methods of controlling and suppressing behavior and creating dependence on 'treatment' by continuing to accept that there is an 'illness' and 'disease'
the individual is not supported to take responsibility for their behavior and thoughts, to be able to achieve stability through stopping self-harmful or unsupportive or impractical thoughts and behavior for themselves because behavior is NOT understood by psychiatrists
MattiFreeman1 1 year ago
thoughts, desires, fears, neuroses, behavior - is patterns resulting from environmental programming and influences - where the individual developed patterns of thought / behavior as a result of not having an effective way to deal with experiences / situations, and ideas / beliefs were formed towards self and others
MattiFreeman1 1 year ago 3
Money is the religion
Money is the god
Psychiatry is just another branch of greed and control for an elite society that fears its 'beasts of burden'
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The7776 1 year ago
Mark 3:21
"And His family came and took hold of Him saying He is out of His mind."
Jesus' own family said he was insane.
Diagnosis of "mental illness" is political.
The Pharisees also told others to ignore Jesus because they claimed he was "mentally ill."
I'm not a Christian but it's clear that people who think independently and refuse to obey those more powerful are labeled as mentally ill and punished. Marginalizing those with courage and independence by psychiatric diagnosis.
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I'm not religious. I don't believe in Jesus, Budha or Mohammed. My statement was made only in support Dr Schaller's assertion that any independent thinkers, would be labeled as mentally ill by psychiatrists because they challenged authority. According to the Bible, Jesus was labeled as mentally ill.
This is an "ad hominen" attack. Instead of arguing the merits of the person's beliefs/facts, they attack the person. It's a logical fallacy.
This video is NOT about religion or Christianity.
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The7776 1 year ago
i mean if you have "bipolar mania" and you think you are batman you might as well kill yourself if you can't discern reality from ur delusions. and MAYBE your delusions are just underlying issues that you have to grow up and face.
Diazt3r 2 years ago
its a shame that brilliant men like thomas szasz is automatically taken as a quack because Scientology endorses him lol.
absurdity at its best
and apparently opposition defiant disorder is an illness LOL that is what is absurd.
Diazt3r 2 years ago
Brilliant!!!
marimanque 2 years ago
In 100 years or less, Psychiatry will history. For those that can't see it, the writing is on the wall already. I have faith in the human race, we will progress past the barbarism of Psychiatry. The global mental illness called 'Psychiatry' will soon be discarded along with their quack drugs and pseudoscience disorders.
markeagles8008 2 years ago
psychiatrists were behind the Yugoslav wars[42] and that September 11 was caused by psychiatrists.[43] In the advanced OT courses Scientologists are told that psychiatrists caused havoc across the universe billions of years ago
stoneecold23 2 years ago
They also tortured and murdered 10-year-old Candace Newmaker, murdered 4-year-old Rebecca Riley and the list goes fucking on.
If you had any sense of humanity you would raid their prisons and burn those sick motherfuckers responsible alive. I'd do it myself but I'm off the continent...
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
The Church teaches a "Space Opera" history of the universe to Scientologists graded at the level of Operating Thetan and above. Events are told of which allegedly happened billions and even trillions of years ago (contradicting science's estimated age of the universe),IN WHICH PSYCHIATRY WAS USED AS A TOOL OF OPPRESSION BY EVIL ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!111
hahahahahah
stoneecold23 2 years ago
In 1966 Hubbard declared all-out war on psychiatry, telling Scientologists that "We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one."
stoneecold23 2 years ago
the TRUTH ABOUT MENTAL ILLNESSES IS THEY ARE CREATED BY PSYCHIATRISTS. FOR CENTURIES THESE FAKE DOCTORS HAVE GIVEN INJECTIONS AND FAKE TREATMENTS TO PEOPLE
stoneecold23 2 years ago
Of course, everybody knows it's body thetan clusters that get in the way of happiness.
TageSavage 2 years ago
The notion that the illnesses in the DSM are not backed by evidence is a fact, not opinion.
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
So you choose to believe the claims that mental illnesses were "made up" by money-hungry individuals for their own personal gain while totally ignoring the observable behaviors of individuals with legitimate mental disorders?
Just b/c we aren't advanced enough to be able to localize and understand all of the neurophysiology associated with mental disorders doesn't mean that 1) we won't be able to in the near future, and 2) that there isn't a mental disorder present.
Dado75 2 years ago
Observations can mean anything you want em to mean. If I tell you I was sacked by aliens, how do you know if I am genuinely delusional or of I'm just pulling weird shit outta my ass for attention? Until you know the biological entity that's causing this, you will never know why the hell I'm some weird fucker who has wet dreams about being gangbanged by bulgey-eyed green men.
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
How do you know that a hyperactive kid with mood swings isn't just acting like every typical kid who's developing emotionally and mentally. Look up Rebecca Riley, a 2 year old diagnosed with ADHD. A FUCKING 2-YEAR-OLD! A toddler who can barely utter a sentence. She ain't around any more. Seroquel is powerful enough to kill an adult, let alone a baby.
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
About disecting ADHD: if any assessment is based upon psychotherapy then it's automatically bullshit and unreliable.
Why do you believe a kid with ADHD makes him a dropout? I was diagnosed with ADHD and I'm doin fine, I took a GED this year and I passed without even doing the prep. People with ADHD are known to be way smarter than their cockjockey detractors.
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
But I wouldnt be surprised why many grow up to be fuckups considering they're legally prescribed c0ke and labeled as a fucking invalid. To be picked on by your classmates is one thing. You should be able to fend for yourself unless you were born with one nut. But to be picked on by adult officials... by the fucking state? That's not shit a 10-year-old needs to deal with. And frankly, labeling a kid and givin him c0ke? Ive sold primos b4, but I didn't sell em to little kids, okay motherfuckers?
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
You are totally right!!! These evil "psychiatrists" have NO business prescribing this poison to ANYONE!!
But what is more troubling is a parent who would bring a two year old to see a psychiatrist in the first place. Then allow the psychiatrist to prescribe "medicine" to
a two year old??????
I hate to say it but; "parents" who can't put up with a child acting as such, have no right having any. They will have to live with their SELFISH STUPIDITY everyday!!!!!!
Whatever that poor child did?
The7776 1 year ago 9
@The7776 sometimes you need to stop being irrational n start thinking.
think about autism, think about schizophrenics and bipolars , who are suffering from all these disorders. autism can be recognized at age of 2... many psychiatrist are helping ppl. you just don't understand how. and i feel sorry for psychiatrist, cuz they've to go through this, due to lack of knowledge in the society
AlirezaBehzadnia 1 month ago
In regard to your ADHD statement: whether you agree with it or not, neuropsychological assessments and other diagnostic measures have the capability to differentiate between someone with ADHD and another without.
Would you recommend that children with ADHD suffer the lack of an education b/c they can't concentrate and succeed?
I respect your standpoint, but in my humble opinion, I find your reasoning to be fallible: are you 100% positive ghosts don't exist, simply b/c you have never seen one?
Dado75 2 years ago
Ok Tom Cruise. It is also true that Lord Xenu came over here on DC-8's, and thetan levels are the cause of all our suffering.
The real way to treat schizophrenia is through vitamins! Not real medicine! Maybe L.Ron can read a bedtime story and he'll get better.
stoneecold23 2 years ago
THE ONLY WAY TO END THE FRAUD OF PSYCHIATRY IS TO DONATE MONEY TO THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY
PLEASE FORWARD $500 dollars to
Tom Cruise
Scientology Headquarters
18 Beverly Hill Drive
stoneecold23 2 years ago
The only way to treat your schizophrenia is to start realizing the hallucinations you're experiencing are hallucinations and learn to fucking ignore them.
P.S. You sir, love the cock. And I hereby diagnose you with malignant dipshit syndrome. I prescribe you a suggestion to become an hero immediately.
-"Dr." Xpenguin17
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago 2
@Xpenguin17revived- Don't ignore them, Stop them. Look within yourself with self honesty, breathe,apply self forgiveness and realize 'thoughts, feelings' and emotions' are not real as who we really are, and stop your participations within and as them. Thankyou for this video! Honest factual information for a world that has accepted and allowed the lies they were told to beLIEve were real.
clk211bu 1 year ago
What exactly shall I refute? You say the DSM-iv (and the Bible) is horseshit, and that's your subjective (and erroneous) opinion. You didn't make any valid point that is even refutable; your statements are cow manure, and that's being generous.
Now you prove to me that mental illness doesn't exist b/c that is an extremely bold statement.
Dado75 2 years ago
The burden of proof is on the claimant.None of the mental illnesses were discovered via scientific testing. Just some opportunistic bullshitters makin a living by inventing horseshit by exploiting uneducated retards, diagnosed and undiagnosed alike. Where is the proof ADHD is a disorder? What exactly is the neural mechanism responsible for ADHD. How do you identify and cure it?
Mental illnesses cant be tested because you cant do experiments on human subjects. What part of this dont you get?
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
Drugs appear to mask the problems b/c a lot of times they don't cure the problems; do you know why? Many mental disorders are currently incurable...
Does that mean that they should be left alone to progress and increase in severity? Absolutely not; it is b/c people with, for example, schizophrenia, aren't treated medically that they end up killing strangers they've never met with the claw end of a hammer on a subway!
So in that regard, drugs don't mask the problem; they help control it!
Dado75 2 years ago
Excellent presentation by Dr. Schaler.
Isabella8466 2 years ago
This guy is a total retard... he's calling the DSM-IV fiction, and he is praising his precious LRH who developed scientology based on science-fiction... whack jobs, all of them...
Dado75 2 years ago
While I agree Scientology members are pathetic fuckjobs, you rank twice the fucking retard if you're incapable of putting two and two together. Focus on the logic he eloquently spelled out to you. The DSM is a bigger pile of horseshit than the Bible itself. Where are the biological tests that prove the fucking illnesses? You can't do the tests because you can't experiment on people without gettin locked up. So how do you prove behaviors to be illnesses?
Think you dumb motherfucker.
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
lol I pity you and the brainwashed retard speaking in the video. You both have something in common; you're lost. Don't talk so much next time though b/c all you're saying is the bullshit your inbred mother fed you as a little queer child.
Nice attempt at trying to sound educated though twat chops...
Dado75 2 years ago
If you gonna type shit at least make it worth my time to read.
Refute my "bullshit." Demonstrate some logic, motherfucker.
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
This guy is stupid. If he one day accidentally damaged his frontal lobes he wouldn't be saying the same thing about the "invention" of mental illness. Severe debilitating mental illness is SUFFERING. Treatment offers the CHOICE to not have to experience the symptoms of illness. It's societies fault that people aren't as accepting of people who have abnormal behaviors and thought etc, and of COURSE sanity is a social construct, but we still need to offer the choice not to suffer through illness.
Conceptuldesignation 2 years ago
lol at the "Dr." title. He is not a physician, this dude is a psychologist, who clearly wasn't smart enough to get into med school so hes trashing the profession.
stoneecold23 2 years ago
first of all, i agree that he is a total idiot... but psychologists also get the title Dr. I am training to become a neuropsychologist, and you can ask people who are in med school (i.e. my wife); they will confirm that getting a Ph.D. is just as hard as medical school, easier in some ways, and harder in others... please don't let this dumbass create a bad image for legitimate, intelligent psychologists.
Dado75 2 years ago
no your right, I'm sorry for making that comment. I was just referring to this idiot as a nutjob, who is trying in this video to speak as though he has a specific authority...
stoneecold23 2 years ago
not a problem; I see what you meant, but regardless, thank you for the apology :)
Dado75 2 years ago
Medicine is not about authority you retarded jackmaster. It's about science and evidence. Psychology is a fucking cult, join it and you may become its favorite cunt.
Xpenguin17revived 2 years ago
If you consider that only an MD can trash the "profession" ... here you have it:
watch?v=hy79C0v8elE&feature=related
Gmmaverick 2 years ago
Interview ANY Psychiatrist and he'll tell you they have no cures, only "treatments". It's a bogus cult, financed by Big Pharma and Governments.
mulletrow 2 years ago 2
Much like Scientology.
creamesoda79 2 years ago
Interesting that an expert like Dr. Schaler declares psychiatry to be a fraud! Hmmm makes one ponder and think!
MrJbfleming 2 years ago
Schizophrenia can be identified using an MRI. Genetics do have a basis, but it takes the environment to activate those predispositions. Schizophrenia is very scary, this is video has a lot of pseudoscience. He has some points but he is oversimplifying the situation and basing his assumptions on out of date practices. However I agree we should NOT punish crime, we need non-punitive rehabilitation. We are all one. Please check out zeitgeist addendum and the venus project if you agree with me
42utuber42 2 years ago
This is true!
pleasantms 2 years ago 2
"It takes one person to have a real disease. It takes two people to have a mental illness."
Nice.
kristallklar1 2 years ago 9
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It's true but guess what, you will probably meet another human in your life time. So licking a door knob every 5 minutes and tearing the heads off kittens is not going to settle well with your fellow humans(depending where you live..) So if the point Dr.Schaler is trying to make is that mental illness is bullshit, he's just wrong.
Wadarec 1 year ago
@kristallklar1
@kristallklar1
It's true but guess what, you will probably meet another human in your life time. So licking a door knob every 5 minutes and tearing the heads off kittens is not going to settle well with your fellow humans(depending where you live..) So if the point Dr.Schaler is trying to make is that mental illness is bullshit, he's just wrong. I may have this all wrong though. Maybe he means it is even tougher to diagnose someone with a mental disease than a physical..
Wadarec 1 year ago
@Wadarec Doc, I have alot of familiy issues and abuse history.
OK patient have some drugs that contain substances you would never take ALONE
quillybarb 1 year ago
Well, for one, NAMI is in cahoots with the drug industry. They are VERY big supporters of drug-based "treatments."
kristallklar1 2 years ago 3
I hate it when someone who is trying to enlighten the world uses a non invent like th holocaust to help make his point. It just proves that people can be very informed in one area while being a complete victim of propaganda in another. If this man, who rightly points out that Psychiatry is not a science, would apply the same scientific standards to the holocaust he would discover that the holocaust is really a holohoax.
Watthiman 3 years ago
Hey. I talked to a professional psych and he gave me a bunch of websites he says show evidence that mental illness has a physical cause.
Two that listed easy-to-find sources were
3w(dot)dbsalliance(dot)org
3w(dot)nami(dot)org
there was also a search engine for medical research journals
3w(dot)ncbi(dt)nlm(dt)nih(dt)gov(slash)pubmed
I haven't had much time to look at them yet, just thought I'd give you an update
killingthyme 3 years ago
You were rignt about Dr Fisher. I saw the dinner video. I misjudged him.
I did a little searching. There is no definitive physical test for mental illness (brain scan, autopsy, blood, etc). On that we can agree. The sites I visited alluded to circumstantial evidence of brain chemistry, but did not provide references (although I haven't had time to look too hard yet.)
The evidence is in the clinical effectiveness of drug treatments, which I'll try and get. Later.
killingthyme 3 years ago
Okay. Deal. I must have missed this comment before. It will take me time to locate a scientific reference (a couple of days), but I can do it. I know professionals.
Incidentally, I did look at Dr Fisher on youtube, and he doesn't deny mental illness, he disagrees with part of the orthodox approach. Healthy dissent is a crucial part of any scientific field.
Look up "Pschiatrist Daniel Fisher talks about hope and recovery" by richdesserts
Look at comment at 3:06 on medication
killingthyme 3 years ago
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However, things really are different now than they were even in the 1950's. We have a lot more knowledge of how the brain works, the harm of certian procedures,and society has become more aware of the abuses. (Society[at least in the US]is also a lot different now than it was back then).
Looking at it from a historical perspective, it's perfectly understandable how you would reach those conclusions, and there's still some abuse, but there's also a lot of good that psychiarty does.
killingthyme 3 years ago
Yes, I agree, there have been a lot of awful things done in the name of psychiatry, even in the recent past(like lobotomies, electroshocks, experimenting with harmful drugs).
I think that society has allowed these things because there is a lot of prejudice against people who appear to be different, especially the mentally ill. (Some may not have been mentally ill, just different)
killingthyme 3 years ago
'electroshock' is a very effective treatment for severe or psychotic depression refractory to other treatments.
jiddoc 3 years ago
That may be true for how it is used today, but I was refering to the past, like in the 50's, when it was used indiscriminantly.
killingthyme 3 years ago
This should read: electroshock is SOMETIMES a SLIGHTLY effective treatment for SOME depressed people. Nothing is "always" or "for sure" in the world of mental health!! I know for a fact many times it does NOT work at all....let it kill a few of your brain cells and write back please.
zanyzee63 2 years ago
A bullet to the brain is also a cure for most ills. Psychiatry was always high plains fraud, shameless brainwash, only a Nazi trick to stick people with dangerous pharmaceuticals and keep them from finding out what the gov/med has already done to them with vaccs, amalgams and other substances.
cusanusnicolas 2 years ago
Are you for real?? I guess you think LSD "therapy" is effective too.
dovegen10 2 years ago
If what you're saying is true, I can understand how you came to the conclusions that you did. (That's news to me though, about the shelters.) However, that's society, that's not the psychiatric professionals. I'm not sure I follow your reasoning regarding keeping them homeless intentionally.
killingthyme 3 years ago
The fact that people who take antidepressant medications and seek psychiatric treatment live happier lives and are less likely to end up homeless or commiting a crime. That's the evidence. If it didn't exist, psychiatry wouldn't be in buisness. How do you think they get people to keep coming? Do they brainwash people?
Like I said, look at scientific or medical periodicals, look at their studies. After you've done that, then feel free to critique them.
killingthyme 3 years ago
I didn't say "cure", I said "treatment". There's a difference. There is no cure for mental illness, but, like many other incurable medical conditions, it is treatable for many people.
As far as these people who you are claiming get "cured" by stopping treatment, show me that in a scientific study. While you're at it, look up Jeremy Perkins. He was schitzophrenic. His nut-job scientologist mother wouldn't let him have psychiatric treatment. Guess where they are now?
killingthyme 3 years ago
I don't know where you are getting your numbers from, but no company would test a drug on fifty people and then market it. That's far too small a sampling size.
killingthyme 3 years ago
Shifting the burden of proof on the opponent is an old trick. Anyone who makes any claim has a burden of evidence on them, whether that claim is for the existence or the non-existence of something.
Even making the weaker claim of a lack of evidence for something still requires analysing the opponent's purported evidence, which this guy does not do.
killingthyme 3 years ago
I'm not sure how you define proof. The sucessfulness of psychiatric treatment on many patients is evidence that it works. I personally know people who've benefited from psychiatric care.
Do you think people would pay psychiatrists money to help them if they didn't benefit anyone? What kind of 'proof' are you looking for? A urine test for depression? You don't think that pharmacutical companies test antidepressant drugs for effectiveness before marketing them?
killingthyme 3 years ago
When did I ever say looking for evidence was wrong? I just said that you should be prepared to cite evidence if you make a speech like that guy does, and he doesn't back his claims up with evidence. Nice try at twisting my words around.
killingthyme 3 years ago
Evidence? Wellll, why don't you try looking at medical journals, that have documented research on these things? Go to your university or public library's periodicals catalog. Try the American Journal of Psychiatry. What research does this guy cite? None.
I would like to add that it's a common debate trick to turn the question on the opponent when you can't answer it. You couldn't provide evidence and so you turned it around and asked me for it.
killingthyme 3 years ago
"If you want evidence, you first must have the desire to look for evidence"? That's a complete cop-out to just avoid backing your claims. Then you can always claim that you have facts that your opponent doesn't.
My only "vested interest" is in making sure that children don't get deprived medical care by parents who've been duped by this charlaton.
As far as logic, his logic was completely flawed, and his arguments based on ignorance.
killingthyme 3 years ago
At no point in this guy's rambling did he come close to any kind of scientific study. Not one piece of evidence, not any source of information. Just a bunch of emotional anecdotes. This guy really is dangerous. There are some people who will believe him, and wil deny thier children medical care.
killingthyme 3 years ago
The ultimate and most evil thing you can do to a person is tell them they need a shrink just because you don't like them or something they do. Not only is it supremely arrogant and small-minded, it is intended to redefine them as ill when they simply do something you don't like. Also, the goal or hope in it is to get others to do the same, others in power, so you can be harmed. It shows malice and evil in a person when they tell others to do this who do nothing especially strange.
avidalocan 3 years ago
As funny as his comparisons to cancer are, he's full of shit. Schizophrenia is not just someone doing what the rest of society dislikes - many of them see and hear things which are not there. That is illness, it interferes with their everyday life. How can people be so ignorant!?
DestroyerMariko 3 years ago
How do you know it is not there? Do you presume that something which is not seen/discovered yet, does not exists? Sorry, this is not the scientific attitude, never will be. 100 years ago it was impossible to fly...today 700 persons fly together in planes... defend something you know for sure! psychiatry knows NOTHING, ALSO TREATS NOTHING ! CAN YOU CHANGE THAT ???? BE MY GUEST THEN
vodacuza 3 years ago
WTF, you need THERAPY lol. If people hear things that other people can't hear, or see things that other people can't see, or that can't be picked up on a video camera or whatever, you have no proof that what they're seeing is real. You're like a creationist. Of course it's impossible to completely prove the non-existence of something. But we can prove it beyong all REASONABLE doubt. Why don't you prove that what they hallucinate DOES exist? You sure as idiots can't.
DestroyerMariko 3 years ago
U say: "If people hear things that other people can't hear, or see" ...Are you the ultimate judge of who are in the first category and whos's in the second? So electricity, because we cannot see it, nor pick it up on camera, does not exist? Hahaha and your PC works on fried potatoes! hahhahhaaa. Don't you see that psychiatry ALWAYS tried to exist BY BRUTAL FORCE although NO CURE?!?!?! Are you a shrink? :))) go unlearn everything, it is discriminating bullshit made for gaining easy money...
vodacuza 3 years ago
Electricity we can test and prove that it's there. Hallucinations we cannot.
While it's true psychiatry has made some stupid mistakes in the past, so has every other human science. Anything that can be used for "good" can be used for "evil". Nuclear power, the internet, vehicles. Psychiatry itself is neither good nor bad, it's the people who use it that you should worry about. And most psychs are helping people, not harming them.
I'm not a shrink. I'm bored, otherwise you wouldn't be worth it.
DestroyerMariko 3 years ago 2
This is funny shit, this guy knows nothing about Psychiatry.
Key words for you people who like this.
1: Hypothalamus
2: Neural peptide/peptide/neurotransmitters
genius1140 3 years ago
Could you, if you are able, please elaborate on this?
unrealfarcrie 3 years ago
In short chemicals in the brain cause emotional reaction. Biological causality is evident in the fields. I do not know enough to give incredible details on the molecular biology, but i know enough to understand in rough how memories are formed and how emotions are expressed at a biological level. Which means psychiatric disorders as a medical/biological application do exist.
genius1140 3 years ago
Many people, including me would consider your opinion of mans psychological nature quite vulgar. The materialist believes that mans emotions and thoughts are caused by chemical reactions in his brain. A spiritualist believes it is the other way around. Can you prove that your opinion is the right one?
unrealfarcrie 3 years ago
Who is this madman...
gepo01 3 years ago
The madman is FDA Commissioner Jane E. Henney, M.D.
prokopton 3 years ago
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what a piece of shit
dustinchen 3 years ago
It must be sad to not know what schizophrenia is. If someone is seeing and hearing things that aren't really there, they're mentally ill and they don't need someone else to say it for it to be true.
rotothirteen 3 years ago
A major magic trick of psychiatry is that the addictive drugs causes patients to loose mental abilities, such as memory that the patient felt better and had better memory, before the drug therapy began. The miracle healing medical doctor then tells the patient that they are very sick and getting sicker, and hope is only in taking more miracle healing psychiatric drugs, which only causes the problem to get worse and worse ( until the patient wakes up, and goes cold turkey to get off the drugs ).
trader0108 3 years ago
still you gotta have problems in your life to be trastorned, plus jesus we could not diagnose him as we can't certanly know what he did, he could be a perfect mental normal guy and still with the passover the years his story was hyperbolic into the presents day
wroomann 3 years ago
"We wish to pursue the truth no matter where it leads, but to find the truth we need imagination and skepticism both. We will not be afraid to speculate, but we will be careful to distinguish speculation from fact." - Guess who
M1thotyn 3 years ago
Let me be specifically clear in my assertions. I'm not saying that Carl Sagan entirely oppose applied sciences, nor did he try to discredit deductive reasoning, but that his principles to science were purist, he spoked out against the mass funding for applied sciences, but didn't speak out against applied sciences entirely, but he didn't favor it over natural sciences. And ultimately, and no Saganist can argue this, he was adamant in his belief that *ALL* science should be objective.
M1thotyn 3 years ago
The irony is that if psychiatry did find a brain abnormality that could be directly attributed to schizophrenia without a doubt, that it would no longer even be in a domain of psychiatry -- it would go to neurology. Of course, neuropsychiatry is on the way to fake science using P.E.T. scans and I've spoken to numerous neuroscientists who are opposed to this, but again, if they did truly find anything scientific, it'd go to neurology.
M1thotyn 3 years ago
I hope you see how this resembles psychiatry. To be of valid science, the entity must first be discovered as matter. Psychiatry had declared it's premise true and convinced others, and now it seeks to catch up to the improbability that searching for what they had not found will make them legitimate someday -- that their material evidence will be found. Any science trying to catch up to it's own assumably true idea's, is not valid science. It's the ambition of human, in this case, over others.
M1thotyn 3 years ago
Deductive reasoning makes the best argument for the existence of god. Inductive reasoning makes a pretty weak one, "Those tree's exist and weren't born... There must be a god", of course others following inductive reasoning will discover that tree's grow from seeds. Now if I used deductive reasoning, especially in a time where the premise that "God exists" was widely believed, I could pull a book called the bible on you, and storm you with undeniable arguments while we argue the premise.
M1thotyn 3 years ago
"It just seems morally wrong to sue for something that is free (albeit out of the taxpayers money)." Yeah because getting ripped off is the only *real* issue, we all know that lives, even millions of lives, being ravaged and wrecked by psychiatry is some scientology myth with something to do with Hubbards long held war with Lord Xenu. Only one illness missing - Narrow minded disorder; The tunntel visioned frame of mind developed for obedient servitude without regard for critical thinking + logic
M1thotyn 3 years ago
"many people getting healed by psychiatric medication" How can you judge that? What was the condition? Behavior? So then what healed them? They quit bothering you? A schizophrenic is insane for being extreme and mentally wild, thus a neuroleptic inducing brain damage heals them? How the fuck do you people sleep at night? How can somebody he healed of something that is not ailing them? If a schizo is having financial or social difficulties, it is not because of their brain, it is because of ppl!
M1thotyn 3 years ago
And for all you ignorant sheeple fucks who think that scientology is a source of anti psychiatry, you're wrong. Anti psychiatry has been around for hundreds of years, long before scientology, and anyone with a touch of logic, I.E. not a norm, can realize simply why -- they are a bizarre religion, and bizarre=mental illness, mental illness=mental health treatment, and mental health treatment *IS* oppression! Disagree? FOLLOW MY EXPERIMENT THEN (go to hospital, speak of voices), OTHERWISE, STFU!
M1thotyn 3 years ago
crap to this. this person has no idea. maybe in your country psychiatry is for gaining power you are a poor person. in germany psychiatrists are quite decent and I have seen many people getting healed by psychiatric medication
kamarpashmoo 3 years ago
It's encouraging that you don't see it too much. I'm from U.S., and I know a few doctors and psychiatrists who are constantly under pressure (not duress, but are "bribed," in a sense) to prescribe new drugs. In my expereince, this is true for all doctors who are able to recommend drugs and write a prescription, and is in no way limited to Psychiatrists.
sbadd 3 years ago
Indeed, Scientology is unfair to Psychiatry. In your field, you probably (and maybe not) see some doctors who are too liberal with medication, and pharmecudical companies bribing said doctors with food (lunches, in my experience). On the other hand, you are surrounded by people who are committed to helping patients who can't help themselves. Scientology uses any misuse of psychiatry to attack the entire community, which a very possitive institution on the whole.
sbadd 3 years ago
He's a great speaker and very convincing...if you don't know anything about mental illness. He's clouding the issue, and notice that he does not give one example. It's all hypothetical, and he tells us what people would do, but can anyone show me one example that really demonstrates any of his claims? Please, email me, I'll respond to you.
sbadd 3 years ago
sbadd, read Elliot Valensteins (Ph.d neuroscientist) "blaming the brain", and google mindfreedom-neuroleptic brain damage. It's been known through scientific experiments in monkeys for ages that neuroleptics can cause actual cell death, resulting in a almost cancer-like effect on the brain, destroying it even long after the drug is discontinued, and psychiatry attributes this to the illness, when in fact is re-creatable in monkeys given neuroleptics. You people all deserve to suffer, not us.
M1thotyn 3 years ago
There is nothing sicker in this world, not even the war in iraq, than damaging somebodies brain -- especially as a child -- with drugs whose only valid use is in behavioral control, and then attributing the psychological, biological and emotional difficulties they will encounter throughout their lives to a made up illness instead of the behavior modification agent. My childhood was ravaged in misery by neuroleptic drugs, and I get to live in a world that doesn't realize it. *that* makes me ill.
M1thotyn 3 years ago