Posted this on another vid as well, but I find it bears repeating.. I just yearn for an answer on this O_o
It looks so very plausible, but I can never get the thought out of my head that says 'BUT WHAT IF HE JUST WERE TO RETREAT??' What if that guy Endo Shihan is working with would just pull his hands back, what would happen then? O_o Would Sensei still be able to do all that rad stuff with all the stumbling?
Endo sensei gives you the answer (4:18-4:33 in the video).
"It's possible that, if the partner tries to escape, there may be a need to grab. But there's no need to do anything to a person who want's to go away.".
You won't be able to "do all that cool stuff with the person", but then you don't need to do anything.
@cryodragoon If uke were to retreat, the technique is over; or the participants end up changing roles. Uke's role is to continuously attack; retreating is defending. Once uke stops attacking, there is nothing for nage to do.
@shiifu I wouldn't say "huge influence". I would say he enjoyed the similarities. Once he even referenced YinYang. Apart from that, he hasn't really in China long enough to say that he trained gongfu extensively.
There are similar theories, talking about an influence of Baguazhang. But personally, I have never found more than similarities in the techniques. Aikijujutsu itself was the main factor.
I would say that Aiki and "the highest principle" are simply two ways of looking at the same thing.
@HomunculusProject Actully everything from Daotiruyo and Aikijutsu, and many many other styles and shintoism and other philospfy made a huge influence. But all martial art has there roots in china, Specialy Aikido. I have been training with endo, tiser, and my old old sensei 70 yers old who lived in japan, and this is what they told me. // Shifu.
@shiifu It is true that the Chinese martial arts were the main root of Budo and perhaps one could say, that Aikido of all Japanese martial arts embodies the essence of what one can find in Wundangshan... But up to this date I have never found any evidence of a direct influence of Gongfu on Ueshibas Aikido.
@HomunculusProject Actully what we know is that he studied the samurai way of fighting thats why we have the sword in aikido and jiujutsu and judo and other budo arts, but he has actully been in china and mongolia and pracitising something secret in the mountains, nobody til this days knows what it was, we just know that he has been there, and there is one picture when he holds in hands in meditation like a daoist, we dont know, some say this some that, but only him and God knows now
@shiifu He was merely a couple years there in sum. And also he was working as a bodyguard and was helping with the revolution. Him knowing of and studying Chinese culture was not strange, since that was quite normal in Japan.
But you are right, no one knows what he did in his free time. Perhaps he watched some Chinese martial artists and exchanged experiences with them (no martial artist would let that chance pass, especially not Ueshiba).
The uke isn't attacking his center just trying to stay connected to his hand. Very affected and weird.
MDunclestinky 3 weeks ago
Posted this on another vid as well, but I find it bears repeating.. I just yearn for an answer on this O_o
It looks so very plausible, but I can never get the thought out of my head that says 'BUT WHAT IF HE JUST WERE TO RETREAT??' What if that guy Endo Shihan is working with would just pull his hands back, what would happen then? O_o Would Sensei still be able to do all that rad stuff with all the stumbling?
cryodragoon 1 year ago
Great video.
@cryodragoon
Endo sensei gives you the answer (4:18-4:33 in the video).
"It's possible that, if the partner tries to escape, there may be a need to grab. But there's no need to do anything to a person who want's to go away.".
You won't be able to "do all that cool stuff with the person", but then you don't need to do anything.
avparker440 1 year ago 5
@cryodragoon If uke were to retreat, the technique is over; or the participants end up changing roles. Uke's role is to continuously attack; retreating is defending. Once uke stops attacking, there is nothing for nage to do.
canajaneh 11 months ago
@cryodragoon In the words of O-Sensei:
"When an opponent comes forward, move in and greet him; if he wants to pull back, send him on his way."
HomunculusProject 9 months ago 4
@HomunculusProject Very similar to Tai chi, actully Tai chi and daoism was a huge influence of osensei
shiifu 5 months ago
@shiifu I wouldn't say "huge influence". I would say he enjoyed the similarities. Once he even referenced YinYang. Apart from that, he hasn't really in China long enough to say that he trained gongfu extensively.
There are similar theories, talking about an influence of Baguazhang. But personally, I have never found more than similarities in the techniques. Aikijujutsu itself was the main factor.
I would say that Aiki and "the highest principle" are simply two ways of looking at the same thing.
HomunculusProject 5 months ago
@HomunculusProject Actully everything from Daotiruyo and Aikijutsu, and many many other styles and shintoism and other philospfy made a huge influence. But all martial art has there roots in china, Specialy Aikido. I have been training with endo, tiser, and my old old sensei 70 yers old who lived in japan, and this is what they told me. // Shifu.
shiifu 5 months ago
@shiifu It is true that the Chinese martial arts were the main root of Budo and perhaps one could say, that Aikido of all Japanese martial arts embodies the essence of what one can find in Wundangshan... But up to this date I have never found any evidence of a direct influence of Gongfu on Ueshibas Aikido.
HomunculusProject 5 months ago
@HomunculusProject It has influence of Daoism and chinese arts as tai chi. But you are right, its not like kung fu as we know it. // Shifu
shiifu 5 months ago
@shiifu Is there any proof that Ueshiba studied any of that? And rather than daoism, he was profoundly influenced by his sect.
HomunculusProject 5 months ago
@HomunculusProject Actully what we know is that he studied the samurai way of fighting thats why we have the sword in aikido and jiujutsu and judo and other budo arts, but he has actully been in china and mongolia and pracitising something secret in the mountains, nobody til this days knows what it was, we just know that he has been there, and there is one picture when he holds in hands in meditation like a daoist, we dont know, some say this some that, but only him and God knows now
shiifu 5 months ago
@shiifu He was merely a couple years there in sum. And also he was working as a bodyguard and was helping with the revolution. Him knowing of and studying Chinese culture was not strange, since that was quite normal in Japan.
But you are right, no one knows what he did in his free time. Perhaps he watched some Chinese martial artists and exchanged experiences with them (no martial artist would let that chance pass, especially not Ueshiba).
HomunculusProject 5 months ago
auch wenn man denkt er macht das mit dem Oberkörper schaut mal auf die Füße
Endo Sensei ist der Beste
sandan1310 1 year ago
no ma-ai
nankhue0882 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading this fantastic material from Endo Shihan!
folkncoke 1 year ago
Always very interesting Endo Sensei's Work!
fabiobranno 1 year ago