Niko ne zna,ali ovaj avion je zapravo proizvod vojne spijunaze,jer je isto bilo i sa ORAO J22 avionom,doslo je i do diplomatskih konflikata izmedju Francuske i Jugoslavije u to vreme,ovo je zapravo RAFALE,izgledaju 100% isto.
@Swertzer a Rafale je verzija Eurofightera koju je Francuska odlučila samostalno razvit jer su vidjeli da je EF nepotrebno dizajnerski pretjeran sa mnogobrojnim zahtjevima različitih strana, onda su izašli iz EF programa i odmah prodali Jugi svoj dizajn, mi smo ga prilagodili svojim potrebama al bi ipak koristili francuske motore i radare i još ponešto. Ljudi se pitaju zašto bi Francuska to napravila, pa da proda motore i radare i logikom količine smanji trošak proizvodnje po jednoj jedinici.
Kao avion,Rafale je stariji par godina,ali kao projekat(od crteza na papiru,prototip i prvi let.) je stariji dosta od EF,zato sam rekao da ta opcija u kojoj je Rafale verzija Eurofightera,jer Francuska nije ni ucestvovala u tom projektu a i nema nijednog EF u svojoj vojsci.
Francuska razvaljuje sto se aviona tice,ona je sama uradila bolji avion nego 4 okolne drzave zajedno.
Was not actually "ahead" since the Taiwanese Gyeongguk was developed in 1989, then manufactured in some quantity and put into actual service. It is planned to be modernised and a few new improved aircraft were made. Yugoslavia didn't have the industrial capabilities required to make major components of modern aircraft so most parts would have been imported anyway.
@ZVERCO666 Supersonic nije bio kopija Rafale već njegova jednomotorna alternativa sa istim motorom, radarom i gotovo identičnom elektronikom i oružnim sistemima ali sa daleko nižom cenom održavanja (zbog toga što je jednomotorac) ali i niže nabavne cene. Jedini aspekti u kojima bio bio inferioran u odnosu na Rafale je masa korisnog tovara.
A šta ti treba veći dolet za odbranu SFRJ? Pri brzinama od preko 1500 km/h ne možeš ništa drugo sem da letiš pravo napred. Za borbu treba usporiti debelo ispod da bi uopšte video šta radiš.
Ma šta ja trošim vreme ... Ako si iz Zenice kao što piše, evo ovako imaš aero modelarske Aeroklubove u Visokom i u Mostaru, vode ih moji veliki prijatelji i izuzetni stručnjaci ... idi malo pa se obrazuj, a možda ti bude i zabavno :)
@xzenicax da upravu si zenicaninu ali ovaj kako ti tazes jugoslovenski lav je gotovo 2 metra kraci od F16 sto je veca prednost nego na sto F16 ide max 2300 ili domet 4100 i jos nesto F16 je nula kakvih aviona ima kao naprimer pogledaj malo MIG 35 e to je zvjerka a F16 da valja jos bi ga amerika koristila nebi pravili F18 logicno
@manijak1976 F16 i F18 se koriste paralelno. F18 je razvijen za potrebe mornarice i mornaričke avijacije a F16 koristi vazduhoplovstvo. Uloge su iste samo u različitim rodovima.
it's a look like one-engine version of French Rafale, look the air intake model. Snecma engine and 5.56 mm ammo? Look like Serbia in the road to NATO membership, unfortunately....NATO is a crook! Serbia must create they own aircraft and cooperate with Russia or China.
As for new Serbia planes, 3 squadrons of used F-16s and 1 squadron of used Su-27(or J11) would be good. This would be a low-cost solution. Russia is not going to transfer key technology or provide any related work/job opportunities anyway.The mig 29 is not a vialbe option for any country; the Su27 series is a best-seller.
Was contemporary with AIDC F-CK-1. Another video suggests that some development work was continued in the '90s(the one with the simulator cockpit with pepsi roundel). Taiwan can't buy anything from anyone so it has designed an F-35 look-alike with some (informal) assistance from Russia.The problem with Taiwan is lack of will and resolution when compared with Korea or Japan.
@guille6362 Speaking of Grippen, that would be a perfect next fighter for Serbia too. By the way, there's some info circling around about Grippens making great kills as Red force in NATO exercises. Allegedly, US pilots requesting F22 to get upper hand against Grippens.
@tgaarder1 I definitively believe that!. The USA has always tried to destroy better aircraft that would compete with their sale of F-16. They killed the Lavi, SAIA-90, F-20; they reduced the performance of the ADIC F-ck fighter and the AT-50. They tried to stop Pakistanis development of the JF-17 with China
@guille6362 Funny you should mention F16! Serbia few weeks ago called manufacturers to compete for the next fighter. Everybody showed up except SAAB. Maybe SAAB knows something more? SAAB would be ideal because of industrial cooperation that usually comes with the purchase. That means preserved old jobs and many new local jobs created. Serbian industry too gets hands on 5th gen tech. Some say, regardless it will be F16 low used. Cheap to buy, expensive to maintain and no local jobs.
@guille6362 ok you idiot F-20 was an American plane, the SAIA-90 was killed because Argentina had lost the Falkland War in the 80's and the country become more pacifist, they even killed their new rifle and the TAM tank, Lavi was true but they got a better deal with the F-16 and the ADIC Fck was done thanks to US technology, it was made as a defensive weapon so the PRC does not bitch
@guille6362 Right. Cos this is definitely nothing like an F16 with canards? And the Gripen is an advancement of the Viggen, they didn't copy anything from this!
Niko ne zna,ali ovaj avion je zapravo proizvod vojne spijunaze,jer je isto bilo i sa ORAO J22 avionom,doslo je i do diplomatskih konflikata izmedju Francuske i Jugoslavije u to vreme,ovo je zapravo RAFALE,izgledaju 100% isto.
Dok je ORAO J22 zapravo SEPECAT Jaguar.
Verujte mi,ovim se bavim...
Ako nista vise,spijunaza je veliki podvig.
Swertzer 3 months ago 2
@Swertzer a Rafale je verzija Eurofightera koju je Francuska odlučila samostalno razvit jer su vidjeli da je EF nepotrebno dizajnerski pretjeran sa mnogobrojnim zahtjevima različitih strana, onda su izašli iz EF programa i odmah prodali Jugi svoj dizajn, mi smo ga prilagodili svojim potrebama al bi ipak koristili francuske motore i radare i još ponešto. Ljudi se pitaju zašto bi Francuska to napravila, pa da proda motore i radare i logikom količine smanji trošak proizvodnje po jednoj jedinici.
hrvatskasad 3 weeks ago
@hrvatskasad
A ne,zato sto je Rafale mnogo stariji(10-15 godina kao projekat),tako da to pada u vodu.
Swertzer 3 weeks ago
Rafale 15 godina stariji od EF? ne svadjam se, raspravljam :)
hrvatskasad 3 weeks ago
@hrvatskasad /watch?v=CyKClEx_pWk
hrvatskasad 3 weeks ago
@hrvatskasad
Manje od 15,tacno ne znam koliko.
Kao avion,Rafale je stariji par godina,ali kao projekat(od crteza na papiru,prototip i prvi let.) je stariji dosta od EF,zato sam rekao da ta opcija u kojoj je Rafale verzija Eurofightera,jer Francuska nije ni ucestvovala u tom projektu a i nema nijednog EF u svojoj vojsci.
Francuska razvaljuje sto se aviona tice,ona je sama uradila bolji avion nego 4 okolne drzave zajedno.
Daleko od svadje. :)
Swertzer 3 weeks ago
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@Swertzer e pa pogledaj ovaj dokumentarac o EF, kazu da je Franc bila jedan od pokretaca projekta EF i da su nakon izlaska napravili Rafale.
Mašala, hvala za info! :)
/watch?v=CyKClEx_pWk
hrvatskasad 3 weeks ago
Was not actually "ahead" since the Taiwanese Gyeongguk was developed in 1989, then manufactured in some quantity and put into actual service. It is planned to be modernised and a few new improved aircraft were made. Yugoslavia didn't have the industrial capabilities required to make major components of modern aircraft so most parts would have been imported anyway.
xxwzaebd 4 months ago
Da li si ti uradio clanak u vikipediji o ovom avnoiu!?
crnitrn 5 months ago
Ma sta se lozite?! Ovo bi bilo jadna kopija Rafala. Max 70 posto rafalovih mogucnosti.
ZVERCO666 6 months ago
@ZVERCO666 Supersonic nije bio kopija Rafale već njegova jednomotorna alternativa sa istim motorom, radarom i gotovo identičnom elektronikom i oružnim sistemima ali sa daleko nižom cenom održavanja (zbog toga što je jednomotorac) ali i niže nabavne cene. Jedini aspekti u kojima bio bio inferioran u odnosu na Rafale je masa korisnog tovara.
Militarija 4 months ago 2
@Militarija Sigurno. Kao orao sto je bio konkurentan u svoje vreme izmedju ostalih.
ZVERCO666 4 months ago
IMA I PEPSI AVION HAHAHA A JAĐANI REKLI BI CRNOKURCI,....
dylanfloyd777 8 months ago
koliko sam ja shvatio
F16 domet oko 4000+
brizna oko 2300 Km/h
ovaj JUGOSLAVENSKI LAV
domet 3750
brzina 2000 Km/h
xzenicax 9 months ago
@xzenicax
A šta ti treba veći dolet za odbranu SFRJ? Pri brzinama od preko 1500 km/h ne možeš ništa drugo sem da letiš pravo napred. Za borbu treba usporiti debelo ispod da bi uopšte video šta radiš.
Ma šta ja trošim vreme ... Ako si iz Zenice kao što piše, evo ovako imaš aero modelarske Aeroklubove u Visokom i u Mostaru, vode ih moji veliki prijatelji i izuzetni stručnjaci ... idi malo pa se obrazuj, a možda ti bude i zabavno :)
aeromodelar 6 months ago
@aeromodelar 1) napisao sam da bi ovaj lovac imao brzinu 2000 km/h sto je odlicno za avion osmisljen 90tih
2) imao bi odlican radar
3)lovac mora da bude brz,okretan mozda brzina neznaci u dog fiht situaciji ali itekako znaci u drugim strategijama,
4)ogromna je razlika izmedju tih tvojih aviona na propelere i ovih "muskih"aviona
lijep pozz iz zenice !
xzenicax 6 months ago
@xzenicax da upravu si zenicaninu ali ovaj kako ti tazes jugoslovenski lav je gotovo 2 metra kraci od F16 sto je veca prednost nego na sto F16 ide max 2300 ili domet 4100 i jos nesto F16 je nula kakvih aviona ima kao naprimer pogledaj malo MIG 35 e to je zvjerka a F16 da valja jos bi ga amerika koristila nebi pravili F18 logicno
manijak1976 4 months ago
@manijak1976 F16 i F18 se koriste paralelno. F18 je razvijen za potrebe mornarice i mornaričke avijacije a F16 koristi vazduhoplovstvo. Uloge su iste samo u različitim rodovima.
Militarija 4 months ago
it's a look like one-engine version of French Rafale, look the air intake model. Snecma engine and 5.56 mm ammo? Look like Serbia in the road to NATO membership, unfortunately....NATO is a crook! Serbia must create they own aircraft and cooperate with Russia or China.
SuyantoNg80 9 months ago 6
@SuyantoNg80 actually it is one-engine version of French Rafale
pavle202 6 months ago
As for new Serbia planes, 3 squadrons of used F-16s and 1 squadron of used Su-27(or J11) would be good. This would be a low-cost solution. Russia is not going to transfer key technology or provide any related work/job opportunities anyway.The mig 29 is not a vialbe option for any country; the Su27 series is a best-seller.
xxwzaebd 9 months ago
Was contemporary with AIDC F-CK-1. Another video suggests that some development work was continued in the '90s(the one with the simulator cockpit with pepsi roundel). Taiwan can't buy anything from anyone so it has designed an F-35 look-alike with some (informal) assistance from Russia.The problem with Taiwan is lack of will and resolution when compared with Korea or Japan.
xxwzaebd 9 months ago
pa gde je taj avion?
gazela1993 1 year ago
@gazela1993 Где и стара држава...
vukashin88 1 year ago
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Fantastic Aircraft! Definitely ahead of its time. The Grippen copied has taken many of the concepts of your design.
guille6362 1 year ago
Fantastic Aircraft! Definitely ahead of its time. The Grippen copied many of the concepts of your design.
guille6362 1 year ago 16
@guille6362 Speaking of Grippen, that would be a perfect next fighter for Serbia too. By the way, there's some info circling around about Grippens making great kills as Red force in NATO exercises. Allegedly, US pilots requesting F22 to get upper hand against Grippens.
tgaarder1 1 year ago
@tgaarder1 I definitively believe that!. The USA has always tried to destroy better aircraft that would compete with their sale of F-16. They killed the Lavi, SAIA-90, F-20; they reduced the performance of the ADIC F-ck fighter and the AT-50. They tried to stop Pakistanis development of the JF-17 with China
guille6362 1 year ago
@guille6362 Funny you should mention F16! Serbia few weeks ago called manufacturers to compete for the next fighter. Everybody showed up except SAAB. Maybe SAAB knows something more? SAAB would be ideal because of industrial cooperation that usually comes with the purchase. That means preserved old jobs and many new local jobs created. Serbian industry too gets hands on 5th gen tech. Some say, regardless it will be F16 low used. Cheap to buy, expensive to maintain and no local jobs.
tgaarder1 1 year ago
@guille6362 ok you idiot F-20 was an American plane, the SAIA-90 was killed because Argentina had lost the Falkland War in the 80's and the country become more pacifist, they even killed their new rifle and the TAM tank, Lavi was true but they got a better deal with the F-16 and the ADIC Fck was done thanks to US technology, it was made as a defensive weapon so the PRC does not bitch
you are an idiot
tHeWasTeDYouTh 1 year ago
@guille6362 Sure!
ZVERCO666 6 months ago
@guille6362 Right. Cos this is definitely nothing like an F16 with canards? And the Gripen is an advancement of the Viggen, they didn't copy anything from this!
staggabob 4 months ago
Bravo za trud,a mogla bi druga muzika.
merimeri7 2 years ago
super video!!!
mozda muzika moze da bude bolja
al sve u svemu odlicno!!!
zile333 2 years ago