Electrical Wiring-Fake Ground wire

[MrCraThe]

keep hiring some joe blow in home depot parking lot. and expect more scams and code violations. I'm not say poster hired them, but i see it all the time. But hell keeps me working, by redoing all the fail jobs done before me.

[bilzup]

I din't know you guy's over the pond still use cloth wound cable!!

[MrCraThe]

@bilzup We dont, but with old buildings needing repair, the old wires are left in place. A true nightmare when your swapping out boxes or trying to find a isolated circuit. I've seen live ceramic couplers and bare wire, just a fire waiting to happen.

[TheFred1952]

I have had somthing odd happen the power in the bathroom has stoped working and in testing the wires I have found the I have juce flowing through the black (i know that is normal) and the ground (I know that is not normal ) My question is this how do I correct it I was told that I might have a loose nuetral wire if that's the case how do I trace it thanks

[ibeleaf]

@TheFred1952 to put it simply something with "juice" is touching the ground wire(or a grounded box) at some point. call a friggin' electrician if you don't know what you're doing.

[YouAreSoRight]

Just Pretend you have had to say this for the tenth time to a person who is not listening; Speak much louder, shout into the mike because you're discriminating against hard of hearing people.

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Re-record this video.

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[rhblakeman]

Neighbor of mine did his own replacement of overhead service when his old 1950's service was torn off the wall during the ice storm in 2009. I looked at it and told him that he needed an earth ground with 2 8 ft ground rods and the spacing. He didn't want to drive the grounds into the frozen earth so he ran a 3 ft piece of bare copper into the conduit and onto the block. Inspector had no problem seeing it as fake since no open ground rods were on the grade to inspect. Shut him down, failed him

[WhiteShadow2k1]

Over here in Germany the boxes that hold the light switches, sockets etc. in the wall are made of plastic and thus need no grounding. I am curious why you seem to be using metal ones in the USA.

[exporms]

@WhiteShadow2k1 Metal boxes are safer because they are fire proof, plastic will melt in fire. the ground issue is not as important as the fire issue also metal boxes have grounding if done right..

[WhiteShadow2k1]

@exporms Okay, I understand that. Maybe they actually use metal boxes in industrial environments over here. All I know is that in private homes I have never seen them being used. The next time I hire an electrician I will ask them about it. :)

[exporms]

@WhiteShadow2k1 in new york city its been bx cable, metal boxes from the 1920s on.. but in states like vermont no bx cable but you can use plastic or metal boxes inside but outside its all bx wireing and boxes just that plastic tube is used over bx cable..

[cbarsonfire]

Government Inspectors also need continuing education. WIth budget cuts many agencies are wanting for additional training.

[dxhydrodotcom]

I was a supervisor for a DTV HSP several years ago & saw some of the absolute worst rigged crap ever from the DTV techs. I'm glad they have some good enforcement in your area. My idea was to have the tech supply a pic of the ground block, ground and dish for every job if he wanted to get paid. Premier communications was too cheap to buy cameras for the techs. 2 months later Directv fired them and all of their techs (2000+) for their terrible service. Premier/SCOTT AQUINO ripped me off over $4000

[madisonelectronic]

I was at a customer because he complained when he touched his new steel garage door he would get shocked. I felt the tingle too. I did not charge him and said to call back the installers. A few years later I was called back to fix a broken door spring. I carefully touched the door and NO shock. When I went inside the garage I found the installers had fixed the problem by using 1/2 of a car battery jumper cable, one clamp on the door opener and the other clamp on the conduit. I then fixed it.

[michaelalanlee]

I have seen a couple of these videos and liked them. You make an excellent point about crappy workmanship. It is all around us and we can't just trust that things are done right. I don't think this is a training issue. I think this is a character issue. Someone was willing to lie and faked the process to look like it was right because they wanted to be finished with it. You caught this, but what does a home owner do to check for sloppy work or short cuts or hidden flaws? How do you know?

[diveplane]

why the fuk is the ground wire original cable not strapped to the metal back box already what morons

[robotnaghandi]

LOL -- HVAC guys don't get squat for training on electrical. I provided a 3-conductor-plus-ground cable rough run for a pad-mount compressor, not knowing if the A/C needed neutral for any 120V controls or what. The HVAC guy cut my red conductor short at his end and connected white and black #8 for 220V!!! At the panel end (where I had terminated the cable) the white conductor was not long enough to reach the 2pole breaker. I told the customer the HVAC installer was going to have to run it again.

[sparkyUonline]

@robotnaghandi I agree that "ALL" trades need continued education. The internet has made Free training available to anyone that wants to improve on their training. If only a few people read your comment they might learn to double check the wiring. Not all trades understand the variables in our industry. When I go on a job and find something out of the ordinary I will look to find out why it's different and not to just assume.

[numkut116]

@sparkyUonline Where is this free training on the internet you speak of man? I am working for my dad, he is an electrical contractor and i would like to learn more about it on my off time.

[67tr876]

Look how easy it was for him to tie in the ground wire and he cant do it ? WHAT !

[mpelletier92]

Damn it's unbelievable how people can be dumb. I love your videos.

[sparkyUonline]

@mpelletier92 Well Thank You!

[tbwjs]

EGC should be green or bare. 250.119

[sparkyUonline]

@tbwjs Thanks for adding the code article,something that I will be doing more of in my videos. Thanks for watching!

[cbarsonfire]

@tbwjs

Good call. Many people forget about how to ground under article 250. One of the biggest is the supplemental grounding requirement due to the use of plastic water lines. Grounding vs. bonding is something that needs to be promoted in training.

Is that yellow spade crimp connector listed for high voltage applications?...LOL

[Dexianize]

that looks like a self-tapping screw used for the ground. another violation.

[sparkyUonline]

@Dexianize Good eye! Thanks for watching.

[durbinpoison775]

Nice job. Great video.

[sparkyUonline]

@durbinpoison775 Thanks for the comment,glad you liked it!

[mikeeshaq]

Mr Sparky:

Your audio is recorded way too low, I have my audio cranked all the way up and I can barely hear you

[sparkyUonline]

@mikeeshaq This is one of my earlier videos,I have since upgraded all my equipment and changed settings.Check out some of my latest videos and let me know if the audio is better.

Thanks for the comment and watching my videos.

Sparky

[michaeijd]

TALK LOUDER I CAN'T HERE YOU.



[relussier]

@michaeijd I agree, but I can't hear him.

[Tabor69Plaistow]

Was this guy working for you? If so, you fired him, right? Wow.. That's pathetic lol

[sparkyUonline]

@Tabor69Plaistow Yep He's down the road!

[MrRefurb]

Man it looks like there is some realy crap sparkies in the states.

[kyle1081]

That looks like some old air conditioner wiring.....never seen it like that

[sparkyUonline]

@kyle1081 If I remember correctly this house was built in the 40's

[1961fireguy]

THANKS FOR YOUR VIDEOS! I am a Fire Marshal, and find these kind of things all the time. It is also beyond me how people can take chances with someones life and sometimes their own life. These things do cause fires and electrical shocks. Unfortunately we have to clean up the mess. Thanks again.

[sparkyUonline]

@1961fireguy Thanks for watching my videos and your comment!

Sparky

[hugosarah1]

"he short stuffed it" mickey mouse in the house!

[meccaturbo]

This is single phase, there is no black "phase" and red "phase". It comes from a H-N-H secondary of a single phase transformer.

[popolynn2]

can you tell me what those furry lookin cables are called?

[Serostern]

@popolynn2 Electric wiring? =D

[Serostern]

Fake ground is even stupider than no grounding.

Wtf mate.

[merlinchanelle]

What a louser with no conscience about god work

[staydput]

BTW, a fair amount of HVAC units need a NEUTRAL & a GROUND.

They run the compressor leg to leg, 240V

The BLOWER sees only 120V, ie leg to neutral.

So the dude posting this ought to check that out...

The j-man was a cheat, but his reasoning was as good as the original poster.

In truth most A/Cs need 2 Hots, 1 Neutral (can be undersized a bit) AND a bonding conductor/ grounding conductor.

I've had this battle time and again on my commercial work.

Yes, my boys short-stuff me, too.

[kevin15664]

quick question, I tried to connect a wire to a plug, which has the two adapters for the black and white wire, where would I hook the ground to?

[staydput]

@kevin15664

I'd get a real electrician to solve my problem.

No way can anyone on the internet figure out your real situation.

[rmelton28]

The thing that gets me is why you would use the existing wire?That looks a little bigger than #6 wire in a WIRE NUT! Not good.You should never splice anything over #8 period without a lug of some type period.

[staydput]

The term of art is : He SHORT STUFFED IT.

What a cheat.

I'd jerk his ticket.

[TheJoseph313]

Did you fire that guy? I hope so!

[freemind4ever]

Hi im a sparky in u.k, thinking of moving to the u.s or canada. what advise can you give me in regards to working there, including the electrical wiring regs, exams etc..... if possible some sample questions, thankyou

[davevanden1]

you need to speak louder cant hear you in most of the vids

[serpentine5]

I am an electrician... when I saw the title "fake ground wire" I was like "Huh? How do you fake a ground wire?" well, I guess now i know.... LOL

[MrTodd198126]

Wow! Thats cheeky as Fack, i heard baout people cutting corners, but that is just unthinkable to me. So this guy was working for you when he did this? Im guessing you terminated his employment? (Forgive the pun)

[razeheer12]

speak up hard to hear your information.....mono tone

[Ditre]

perhaps if they told beginner electricians that installing improper wiring that kills someone makes them a murderer we would see less of this

[nx2overide]

LOL wow!

[epopchock]

No grounding wire in that box? Violation of code. There is no doubt in my mind that the homeowner will discover something is wrong when the circuit shorts out, overheats, and causes a fire that burns the house down.

[mythril4]

I am not an electrician, but I install satellites directly for DirecTV. About the grounding issue, we are fired instantly if we forget to ground one dish properly to NEC standards. We do not get a second chance on grounding, they have a "no ground no job" policy they heavly enforce.

[sparkyUonline]

@mythril4 Sounds like a great policy to me.

[MIKON8ERISBACK]

@mythril4 The American electrical codes are MUCH more strict than up here in Canada. At my school, we have some absolutely ancient, beat up overhead projectors with GROUNDING PRONGS FORCIBLY REMOVED!!! The work that the school boards do is a fire hazard.

[mythril4]

@MIKON8ERISBACK

That happens alot here, many people cut or tear out the ground pole from their devices because they have old outdated 2 prong outlets. I always tell people "If you have to modify your device's plugs to fit your outlets, it is time to update your outlets".

[crookcirca80]

@MIKON8ERISBACK Actually the NEC and CEC are fairly close in standards. Here in Canada, we usually adopt standards that are in the NEC. Just because someone removed the ground prong on a cord end, doesn't mean it's to code here in Canada, in fact I can tell you it is definitely against the CEC. Electricians in the USA and Canada are bound by some of the best Electrical standards in the world.

[archeryman5000]

@mythril4 Who do you contact? the guys that installed mine could not get the plug to go into the outlet because of the ground prong, I told him to try another outlet and that I would get that one changed, he said no problem and just broke the ground prong off.

[mythril4]

@archeryman5000

Your receiver is not going to die with no ground prong, it just for short circuit protection. We have to ground the RG-6 from the dish before they even get to the receivers.

DirectTV uses only two styles of power cords, the 2 and the 3 prong. Both are used in general electronics, probably could find one at a thrift store.

[archeryman5000]

@mythril4 so much for proper grounding, the ground is not to protect the reciever its to protect the person that touches the reciever if there is a problem with the circuitry in it.

thanks

[creasy666]

useless bastard!!!!

[sparkyUonline]

@creasy666

Yeap,quite a few of those out there~~~LOL

[glenwoofit]

I hope the electrician who did this was sacked, These are the kinda people who kill with their dogey work...

[UltraEpicLoser]

@glenwoofit I hope he wasn't sacked, but rather taught not to do that again. Firing somebody will not prevent that from happening again. I blame the journeyman for not teaching proper standards. Why even hire idiots. Mistakes and errors happen, there are always several reasons for this. Maybe he was rushed by the jman. Maybe the jamn did not provide enough instructions, I hate finger pointers who never take any responsibility for their own workers.

[glenwoofit]

@UltraEpicLoser Any electrician who would fake an earth connection needs a lot of retraining, even a child knows it's required for safety. I'm a Approved Electrician and Inspector and I know from time to time we all make mistakes but to to put a fake earth connection in is beyond stupid and when hes doing 15 years in prison for manslaughter he'll have plenty of time to retrain...

[UltraEpicLoser]

@glenwoofit Sorry, watched rest of video and heard it was from a journeyman. Thats either dumb or ignorant.

If that was a first year, I would blame the journeyman, and the journeyman would ream out the apprentice. I was just frustrated at the lack of training some journeyman provide to apprentices.

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[ab0ad]

quote i heard one time There is no right time to do what is wrong and there is no wrong time to do what it right

[ab0ad]

Does he still have a backside after you were done with him ?? I am not a licensed electricen and do my own work but would NEVER do anything like this I always make my GROUNDS 100% even run ground wire inside conduit to equipment steel conduit can come lose and / or carrode, my neutrals r 100%, I use proper size wire for load and proper circuit brakers for wire size, ballanced loads, worked for a power co so I love ground rods. Thanks for the great videos

[gswimfrk]

FAKE GROUND WIRE!! Go and fire him!!

[croakerchoker504]

why did u hire him in the first place

[sparkyUonline]

He passed the written test,which goes to show you that a test doesn't mean shit to me.The man was a control guru,I found out later he was lazy and distracted by outside the work place issues.He knew better than to do this and also knew it was already grounded.Electricians need to be focused when doing their work!

[cdog9991]

@sparkyUonline

"He passed the written test,which goes to show you that a test doesn't mean shit to me."

If he passed the test that means he knows what he is doing. But he is either lazy or just wanted to "finish" the job quickly. I, as a apprentice, wouldn't DARE to do some irresponsible, stupid shit like that.

I hope you fired that bastard. There are plenty of people out there that would love to take his place and do the job correctly.

[SmashCOBamberg]

he should go to jail for this

[dan219089]

there is really nothing funny about shit work.

[Blobsterss]

He did a pretty job with taping off the wirenuts. But why the hell not properly ground it when you already have a freaking ground in the box? Even an apprentice would know better!

Off with his head!

[1njtrooper]

Yes more training is needed but whats need more is work ethic, integrity and respect for the trade!

[ChapelHillElectric]

Could you speak up please?. I can't hear it.

[sparkyUonline]

Sound is fine here too!

[77minuteman]

I'm glad that you found that. Not because the inspector might have found it, but because someone might have been KILLED!

[sparkyUonline]

It is sad that a person is so lazy that he would not have done it right the first time

[redsquirrelftw]

LOL that is brutal. I'm just a DIYer and I would NEVER do something like this. Sad that someone with 15 years experience would.

[sparkyUonline]

You got that right! And he wonders why he is always looking for work!

[studpuppy69]

Did you give him hell and fire him? Give you a BAD name.

[sparkyUonline]

Found it before the inspector.I had a gut feeling he would do something like this.

[sciencekid17]

who the hell puts a fake ground wire?

[sparkyUonline]

A lazy ass SOB!

[windoes98se]

good tip

[sparkyUonline]

I hate lazy people.Another thing is there was already a ground in j-box all he had to do was add a lug and splice!

[ballsniff13]

how do people get away with stuff like this they could have killed someone

[mwethereld]

my god,,, thats deplorable, i see crap like this all the time, especially this! but usually its the 1st and 2nd year apprentices im supervising, they do all sorts of whacky crap, they just dont seem to get how important an equipotential bond is and how it protects,,, and then they think that just a strand around a screw is ok,,,, how hard is it to go and crimp a lug on,,,,,,  thanks for the quick comment.... great displays of workmanship, i hope to see more in the future,,, regards,

[mwethereld]

was this an apprentice or a sparktrician that did it,,,

[sparkyUonline]

He said he has 15 years in the business.Goes to show you; time in the trade doesn't mean anything.