I have never looked at it in this way. But you sure spoke the truth. God wants us to praise and receive his blessings. In name of Jesus we are advised that with the blessings and joy of life we openly engage of God's creation, we must be willing to take responsibility. If we can't take responsibility which excludes shutting him off and taking complete control from him. Then we need to learn how to maintain our holy walk and keep his temple (our body) holy by staying humble.
The Catholic Church is not against sex education and family planning per se. She is against the immoral means or methods by which they are being implemented. And the end does not justify the means. Any family planning scheme that is premised on materialism and relativism is anti-God and anti-life. The prevention of the fertilization of the egg cell or implantation of the fertilized egg cell through human intervention is a sin because it frustrates the will of God to create human life.
Customers? You have no idea how ignorant you sound, whoever "TheYouTubeRipper" is. I am Catholic, and the Church is against contraception because it defeats the purpose of sex. It is meant to reproduce through the union of the two in love. There's no "Oh I want more customers for the Church!" That's just stupid, my jaw literally dropped from how messed up your comment is.
We should remember, however, that this doctrine was not created by Christ Himself, but but celibate priests. Priests take a vow of celibacy when they are ordained, and they believe that it is just as easy for married couples.
I understand that the opposition to contraceptives is supposed to represent respect for human life. But telling a couple that they are not allowed to have sex, except to have children, is disrespectful to romantic love, which is a gift from God.
Your comment did not make any sense at the end though: I understand, and accept that contraceptives do not represent respect and dignity for human life. Yet, romantic love is the love which children are created from. Through the union of a man and woman, and through the physical love of sexual intercourse, comes out children. From the love which is created, the ultimate outcome of that love is children. Without the option of children, the romantic love is basically in vain of itself.
Do not misinterpret my comment as an opposition to having children; indeed Christians are not having big enough families today. If a couple wants to use contraception, they should still accept any children that they may have, since there is still a slight chance of pregnancy. The Bible says nothing of contraception, and it is foolish to accept only the beliefs of clergy who are not acquainted with romantic love, having taken vows of celibacy.
@TonoFonseca: Well I guess your right, but I always sort of considered it along the same lines as Abortion in the bible. Abortion is never really directly mentioned much, yet if you look at jewish traditions at that time they believed that Abortion was wrong. I don't know what their view on contraceptives was though. That is something I will have to look into.
I read somewhere that Jewish couples are expected to "make love often", apparently in agreeance with my own theory. I am a staunch opponent to abortion; did you know that in many places tax dollars go to funding abortions, and that abortions are often scheduled ahead of necessary surgery? Or, that babies who are 8 or 9 months into the pregnancy can be aborted? Terrible.
Apparently women are child bearing machines......give me a break. :P How can a woman get a decent career or have any kind of life when she's constantly conceiving and caring for children? I'm not just speaking for women. This is ridiculous for a man as well. But I won't preach because this is obsolete and not worth even arguing about. It's laughable to be honest. Are we going to start burning "witches" now too? *rolls eyes*
You would at least agree, of the dangers of overpopulation and AIDS, protecting against the dangers of one's wife having ill health where a child birth could kill her - Matthew 7:12; Luke 6:31.
So that's where I stand on the matter. And it is apparent many millions of Roman Catholic church ignore the ban every day. At least according to most sources.
Sexual relations between husband and wife are a God-given gift. But procreation is not their sole purpose. Sexual relations also allow a married couple to express tenderness and affection for each another. - Proverbs 5:15, 18, 19; Romans 14:4, 10-13.
He selfishly laid bare her nakedness but withheld from her the rightful due of motherhood. But brother-in-law marriage was done away with Christ's atoning blood.
After the death of his brother Er, Onan was instructed by his father Judah to perform brother-in-law marriage with Tamar. This was with the express purpose of raising up offspring for his dead brother. He would have no right to have relations with her otherwise. - Gen. 38:8-10. (verse 8)
But you would agree that nowhere does the Bible command Christians to procreate. God told the first human couple and Noahs family: Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth. But this command was not repeated to Christians. (Genesis 1:28; 9:1)
It was only in the 13th century that Gregory IX enacted what the New Catholic Encyclopedia calls the first universal legislation by a pope against contraception.
Hi, I am very fascianted with your video, I am 17 years old and will be married one day, when God says its time. I have not found the right guy yet but, I had some questions, what about people who do not have the funds to take care of all the children. I understand that children are blessings, but with children there is no time to work to make money and take care of all of them. Can you talk in further detail with me about this??
I don't see how parenthood has anything to do with true love.
Some people want to be parents and some don't. M
My relationship just passed its 32 year mark, but neither of us ever woke up one day and thought, "Gee, wouldn't it be nice to have a son or a daughter"? It just never happened.
The key is to use 3 methods of birth control all at once, every time.
God doesn't want you to be a parent if you don't have any desire to. That's the craziest concept of God I've ever heard of!
i cant believe that you are taking a fairy tale book so seriously that you are going to tell people not to wear condoms.
is there such a thing as a virgin birth or a man who walks on water. .. ? take it how you want man but dont tell others its a sin to take a hormone pill or wear a condom. you really cant get more ridiculous.
I was not expecting to hear a rational reason against the use of contraception and I was not disappointed. That we live in an overpopulated world where lack of birth control = disease, starvation and death on a planet of dwindling resources doesn't mean a damn to you.
There is something about religion and it's primitive dogma that cripples rationality and critical thinking as is the case here.
True love is all or nothing. Contraception in not "all". Its saying "I love you BUT you can't have my fertitlity", "I love you BUT you cannot have a children with me". It puts pressure and constrains on the mutual act of marriage and love. Also couples who use birth control have a much high divorce rate than couples who don't.
So, because my wife and I agreed to my vasectomy, we don't really love each other fully? We had two kids and decided that was it for us. We are going on 19 years of a great marriage. Our sex life is fantastic and we are, without any doubt, closer than ever. So much for the "I love you, but" theory. "Higher divorce rate'?? From what I've read, the rate between religious and non-religious doesn't differ much, if any.
What if both the man and woman agree to not having kids then who is the "But" of that statement. Not everyone should have children.. or be forced to have kids. If anything anyone who marries should be applauded for commiting to their partner and not be like exiled because they want to not have children. it is stuff like this and other nutzo junk that makes people atheist. Religion has gotten so confusing.
UNfortunately, the Immaculate Conception of Mary does NOT (even in the RC canon) find its way into canonized SCRIPTURE. I have some UNcanonized Scripture at home, and there R, at the very least, HINTS about it in THOSE volumes. But still, U got 2 WONDER Y that didn't find its way in 2 the CANON? Something that important?
Why is Birth control wrong? It prevents unwanted pregnancies and in the case of condoms prevents STDs. I know those who are against contraception just don't want people to have sex, but why? Sex isn't sinful. Why not entitle this video, "Why Christians shouldn't be having sex" and get straight to the point so we can realise what this argument is really about.
Since contraception has become widespread std rates are higher, out of wedlock births are higher, divorce rates are higher, abortion has had to be legalized to compensate for failed contraception. There is more adultery, there is less commitment to women. Women in their 30's and 40's are waiting for marriage proposals from men who can don't feel the need to commit. The pill lower the libido and makes women fatter. Everyone looses. Natural Family Planning is the way to go!!!! billings method
Contraception has not become as widespread as many people think, 3rd world countries where STDs are more prevalent don't have the same circulation of Condoms as we do. The pill is essentially progestogen. It has no adverse effects and actually reduces rates of cancer and even acne. Also much of what you describe (divorce rates and so forth) was a result of the sexual revoloution of the 60's, not contraception. Sorry, but natural family planning is ineffective. It is certainly not the way to go.
To answer Brit's question with a question: Would you be ok with him/her having sex with an HIV+ partner, wearing a condom with a 2% failure rate?
Now, consider: 2% is a failure rate against pregnancy, NOT disease. A disease is active all month long, where a woman is only fertile 1/4 that time. So the actual failure rate, not considering pregnancy alone, is 8%, not 2%. And a virus is 1/1000 the size of a sperm.
Are you still ok about your child's safety using a condom with an HIV+ partner?
"Any form of birth control or family planning is sin."
tell that to all the starving kids who were born in poverty and to unfit parents. unless the church and the vatican will feed all the starving kids living in poverty, i will always maintain that humans have the right to choose when and just how many kids they can MANAGE to bring up and support.
i am catholic, and im sick of hearing the church talk about the population not being a problem especially in third world countries
Question to those who are against contraception: This is an honest question to the people who believe condoms are morally wrong. If you had a son or daughter and he/she was about to have sex with someone who had HIV, would you rather they "give themselves completely to each other" and use no protection OR would you rather they use a condom that could potentially save your son/daughters life?
If you MUST choose one of these options, I think I know which one you'd choose.
Whether it's NFP (natural family planning) or chemical (or surgical) contraception, it all aims to achieve EXACTLY the same thing, avoidance of pregnancy. I can see no difference between them. As long as none is an abortafacient, no life is taken.
I'd like an explanation for those couples that enter into a marriage and are physically UNABLE to "be fruitful and multiply." I assume you are also against artificial insemination and sperm donors? Religion doesn't have an answer for everything...SORRY!
Adopting isn't being fruitful and multiplying...it's taking the fruit from someone else. And first of all, having children isn't for every married couple and you cannot possibly argue against that. Is it fair for a child to be brought up in a household where they really aren't desired? Or brought up in a family that financially cannot support a child or even themselves? What about someone who is mentally incapable of raising a child?
First off, it is not taking a gift. It is putting God's gift to you into the hands of someone who can take care of it better. Who says they arent desired? Do you know how much money it costs too adopt? More than you enducated ass makes. Is they pay that much it is definatly desired. Once again, they would most likely have the money. WHY THE HELL WOULD A RETARD ADOPT A CHILD?
"Jesus turned and said to them, Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. For the time will come when you will say, Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!"
I didn't actually listen to your ranting and raving. It was the RIDICULOUS title that caught my eye.
Do you know why the Church is so against contraception? They don't want to miss out on all those potential future customers.
No contraception, the more people born into the religion. They expect some to leave the flock as they grow older but they also know a high percentage of customers will stay.
Think about it. They'd be mad to say "Sure, use contraception. We've got enough followers."
@TheYouuTubeRipper So how do you explain the fact that the Church issued the Humanae Vitae encyclical and the Theology of the Body cathechism that teaches catholics how to do their family planning using *natural* methods (NFP)? You know, as opposed to those artificial ones, like the pill, that make girls fat, emotional unstable for no reason; and the condom, that separates love from sex, takes the pleasure out of the experience and, in short, desmisses the human body from its natural functions?
@TheYouuTubeRipper - Because of using too much contraception, the number of customers in your protestant churches are decreasing. As a result Protestants are becoming minorities in the U.S. very quickly. In 1970s, Protestants made about 75% of the U.S. population. Now Protestants make only 51% of the U.S. population.
Because the low number of customers, the Europe is slowly becoming Muslim as mosques have growing number of Muslim customers due to high Muslim birth rate.
@TheYouuTubeRipper - I hope you Protestants use more and more artificial contraception, kill your babies by abortion and thus become EXTINCT eventually.
BTW, how would it feel if your mother did partial birth abortion to you when you were still in her womb?
Tobias 6:17 For they who in such manner receive matrimony, as to shut out God ...and to give themselves to their lust, as the horse and mule, ... over them the devil hath power.
Tobias 6:22 ... thou shalt take the virgin with the fear of the Lord, moved rather for love of children than for lust, that in the seed of Abraham thou mayst obtain a blessing in children.
If a person had an STD or could die from becoming pregnant, why would they risk their lives or souse by having intercours? A condom has a 20% failure rate.
If a woman knew that pregnancy would kill her, there's no way that she'd just rely on a condom; she would use a condom in conjunction with another contraceptive, like the pill or a female condom. As for STDs, many partners don't even tell their significant other that they have them. For instance, my sister, who waited until marriage to have sex, caught herpes and HPV (which gave her ovarian tumors) from her now ex-husband, who either didn't know or just didn't tell her that he had them.
YES, this is an ongoing problem I have with this guy. It continues 2 remind me of what the former Director of the Newman Center of St. Albert the Great (CATHOLIC, U know?) said about dorm-based Bible studies: really little more than SHARED IGNORANCE many times. Find a SEMINARY-EDUCATED Catholic PRIEST (or his approved publications), or better yet a Catholic seminary PROFESSOR (or HIS approved publications), or a cardinal priest's publications. Seriously.
Clearly you have no children, or you wouldn't refer to them as blessings.
A woman is saved by child bearing? If I had a kid right now, my life would be OVER. I can't afford one, I have no time to take care of it, I'd have to drop out of school. This attempt to save me would destroy me. I am very glad I am not Christian.
Has it not occurred to you that some people DON'T WANT CHILDREN? Would you prefer them to NOT use contraception and have multiple abortions? I would think that you as a Christian would prefer to prevent a life than destroy one. When a husband uses protection he isn't holding back love if the woman requests that he wear one. I sure as hell don't want that shit in me if I'm not trying to reproduce. I guess you've never masturbated so you don't know what sperm is like. I'll inform you- it's gross.
Yeah, well God also gave us free will, the ability to decide for ourselves, and since I have a narrow pelvis which would make child birth potentially life-threatening for me, I choose to use birth control
When you have experienced your first labor pains, and given birth to a few children, and raised a family on minimum wage, then I will listen to whatever you have to say about contraceptives. I think that would be interesting, enlightening too.
Many people will explain away Genesis 38 by saying "God killed Onan because he wouldn't have children with his wife, not because he used contraception." Here's the problem with that: In Deuteronomy 25, we are told the punishment for not having children in this situation, and it isn't death.
First two minutes. Legalism.... where is your beard man. Keep one commandment? why not Keep them all. One true Church. I am all for it. This Might be the wrong way to do it.
I love the virgin birth story (the one Catholics love).
Except they dont understand history and that a virgin birth was any birth within the first two years of marriage at the time in that area (So if she didnt supply a child she could be divorced and still called a virgin).
Was joseph gay? is there any reason he didnt have sex with marry?
Theres the facts on Marys "virgin birth" no miracle there.
i never said that a married couple needs to have explicit plans to have a child everytime they have sex. All i said was that all sexual relations must be OPEN to conception (ie no condoms or pill ect)
Why should all sexual encounters be open to conception? Don't you ever plany anything in your life? What life will these children have if they grow up all the while their parents subconciously know that they are unwanted.
It is better to have children that are WANTED by their parents rather than having a bunch of kids by careless parents who do not yet have the resources to adequately raise a child.
this may sound naieve (sp?) of me, but i believe that married couples should always be open to God Blessing them with a child. I think its part of the problem that people don't want kids. Maybe we need to "let go and let God." God would not give a couple a child without also giving that couple the nessesary graces and abilities to raise it. Its the antichild mentality that is the source of all these problems
For a child to be adequately raised, it requires a good father and a mother, shelter, food, money, etc. I live in southern california, so you can imagine the amount of single mothers and out-of-wedlock children that I see every day.
Some of these people are not even 16 years old!! All of these people do not have the "necessary graces and abilities" to raise a child properly. Why then, did God "bless" them with a child?
i think this vid was for married christian.I think his only means people who follow christ and our married. This vid was not meant for unmarried people. Not saying that i agree fully ,but this is not for the non married.
ironically enough, Onan in the old testament was struck down by God for using the withdrawl method, cant remember if i mentioned that in this video or not.
You interpret the bible way to literally. What if one person in a marriage has an STD that cannot be cured, but a condom could be used to prevent spreading and the prevention of conception was just a by product of protecting themselves from spreading a disease?
I was wondering, since if Mary (the earthy mother of Christ) is so-called the "ever virgin," doesn't that means she 'didn't give herself completely to husband Joseph?' I think this is an interesting question. How do feel about the matter?
Good question. First of all, it is theorized that Mary married Joseph so that he could live with her as a chaperon and guardian of her virginity. She was never meant to have sex, which is why she was so puzzled when the angel told her she was to bear a child.
Assuming that theory is wrong, she was properly devoted to God after the birth of Jesus. Jewish Law prevented a women from having children of two separate spouses.
Mary could have still used contraception with Joseph, but rightly did not.
Do you at least agree that contraceptives make a joke out of God's beautiful plan for human sexuality? We say to God, "Thanks for the miracle of procreation through sex, but no thanks, God. We just want the pleasure part and nothing else."
Out of respect for your zeal Sept, I will tell you this. I disagree with //some// forms of birth control. As some forms are a known it the endangers the fetus. I also disagree, them being for fornication and rape. My bible-based position relates the purpose of sex. Sexual relations between husband and wife are a God-given gift. Procreation is not their sole purpose. Sexual relations also allow a married couple to express tenderness and affection for each another. -- Pro 5:15-19; Rom 14:4-13.
I agree with you totally. However, the Bible never depicts this beautiful act of love apart from its purpose, which is always procreation.
So if sex is not just for procreation, then do you think God expected us to invent devices to stop the full natural process?
Actually, this might help. Have you ever heard of NFP? It's not birth control, since there are is no foreign influence. It is natural regulation and is said to be 99% effective. The Church condones the use of NFP.
Well, I agree that sex is a gift from God. If women and men are barren must they abstain from sex? -- Pro 5. As for condoms not being natural, really clothing, shoes, & hair cuts, cars, are they? (1 Cor 7:9) What would young married man, head of house, thus the provider the family, do? It's only natural for him to be attracted to wife? I'm not against NFP & with anything the self-control is always good. I can't judge a married man who uses condoms for private relations with his wife.
Contraception is not wrong simply because it is unnatural. Rather, it perverts a natural gift from God and turns it into something which man, not God, desires.
It is okay for a man to be attracted to his wife and have sex. NFP maintains the natural beauty of sex and leaves a small opening for God to bring children into the world if he wants. After all, who are we to lock God out of our bedroom?
The bedroom may be private, as you say, but God is there also.
Naturally sterile couples can have sex because "The action is generative of its kind even though a baby cannot be born from it..." -Morals and Marriage by T.G. Wayne (Nil Obstat and Imprimatur granted).
Remember, God at times brought about miraculous births from sterile couples. So couples still allow God to have control over what happens.
This does not include unnaturally sterilized couples. These couples have indirectly made the active decision to eliminate God from the bedroom.
My bible-based position is the God created sex as gift for a man and his wife, to express love to each other. NFP is okay too. There are numerous birth-control methods. It is not my place to recommend or endorse birth control. If a married couple want to practice birth control—this is entirely a personal decision -- (Galatians 6:5; 1 Corinthians 4:6)
I'm glad you oppose watching pornography together. I just hope you also oppose private viewing of that sick garbage.
I am also glad you realize that there are some forms of birth control which kill the fetus, or else damage it. Birth control pills, for example, prevent the zygote from attaching to the wall inside the mother and therefore dies. What a tragic loss!
I hope for the day I get to meet all of these children in heaven. They were only known by God during their short time.
Thank you. I realize you have good intentions with your position. I agree, this is a tough issue. Usually when tough issues arise, Catholics turn to the Church for a resounding answer. We believe it is the pillar and ground of truth (1 Tim 3:15) by which the wisdom of God is made known (Ephesians 3:10).
I will pray that Protestant Christians come to a united answer as well. But here's something to think about: isn't it better to play it safe and use NFP? Don't take a risk on God right?
I just a teenager, September these adult question so to speak. As Christians we will agree procreation is gift, do always take every single gift? Singleness and marriage are both gifts. Regardless, I do feel based on the Bible, being mature, looking after one's family, being focused of preaching the Kingdom, and loving and each build each other spiritually is important, and most al love God, and NFP is okay as long they're married. Sorry I can't explain it better.
However, marry couples using birth control that would damage a fetus is wrong. Additionally, watching pornography together is wrong. (Hebrews 13:4; 1 Timothy 5:8) Even abstinence, is somewhat contrary to being procreative. Therefore, each one could carry his load in this matter.
My comments were mainly with regard to what Onan did and the command to Noah. Anyways, we really need God's Kingdom now. In this imperfect system, people suffer, get sick grow old, and sadly die. We often live in fear in this world. But Christ spoke of Good News of God Kingdom, you probably know of Jesus using the phrase: "kingdom." September do who ever wonder God allows suffering? It's okay to wonder, because many faithful prophets did.
I hope this better explains my stand. Right now, homosexuality sex and sex out of marriage, molestation and rape are across the globe. This is a sign of times (2 Timothy 3) as are earthquakes (see: Luke). September you seem too be very studious, how do feel about the memorial of Christ (Nisan 14) being replaced by Easter which often celebrated with bunnies, eggs, and etc? I'm just curious I like to hear your feelings.
That would be interesting, if there was a shred of proof to back up those that two possible stories of fiction. Joseph would be Mary's husband. Show us please your knowledge of the Torah.
Please get real...humans a whole are born with these urges to have ex, its built into us. Our hormones control it. Jeez, there is nothing wrong with sex, without the intention of having a baby...if everyone thought that, the world would be...pretty much a bad place in my opinion. And for the love of God, stop reading the bible word for word and taking it all 100% correct, do you know how ignorant that is? Do you know how many times its been translated, and rewritten?
Ditto. IMO, the real intention behind the delivered messages can be different if you interprete it differently. OneTrueChurch, I think you're a extremist. Your vids are dangerous.
Yeah, they can B. Go back 2 the PAPAL ENCYCLICALS B 4 U completely trust THIS guy. I've STUDIED First Vatican Council, Second Vatican Council, Humanae Vitae, the Catholic Catechism of 1993, ETC., IN THEIR ENTIRETY, and at least some of these videos really do disturb me on *that* basis.
Catholic teaching is that sex that is naturally "open" to the possibility of reproduction is what's intended, otherwise you'd have to condemn people who are married but infertile (from age, defect or accident). The other good of marriage, as Augustine taught, is the fidelity and bond of love between husband and wife, that is a model of the marriage of Christ and the Church. So the reproduction is important, but not the only good of sex for Catholics.
Oh ok, well you should have said that. It sounded like an absolute statement. As is, you were implying infertile couples having sex is "pointless" "has no meaning" and is a "perversion of a beautiful thing." That would also mean a couple couldn't have sex during infertile periods (which the RCC does approve, btw). And finally it would imply infertile couples shouldn't marry. Even in RCC teaching, marriage is not ONLY for reproduction.
When Jesus was walking to the cross, he told some mourning women that, in the future, women will celebrate not having children. He was absolutely right. In todays world of contraception, abortion, and infanticide, we need to remember our Lord and Saviour.
Hi, I'm a Christian, so I want to be on friendly terms, but I disagree with you. I do agree that sex outside of marriage is wrong though. I don't think your evidence from the Bible is taken in the correct context. 1. Be fruitful and multiply; We have already done this as a whole, with almost 7billion people competing for resources, we are almost suffering from an overpopulation crisis.
2. onan; his sin was that he did not impregnate and provide a child to preserve his brother's line as the Lord commanded, not because of the act of contraception itself. Your last argument about "giving it all," well, that implies that married couples should always have sex. Basically, what i'm saying is if we follow your argument no sex= condom sex, which is not really true.
Noone is against sex- just sex before marraige. As of cotriception- just have as much sex as you wish with your husband and except the fact children will come.
Structure and Direction. Birth control is not wrong when used medically. Since you are not a guy, you would have no idea about how close to death you would be by having your period make you almost anemeic.Once cannot assume that the techonolgy of BC's are wrong. God created us to reproduce, but others cannot, for they can bleed to death.
Should a family who is starving have more kids?
Don't get me wrong, your other videos are awesome. I just disagree on this topic. :)
condoms and hormonal birth control may not be one hundred percent effective, but they reduce the risk to a negligible level, especially when both are properly used.
abstinence-only Does Not Work, because teenagers will do as they will. suppressing knowledge of contraceptives won't prevent them having sex, and only leads them to unprotected sex when they could be protected.
marriage is an archaic ownership rite, and sex outside marriage doesn't hurt anyone. thus, there's nothing wrong with it, as long as proper caution is exercised.
1. nowhere in the bible does it say that have to be married to have sex; it says if you're married, keep it in the home. 2. after the birth of a child, the female body produces hormones that curb fertility AND FUNCTION AS BIRTH CONTROL. though that birth control is only roughly 60% as effective as chemical birth control, God in His infinite wisdom knew that two parents may not adequately be able to raise their children if they have TWENTY OF THEM!!
1) there are plenty of places in the bible which teach against fornication which is sex outside of marriage. And even if it wasn't in the bible, it wouldn't matter because the church says its a sin
2) just because the body produces hormons which prevent birth after a woman has a baby does not give ppl the right to use artificial contraception
1. that's the definition formed by the catholic church... the same church that values power over God, contradicts itself daily and supported hitler during the holocaust... 2. artificial contraception is equivalent to abstinence, which supposedly is more "godly."
1) No the catholic churhc did not support hitler in the holocaust (see my video: "Was Pius XII Hitler's Pope?")
2) No, contraception is not equivilent to abstinence. Contraception is about taking away the life giving aspect of sex and making it all about pleasure. Absitence is about not having sex. Anyone who is of good will can see the obvious difference!
ofcourse sex is supposed to have a pleasurable aspect to it but its not the ONLY aspect to it. Sex, according to the catholic church has two purposes Procreation and pleasure, however, contraception takes away the procreative aspect to it and makes it only about pleasure that is whats wrong.
the point that i was making was that procreation is the God-intended side effect of sex. once again, people don't have sex to have babies. they do it because they like it. if they are TRYING to have a baby, they just have MORE sex.
beyond that, the Catholic Church, one of the richest organizations in the world, has a history of gold-for-forgiveness, corruption, supporting the genocide of Jews during the Holocaust, pedophile priests, nuns getting abortions, killing of "heretics" and the like. so i, among others, am not inclined to CARE what they preach.
@bluebronx2000 Matthew 15:19, 20; Mark 7:21-23; Acts 15:20, 29; 21:25; 1 Corinthians 5:9-13; 6:18, 19; Hebrews 12:15, 16. Fornication: grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human; also there must have been two or more parties (including another consenting human or a beast), whether of the same sex or the opposite sex. (Jude 7) The unlawful act of a rapist is fornication, but, of course, that does not make the person who is forcibly raped also a fornicator.
All of Christianity was united in opposition to any form of birth control until about 1931 or so... when some Protestant churches began deeming it acceptable.
All one needs to do is look at the disatrous ramafications of the pill being introduced and what it's done to the nature of family, marriage, and relationships b/t men and women. Nobody can honestly say it has progressed things... it's only damaged real intimacy b/t men and women.
intimacy still exists regardless of the pill. it's not birth control that's changed things... society was messed up long before then. beyond that, people have been practicing birth control for hundreds of years, and those societies didn't have the problems that we do today.
I never said intimacy didn't exist when using birth control. I said it has damaged real intimacy. I will stand by my statement.
How can you say birth control hasn't changed things? Look at some stats- the pill is introduced and the number of divorces, ill-legitimate children, abortions, and broken families sky-rockets. You think that is simply coincedence?
yes, as a matter of fact it is. like i said before, birth control existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years before today's version. so there is no way you can claim that birth control accounts for those problems... ESPECIALLY abortions. it's really just a sign of the times.
NO, but I personally think that U (& several others) R introducing a "single-variable" cause and effect thing in 2 the social science argument, which is INCREDIBLY dangerous and irresponsible.
Great vid! Im glad someone is speaking the truth! We have become a selfish nation where children are a inconvience. Satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy but now were doing it for him. The last thing satan wants is for christians to reproduce. God has given you great wisdom!
When you aren't having sex, you're not multiplying. You're sinning if you're not producing a baby every year.
There's only that one verse on "wasting seed" in the entire Bible. It's a complicated situation and not in commandment form.
If you look at Deuteronomy 2:34, Judges 12:6, or just read the entire old testament someday, you'll see it's not a great source for morality. There's about a dozen verses saying to kill disobedient children, and Jesus criticized people for not doing so.
2 Kings 15:16 ... and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Hosea 13:16 ... they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
1 Samuel 15:3 ... slay both man and woman, infant and suckling ...
Isaiah 13:15-18 ... Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes ... they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
I have never looked at it in this way. But you sure spoke the truth. God wants us to praise and receive his blessings. In name of Jesus we are advised that with the blessings and joy of life we openly engage of God's creation, we must be willing to take responsibility. If we can't take responsibility which excludes shutting him off and taking complete control from him. Then we need to learn how to maintain our holy walk and keep his temple (our body) holy by staying humble.
Tatiyana 6 months ago
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The Catholic Church is not against sex education and family planning per se. She is against the immoral means or methods by which they are being implemented. And the end does not justify the means. Any family planning scheme that is premised on materialism and relativism is anti-God and anti-life. The prevention of the fertilization of the egg cell or implantation of the fertilized egg cell through human intervention is a sin because it frustrates the will of God to create human life.
wbarquez 8 months ago
excellent! praise the Most High
truebelieving 9 months ago
Customers? You have no idea how ignorant you sound, whoever "TheYouTubeRipper" is. I am Catholic, and the Church is against contraception because it defeats the purpose of sex. It is meant to reproduce through the union of the two in love. There's no "Oh I want more customers for the Church!" That's just stupid, my jaw literally dropped from how messed up your comment is.
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40 year old virgin!!! :D
frankvallisinatra 1 year ago
We should remember, however, that this doctrine was not created by Christ Himself, but but celibate priests. Priests take a vow of celibacy when they are ordained, and they believe that it is just as easy for married couples.
I understand that the opposition to contraceptives is supposed to represent respect for human life. But telling a couple that they are not allowed to have sex, except to have children, is disrespectful to romantic love, which is a gift from God.
TonoFonseca 1 year ago
Your comment did not make any sense at the end though: I understand, and accept that contraceptives do not represent respect and dignity for human life. Yet, romantic love is the love which children are created from. Through the union of a man and woman, and through the physical love of sexual intercourse, comes out children. From the love which is created, the ultimate outcome of that love is children. Without the option of children, the romantic love is basically in vain of itself.
RockyBalboa211 1 year ago
@RockyBalboa211
Do not misinterpret my comment as an opposition to having children; indeed Christians are not having big enough families today. If a couple wants to use contraception, they should still accept any children that they may have, since there is still a slight chance of pregnancy. The Bible says nothing of contraception, and it is foolish to accept only the beliefs of clergy who are not acquainted with romantic love, having taken vows of celibacy.
TonoFonseca 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca: Well I guess your right, but I always sort of considered it along the same lines as Abortion in the bible. Abortion is never really directly mentioned much, yet if you look at jewish traditions at that time they believed that Abortion was wrong. I don't know what their view on contraceptives was though. That is something I will have to look into.
RockyBalboa211 1 year ago
@RockyBalboa211
I read somewhere that Jewish couples are expected to "make love often", apparently in agreeance with my own theory. I am a staunch opponent to abortion; did you know that in many places tax dollars go to funding abortions, and that abortions are often scheduled ahead of necessary surgery? Or, that babies who are 8 or 9 months into the pregnancy can be aborted? Terrible.
TonoFonseca 1 year ago
your the perfect example why people should use birth control.
8874alex 1 year ago
Whatabout the consumption of cannabis?
killshot123 1 year ago
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mmmagus1 1 year ago
Apparently women are child bearing machines......give me a break. :P How can a woman get a decent career or have any kind of life when she's constantly conceiving and caring for children? I'm not just speaking for women. This is ridiculous for a man as well. But I won't preach because this is obsolete and not worth even arguing about. It's laughable to be honest. Are we going to start burning "witches" now too? *rolls eyes*
klb084 2 years ago
"Thou shall not kill."
JosherForder 2 years ago
You would at least agree, of the dangers of overpopulation and AIDS, protecting against the dangers of one's wife having ill health where a child birth could kill her - Matthew 7:12; Luke 6:31.
JosherForder 2 years ago
So that's where I stand on the matter. And it is apparent many millions of Roman Catholic church ignore the ban every day. At least according to most sources.
JosherForder 2 years ago
Sexual relations between husband and wife are a God-given gift. But procreation is not their sole purpose. Sexual relations also allow a married couple to express tenderness and affection for each another. - Proverbs 5:15, 18, 19; Romans 14:4, 10-13.
JosherForder 2 years ago
@JosherForder You are so correct. Love is the most important part of marriage.
klb084 2 years ago 7
He selfishly laid bare her nakedness but withheld from her the rightful due of motherhood. But brother-in-law marriage was done away with Christ's atoning blood.
JosherForder 2 years ago
After the death of his brother Er, Onan was instructed by his father Judah to perform brother-in-law marriage with Tamar. This was with the express purpose of raising up offspring for his dead brother. He would have no right to have relations with her otherwise. - Gen. 38:8-10. (verse 8)
JosherForder 2 years ago
But you would agree that nowhere does the Bible command Christians to procreate. God told the first human couple and Noahs family: Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth. But this command was not repeated to Christians. (Genesis 1:28; 9:1)
JosherForder 2 years ago
It was only in the 13th century that Gregory IX enacted what the New Catholic Encyclopedia calls the first universal legislation by a pope against contraception.
JosherForder 2 years ago
On the other hand, the Bible disapproves of abortion, as shown by the record at Exodus 20:13 and 21:22, 23; 1 Corinthians 4:6,
JosherForder 2 years ago
Hi, I am very fascianted with your video, I am 17 years old and will be married one day, when God says its time. I have not found the right guy yet but, I had some questions, what about people who do not have the funds to take care of all the children. I understand that children are blessings, but with children there is no time to work to make money and take care of all of them. Can you talk in further detail with me about this??
LillianMay8630 2 years ago
I don't see how parenthood has anything to do with true love.
Some people want to be parents and some don't. M
My relationship just passed its 32 year mark, but neither of us ever woke up one day and thought, "Gee, wouldn't it be nice to have a son or a daughter"? It just never happened.
The key is to use 3 methods of birth control all at once, every time.
God doesn't want you to be a parent if you don't have any desire to. That's the craziest concept of God I've ever heard of!
LindaDooWop 2 years ago
i cant believe that you are taking a fairy tale book so seriously that you are going to tell people not to wear condoms.
is there such a thing as a virgin birth or a man who walks on water. .. ? take it how you want man but dont tell others its a sin to take a hormone pill or wear a condom. you really cant get more ridiculous.
freshblooms 2 years ago
nutcase
chutneyface 2 years ago 5
I was not expecting to hear a rational reason against the use of contraception and I was not disappointed. That we live in an overpopulated world where lack of birth control = disease, starvation and death on a planet of dwindling resources doesn't mean a damn to you.
There is something about religion and it's primitive dogma that cripples rationality and critical thinking as is the case here.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 years ago
True love is all or nothing. Contraception in not "all". Its saying "I love you BUT you can't have my fertitlity", "I love you BUT you cannot have a children with me". It puts pressure and constrains on the mutual act of marriage and love. Also couples who use birth control have a much high divorce rate than couples who don't.
CreedChrist 2 years ago
So, because my wife and I agreed to my vasectomy, we don't really love each other fully? We had two kids and decided that was it for us. We are going on 19 years of a great marriage. Our sex life is fantastic and we are, without any doubt, closer than ever. So much for the "I love you, but" theory. "Higher divorce rate'?? From what I've read, the rate between religious and non-religious doesn't differ much, if any.
Pacisdiligo 2 years ago 2
HA!
What if both the man and woman agree to not having kids then who is the "But" of that statement. Not everyone should have children.. or be forced to have kids. If anything anyone who marries should be applauded for commiting to their partner and not be like exiled because they want to not have children. it is stuff like this and other nutzo junk that makes people atheist. Religion has gotten so confusing.
DimitrisduchessXD 2 years ago
UNfortunately, the Immaculate Conception of Mary does NOT (even in the RC canon) find its way into canonized SCRIPTURE. I have some UNcanonized Scripture at home, and there R, at the very least, HINTS about it in THOSE volumes. But still, U got 2 WONDER Y that didn't find its way in 2 the CANON? Something that important?
bimboblacky 2 years ago
Why is Birth control wrong? It prevents unwanted pregnancies and in the case of condoms prevents STDs. I know those who are against contraception just don't want people to have sex, but why? Sex isn't sinful. Why not entitle this video, "Why Christians shouldn't be having sex" and get straight to the point so we can realise what this argument is really about.
RequiemVortex 2 years ago
Since contraception has become widespread std rates are higher, out of wedlock births are higher, divorce rates are higher, abortion has had to be legalized to compensate for failed contraception. There is more adultery, there is less commitment to women. Women in their 30's and 40's are waiting for marriage proposals from men who can don't feel the need to commit. The pill lower the libido and makes women fatter. Everyone looses. Natural Family Planning is the way to go!!!! billings method
jjmcoates 2 years ago
Contraception has not become as widespread as many people think, 3rd world countries where STDs are more prevalent don't have the same circulation of Condoms as we do. The pill is essentially progestogen. It has no adverse effects and actually reduces rates of cancer and even acne. Also much of what you describe (divorce rates and so forth) was a result of the sexual revoloution of the 60's, not contraception. Sorry, but natural family planning is ineffective. It is certainly not the way to go.
RequiemVortex 2 years ago
To answer Brit's question with a question: Would you be ok with him/her having sex with an HIV+ partner, wearing a condom with a 2% failure rate?
Now, consider: 2% is a failure rate against pregnancy, NOT disease. A disease is active all month long, where a woman is only fertile 1/4 that time. So the actual failure rate, not considering pregnancy alone, is 8%, not 2%. And a virus is 1/1000 the size of a sperm.
Are you still ok about your child's safety using a condom with an HIV+ partner?
manettle 2 years ago
TRUEST STATEMENT that I seen today: Contraceptions are incompatible with the Christian faith!! That is so,so,so true!!
TiredofHype09 2 years ago
"Any form of birth control or family planning is sin."
tell that to all the starving kids who were born in poverty and to unfit parents. unless the church and the vatican will feed all the starving kids living in poverty, i will always maintain that humans have the right to choose when and just how many kids they can MANAGE to bring up and support.
i am catholic, and im sick of hearing the church talk about the population not being a problem especially in third world countries
chnook5 2 years ago
Question to those who are against contraception: This is an honest question to the people who believe condoms are morally wrong. If you had a son or daughter and he/she was about to have sex with someone who had HIV, would you rather they "give themselves completely to each other" and use no protection OR would you rather they use a condom that could potentially save your son/daughters life?
If you MUST choose one of these options, I think I know which one you'd choose.
Brittian86 3 years ago 2
Whether it's NFP (natural family planning) or chemical (or surgical) contraception, it all aims to achieve EXACTLY the same thing, avoidance of pregnancy. I can see no difference between them. As long as none is an abortafacient, no life is taken.
Pacisdiligo 3 years ago
I'm Catholic and I agree. The intention is exactly the same behind NFP and condom use. I trust Jesus, not the men of the church. Amen.
Brittian86 3 years ago
contraception can be an abotificent though. It can expel a child. BC is immoral
CreedChrist 2 years ago
HERESY OF THE WEEK? wtf ur voice is funny dude. im laffing my ass off.
InsertGoodNameHeree 3 years ago
What about a married couple where one has HIV?
kanedamac 3 years ago
If I really loved my wife, I wouldn't care. I would freely accept it. A bit selfish not to don't you think?
Raffzeee 2 years ago
I'd like an explanation for those couples that enter into a marriage and are physically UNABLE to "be fruitful and multiply." I assume you are also against artificial insemination and sperm donors? Religion doesn't have an answer for everything...SORRY!
AlyssaJ444 3 years ago
Hmmmm. fail on your part. The church recomends adoption.
wss03 3 years ago
Adopting isn't being fruitful and multiplying...it's taking the fruit from someone else. And first of all, having children isn't for every married couple and you cannot possibly argue against that. Is it fair for a child to be brought up in a household where they really aren't desired? Or brought up in a family that financially cannot support a child or even themselves? What about someone who is mentally incapable of raising a child?
AlyssaJ444 3 years ago 3
First off, it is not taking a gift. It is putting God's gift to you into the hands of someone who can take care of it better. Who says they arent desired? Do you know how much money it costs too adopt? More than you enducated ass makes. Is they pay that much it is definatly desired. Once again, they would most likely have the money. WHY THE HELL WOULD A RETARD ADOPT A CHILD?
wss03 3 years ago
Quote please? I would like to see where the bible, not the church, says this.
Then again Alyass has a point. The bible wouldn't have the answers to these questions about artificial insemination and sperm donors.
moreover Jesus said for women to be happy, because there will be a time when they won't have kids. Luke 23:28-30
skamic88 3 years ago
"Jesus turned and said to them, Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. For the time will come when you will say, Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!"
skamic88 3 years ago
I didn't actually listen to your ranting and raving. It was the RIDICULOUS title that caught my eye.
Do you know why the Church is so against contraception? They don't want to miss out on all those potential future customers.
No contraception, the more people born into the religion. They expect some to leave the flock as they grow older but they also know a high percentage of customers will stay.
Think about it. They'd be mad to say "Sure, use contraception. We've got enough followers."
TheYouuTubeRipper 3 years ago 5
you are so wrong its not even funny.
wss03 3 years ago 3
No its the 11th commandment "thou shall not use thine contraception"
skamic88 3 years ago 2
@TheYouuTubeRipper So how do you explain the fact that the Church issued the Humanae Vitae encyclical and the Theology of the Body cathechism that teaches catholics how to do their family planning using *natural* methods (NFP)? You know, as opposed to those artificial ones, like the pill, that make girls fat, emotional unstable for no reason; and the condom, that separates love from sex, takes the pleasure out of the experience and, in short, desmisses the human body from its natural functions?
nunfonseca 1 year ago
@TheYouuTubeRipper - Because of using too much contraception, the number of customers in your protestant churches are decreasing. As a result Protestants are becoming minorities in the U.S. very quickly. In 1970s, Protestants made about 75% of the U.S. population. Now Protestants make only 51% of the U.S. population.
Because the low number of customers, the Europe is slowly becoming Muslim as mosques have growing number of Muslim customers due to high Muslim birth rate.
mysteriumaenigma 1 year ago
@TheYouuTubeRipper - I hope you Protestants use more and more artificial contraception, kill your babies by abortion and thus become EXTINCT eventually.
BTW, how would it feel if your mother did partial birth abortion to you when you were still in her womb?
mysteriumaenigma 1 year ago
I think you Should stay out of marriages, It says the mariage bed is undifield
blessedwithoutmeasur 3 years ago
Undi Field? Sounds like a place I'd like to go. Is it near Panty Lane?
TheYouuTubeRipper 3 years ago
I guess you're right. Sometimes the marriage bed is undi field!
(bet you regret making that typo)
TheYouuTubeRipper 3 years ago
More scripture against contraception:
Tobias 6:17 For they who in such manner receive matrimony, as to shut out God ...and to give themselves to their lust, as the horse and mule, ... over them the devil hath power.
Tobias 6:22 ... thou shalt take the virgin with the fear of the Lord, moved rather for love of children than for lust, that in the seed of Abraham thou mayst obtain a blessing in children.
AMClaret1 3 years ago
Abraham was an adulterer (Genesis 16:1-5). His wife was was barren, so he had sex with the Egyptian maid to get kids.
skamic88 3 years ago
If a person had an STD or could die from becoming pregnant, why would they risk their lives by having intercours? A condom has a 20% failure rate.
AMClaret1 3 years ago
If a person had an STD or could die from becoming pregnant, why would they risk their lives or souse by having intercours? A condom has a 20% failure rate.
AMClaret1 3 years ago
If a woman knew that pregnancy would kill her, there's no way that she'd just rely on a condom; she would use a condom in conjunction with another contraceptive, like the pill or a female condom. As for STDs, many partners don't even tell their significant other that they have them. For instance, my sister, who waited until marriage to have sex, caught herpes and HPV (which gave her ovarian tumors) from her now ex-husband, who either didn't know or just didn't tell her that he had them.
femmegenderal 3 years ago
thats not her fault. its that douches fault. shit happens
wss03 3 years ago
I mean no disrespect, but again, religion doesn't have an answer for everything, and I'm tired of people pretending that it does.
AlyssaJ444 3 years ago
I totally agree with you.
Anyone who uses birth control needs to crack open the bible
TrueDevotion17 3 years ago
Children are a blessing. The method of birth control is up to the couple, not the church.
Again you need to look further than Humane Vitae for your logic. Read Limits to Growth.
13mns 3 years ago 3
YES, this is an ongoing problem I have with this guy. It continues 2 remind me of what the former Director of the Newman Center of St. Albert the Great (CATHOLIC, U know?) said about dorm-based Bible studies: really little more than SHARED IGNORANCE many times. Find a SEMINARY-EDUCATED Catholic PRIEST (or his approved publications), or better yet a Catholic seminary PROFESSOR (or HIS approved publications), or a cardinal priest's publications. Seriously.
bimboblacky 2 years ago
Clearly you have no children, or you wouldn't refer to them as blessings.
A woman is saved by child bearing? If I had a kid right now, my life would be OVER. I can't afford one, I have no time to take care of it, I'd have to drop out of school. This attempt to save me would destroy me. I am very glad I am not Christian.
asblue91 3 years ago
What if one of the partners has an STD? Should they not do everything in their power to try and prevent spreading it?
asblue91 3 years ago
Has it not occurred to you that some people DON'T WANT CHILDREN? Would you prefer them to NOT use contraception and have multiple abortions? I would think that you as a Christian would prefer to prevent a life than destroy one. When a husband uses protection he isn't holding back love if the woman requests that he wear one. I sure as hell don't want that shit in me if I'm not trying to reproduce. I guess you've never masturbated so you don't know what sperm is like. I'll inform you- it's gross.
asblue91 3 years ago 2
Yeah, well God also gave us free will, the ability to decide for ourselves, and since I have a narrow pelvis which would make child birth potentially life-threatening for me, I choose to use birth control
PKBitchGirl 3 years ago 2
When you have experienced your first labor pains, and given birth to a few children, and raised a family on minimum wage, then I will listen to whatever you have to say about contraceptives. I think that would be interesting, enlightening too.
Reservoirdog119 3 years ago 4
interesting views. i am curious as to how many children you have.
leiapeison 3 years ago 6
Many people will explain away Genesis 38 by saying "God killed Onan because he wouldn't have children with his wife, not because he used contraception." Here's the problem with that: In Deuteronomy 25, we are told the punishment for not having children in this situation, and it isn't death.
seltian 3 years ago
I totally agree with you. Excellent post!
SalMar20 3 years ago
Over population is good?
SailinganFD 3 years ago
First two minutes. Legalism.... where is your beard man. Keep one commandment? why not Keep them all. One true Church. I am all for it. This Might be the wrong way to do it.
spermie19 3 years ago
I love the virgin birth story (the one Catholics love).
Except they dont understand history and that a virgin birth was any birth within the first two years of marriage at the time in that area (So if she didnt supply a child she could be divorced and still called a virgin).
Was joseph gay? is there any reason he didnt have sex with marry?
Theres the facts on Marys "virgin birth" no miracle there.
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
By your standard not having sex is "not being fruitful."
Mustex4 3 years ago 5
i never said that a married couple needs to have explicit plans to have a child everytime they have sex. All i said was that all sexual relations must be OPEN to conception (ie no condoms or pill ect)
OneTrueChurch 4 years ago
Why should all sexual encounters be open to conception? Don't you ever plany anything in your life? What life will these children have if they grow up all the while their parents subconciously know that they are unwanted.
It is better to have children that are WANTED by their parents rather than having a bunch of kids by careless parents who do not yet have the resources to adequately raise a child.
pinap9 3 years ago
this may sound naieve (sp?) of me, but i believe that married couples should always be open to God Blessing them with a child. I think its part of the problem that people don't want kids. Maybe we need to "let go and let God." God would not give a couple a child without also giving that couple the nessesary graces and abilities to raise it. Its the antichild mentality that is the source of all these problems
OneTrueChurch 3 years ago
Believe me, I have no "anitchild mentality."
For a child to be adequately raised, it requires a good father and a mother, shelter, food, money, etc. I live in southern california, so you can imagine the amount of single mothers and out-of-wedlock children that I see every day.
Some of these people are not even 16 years old!! All of these people do not have the "necessary graces and abilities" to raise a child properly. Why then, did God "bless" them with a child?
pinap9 3 years ago 2
i think this vid was for married christian.I think his only means people who follow christ and our married. This vid was not meant for unmarried people. Not saying that i agree fully ,but this is not for the non married.
Godwill3 3 years ago
So you dont agree with the withdraw method?
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago 2
ironically enough, Onan in the old testament was struck down by God for using the withdrawl method, cant remember if i mentioned that in this video or not.
OneTrueChurch 3 years ago
So you have never masterbated? Whats that part in the bible about spilling seed?
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago 6
You interpret the bible way to literally. What if one person in a marriage has an STD that cannot be cured, but a condom could be used to prevent spreading and the prevention of conception was just a by product of protecting themselves from spreading a disease?
ftl23 3 years ago
noticed he has no response for this...
Doon1990 3 years ago
What's your feedback, on a matter of is brother-in-law marriage?
JosherForder 2 years ago
I was wondering, since if Mary (the earthy mother of Christ) is so-called the "ever virgin," doesn't that means she 'didn't give herself completely to husband Joseph?' I think this is an interesting question. How do feel about the matter?
JosherForder 2 years ago
Good question. First of all, it is theorized that Mary married Joseph so that he could live with her as a chaperon and guardian of her virginity. She was never meant to have sex, which is why she was so puzzled when the angel told her she was to bear a child.
Assuming that theory is wrong, she was properly devoted to God after the birth of Jesus. Jewish Law prevented a women from having children of two separate spouses.
Mary could have still used contraception with Joseph, but rightly did not.
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
I politely I will choose to disagree, I don't see that being logical. But, I wish to discuss other things.
JosherForder 2 years ago
Do you at least agree that contraceptives make a joke out of God's beautiful plan for human sexuality? We say to God, "Thanks for the miracle of procreation through sex, but no thanks, God. We just want the pleasure part and nothing else."
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
Out of respect for your zeal Sept, I will tell you this. I disagree with //some// forms of birth control. As some forms are a known it the endangers the fetus. I also disagree, them being for fornication and rape. My bible-based position relates the purpose of sex. Sexual relations between husband and wife are a God-given gift. Procreation is not their sole purpose. Sexual relations also allow a married couple to express tenderness and affection for each another. -- Pro 5:15-19; Rom 14:4-13.
JosherForder 2 years ago
I agree with you totally. However, the Bible never depicts this beautiful act of love apart from its purpose, which is always procreation.
So if sex is not just for procreation, then do you think God expected us to invent devices to stop the full natural process?
Actually, this might help. Have you ever heard of NFP? It's not birth control, since there are is no foreign influence. It is natural regulation and is said to be 99% effective. The Church condones the use of NFP.
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
Well, I agree that sex is a gift from God. If women and men are barren must they abstain from sex? -- Pro 5. As for condoms not being natural, really clothing, shoes, & hair cuts, cars, are they? (1 Cor 7:9) What would young married man, head of house, thus the provider the family, do? It's only natural for him to be attracted to wife? I'm not against NFP & with anything the self-control is always good. I can't judge a married man who uses condoms for private relations with his wife.
JosherForder 2 years ago
Contraception is not wrong simply because it is unnatural. Rather, it perverts a natural gift from God and turns it into something which man, not God, desires.
It is okay for a man to be attracted to his wife and have sex. NFP maintains the natural beauty of sex and leaves a small opening for God to bring children into the world if he wants. After all, who are we to lock God out of our bedroom?
The bedroom may be private, as you say, but God is there also.
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
Naturally sterile couples can have sex because "The action is generative of its kind even though a baby cannot be born from it..." -Morals and Marriage by T.G. Wayne (Nil Obstat and Imprimatur granted).
Remember, God at times brought about miraculous births from sterile couples. So couples still allow God to have control over what happens.
This does not include unnaturally sterilized couples. These couples have indirectly made the active decision to eliminate God from the bedroom.
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
My bible-based position is the God created sex as gift for a man and his wife, to express love to each other. NFP is okay too. There are numerous birth-control methods. It is not my place to recommend or endorse birth control. If a married couple want to practice birth control—this is entirely a personal decision -- (Galatians 6:5; 1 Corinthians 4:6)
JosherForder 2 years ago
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SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
I'm glad you oppose watching pornography together. I just hope you also oppose private viewing of that sick garbage.
I am also glad you realize that there are some forms of birth control which kill the fetus, or else damage it. Birth control pills, for example, prevent the zygote from attaching to the wall inside the mother and therefore dies. What a tragic loss!
I hope for the day I get to meet all of these children in heaven. They were only known by God during their short time.
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
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JosherForder 2 years ago
Thank you. I realize you have good intentions with your position. I agree, this is a tough issue. Usually when tough issues arise, Catholics turn to the Church for a resounding answer. We believe it is the pillar and ground of truth (1 Tim 3:15) by which the wisdom of God is made known (Ephesians 3:10).
I will pray that Protestant Christians come to a united answer as well. But here's something to think about: isn't it better to play it safe and use NFP? Don't take a risk on God right?
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
I just a teenager, September these adult question so to speak. As Christians we will agree procreation is gift, do always take every single gift? Singleness and marriage are both gifts. Regardless, I do feel based on the Bible, being mature, looking after one's family, being focused of preaching the Kingdom, and loving and each build each other spiritually is important, and most al love God, and NFP is okay as long they're married. Sorry I can't explain it better.
JosherForder 2 years ago
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@SeptemberCatholic18 Sorry, do you know what you will being doing in heaven?
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JosherForder 2 years ago
However, marry couples using birth control that would damage a fetus is wrong. Additionally, watching pornography together is wrong. (Hebrews 13:4; 1 Timothy 5:8) Even abstinence, is somewhat contrary to being procreative. Therefore, each one could carry his load in this matter.
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MrIncogneeto 2 years ago 5
My comments were mainly with regard to what Onan did and the command to Noah. Anyways, we really need God's Kingdom now. In this imperfect system, people suffer, get sick grow old, and sadly die. We often live in fear in this world. But Christ spoke of Good News of God Kingdom, you probably know of Jesus using the phrase: "kingdom." September do who ever wonder God allows suffering? It's okay to wonder, because many faithful prophets did.
JosherForder 2 years ago
I hope this better explains my stand. Right now, homosexuality sex and sex out of marriage, molestation and rape are across the globe. This is a sign of times (2 Timothy 3) as are earthquakes (see: Luke). September you seem too be very studious, how do feel about the memorial of Christ (Nisan 14) being replaced by Easter which often celebrated with bunnies, eggs, and etc? I'm just curious I like to hear your feelings.
JosherForder 2 years ago
That would be interesting, if there was a shred of proof to back up those that two possible stories of fiction. Joseph would be Mary's husband. Show us please your knowledge of the Torah.
7EliBen7Asher7 2 years ago
Please get real...humans a whole are born with these urges to have ex, its built into us. Our hormones control it. Jeez, there is nothing wrong with sex, without the intention of having a baby...if everyone thought that, the world would be...pretty much a bad place in my opinion. And for the love of God, stop reading the bible word for word and taking it all 100% correct, do you know how ignorant that is? Do you know how many times its been translated, and rewritten?
Doon1990 4 years ago 2
Ditto. IMO, the real intention behind the delivered messages can be different if you interprete it differently. OneTrueChurch, I think you're a extremist. Your vids are dangerous.
davidke20 4 years ago
Yeah, they can B. Go back 2 the PAPAL ENCYCLICALS B 4 U completely trust THIS guy. I've STUDIED First Vatican Council, Second Vatican Council, Humanae Vitae, the Catholic Catechism of 1993, ETC., IN THEIR ENTIRETY, and at least some of these videos really do disturb me on *that* basis.
bimboblacky 2 years ago
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It's a sad day in the world when even the most innocent of us do not have any protected rights.
All children deserve the chance to live.
Sex without reproduction is pointless. The acts have no meaning.
It's a perversion of a very beautiful thing.
WoodyHayes1951 4 years ago
Catholic teaching is that sex that is naturally "open" to the possibility of reproduction is what's intended, otherwise you'd have to condemn people who are married but infertile (from age, defect or accident). The other good of marriage, as Augustine taught, is the fidelity and bond of love between husband and wife, that is a model of the marriage of Christ and the Church. So the reproduction is important, but not the only good of sex for Catholics.
XSC3 4 years ago 4
The topic was Contraceptive so of course I was speaking of couples who are able to reproduce.
WoodyHayes1951 4 years ago
Oh ok, well you should have said that. It sounded like an absolute statement. As is, you were implying infertile couples having sex is "pointless" "has no meaning" and is a "perversion of a beautiful thing." That would also mean a couple couldn't have sex during infertile periods (which the RCC does approve, btw). And finally it would imply infertile couples shouldn't marry. Even in RCC teaching, marriage is not ONLY for reproduction.
XSC3 4 years ago 3
When Jesus was walking to the cross, he told some mourning women that, in the future, women will celebrate not having children. He was absolutely right. In todays world of contraception, abortion, and infanticide, we need to remember our Lord and Saviour.
ROCK ON, OneTrueChurch!
seltian 4 years ago 2
can you tell me where that passage is please
Godwill3 3 years ago
Luke 23:28-30.
God bless you and keep you,
Anthony
seltian 3 years ago
must be easy to have an opinion like that when you weren't born with a uterus.
kristy116 4 years ago
As a comedian on mock the week said.
'Why are people who dont have sex (the pope and his mates at the vatican) telling people how to have sex?'
He also said
'The pope says having protected sex is unnatural, surely the most unnatural thing in the world is to not have sex?'
In my opinion he was correct on both accounts.
hardfi123 4 years ago 2
Has any Christian who contracepts asked why all Christian denominations were against contraception a century ago? Were Luther and Calvin wrong?
PatronRepo 4 years ago 2
Hi, I'm a Christian, so I want to be on friendly terms, but I disagree with you. I do agree that sex outside of marriage is wrong though. I don't think your evidence from the Bible is taken in the correct context. 1. Be fruitful and multiply; We have already done this as a whole, with almost 7billion people competing for resources, we are almost suffering from an overpopulation crisis.
raxor247razor1 4 years ago 4
2. onan; his sin was that he did not impregnate and provide a child to preserve his brother's line as the Lord commanded, not because of the act of contraception itself. Your last argument about "giving it all," well, that implies that married couples should always have sex. Basically, what i'm saying is if we follow your argument no sex= condom sex, which is not really true.
raxor247razor1 4 years ago 5
Sex is beautiful. If you weren't a virgin you'd know how nice sex is, shut up until you have experienced it. Contraception is a wonderful thing.
gorypleasure 4 years ago 5
Noone is against sex- just sex before marraige. As of cotriception- just have as much sex as you wish with your husband and except the fact children will come.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 4 years ago
Structure and Direction. Birth control is not wrong when used medically. Since you are not a guy, you would have no idea about how close to death you would be by having your period make you almost anemeic.Once cannot assume that the techonolgy of BC's are wrong. God created us to reproduce, but others cannot, for they can bleed to death.
Should a family who is starving have more kids?
Don't get me wrong, your other videos are awesome. I just disagree on this topic. :)
DBR21 4 years ago
Timothy 5:8, "If a man provide not for those of his own house, he has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel."
you are right!
skamic88 3 years ago
teenshouldn't be having sex anyway, not uless they are married.
Cormaxx 4 years ago
the only " safe sex" is abstinence.Abstinence does prevent pregnancy and it does prevent STDs.
Cormaxx 4 years ago
condoms and hormonal birth control may not be one hundred percent effective, but they reduce the risk to a negligible level, especially when both are properly used.
abstinence-only Does Not Work, because teenagers will do as they will. suppressing knowledge of contraceptives won't prevent them having sex, and only leads them to unprotected sex when they could be protected.
drakeblackhorn 4 years ago 4
marriage is an archaic ownership rite, and sex outside marriage doesn't hurt anyone. thus, there's nothing wrong with it, as long as proper caution is exercised.
drakeblackhorn 4 years ago
Sex outside of marriage hurts the LORD.
geminianjill 4 years ago
hahaha.
i can't tell if you're serious or joking. which is it?
drakeblackhorn 4 years ago
Use lube then
kitepilot 4 years ago
1. nowhere in the bible does it say that have to be married to have sex; it says if you're married, keep it in the home. 2. after the birth of a child, the female body produces hormones that curb fertility AND FUNCTION AS BIRTH CONTROL. though that birth control is only roughly 60% as effective as chemical birth control, God in His infinite wisdom knew that two parents may not adequately be able to raise their children if they have TWENTY OF THEM!!
bluebronx2000 4 years ago 2
1) there are plenty of places in the bible which teach against fornication which is sex outside of marriage. And even if it wasn't in the bible, it wouldn't matter because the church says its a sin
2) just because the body produces hormons which prevent birth after a woman has a baby does not give ppl the right to use artificial contraception
OneTrueChurch 4 years ago
1. that's the definition formed by the catholic church... the same church that values power over God, contradicts itself daily and supported hitler during the holocaust... 2. artificial contraception is equivalent to abstinence, which supposedly is more "godly."
bluebronx2000 4 years ago
1) No the catholic churhc did not support hitler in the holocaust (see my video: "Was Pius XII Hitler's Pope?")
2) No, contraception is not equivilent to abstinence. Contraception is about taking away the life giving aspect of sex and making it all about pleasure. Absitence is about not having sex. Anyone who is of good will can see the obvious difference!
OneTrueChurch 4 years ago
if God didn't want us to enjoy sex, He wouldn't have given us orgasms. you know why?? because we wouldn't do it if we didn't like it.
bluebronx2000 4 years ago
ofcourse sex is supposed to have a pleasurable aspect to it but its not the ONLY aspect to it. Sex, according to the catholic church has two purposes Procreation and pleasure, however, contraception takes away the procreative aspect to it and makes it only about pleasure that is whats wrong.
OneTrueChurch 4 years ago
the point that i was making was that procreation is the God-intended side effect of sex. once again, people don't have sex to have babies. they do it because they like it. if they are TRYING to have a baby, they just have MORE sex.
bluebronx2000 4 years ago 2
beyond that, the Catholic Church, one of the richest organizations in the world, has a history of gold-for-forgiveness, corruption, supporting the genocide of Jews during the Holocaust, pedophile priests, nuns getting abortions, killing of "heretics" and the like. so i, among others, am not inclined to CARE what they preach.
bluebronx2000 4 years ago 2
It's a bit confusing, Is this how Roman Catholic Church views it or the bible?
JosherForder 2 years ago
So It is true there was a concordat with Nazi Von Papen and a Roman Catholic Church official?
JosherForder 2 years ago
@bluebronx2000 Matthew 15:19, 20; Mark 7:21-23; Acts 15:20, 29; 21:25; 1 Corinthians 5:9-13; 6:18, 19; Hebrews 12:15, 16. Fornication: grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human; also there must have been two or more parties (including another consenting human or a beast), whether of the same sex or the opposite sex. (Jude 7) The unlawful act of a rapist is fornication, but, of course, that does not make the person who is forcibly raped also a fornicator.
JosherForder 1 year ago
@JosherForder who are you and why are you talking to me from a 3 YEAR OLD COMMENT? don't you have anything better to do?
bluebronx2000 1 year ago
All of Christianity was united in opposition to any form of birth control until about 1931 or so... when some Protestant churches began deeming it acceptable.
All one needs to do is look at the disatrous ramafications of the pill being introduced and what it's done to the nature of family, marriage, and relationships b/t men and women. Nobody can honestly say it has progressed things... it's only damaged real intimacy b/t men and women.
mikethetiger 4 years ago 2
intimacy still exists regardless of the pill. it's not birth control that's changed things... society was messed up long before then. beyond that, people have been practicing birth control for hundreds of years, and those societies didn't have the problems that we do today.
bluebronx2000 4 years ago 2
I never said intimacy didn't exist when using birth control. I said it has damaged real intimacy. I will stand by my statement.
How can you say birth control hasn't changed things? Look at some stats- the pill is introduced and the number of divorces, ill-legitimate children, abortions, and broken families sky-rockets. You think that is simply coincedence?
mikethetiger 4 years ago 2
yes, as a matter of fact it is. like i said before, birth control existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years before today's version. so there is no way you can claim that birth control accounts for those problems... ESPECIALLY abortions. it's really just a sign of the times.
bluebronx2000 4 years ago
NO, but I personally think that U (& several others) R introducing a "single-variable" cause and effect thing in 2 the social science argument, which is INCREDIBLY dangerous and irresponsible.
bimboblacky 2 years ago
Great vid! Im glad someone is speaking the truth! We have become a selfish nation where children are a inconvience. Satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy but now were doing it for him. The last thing satan wants is for christians to reproduce. God has given you great wisdom!
lovefromang 2 years ago
also do you know anything about NFP ???maybe youshould bring up those points on that!!!!
plna86 4 years ago
When you aren't having sex, you're not multiplying. You're sinning if you're not producing a baby every year.
There's only that one verse on "wasting seed" in the entire Bible. It's a complicated situation and not in commandment form.
If you look at Deuteronomy 2:34, Judges 12:6, or just read the entire old testament someday, you'll see it's not a great source for morality. There's about a dozen verses saying to kill disobedient children, and Jesus criticized people for not doing so.
afundie 4 years ago
contraception distorts the nature of the marital act and makes it all about pleasure and not about bearing offspring, it separates love from life
OneTrueChurch 4 years ago
God really doesn't care as much as you.
2 Kings 15:16 ... and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Hosea 13:16 ... they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
1 Samuel 15:3 ... slay both man and woman, infant and suckling ...
Isaiah 13:15-18 ... Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes ... they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
afundie 4 years ago
Read the bible carefully.
roflgasm36 4 years ago 2