ANTV Report; Ahmadiyya Persecution in Indonesia

[1ahmadimuslim]

@hatempl077

I m an ahmadi cus I read abt it n found it true

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[talhaahmed22]

@1ahmadimuslim

What truth did you find in Ahmadiyyat? some nutty guy who dreamed up a false ideology?

[hatemPLO77]

Ahmadiyya is not related to Islam any more, all muslems over all of world knew that Ahmadiyya is a Kafir group, please go and read about Ahmadiyya and about Mirza Ghulam Ahmed carefully befor consider it as a part of Islam

[ThePersecution]

@hatem Jews also considered the Jesus and his Jamaat as being outside the pale of Judaism. Who was truly Kafir in sight of Allah then? Jews or Jesus? Today also, if your corrupt Mullahs have issued fatwahs of kufr against us jointly (despite having individual fatwahs of kufr against eachother), it holds no significance in the sight of Allah whatsoever. Your Mullahs are only doing what they are good at (ie. issing fatwahs of kufr and hate against anyone that goes against their irrational beliefs)

[samwar9023]

@hatemPLO77

How gave you this athority to decide hwo is muslim and how is not ... Only Allah can decide.

You shold ythink about it. The muslim like you are showing the wrong face of Islam. Quran has already war about you. 

[samwar9023]

@hatemPLO77

How gave you this athority to decide hwo is muslim and how is not ... Only Allah can decide.

You shold ythink about it. The muslim like you are showing the wrong face of Islam. Quran has already war about you.

[hatemPLO77]

to all people look to the manar of Ahmadiyya followers how they are unpolit and describe any person not in Ahmadiyya as kafir, we said to Ahamdiyya people you are in wrong way, come back to Islam.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, People who come to my channel would be able to see easily as to who has been unreasonable and irrational here. Just go back and see your previous comments yourself and check who exactly has used the term Kafir for whom. By the way anyone who has rejected a true prophet of God has rejected Allah and is a Kafir as per the teachings of Quran. I would like to hear from you as to what do you think of those people who will reject the truth of "Imam Mahdi" you are "waiting" for when he "comes"?

[hatemPLO77]

The Quran teach us that Muhamed is the latest prophet from the God, and who is rejected that is kafir, Mirza Ghulam never to be prophet or Mahdi, the Mahdi his name is Muhamed and his father name is Abdulla, read Sunnah clearly.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, Finality of prophethood can be discussed with you in detail too if you wish but first answer my question. You have said that Ahmadis consider everyone outside their Jamaat as Kafir. My question to you is that for arguments sake when "your Imam Mahdi" comes what would be your belief in regards to those who would reject him? We will come to the other issues later but first resolve this.

[hatemPLO77]

repeated the question many times and you are not ready to understand, Al Mahdi Al Montathar will come ( Fee aakher Al zaman) as my latest prophet Muhamed said in the Hadeeth Shareef.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, You are not listening. All your issues can be discussed one by one. We will discuss "Finality of Prophethood", "the identity of Imam Mahdi ie. if he would be from the physical or spiritual progeny of Holy Prophet, the tasks of Mahdi ie. killing of swine, breaking of cross etc. These tasks have all been fulfilled. First explain your position in regards to those who would reject "Imam Mahdi" of "your" understanding". Would they be kafir or believers according to you?

[hatemPLO77]

Muhamed(salla alah alaih wa sallam) describe our Mahdi in Hadeeth Shareef, he said Mahdi his name is as my name and his father name is as my father name, he will born in Al Madina Al Monawarh city and he is from me(it means his first grandfather is Muhamed).

[ThePersecution]

hatem, Also just watch this video:

/watch?v=yD0ZUeMHKU8

Disbelievers wouldn't believe regardless. They will find excuses one after the other. A so called "Mahdi" who fulfilled the criteria that you are setting here but still he was killed. I will explain to you the true meaning of such Ahadith once we come to the issue. But let us both discuss each issue one by one starting from the question that I have asked you and then we will move to Finality of Prophethood.

[hatemPLO77]

Also Muhamed (salla alah alaih wa sallam) describe Mahdi that he will break the cross and kill the pigs, tell me now form all what i said what is matching between Hadeeth Shareef evedince and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.( no match)

[ThePersecution]

hatem, All these tasks have been fufilled but first I would like to hear from you as to what do you understand by these terms. ie. killing of pigs and breaking of cross?

[hatemPLO77]

i am asking you, and you return the question to me!!

[ThePersecution]

hatem, In simple words this is what discussion is all about. It is not that one person keeps on asking questions and when counter question is asked from him he chooses to run away. You have asked a few questions and it seems that you have a certain understanding of these hadiths which certainly according to you haven't been fulfilled. So give your understanding first so that we can move forward.

[hatemPLO77]

tell us what Mirza Ghulam did for Muhamdi Beegom and for her husband? Mirza Gulam threat Muhamdi Beegom because of refusing him, after that he threat her husband, and nothing happend to them because he cant do anything.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, As I said earlier you have got no knowledge on the issue. You only know what you read in anti-Ahmadiyya websites. The prophecy of Promised Messiah regarding marriage to Muhammadi Begum was before her marriage. I have already explained as to why Promised Messiah asked her father to marry her with him (being cousin). I am sure you would know what happened to her father after refusing this proposal. According to prophecy if he didn't repent he had to die within 2 years...

[ThePersecution]

...The father not only refused the proposal, but increased in his disbelief and didn't repent. What happened to him? You must know it or is it something that your Mullahs didn't tell you? He died within the next 6 months in complete accordance with the prophecy. The whole prophecy was conditional on repentance. A sincere repentance would have averted the result and this is exactly what happened in case of Muhammadi Begum and her husband Mr. Sultan Muhammad...

[ThePersecution]

hatem, I don't know if you are aware of Jonah's (AS) prophecy of his nations distruction because of their disbelief. He left them thinking that they will be destroyed next day. What happened to them do you know? They repented and their punishment was averted by God Almighty. Same is the situation in this case as well only if you could see.

[hatemPLO77]

Muhamed Beegom and her husban lived in a happy life more than 40 years after Mirza Ghulam died? read about Mirza Ghulam's lies when he said that the God will destroy their life and nothing happend to them.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, I have already answered you so don't repeat yourself. Muhammadi Begum's father didn't repent and died within the time period prophecied by the Promised Messiah. Muhammadi Begum and her husband however sincerely repented before God after seeing this. God averted the punishment from them as the prophecy was conditional on repentance.Quran mentions similar case regarding the people of Jonah (Younas AS).He gave them a time limit but the punishment was averted by Allah on their repentance.

[hatemPLO77]

what lies you are talking, because nothing happed to Muhamedi Beegom and her husband you said they repented, stop lies, tell your Ahmadiyya's Mullas to stop lies form Mirza Ghulam.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, Why do you insist on making fool of yourself here? I have in a gist explained to you here the whole thing in its complete context. Now if you want to read the account of Mr. Sultan Ahmad (her husband) himself go to the link I have provided and read what he had to say about the whole issue. So once again my advice to you is to act in a humble way and do not transgress against someone who was sent by God.

[hatemPLO77]

sure you are stubied and unpolit, you will not understand and never to be understod, dont say Mirza from God, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad from evil (Shaitan), all muslims know that Ahmadiyya is Kafir, get out.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, You know enemies of Holy Prophet also claim him to be from devil God fobid. So your statement doesn't surprise me even a bit. Even if "all" the "Muslims" considered us as kafir, I wouldn't have been surprised.Afterall Holy Prophet himself had prophecied more than 1400 yrs ago about this time when Muslims had to divide into 73 sects and out of them 72 had to be on one side and only ONE Jamaat on the other ie.the true path. So enjoy your company of 72, we are happy being on the other side.

[hatemPLO77]

you and Ahmadiyya are from 72 in Jahanam, and your Boss Mirza Ghulam Ahmed the evil of our time in Jahanam, Al hamdullah we are in the way of Prophet Muhamed, right Islam ( Ahl Al Sonna wa Al Jamaah).

[ThePersecution]

hatem, Well my videos should be a proof enough for any unbiased and honest person as to who is following whome. Your so called "ahl al sonna wa jammah" and other organisations are persecuting Ahmadi Muslims in the same way as the enemies of Islam persecuted Holy Prophet and his followers for their faith. So who is in heaven and who is in hell is a matter which I would advise you to leave to God alone. Don't play god on earth here rather seek His forgiveness with humility and sincerity.

[hatemPLO77]

still no answer form your side regarding the Mahdi as per Hadeeth of Muhamed( salla lah alaih wa sallam) that Mahdi his name is same name of Muhamed and his father name is Abdulla, so is Mirza Gulam Ahmed as per above to consider him as Mahdi.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, According to you these hadiths have literal meanings. Those who take these hadiths in which the name of Mahdi has been declared to be that of Holy Prophet etc. should watch the video that I have given you the link of. A non-Ahmadi Molvi explains what happened to a self claiming Mahdi whose name was Muhammd and his father's name was Abdullah. He was rejected and was killed in Saudi Arabia. I will explain our position, don't you worry. First answer the questions that I have asked you.

[hatemPLO77]

again you escaped from my question, tell the people you have not answer, anthor question to you, what is meaning (Khatam) in Arabic language?

[ThePersecution]

hatem, No I am certainly very interested to discuss the issue of Finality of Prophethood and all the rest. I will discuss with you the use of word "Khatam" in detail too so don't worry. First answer the questions that I have asked you. You have not answered a single counter question that I posed at you. It doesn't help the discussion if you runaway from answering anything. So go back and try to understand what has been asked from you and then answer them. Everything is in plain simple language.

[hatemPLO77]

your comments are huge without any meaning, please write in sammry with clear language and dont tell me see this link or that link, if you have answer tell us or admit that Ahmadiyya have not any answer.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, We have answer to everything with the grace and mercy of Allah. You need to act in a more intelligent way and also answer the counter questions that are asked from you. This is how a dialogue takes place. So go back and read what I have asked from you in relation to your questions. It is all very simple, there is nothing complicated about it.

[hatemPLO77]

I think you should take training in how to contact with the people in polite way, and training in how to manage the dialogue and avoid escaping from muslims answer, also I advise to read more about Islam and dont be blind.

[Shariffumbrah]

@hatemPLO77 here is my suggestion; if you just want to win for any of those discussions, then it's ok you now won according to your own perception. but... i dont think you are right. Because, their are millions who accepted the Mahdi. you mean they are all wrong? including a nobel laureate? here is another solution; you should sincerely meet a learned Ahmadi and clarify your belief...don't be emotional.....our Nabi SAW had said of his 73 ummah....you have no authority to point on whosoever..

[hatemPLO77]

@Shariffumbrah

we know the truth of QADIANIA relgion more than you, Ahamdiyya or Qadianiyya is just the hand of Occupation those people dosnt know what Ahmadiya urges their followers, but when they know the truth you will not find any one in Ahmadiyya

[hatemPLO77]

I want you to read from Mirza Ghulam's letters and his books to know the truth that he is not Mahdi, he is not Prophet, think little bit, the latest Prophet from Allah was Muhamed and no more prophet.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, You are again repeating yourself. I have already explained I have read the writings of Promised Messiah (AS) ie. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, in their complete context unlike yourself whose source of information is anti-Ahmadiyya websites who only tell you what they want to propagate ie. falsehood. Your knowledge regarding the issue of Muhammadi Begum just speaks volumens about your "weath" of "knowledge". So only speak if you have something intelligent to say.

[hatemPLO77]

To all muslims becarefull from Ahmadiyya, those people who is following Ahamadiyya is not a muslims, because Ahamadiyya is not belive in Muhamed as the latest prophet from Allah.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, What an ignorant comment! Have you done any research on Ahmadiyya community in Islam or are you saying what your Mullahs have told you. Ahmadi Muslims believe Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to be the last law bearing prophet and Quran to be the final Book of guiance from God. We do however reject to follow the interpretation of Quran presented by the illiterate Mullahs of today. We consider Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be subordinate prophet of Holy Prohpet who came to revive Islam.

[hatemPLO77]

I think you did not read the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed very clearly, read it again and you will find that he consider himself as prophet not subordinate only.

[hatemPLO77]

next time dont describe any comments as ignorant, our Mullas are better than your stubied Mirza Ghulam Ahmed who cancelled the meaning of Gihad.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, I have read the books of the Promised Messiah very clearly and in their full context. I am not like your Mullahs who take things out of context to twist things. So Promised Messiah never claimed himself to be a "mustaqil" (permanent/lawbearing) prophethood. You however need to read his writings from his books and not from anti-Ahmadiyya websites that are there only to spread lies. Secondly, Jihad is a very broad term, he didn't suspend all types of JIHAD. Watch: /watch?v=6sH2lk33UsM

[hatemPLO77]

did you read the history of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed? did you read his history with the married woman called Muhamdi Beegom, please answer or you want me to tell you the truth.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, As I said earlier, I know the history and the teachings of Promised Messiah (AS) very well because my research is based on honest, with taqwah, and an unprejudice approach. Unlike yourself, I see from my own eyes without the agency of the spectacles provided by the illiterate and corrupt Mullahs of yours. Muhammad Begum is an example of same corruption by your Mullahs. To see the facts in its full context:

/watch?v=eqfUK0Gap-E

Open the window of your heart to let the light enter in it

[hatemPLO77]

again talking about Mullas, I am not following anybody, I am reading by my self all the documents where wrote by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and I knew the fact, he was beg laier.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, If you were reading everything in their full context you would never raise this question that only shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. You have only read one side of the story that your Mullahs like you to see. Getting your information from anti-Ahmadiyya is certainly like following your Mullahs. Those who run these anti-Ahmadiyya websites follow and are backed by these illiterate and corrupt Mullahs of today. The link I have given explaines the matter in detail.

[hatemPLO77]

again you escaped from my question, who is Muhamdi Beegom?, tell the people, i know you will not answer, go and ask your Ahmeadiyya Mullas what Mirza Gulam did with that lady.

[ThePersecution]

hatem, Nobody is "escaping" from the question. Why would I give you the link that answers this allegation if I want to "escape" from the question?I don't need to ask anything from anyone unlike yourself regarding this issue. Muhammad Begum was the cousin of Promised Messiah (AS) and belonged to a family with extreme atheistic views. They had even started condemning the Muslim marriages between cousins as foul.They openly criticised the marriage of Holy Prophet with his cousin Hadhrat Zainab...

[ThePersecution]

...This is a small background of the whole issue. These views of her family were the reason of Allah's revelation to Promised Messiah in which her father had to bring his daughter in marriage with her cousin against their atheistic views. Now how Allah fulfilled everything according to the conditions of prophecy is amazing: alislam . o r g / books / truth / prophecy . h t m l

So for once open the window of your heart and let the light enter in it too.

[huffypuffy101]

ahmadiyya kafirs

[cankhadim]

excuse me? did u know Muhammad SAW outlawed anyone from doing that, REPENT from your sins!