Miracles can simply be the interaction of forces that we do not understand yet...such as possibility and probability manipulation. Which quantum physics supports....
@clumpft Real competence can afford that kind of humility. It's why I always snort when someone calls Hitch arrogant -- his delivery style might have looked like that, but his real respect for knowledge and information was that of a knowing person: the more you know, the more you know you don't know yet.
Wow, this just might be one of the most important segments on the internet. If every human being heard Christopher's demolishment of the miracle argument from this clip, the world would be a much better place. RIP Hitch, too bad resurrections are no longer a "banality" in this day and age because it would be great if you could still be alive....
The guy on the left thinks he is smart. But he does not listend to what Hitchens is saying, how clear his reasoning is. Faith is blind. I wish more people could see.
and u start developement in the womb. people are born retarded and wiith down sydrome. but whatever, the point is that you made the illogical statement that my logic is retarded, which in itself it a non logical statement. And ur assertions are empty of evidence and argument and definition and knowledge of logical fallacy.
...............Mutants which equal the normal fly in vigor are a minority, and mutants that would make a major improvement of the normal organization in the normal environments are unknown.” Theodosius Dobzhansky, Evolution, Genetics, and Man (New York: John Wiley & Sons, 1955), p. 105
“Most mutants which arise in any organism are more or less disadvantageous to their possessors. The classical mutants obtained in Drosophila [the fruit fly] usually show deterioration, breakdown, or disappearance of some organs. Mutants are known which diminish the quantity or destroy the pigment in the eyes, and in the body reduce the wings, eyes, bristles, legs. Many mutants are, in fact, lethal to their possessors. .
CORRECTION: Perhaps I should have said "could not exist" rather than "does not exist". Obviously we can't directly prove that God does not exist any more than we can directly prove that fairies do not exist. We could, however, through indirect means, prove that God *could not* exist.
I wondered something while listening to Hitch in this video.
If science could somehow prove, without a shadow of doubt, that God did not exist (much the same way it's proved that we were not created with a wiggle of God's nose), would creationists claim that His non-existence only further proves how clever and creative He really is?
Nah. You just revealed both ur irrationality and ur bias the motivates it. Any one can see that if a book uses a word that it has the right to define what is means by that word.
If I wrote a book i would have the right to invent characters and words as long as I defined them and their usage. So when the bible refers to faith we know what it means.
@j919or Translation: "The Bible took creative license with the definitions of it's words. It took words and made them mean something else. So obviously we can understand what it's really saying."
Hey j919or. I took a dump to the water unless I found a broomstick without it's understandable and sometimes never thinking what to go into the other top of the bottom.
I took creative license with my words, there. But clearly, you can understand what I mean, right?
@SeedsOfHatred ""It took words and made them mean something else""
Nah. The bible predates modern usages of words. When studying an ancient document, one needs to discern the document's usage of the terms before one can understand the term. This is basic, but for the wilfully blind it will never be understood.
@j919or This is true, yes, but you very explicitely stated:
"Any one can see that if a book uses a word that it has the right to define what is means by that word."
You then went on to explain that if YOU wrote a book, you could define words any way you wanted. Afterward, you implied that this is what the Bible had done.
My response was an illustration of your flawed logic in action.
*Sigh* But for the willfullly blind, this will never be understood.
@SeedsOfHatred Nah. You define faith as believing God without evidence while the bible defines faith as the ability to perceive God and so faith is itself the evidence that God is and that God is good.
@j919or No, he/she is right. Your 'logic' is so incredibly retarded that if you were stupid enough to buy it yourself, you wouldn't even be sentient enough to use a keyboard. You defy the word logic simply by mentioning in the vicinity of the reasoning your using...
Believe what you want; Don't try to pass it off as logical just because you want it to be.
Yawn. This is a completely illogical statement. People are born retarded. Logic is not something that can be retarded. Further, you posed a bald assertion. You make a statement without responding to the argument made by me and with no evidence or reasoning to support your own statement/assertion.
@j919or Haha, you just make things up as you go along don't you? No, people are not born retarded; yes, your logic is so ridiculously flawed that it is unbelievable. You just make assertions that you like to be true without anything to back them up.
You can't just throw thing s like "so faith is itself the evidence that God is and that God is good." out there and be taken seriously. This reasoning is to mind-blowingly poor that there is no point in even trying to refute it.
You just dug urself a whole and either you must humble urself or run. My guess is that you will run, for it is common knowledge that people are born retarded. You burst into flames without knowledge in an attempt to preserve ur precious image. Now ur image has just gone up in flames. You lie and wont admit it.
@j919or Haha, I seriously hope that you are trolling! If not, look mental retardation up on wikipedia, for christ sake. Being retarded means that you do not develop your mental faculties at a normal rate. By that definition, kids are not retarded.
Hitchens lies when he says that the bible says that ALL the OT believers were raised. It clearly says MANY. One wonders why he would exaggerate here and down right lie.
@j919or Hitchens was simply making the point that resurrection does not in any way indicate divine conception. I'm sure he knew that Matthew 27:52 says 'and many bodies of the saints which slept arose'... Christopher knew the entire bible, cover to cover... One wonders why you would make a mountain out of a mole hill, and attempt to defame the greatest voice of reason this generation had...
Because he lied. The text doesnt say ALL, it says MANY. So if he knew the bible, he lied. You believe that he is great because he agrees with what you want. But the evidence says here that he is a liar.
@j919or Again, he was just making a point that the authors of the bible did not seem to think that resurrection was any indication of divine conception. He was not attempting to quote the bible verbatim.
@RandyJ007 It matters little to me what the worlds definition of faith. The bible's definition trumps it. If a word is used by an author, and that author defines his use of the word, then that definition is the preferred defintion.
The bible defines faith as evidence and assurance. Therefore faith is the ability to perceive God, it is the awareness of God. Hebrews 11 teaches that Abe and Moses saw what others didnt see.
@RandyJ007 Nah. Faith is defined by the writer who uses the word. The biblical definition of faith is the it is the ability to perceive God. It comes from spiritual life which is produced by God.
@j919or That's a slippery slope you're on, using "biblical" definitions... especially considering how incorrect that particular book is on many, many things...
@j919or First, the English word "faith" was not in any of the original scrawlings that ended up in the bible. Do you know why that is??? Because the original authors didn't use English of course :-) Now then, the English word "faith" is defined as acceptance with out evidence. p.s. when someone sees something that no one else can see, that person is delusional... there's another word you should familiarize yourself with, "delusional"...
@j919or Are you able to demonstrate your assertions concerning your god? Or, like every other religious person, do you prefer to parrot what you've been taught?
@j919or So, your god has personally taught you something??!! Wow, that's incredible... you are one of the only people in human history to make that claim... please share with us what you've been taught. p.s. the bible doesn't count (it's only a book, written by men); your preacher doesn't count (he is just a man); life experiences don't count (those things just happen anyway)... So, what has your invisible friend taught you PERSONALLY????
@j919or During the days of the bibles authorship even the most "educated" of men didn't know about viruses and bacteria and that the earth is round and revolves around the sun, some cultures actually believed the sun to be a god. Some theists consider the bible to be "factually" correct. What makes the bible "true" and not just a book of "moralistic" stories? What makes the biblical god "real" and not the product of man's imagination? What is wrong with saying "educated for their time?"
@dkthg The bible isnt concerned about telling us about astronomy and biology, it is interested in telling us how to reconcile with God. It is written for those that care. If you dont care then its all moot and confusing ot u...by design.
For those that care
1. the gospels are solid history
2. fulfilled prophecy of Ezek 26 and Daniel
3.uniqueness and self verifying teaching of God indwelling believers and how to receive Him and how to know that he is in you.
Why must people still waste their time even arguing about this bullshit.
There is no god.
It is a prehistoric superstition.
Move on humanity. This world is a natural paradise and humanity is its own keeper, and the only caretaker of this world. Let's stop being superstitious morons and get on with taking care of each other and this planet. There is no heaven or hell but this world and this life. There is no god, only our own consciousness.
He doesn't have time to support his religions argument because there isn't enough time in eternity to prove any of it. He basically says, 'It's not a leap of faith.' and proceeds to take a huge leap of faith. He has faith that anything in the bible actually happened. Then, he builds on that faith.
That is a useless thought process. 'I hope I'll live on an island with three breasted alien women. And here is why I will.'
Don't religious people realise that all these "How do you explain-!?" questions are all arguments from ignorance? This is not a dichotomy. There are more than two options, probably. If the atheists cannot explain something, that does not make god true. If religions had ever presented a logical argument with secure premises, I might be able to lend more credibility to them.
What if the woman has an XXY karyotype? It's even more rare in woman than it is in men, and the Y chromosome would be missing its sex-determining region, due to mutation. Given, the odds that the region would mutate back to being functional in the offspring are infinitesimally small, but the odds in favor of parthenogenesis probably are as well. In fact, the odds would be much better for Jesus having an XX karyotype but a male phenotype.
All of the so called "miracles" have other explanations.
How come at these so called holy "miracle" sites like Lourdes never have any glass eyes, prosthetic limbs or plastic face reconstructions?
Because there are no "miracles" performed there!
The bible claims many miracles were performed by Jesus but that was thousands of years ago and it was also claimed that true believers could do the same including moving mountains- never happened, never will.
It's sad that in this day and age there are still people arguing for the existence of god. There is no god, so just get over it, move on, and start acting like adults.
@itsSkmt: "Don't be so sure. You sound as bigoted as they are... :) WE DON'T KNOW!"
You could say the same thing about leprechauns. But do you spend your life worshiping leprechauns? Of course not, because there's no proof for leprechauns, just like there's not a shred of proof for the existence of any god.
The thing is that my position is based on reason and logic. Their position is based on fairy tales and fear.
@mikefromwa "There is no god" Some would say that God is the 'ultimate frame of reference'. Meaning for example that, it's more reasonable to assume that intelligence has an Intelligent cause than a non-intelligent origin. God is a reasonable frame of reference for intelligence and reason. Dismissing that offhand is to essentially use a presupposition to defeat another presupposition. In other words - you made a statement of faith.
Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a women with lust you have committed adultery with here in your heart.
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Does this concern you? The Bible says despise the value of your eye compared to the value of your soul. would u sell your eye for a million dollars? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. needgod.com
@projectlevydelta That's not the definition of a miracle... According to webster: "an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs". There are loads of unique things in the universe. That does not make them miraculous.
@projectlevydelta That's not the definition of a miracle... According to webster: "an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs". There are loads of unique things in the universe. That does not make them miraculous.
@projectlevydelta That's not the definition of a miracle... According to webster: "an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs". There are loads of unique things in the universe. That does not make them miraculous.
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Elton Trueblood, a renowned scholar said about twenty years ago that in the near future, Christianity would be surrounded by an arrogant and militant paganism-well, here we are.
However, the Son of the living God Himself said, "...the gates of hell shall not prevail."
@73geneva Thanks for your reply. I do find it though pretty vague: who are 'people'? By 'False religions' you mean everything which is not Christianity? Or even branches within Christianity? 'From all angles' does not say much either about the nature of these attacks. I'd like just to see more clearly what you are pointing at from your religious perspective.
@73geneva Thanks for your reply. I do find it though pretty vague: who are 'people'? By 'False religions' you mean everything which is not Christianity? Or even branches within Christianity? 'From all angles' does not say much either about the nature of these attacks. I'd like just to see more clearly what you are pointing at from your religious perspective.
"That's the only thing I'll remember about the entire evening." LOVE IT!
I watched this entire interview on Turdek's channel; WHAT A BAFOON! He actually says, "That's the argument, I don't have time to support it," in a weak attempt to debate the awesome Mr. Hitchens. Isn't that what he's doing? Goofball!
I laugh at you Turdek, I laugh and laugh and laugh at you and all of your kind.
Its amazing that he tried to argue a comparison between a singularity and a miracle. Be religious, believe what you want, but do yourself a favor don't try to support it by debating Hitchens you will lose.
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@Moodang1985 I actually yelled that at another video. My flatmate says I'm crazy because I yelled "No! No you call him Mr Hitchens...No! Stop calling him Christopher! He's Mr Hitchens! You don't deserve to call him Christopher!"
I cant even imagine being on the religious side and honestly believing that everything hitchens is saying is ridiculous. I cant fathom being in that mind set.
It's mind-boggling, isn't it, how learned adult humans living at the same moment in time could posit such wholly opposite viewpoints? Indoctrination is a fierce antagonist. I'm with you, of course, I can't fathom the religious gentleman's mindset, especially after Hitchens's eloquent, tight replies. My brain doesn't work that way.
""other guy is dumbass for not catching that little mistake""
Well we have CH in a lie in that the bible does not say that ALL saints rose but only that many of the saints rose. Did you know that exaggeration is a lie?
Certainly we have strong evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. The only argument that says that others did not arise is the argument from silence. There is no evidence for or against. Its presumption that they looked different than anyone else and appeared to Romans.
This Christian guy is quite angry and clearly has a guilty conscience about the fatuous remarks he is making. He reacts as if he's being pushed into a corner.
Well, my problem is with both sides. Every person on this earth has the opportunity to believe what they want. My problem is with anyone, being Hitchens or anyone else, thinking they are right. Come back after you die and prove it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!
God doesen't exist?Miracles don't happen? I am a walking miracle!Iwas in a serious car wreck due to speeding(young and dumb). My dad,who by the way is a very devout believer was with me.He was unscathed.I had broken my neck and a head injury.Was not supposed to live.I lived!Was not supposed to walk.I walked!Why?My family and church prayed for me: ) I am now married with kids,which,as a sci victim I am not supposed to be capable of either! I hope this helps: )
@roddy35wv So what does it mean when a christian is killed in a car accident? Does that mean that there is no god? People survive car accidents every day and it doesn't require any supernatural interference since the body is perfectly capable of healing itself in a natural way.
@j919or While it is true that not all saint rose, it says that many did.
"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,"
Still his point does not require all saints to rise; his point is that resurection was not unique according to the bible. This point still stands, and you're really grasping at straws if you think that this is the best way to counter it.
@j919or Haha what a fool you are. You don't have any real criticisms to make regarding his arguments, so you hide behind a minor error in choice if diction.
A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic...or else he would be the Devil. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and it, the son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher." Lewis
@simpson1177: Based on how he talks here Lewis seems as though he was either never exposed to the idea of a false dichotomy, or was the master of it. That statement is pretty over the top.
what I find fascinating whenever I witness religious people floundering in the face of science and reason is to ask what is the catalyst which drives them to close their eyes in such a way? I'm sure a study of this would nearly always reveal that it is a feeling of betraying "mummy" or "daddy" should they even consider that religion is (obviously) bullshit. To even question faith is to actually betray their parents/school teacher/cosy foundations.
I'm so tired of the blatant misunderstanding of evolution. DNA DIDN'T ARISE BY CHANCE. NO EVOLOLUTIONARY BIOLOGIST THINKS IT AROSE BY CHANCE. IT IS NOT RANDOM CHANCE, NOR IS IT GUIDED. It is the process of variation and nonrandom natural selection. Just look up any video of Richard Dawkins or another real scientist explaining it and it will become quite clear.
The rational former Englishman vs the the standard irrational and shouting American.
There is no god, there are no gods, they were invented, by a man, starting around five-thousand years ago, no women were involved, and perpetuated by men in all their word of god books (Christian, Jews, Islamists etc), that only men ever since have used to control, and to get rich from, simpletons who believe the bollocks written in them.
@NorthNorth2009 Again you are trolling. How about some arguments that tells christianity is the right religion? If you dont have any then dont talk shit.
I think what annoys me the most about these sort of debates is you can have guys like Dawkins and Hitchens providing the most eloquent, witty, concise arguments possible and the other side just has to say "Muuuh God made it all cos he's amazing!!!....I like to eat soap."
@gerrystinks I was just having a conversation with my mum (no i do not live in my mum's basement wearing a sweaty wife-beater trolling on the internet) that i havn't laughed all day for a numerous reasons which I won't go into, and on reading this comment you really did sincerely make me laugh.
I think one of the biggest problems the Christian gentlemen had is that he got too rattled-up by Mr. Hitchens. He blew up a lot and resorted to near-yelling a lot. Yes I could talk about the ill-logic of his argument and his lack of evidence, but his attitude is what bothers me most.
IS there a chance that the poor guys that argue against Christopher are goats or sacrifices because they get walked on quickly and constantly beat down?? Its just not fair at all.
Arguing with a christian is fucked up. They are so arrogant. They simply believe in all this bullshit hocus-pocus and that's perfect: everyone who doesn't is damned and they smugly carry on. No amount of common sense will change anything unless they have a few brain cells and can use them to actually think.
@british123able, your statement proves my point... just because you went to a really old and famous college doesn't make you impervious to foolishness. Your probably a smart and nice person but the fact remains that if your religious then that indicates a certain degree of foolishness. To be religious means to base your ideas about reality on conjecture, hearsay and faith instead of logic, reason and facts. Just calling the kettle black my friend.
@GabSte1989, I think that clinging to age-old irrational beliefs is definitely foolish, especially if you realize they are irrational but still hold to them.
@AnotherAgnostic Damned YouTube always tricks me with those first comments. I forget to look for the actual chain of discussion in the bulk. "Fuck you" "...in clinging to etc etc." *Sigh*... ruins the intent. That's beside the point, however, and I'm done ranting.
@AnotherAgnostic Haha but seriously though I'm religious and I have no problem with Hitchens or atheists for that matter. Seriously though have a nice day!
@writersblock26, nice try at spinning the issue... of course I don't know all religious people... DUH! I don't need to know all the religious people to know they are all foolish... they think that Mickey Mouse is God... or whatever other fictional character is God... that indicates that they are fools. Just calling the kettle black.
@AnotherAgnostic You mean you are "[calling] a spade a spade." Otherwise, you would be implying that you are being hypocritical, i.e., the "pot calling the kettle black."
I think it very possible, even likely, that the big bang and other foundational scientific ideas will evolve beyond our current understanding. There will always be mystery, and there will also (i hope!) always be an expanding knowledge. No understanding is infinite, though it's a key attribute of most understanding's to claim infinite status (like god). I'm excited by new ideas and at the same time, don't want to attach myself to them as 'truths'.
The high-pitched prune 'nad boy is funny.
Tippersnore 4 days ago
from 4:30 onwards , his arguments were much of a fallacy!
harry33331 1 week ago
Miracles can simply be the interaction of forces that we do not understand yet...such as possibility and probability manipulation. Which quantum physics supports....
Cuah123 1 week ago
Parthenogenesis can only produce a female offspring, though.
manthasagittarius1 2 weeks ago
My god, did I just witness a brief lapse of information recall from Hitchens? 1:24 I didn't think that was possible.
clumpft 3 weeks ago
@clumpft Real competence can afford that kind of humility. It's why I always snort when someone calls Hitch arrogant -- his delivery style might have looked like that, but his real respect for knowledge and information was that of a knowing person: the more you know, the more you know you don't know yet.
manthasagittarius1 2 weeks ago
Wow, this just might be one of the most important segments on the internet. If every human being heard Christopher's demolishment of the miracle argument from this clip, the world would be a much better place. RIP Hitch, too bad resurrections are no longer a "banality" in this day and age because it would be great if you could still be alive....
torontoBluejays87 1 month ago
I remember the first time I heard Hitchens say the phrase "infintely expanding tautology". I quite literally jizzed my pants!!! (not literally) xXx
dantrizz 1 month ago 2
The guy on the left thinks he is smart. But he does not listend to what Hitchens is saying, how clear his reasoning is. Faith is blind. I wish more people could see.
naimamusique 1 month ago 3
and u start developement in the womb. people are born retarded and wiith down sydrome. but whatever, the point is that you made the illogical statement that my logic is retarded, which in itself it a non logical statement. And ur assertions are empty of evidence and argument and definition and knowledge of logical fallacy.
j919or 2 months ago
And developement starts in the womb. And that is where retardation starts. After childhood a nonretarded individual does not become retarded.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or This is so stupid that I have to assume that you are trolling. Damn Poe and his law.
silverstream314 2 months ago 5
@silverstream314 Please give reasons for ur bald assertion/opinion.
j919or 2 months ago
Read Hebrews 11 Faith is the evidence.... Abraham saw...Moses saw...(spiritual eyes/perception)
j919or 2 months ago
...............Mutants which equal the normal fly in vigor are a minority, and mutants that would make a major improvement of the normal organization in the normal environments are unknown.” Theodosius Dobzhansky, Evolution, Genetics, and Man (New York: John Wiley & Sons, 1955), p. 105
j919or 2 months ago
“Most mutants which arise in any organism are more or less disadvantageous to their possessors. The classical mutants obtained in Drosophila [the fruit fly] usually show deterioration, breakdown, or disappearance of some organs. Mutants are known which diminish the quantity or destroy the pigment in the eyes, and in the body reduce the wings, eyes, bristles, legs. Many mutants are, in fact, lethal to their possessors. .
j919or 2 months ago
CORRECTION: Perhaps I should have said "could not exist" rather than "does not exist". Obviously we can't directly prove that God does not exist any more than we can directly prove that fairies do not exist. We could, however, through indirect means, prove that God *could not* exist.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
I wondered something while listening to Hitch in this video.
If science could somehow prove, without a shadow of doubt, that God did not exist (much the same way it's proved that we were not created with a wiggle of God's nose), would creationists claim that His non-existence only further proves how clever and creative He really is?
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
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""space tea pot""
An material object cannot be God , which includes the FSM.
1. There is no teaching connected with that object to say that it is a manifestation of God
2. God must be other than matter in order to create all matter.
3. There is one God but many teachings about God. Let us examine the teaching of the tea pot. So far u have nothing to examine, including the FSM.
4. "you disgust me!" reveals that your beliefs are more motivated by preference than evidence and logic.
j919or 2 months ago
Nah. You just revealed both ur irrationality and ur bias the motivates it. Any one can see that if a book uses a word that it has the right to define what is means by that word.
If I wrote a book i would have the right to invent characters and words as long as I defined them and their usage. So when the bible refers to faith we know what it means.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Translation: "The Bible took creative license with the definitions of it's words. It took words and made them mean something else. So obviously we can understand what it's really saying."
Hey j919or. I took a dump to the water unless I found a broomstick without it's understandable and sometimes never thinking what to go into the other top of the bottom.
I took creative license with my words, there. But clearly, you can understand what I mean, right?
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred ""It took words and made them mean something else""
Nah. The bible predates modern usages of words. When studying an ancient document, one needs to discern the document's usage of the terms before one can understand the term. This is basic, but for the wilfully blind it will never be understood.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or This is true, yes, but you very explicitely stated:
"Any one can see that if a book uses a word that it has the right to define what is means by that word."
You then went on to explain that if YOU wrote a book, you could define words any way you wanted. Afterward, you implied that this is what the Bible had done.
My response was an illustration of your flawed logic in action.
*Sigh* But for the willfullly blind, this will never be understood.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred Nah. You define faith as believing God without evidence while the bible defines faith as the ability to perceive God and so faith is itself the evidence that God is and that God is good.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Haha. Wow. What to do when faith itself becomes proof of God's existence?
Never in my life have I been a witness to such glaring and incomprehensible stupidity.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@j919or: "so faith is itself the evidence that God is and that God is good."
That's so retarded I hardly know where to start. What kind of head injury do you have?
mikefromwa 2 months ago
@mikefromwa Typical arrogant atheist response. This is all justification for your judgment and bannishment to eternal darkness and misery.
Next time read up on logic before u respond. Start with an understanding of the meaning of words and their context.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or No, he/she is right. Your 'logic' is so incredibly retarded that if you were stupid enough to buy it yourself, you wouldn't even be sentient enough to use a keyboard. You defy the word logic simply by mentioning in the vicinity of the reasoning your using...
Believe what you want; Don't try to pass it off as logical just because you want it to be.
silverstream314 2 months ago
@silverstream314 ""Your 'logic' is so incredibly retarded ""
Yawn. This is a completely illogical statement. People are born retarded. Logic is not something that can be retarded. Further, you posed a bald assertion. You make a statement without responding to the argument made by me and with no evidence or reasoning to support your own statement/assertion.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Haha, you just make things up as you go along don't you? No, people are not born retarded; yes, your logic is so ridiculously flawed that it is unbelievable. You just make assertions that you like to be true without anything to back them up.
You can't just throw thing s like "so faith is itself the evidence that God is and that God is good." out there and be taken seriously. This reasoning is to mind-blowingly poor that there is no point in even trying to refute it.
silverstream314 2 months ago
@silverstream314 people are not born retarded""
You just dug urself a whole and either you must humble urself or run. My guess is that you will run, for it is common knowledge that people are born retarded. You burst into flames without knowledge in an attempt to preserve ur precious image. Now ur image has just gone up in flames. You lie and wont admit it.
Google "people are born retarded"
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Haha, I seriously hope that you are trolling! If not, look mental retardation up on wikipedia, for christ sake. Being retarded means that you do not develop your mental faculties at a normal rate. By that definition, kids are not retarded.
silverstream314 2 months ago
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@j919or: "Typical arrogant atheist response"
Typical ignorant theist response.
"justification for your judgment and bannishment to eternal darkness and misery."
It's all a load of pure crap, that's what it is.
"Start with an understanding of the meaning of words and their context."
Start by understanding there is no invisible telepathic sky-daddy.
mikefromwa 2 months ago
Hitchens lies when he says that the bible says that ALL the OT believers were raised. It clearly says MANY. One wonders why he would exaggerate here and down right lie.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Hitchens was simply making the point that resurrection does not in any way indicate divine conception. I'm sure he knew that Matthew 27:52 says 'and many bodies of the saints which slept arose'... Christopher knew the entire bible, cover to cover... One wonders why you would make a mountain out of a mole hill, and attempt to defame the greatest voice of reason this generation had...
RandyJ007 2 months ago
@RandyJ007 "to defame the greatest voice ""
Because he lied. The text doesnt say ALL, it says MANY. So if he knew the bible, he lied. You believe that he is great because he agrees with what you want. But the evidence says here that he is a liar.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Again, he was just making a point that the authors of the bible did not seem to think that resurrection was any indication of divine conception. He was not attempting to quote the bible verbatim.
RandyJ007 2 months ago
Faith IS the evidence. Faith is the awareness of God. It is spiritual life that enables us to be completely aware of God and his presence.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Faith is defined as acceptance without evidence... faith is nothing but an empty bag...
RandyJ007 2 months ago
@RandyJ007 It matters little to me what the worlds definition of faith. The bible's definition trumps it. If a word is used by an author, and that author defines his use of the word, then that definition is the preferred defintion.
The bible defines faith as evidence and assurance. Therefore faith is the ability to perceive God, it is the awareness of God. Hebrews 11 teaches that Abe and Moses saw what others didnt see.
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RandyJ007 2 months ago
@RandyJ007 Nah. Faith is defined by the writer who uses the word. The biblical definition of faith is the it is the ability to perceive God. It comes from spiritual life which is produced by God.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or That's a slippery slope you're on, using "biblical" definitions... especially considering how incorrect that particular book is on many, many things...
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@j919or First, the English word "faith" was not in any of the original scrawlings that ended up in the bible. Do you know why that is??? Because the original authors didn't use English of course :-) Now then, the English word "faith" is defined as acceptance with out evidence. p.s. when someone sees something that no one else can see, that person is delusional... there's another word you should familiarize yourself with, "delusional"...
RandyJ007 2 months ago
There is one God and many teachings about God. So I would then suppose that you are asking which teaching about God is correct. Yes or no.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Are you able to demonstrate your assertions concerning your god? Or, like every other religious person, do you prefer to parrot what you've been taught?
RandyJ007 2 months ago
@RandyJ007 ""parrot what you've been taught?""
Yes I parrot what Ive been taught by God
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@j919or So, your god has personally taught you something??!! Wow, that's incredible... you are one of the only people in human history to make that claim... please share with us what you've been taught. p.s. the bible doesn't count (it's only a book, written by men); your preacher doesn't count (he is just a man); life experiences don't count (those things just happen anyway)... So, what has your invisible friend taught you PERSONALLY????
RandyJ007 2 months ago
stupid christians go back to the dark or should i say bronze ages retards
melvindavid1622 2 months ago
@melvindavid1622 Nah dude you are in the dark.
1. Most of the bible was written by Moses and Paul
2. They were both educated in the best schools and spoke several languages.
3. They are both way smarter than ull ever be.
4. I dare you to debate me on atheism and the bible. That way I can illustrate the foolishishness of you and all other atheists .
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or During the days of the bibles authorship even the most "educated" of men didn't know about viruses and bacteria and that the earth is round and revolves around the sun, some cultures actually believed the sun to be a god. Some theists consider the bible to be "factually" correct. What makes the bible "true" and not just a book of "moralistic" stories? What makes the biblical god "real" and not the product of man's imagination? What is wrong with saying "educated for their time?"
dkthg 2 months ago in playlist GOD???
@dkthg The bible isnt concerned about telling us about astronomy and biology, it is interested in telling us how to reconcile with God. It is written for those that care. If you dont care then its all moot and confusing ot u...by design.
For those that care
1. the gospels are solid history
2. fulfilled prophecy of Ezek 26 and Daniel
3.uniqueness and self verifying teaching of God indwelling believers and how to receive Him and how to know that he is in you.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or
How do you know which God to "reconcile" with?
hlb101 2 months ago
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@hlb101 ""which God to "reconcile" with?""
There is only one teaching about God that God is reconcilable and wants to reconcile. And that is God in Jesus.
j919or 2 months ago
Anyone can write clever fairy tales and fiction, but they're still fairy tales and fiction after all.
steve51704000 2 months ago
RIP Hitchens, you freed my mind. I'll shall never forget
vk732 2 months ago 3
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@vk732 "you freed my mind"
Translation: You justified my dark thinking with your lies and now I am numb to it.
j919or 2 months ago
Why must people still waste their time even arguing about this bullshit.
There is no god.
It is a prehistoric superstition.
Move on humanity. This world is a natural paradise and humanity is its own keeper, and the only caretaker of this world. Let's stop being superstitious morons and get on with taking care of each other and this planet. There is no heaven or hell but this world and this life. There is no god, only our own consciousness.
stz128 3 months ago 44
@stz128 thank you for waking up
alexzracer2008 2 months ago
@stz128 "" There is no god, only our own consciousness. ""
Spoke like a true child of satan
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or "..child of satan" more childish ramblings from an ignorant cretin. You religious people must know that you are being laughed at here, no?
WildlySavage 1 month ago
hahahaha the ending
DeathNote207 3 months ago
He doesn't have time to support his religions argument because there isn't enough time in eternity to prove any of it. He basically says, 'It's not a leap of faith.' and proceeds to take a huge leap of faith. He has faith that anything in the bible actually happened. Then, he builds on that faith.
That is a useless thought process. 'I hope I'll live on an island with three breasted alien women. And here is why I will.'
shabido1 3 months ago 18
Don't religious people realise that all these "How do you explain-!?" questions are all arguments from ignorance? This is not a dichotomy. There are more than two options, probably. If the atheists cannot explain something, that does not make god true. If religions had ever presented a logical argument with secure premises, I might be able to lend more credibility to them.
LichQueenKathie 3 months ago 4
@MrReasonFTW
What if the woman has an XXY karyotype? It's even more rare in woman than it is in men, and the Y chromosome would be missing its sex-determining region, due to mutation. Given, the odds that the region would mutate back to being functional in the offspring are infinitesimally small, but the odds in favor of parthenogenesis probably are as well. In fact, the odds would be much better for Jesus having an XX karyotype but a male phenotype.
battousai1373 4 months ago
The very last lines... such a hitchslap.
DJFlozone 4 months ago
All of the so called "miracles" have other explanations.
How come at these so called holy "miracle" sites like Lourdes never have any glass eyes, prosthetic limbs or plastic face reconstructions?
Because there are no "miracles" performed there!
The bible claims many miracles were performed by Jesus but that was thousands of years ago and it was also claimed that true believers could do the same including moving mountains- never happened, never will.
sheilach1 4 months ago
It's sad that in this day and age there are still people arguing for the existence of god. There is no god, so just get over it, move on, and start acting like adults.
mikefromwa 5 months ago
@mikefromwa Don't be so sure. You sound as bigoted as they are... :) WE DON'T KNOW!
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@itsSkmt: "Don't be so sure. You sound as bigoted as they are... :) WE DON'T KNOW!"
You could say the same thing about leprechauns. But do you spend your life worshiping leprechauns? Of course not, because there's no proof for leprechauns, just like there's not a shred of proof for the existence of any god.
The thing is that my position is based on reason and logic. Their position is based on fairy tales and fear.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
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@mikefromwa "There is no god" Some would say that God is the 'ultimate frame of reference'. Meaning for example that, it's more reasonable to assume that intelligence has an Intelligent cause than a non-intelligent origin. God is a reasonable frame of reference for intelligence and reason. Dismissing that offhand is to essentially use a presupposition to defeat another presupposition. In other words - you made a statement of faith.
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standingontruth1 5 months ago
@projectlevydelta That's not the definition of a miracle... According to webster: "an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs". There are loads of unique things in the universe. That does not make them miraculous.
silverstream314 5 months ago
@projectlevydelta That's not the definition of a miracle... According to webster: "an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs". There are loads of unique things in the universe. That does not make them miraculous.
silverstream314 5 months ago
@projectlevydelta That's not the definition of a miracle... According to webster: "an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs". There are loads of unique things in the universe. That does not make them miraculous.
silverstream314 5 months ago
@projectlevydelta You do not suggest that the birth of a child constitutes a miracle, do you?
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lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
@lightandbeautiful Uh, that fits quite well in the definition if you ask me. But still there i no accutal proof for it.
silverstream314 5 months ago
fuck that american is stupid
aguteempasil 5 months ago
That religious guy scare me...
Robertamissoniluv 5 months ago
Elton Trueblood, a renowned scholar said about twenty years ago that in the near future, Christianity would be surrounded by an arrogant and militant paganism-well, here we are.
However, the Son of the living God Himself said, "...the gates of hell shall not prevail."
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@73geneva
Your imaginary friend say anything else?
Waltham1892 5 months ago
@73geneva I don't understand what you posted. Can you please elaborate?
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73geneva 5 months ago
@73geneva Thanks for your reply. I do find it though pretty vague: who are 'people'? By 'False religions' you mean everything which is not Christianity? Or even branches within Christianity? 'From all angles' does not say much either about the nature of these attacks. I'd like just to see more clearly what you are pointing at from your religious perspective.
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@73geneva Thanks for your reply. I do find it though pretty vague: who are 'people'? By 'False religions' you mean everything which is not Christianity? Or even branches within Christianity? 'From all angles' does not say much either about the nature of these attacks. I'd like just to see more clearly what you are pointing at from your religious perspective.
bradmax1 5 months ago
"That's the only thing I'll remember about the entire evening." LOVE IT!
I watched this entire interview on Turdek's channel; WHAT A BAFOON! He actually says, "That's the argument, I don't have time to support it," in a weak attempt to debate the awesome Mr. Hitchens. Isn't that what he's doing? Goofball!
I laugh at you Turdek, I laugh and laugh and laugh at you and all of your kind.
Jbear9 6 months ago
you can see his face turn red when hes just like why arent these ppl folowing me, dont they know about there own religion?
MegaGayCunt 6 months ago
Its amazing that he tried to argue a comparison between a singularity and a miracle. Be religious, believe what you want, but do yourself a favor don't try to support it by debating Hitchens you will lose.
momentofsciencetx 6 months ago 2
Dude with the glasses sounds mad. I guess he's getting upset at the methodical debunking Hitch is doing in front of his eyes.
piratebri 6 months ago 3
rips hitchens a new one........................
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
All I want to say is "That's MISTER HITCHENS to you!"
Moodang1985 6 months ago 2
@Moodang1985 I actually yelled that at another video. My flatmate says I'm crazy because I yelled "No! No you call him Mr Hitchens...No! Stop calling him Christopher! He's Mr Hitchens! You don't deserve to call him Christopher!"
tammyscotland 6 months ago
I cant even imagine being on the religious side and honestly believing that everything hitchens is saying is ridiculous. I cant fathom being in that mind set.
RunfromtheHeathen 7 months ago
@RunfromtheHeathen
It's mind-boggling, isn't it, how learned adult humans living at the same moment in time could posit such wholly opposite viewpoints? Indoctrination is a fierce antagonist. I'm with you, of course, I can't fathom the religious gentleman's mindset, especially after Hitchens's eloquent, tight replies. My brain doesn't work that way.
sccitylhh 6 months ago
Apologists make me sick with their dishonest smoke screens and equivocations.
destronia123 7 months ago 21
stop this "out of nothing" shit...its just as far as we can see.
Rorix9 7 months ago
""other guy is dumbass for not catching that little mistake""
Well we have CH in a lie in that the bible does not say that ALL saints rose but only that many of the saints rose. Did you know that exaggeration is a lie?
Certainly we have strong evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. The only argument that says that others did not arise is the argument from silence. There is no evidence for or against. Its presumption that they looked different than anyone else and appeared to Romans.
j919or 7 months ago
You can tell the girl during 3:19 is questioning her beliefs
upliftzippy 7 months ago
This Christian guy is quite angry and clearly has a guilty conscience about the fatuous remarks he is making. He reacts as if he's being pushed into a corner.
magnuscroify 7 months ago 2
Well, my problem is with both sides. Every person on this earth has the opportunity to believe what they want. My problem is with anyone, being Hitchens or anyone else, thinking they are right. Come back after you die and prove it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!
bottomfeeder73 7 months ago
U mad?
bleah678 7 months ago
God doesen't exist?Miracles don't happen? I am a walking miracle!Iwas in a serious car wreck due to speeding(young and dumb). My dad,who by the way is a very devout believer was with me.He was unscathed.I had broken my neck and a head injury.Was not supposed to live.I lived!Was not supposed to walk.I walked!Why?My family and church prayed for me: ) I am now married with kids,which,as a sci victim I am not supposed to be capable of either! I hope this helps: )
roddy35wv 7 months ago
@roddy35wv So what does it mean when a christian is killed in a car accident? Does that mean that there is no god? People survive car accidents every day and it doesn't require any supernatural interference since the body is perfectly capable of healing itself in a natural way.
dan24b 7 months ago
@roddy35wv
That does not mean anything. To quote Hitchens -- "It would be patronizing to try and explain it".
Caedyron 7 months ago
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Hitchins lies again. Matthew doesnt say ALL the saints of old rose 6.05. Hitchins misquotes Matthew.
j919or 7 months ago
@j919or While it is true that not all saint rose, it says that many did.
"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,"
Still his point does not require all saints to rise; his point is that resurection was not unique according to the bible. This point still stands, and you're really grasping at straws if you think that this is the best way to counter it.
silverstream314 7 months ago 48
@j919or and the other guy is dumbass for not catching that little mistake, even though the bible is his main source of info.
MonkeySpecs301 7 months ago
@j919or Haha what a fool you are. You don't have any real criticisms to make regarding his arguments, so you hide behind a minor error in choice if diction.
patrick112590 6 months ago
@j919or of*
patrick112590 6 months ago
@j919or this christian guy is a retard. is this a creation of god. dumb
melvindavid1622 2 months ago
@melvindavid1622 - this "Christian" guy is one of many reasons I wouldn't want to be in heaven if it existed.
steve51704000 2 months ago
@steve51704000 what are the other reasons?
j919or 2 months ago
Since when does raising from the dead = god?
Zorlogs also raise from the dead all the time and they are not called god!
obaeyens 7 months ago
Hahahaha That Religous Freak is so fucking mad right now.
amnfoliver 7 months ago
A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic...or else he would be the Devil. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and it, the son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher." Lewis
simpson1177 7 months ago
@simpson1177: Based on how he talks here Lewis seems as though he was either never exposed to the idea of a false dichotomy, or was the master of it. That statement is pretty over the top.
DrMenard90 7 months ago
@DrMenard90 It is over the top in what sense? Who do you think Jesus was?
simpson1177 7 months ago
what I find fascinating whenever I witness religious people floundering in the face of science and reason is to ask what is the catalyst which drives them to close their eyes in such a way? I'm sure a study of this would nearly always reveal that it is a feeling of betraying "mummy" or "daddy" should they even consider that religion is (obviously) bullshit. To even question faith is to actually betray their parents/school teacher/cosy foundations.
ryko26 7 months ago
@ryko26: do you copy and past all ur comments?
elipse135 7 months ago
I'm so tired of the blatant misunderstanding of evolution. DNA DIDN'T ARISE BY CHANCE. NO EVOLOLUTIONARY BIOLOGIST THINKS IT AROSE BY CHANCE. IT IS NOT RANDOM CHANCE, NOR IS IT GUIDED. It is the process of variation and nonrandom natural selection. Just look up any video of Richard Dawkins or another real scientist explaining it and it will become quite clear.
ZachRose88 7 months ago
The rational former Englishman vs the the standard irrational and shouting American.
There is no god, there are no gods, they were invented, by a man, starting around five-thousand years ago, no women were involved, and perpetuated by men in all their word of god books (Christian, Jews, Islamists etc), that only men ever since have used to control, and to get rich from, simpletons who believe the bollocks written in them.
newdor 7 months ago
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@DanteDouglas
"the christian guy is a dick."
They usually are. The number of insults I get in my messages from Christians I debate is a very good indication of that.
MomoTheBellyDancer 7 months ago
brilliant. science and religion do not overlap
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
"thats the argument, i don't have time to support it" typical debating from a christian
seroeth 7 months ago
Why is his face red? a little bit devilish.
NorthNorth2009 7 months ago
@NorthNorth2009 Again you are trolling. How about some arguments that tells christianity is the right religion? If you dont have any then dont talk shit.
Insabanua 7 months ago
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NorthNorth2009 7 months ago
@Insabanua because Christians do it better; it's heaven when we come.
NorthNorth2009 7 months ago
I think what annoys me the most about these sort of debates is you can have guys like Dawkins and Hitchens providing the most eloquent, witty, concise arguments possible and the other side just has to say "Muuuh God made it all cos he's amazing!!!....I like to eat soap."
gerrystinks 7 months ago 103
@gerrystinks I was just having a conversation with my mum (no i do not live in my mum's basement wearing a sweaty wife-beater trolling on the internet) that i havn't laughed all day for a numerous reasons which I won't go into, and on reading this comment you really did sincerely make me laugh.
Thanks
greeneyesmax 5 months ago
HE WIPED THE FLOOR WITH THE POOR GUY!:-)
edichkaa 8 months ago
I feel utterly stupid having to rewind the video to understand Hitchens' points... :/
ToAcUt 8 months ago
@ToAcUt LOL sometimes happens to me.
mrabdrum 8 months ago
I think one of the biggest problems the Christian gentlemen had is that he got too rattled-up by Mr. Hitchens. He blew up a lot and resorted to near-yelling a lot. Yes I could talk about the ill-logic of his argument and his lack of evidence, but his attitude is what bothers me most.
TheWanderingAngel 8 months ago
That guy Hitchens is debating is PISSED
matbud14 8 months ago
"Resurrection was something of a banality at the time" Brilliant!
PJDolan1 8 months ago
Frank Turek is such a fucking retard. Entirely ignorant and belligerent, the attitude of most lay-people in a nutshell tbh.
M3t4lManiac 8 months ago
@ripmev yes knowledge is abusive.
skydome29 8 months ago
IS there a chance that the poor guys that argue against Christopher are goats or sacrifices because they get walked on quickly and constantly beat down?? Its just not fair at all.
jazzhawkus 8 months ago
2:28 .. some funny shit
Codfert970 8 months ago
love the end, hitch slapped!
frankdarabont 8 months ago
Arguing with a christian is fucked up. They are so arrogant. They simply believe in all this bullshit hocus-pocus and that's perfect: everyone who doesn't is damned and they smugly carry on. No amount of common sense will change anything unless they have a few brain cells and can use them to actually think.
cochranexyz 8 months ago
All religious people are foolish.
AnotherAgnostic 8 months ago 45
@AnotherAgnostic why so, explain ones self dear boy. i was educated at balliol college yet i believe in him.
british123able 8 months ago
@british123able, your statement proves my point... just because you went to a really old and famous college doesn't make you impervious to foolishness. Your probably a smart and nice person but the fact remains that if your religious then that indicates a certain degree of foolishness. To be religious means to base your ideas about reality on conjecture, hearsay and faith instead of logic, reason and facts. Just calling the kettle black my friend.
AnotherAgnostic 8 months ago
@british123able
Which "him" ?
Perhaps you refer to Christopher, or even Rosa - both former inmates at balliol.
tellnet 7 months ago
@AnotherAgnostic fuck you
gogolplex74 7 months ago
@AnotherAgnostic ... in clinging to age-old irrational beliefs. I'm sure they're not completely foolish... are they?
GabSte1989 6 months ago
@GabSte1989, I think that clinging to age-old irrational beliefs is definitely foolish, especially if you realize they are irrational but still hold to them.
AnotherAgnostic 6 months ago
@AnotherAgnostic Damned YouTube always tricks me with those first comments. I forget to look for the actual chain of discussion in the bulk. "Fuck you" "...in clinging to etc etc." *Sigh*... ruins the intent. That's beside the point, however, and I'm done ranting.
GabSte1989 6 months ago
@AnotherAgnostic Not always, there still are some of us who are sensible... Not to many, but some.. GOD BLESS YOU!!! haha
mayhoo22 6 months ago
@mayhoo22, thank you, can use all I can get.
AnotherAgnostic 6 months ago
@AnotherAgnostic Haha but seriously though I'm religious and I have no problem with Hitchens or atheists for that matter. Seriously though have a nice day!
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@AnotherAgnostic So you know all of the religious people out there?
writersblock26 6 months ago
@AnotherAgnostic Really? And you know happen to know all of the religious people out there?
writersblock26 5 months ago
@writersblock26, nice try at spinning the issue... of course I don't know all religious people... DUH! I don't need to know all the religious people to know they are all foolish... they think that Mickey Mouse is God... or whatever other fictional character is God... that indicates that they are fools. Just calling the kettle black.
AnotherAgnostic 5 months ago
@AnotherAgnostic You mean you are "[calling] a spade a spade." Otherwise, you would be implying that you are being hypocritical, i.e., the "pot calling the kettle black."
writersblock26 5 months ago
I think it very possible, even likely, that the big bang and other foundational scientific ideas will evolve beyond our current understanding. There will always be mystery, and there will also (i hope!) always be an expanding knowledge. No understanding is infinite, though it's a key attribute of most understanding's to claim infinite status (like god). I'm excited by new ideas and at the same time, don't want to attach myself to them as 'truths'.
alohaoliwa 8 months ago
Science is awesome!
RelLusion 8 months ago
Every time that Christian opponent chirps up it makes me jump. Calm the fuck down and speak normally :|