From what I know, Baneblades have the same armor numbers as the Landraider so they are even there, but the landraider has four lascannons(anti vehicle weapons) while baneblade has two lascannons and two heavy shell weapons which are good all-arounders but probably not vehicle rape on a beating stick like the Lassies. In short, the Landraider is for eating Vehicles and staying alive and Baneblade is for killing everything and staying alive
I'm actually impressed. Baneblade is supposed to be anty infantry unit, but obviously the 11 barrels of hell are still able to beat the 4 barrels of lazords :D
well land rider is better at my opinion cuz it left banblade with 150hp wich means anything from could kill him.but i dont underastamate imperial guard cuz of that
the force commander was probably pissed off because he lost the land raider so he called an orbital strike to destroy the baneblade and then the general said "i won fair and square and now i will kill you"
no shit a baneblade would kill a land raider in the table top game its 3 times the size and as like ten guns, but i simple laught at someone using one i send 1 greater deamon of khorne and its gone in a turn even if it shoots at me.
Landraider has the potential to stand up to the baneblade because of its thick armor and two twin-linked lasguns on tabletop. The only thing that's a drawback for it is that a standard landraider doesn't have structure points, so it has to be pretty lucky with its penetrating hits. Now, make it a Terminus-pattern landraider and suddenly that baneblade is in a LOT more danger...3 twin-link lascannons, two regular las cannons...ouch.
@khornne898 Right, but we're only talking a standard baneblade here.
Stormsword has to hit, which it only has a 50-50 chance of doing, and only has 1 D strength weapon, so for it to be certain of victory it still has to fire first and hit. The landraider terminus has 5 lascannons, three of which are twin-linked, and the crew fires them much more accurately...so if they get to shoot, could be problematic for stormsword. Still, I'd put my money on the Stormsword :)
@Alamandorious sad thing is play against both of those varients on tabletop and killed both with Bloodthirster, the land raider terminus is good but u have to shoot all the lascannons into one thing which turns out to be wastful ( unless your shooting super heavy or Gargantues creature) while the Stormsword which is actually the plasma blastgun equipped baneblade ( that was a my bad ) the shadowsword has the D gun and has 120 inch range while the land raiders lascannons have 48 so the baneblade
Also, Landraider's have Power of the Machine Spirit, which lets them shoot one of their weapons independently of all considerations (except destroyed of course), so they don't have to focus on just one target.
Alright, we've been talking about the wrong baneblade variant; Stormsword doesn't have the D weapon, it has a strength 10 ap1 36" range 10" blast weapon. Against this variant, because of its lower range, I have to go with the landraider. Now the Shadowsword, on the other hand, is the one with the 120" range ap2 strength D weapon. Again, you're hoping that the landraider can't close range on you in time, and hoping your 1 big shot can hit it first turn.
Baneblade in DoW is best used as a support tank; it can take on anything and hurt it badly, but you should have backup for it...like a few HW teams and some infantry to stand in front of it lol.
when facing the Imperial guard the land raider will have a hard time if the enemy team has a psyker, if they have multiple psykers it might as well give up. They can disable all tanks, including the land raider (done it myself in a friendly 1v1 match, it was dead before it even fired a shot)
what's better for the baneblade, the battle cannon or the big plasma cannon? I have no clue which to get I play against imperial guard (very tank heavy and long range) army and a khorne ( infantry heavy and close combat specialized) army.
I feel sorry for the guys controlling the Bolters on the Land Raiders. All alone for several seconds until the Lascannons kick in, over and over again.
I am an imperial guard guy, i have to admit the land raider is better. BUT if you do what the baneblade was made to do: Support Troops. meaning. Infantry help tank vice versa. Land raider would not hold unless supported by space marines.
bane blade is an all round useage, and the fact of it's long range and multi cannons is more infantry kill based yet it proves how it dominates even against a land raider which is mainly anti tank
The Baneblade in real 40K is an apocalypse tank. it has 3 strength 9 weapons and 1 strength 10 weapon. The Hellbore cannon itself has a 72" range, putting it outside the Land Raider's maximum. It's a strength 9 ap3 10" ordinance blast template, which means it rolls 2D6 for armor penetration (take the highest). it has 2 lascannons, strength 9 ap 2 with a 48" range, and 1 demolisher cannon that's strength 10 ap 1 with a 24" range. It stands a good chance of taking down the LR quickly.
Dude, I was offering an example of the real thing vs the Dawn of War version. If you look back through, there was talk about real 40K stuff. Look even on the page before this one, and they talked about the Land Raider Crusader only being able to kill armor 12 tanks...there's no armor 12 in DoW.
Before you tell someone to shut up, make sure you read everything that came before.
Well, let me as you this: do you work, and do you make a decent amount of money? IG is VERY model intensive...they can field more than any army and only use 2 troops choices to do it. Thus, it makes them expensive.
Necrons not so much, but they have an outdated codex. They are, however, more economically feasible than IG in terms of real money
Either way, only buy 1 squad or 1 vehicle at a time, paint what you have, and only buy another squad/vehicle after your done.
@Alamandorious dude, like i have time to look at all the comments, i appoligize for teling you to shut up only beacause you wer so cool about it (no name calling or wtv) :)
It is good; a baneblade can sustain more damage than a landraider, period. Not only does it have more weapons to get taken away, but its primary weapon has a chance of simply ignoring damage done to it. At the very least, it can lose its 3 structure points before dying, as opposed to the Landraider potentially dying to 1 hit,
Every weapon has an AP value and a Strength, and may have a special rule. We'll go with a lascannon for this example; it's straight forward.
A lascannon has a strength of 9 and AP of 2. AP value has no bearing on vehicles unless it's AP 1. Vehicles have different armor values for facings...we'll say it hits the front armor of something, armor 13.
So,STR 9 + D6...if the strength plus the d6 is equal to the armor, it's a glancing hit. If it's higher, it's a penetrating hit.
Okay, I get that. So it regardless of how much higher it is the armor, it doesn't inflict any extra damage, but does that effect anything on the critical damage table.
Something else I'm curious about are destroyer weapons. Do they just automatically score penetrating hits?
No, only AP 1 weapons have an additional effect on the critical damage table (when referring to basic stats).
Destroyer or 'D' strength weapons bypass armor, and instantly kill non-vehicles, ie a force commander, unless said model is immune to instant death (in which case it takes D3 wounds). Luckily, they're only in apocalypse :)
D weapons are nasty, but they are of limited use: since they most commonly only hit 1 model at a time, squads or squadrons have an advantage.
So a Shadow sword can't be used outside of Apocalypse? Either way, it would explain why the tactica I read on Super Heavies list it as being mostly an anti-armor.
So do destroyer weapons automatically destroy vehicles with no structure points or void shields?
Correct on the shadow sword. No super-heavies can be used in the standard game, and shouldn't; there really isn't enough room for them. I tried once, and my poor baneblade got hammered so badly only its bolters and stubber could actually ever fire.
I don't know about the auto-destruction; I know non-vehicle models die instantly unless they're immune to instant death; I think that it's just auto penetration upon hit for vehicles, which is still very nasty.
So would that mean it would instantly destroy a monstrous creature like an Avatar or a Greater Deamon?
What exactly determines the number of penetrating hits a vehicle can take? I have looked at datasheets on GW.com and found armor listings, but nothing on how many hits a vehicle can take before it dies. Earlier you implied a penetrating hit is a kill on most vehicles.
As for the number of penetrating hits, super-heavies are the only vehicles that have a number of structure points to withstand damage with, and even then 1 shot has the potential to kill them (super heavies have their own damage table, and 6 is 'chain reaction', meaning multiple rolls).
Regular vehicles could die from one hit, or take several; weapons can be blown off, and the engine wrecked, or they may roll a 5 or 6 first try.
In actual 40K, nightbringer isn't invulnerable, and doesn't spawn in from the necron lord. Damn hard to kill, yes, but not impossible. I forget how many wounds nightbringer has, but against a D weapon (if he's immune to instant death), he could potentially die to 1 shot, possibly 2.
I'll have a look at a necron codex this thursday and get back to you,
Nicht vergessen der Space marine Commander konnte nur gewinnen weil das eigentlich ein kommando-trupp ist mit psioniker und prediger hätten die den alleine mit fähigkeiten gebasht
the land raider is designed to smash into enemy lines delivering its cargo of troops then to follow up with support. the standard lr has las cannon for anti tank other variants are anti infantry specific.
put a landraider up against a shadowsword then see what happens, ill give it 1 shot and that landraider will be a smouldering wreck, i have done this it is fun :D
@soniikeuh Its ELDAR. theres no S at the end of Eldar. Singular or Plural. You just demonstrated how retarded you are... and you play eldar. Probably gay too.
I tell you what, in the tabletop game a guy at point blank range with a melta is a serious threat to a Land Raider, as I found out when some chaos Termies did just that to me. :(
the point of the machine spirit is to show that how old and venerable land raiders are. baneblades though greate will still get destroyed pretty easily the novels. land raiders on the other hand can be up to 11k years old...you do the math
the reason why bane is so much more powerful than land raider in gameplay is that it has longer range, more sustained firepower, and it disrupts toops. Land raider despite being a good tank is obviously a tank best suited for anti tank rather than anti infantry
In real 40K, the Crusader can have a multi-melta. This allows it to roll 2D6 plus the multi-melta's strength of 8 within 12 inches. It's also an AP1 weapon, which means it does something else to vehicles (I forget what exactly), so a Crusader CAN take down any tank in the game.
either of these beasts is complletely useless on its own and only shows actal strenght when combined with other units.
and OF COURSE the DoW isnt COMPLETELY accurate with the table top version ya dumb twats! It cannot be done to begin with!(without seriously crippling gameplay).
And for the record both are giants in their own right and anyone who actually plays the tabletop variant knows when they clash you never know which ones going to suffer first.
this game is not acurate to the real warhhamer 40k:
the land rider is (with with the monolith) the most armored veichle in the whole 40k game, it's armed with 4 las cannons and two heavy bolters.
the Baneblade has a lower armor rating, but its thougher to kill since its a super-heavy.
Also, the Baneblade is armed with two main guns: the main cannon and a demoliser cannon (both stronger than the las cannons) 6 heavy bolters and 2 las connons.
well actually the land raiders has 2 lascanons coz there twin linked and dont count as 4 but 2 twin linked las cannons and same goes for the heavy bloters
exactly what it says on the tin, super heavy, basically around 7 or 8 times the weight of your average tank. Roughly I think it's 600 tonnes for a Baneblade if my memory serves me correctly.
a Super heavy in game would normally only be used in Apocalypse games, in which case it gets structure points, which means it needs to be hit multiple times before it finally dies normally, unless you get one heckuva lucky dice roll, but normally I think it has around 3 Structure points, so where you would kill a normal tank once, you would have to kill this 3 times effectively, though there are others here may be able to correct me on that.
but if you had the Shadow Sword it could probably one shot a land raider. Because its like a bane blade but with a long ranged hyper partical cannon thing.
the shadow sword was built for the purpose of taking down chaos titans and ork stompas the cannon it has can easily reach and destroy titan class walkers
Both of them are evenly matched. The Baneblade got its two huge main weapons (and 9 other) and the Land Raider got less, but just as powerfull guns. Since both have same HP (10,000 i think) its Machine Spirit that decide what tank win.
The Land Raider even has the Machine Spirit ability, which is nice. Baneblade doesn't have that. They can transport terminators...Baneblade can't do that either.Their lascannons are longer-ranged and more powerful.
It's ridiculous to compare the Land Raider and Baneblade. Not only are they for completely different purposes (within killing the Emperor's enemies, of course), they don't even rely on the same attributes!
Consider the Land Raider - a gunship-transport, with anti-armor weapons and AV 14 all around.
Consider the Baneblade - purely a gunship, has weapons to decimate every single type of enemy it comes across, has three wounds and slightly less armor than a Land Raider.
the outcome is not suprising, the IG arent supposed to fight the great defenders of humanity, the IG ways are to crush with vast numbers, other than surgical strikes that cripples and destroys most. For the Emperor! i play orks however
that being true, the land raider is ment to be a armored hulk built to take out one thing, the baneblade was built to be the fray, haveing multiple targets, dont get me wrong, i love the gaurd as much as the next, but i do belive the land raider is better in 1vs1
a land raider could pown if it got close, it could still use its lascannon while the bane couldent use hise massive cannon. because it has a mininum range.
I do, mostly my own marine chapter, but I also have a pure Daemonhunter/Grey Knight army as well. Sometimes I ally them together for a real punch, but mostly I just play either.
I have several variations of the Land Raiders including a Prometheus that I custom built out of baneblade parts and a vindicator kit bashed with the LR base. It is super intimidating on the field when it runs along side my Inquisition Baneblade.
Good times! Your never too old to play, no matter what anyone says.
its not that i think they are cool ( although i really like the models) i like the tactics,the fact vehicles are needed, and i ljike ahving small, elite armies, less management.plus, yeah they are kinda cool. i could, i would have gone ig but i got the assault on black reach, for the sake of saving money
its cos the marines are a jack-of-all-trades. they can do anything, but can't really specialise in them to the extent of other forces. i know pple that have played them like IG and just rolled over the enemy.
machine spirit. damnation criusade copy (all thought it is a 40k comic.) A MACHINE SPIRIT IS a SPACE MERINE to damaged to live to preshes to die so there soul is in a machine in control of it.
I never realized how somewhat evenly matched the Land Raider and Baneblade are in Dawn of war; the Baneblade just about wins against it in a normal fight without machine Spirit.; that's amazing. What a difference Machine Spirit made in the 1st fight.
In the tabletop game the Land Raider probably wouldn't stand a chance unless the player was incredibly lucky or If the dice gods favor them :P Ah well I'm not going to compare them; since they are two different systems.
Maybe, but it would still need to roll alot of sixes just to remove the baneblades structure points. It only takes one shot from the baneblade to kill an ultra.
You guys must not play the actual 40k game (with dice), 'cause there is no way a land raider could kill a baneblade like that! Land raider has 2 twin linked lascannons, and 1 twin linked heavy bolter. Baneblade has 2 lascannons, 3 twin linked heavy bolters, a demolisher cannon, and a baneblade cannon on top! not only that, but the baneblade has 4 structure points aswell, so really, it needs to be killed 4 times!! BANEBLADE kicks arse!!
*clears throat* Sorry I dont know what Baneblade you are looking at but a Standard Patter Baneblade has 3 not 4 Structure Points. The Terminus Ultra has 3 TL LCannons and 2 Lcannons. SO it could kill a Baneblade, even when hitting front armor, however it would need to go first and kill it in one turn other wise the Autocannon and Main Cannon would destroy it in one hit.
bare in mind that a land raider is armour 14 and i thin k the baneblade is armour 13 on the rear. a heavy bolter wouldnt touch a landraider but the cannon and 2 lascannon would and ten u have to get a 5for glance and 6 penetrateing. but u gota c if you hit first so it could be tough. i have killed 1 baneblade with landraider it was a lucky round of shooting 2lascannon shots and multi melta shot (new rules alow a landraider to have multimelta) but i agree its hard
I know this has nothing to do with what happened, BUT I find it funny that a Land Raider has more Side and Rear armor then a Warhound or even Warlord Titan, lol.
ET ES DEH BEINBLADE!!!
minvydaaas454 1 week ago
how about King Bowser tears Baneblade and Land Raider like they are made from Tissue Paper?
Masonicon 1 week ago
From what I know, Baneblades have the same armor numbers as the Landraider so they are even there, but the landraider has four lascannons(anti vehicle weapons) while baneblade has two lascannons and two heavy shell weapons which are good all-arounders but probably not vehicle rape on a beating stick like the Lassies. In short, the Landraider is for eating Vehicles and staying alive and Baneblade is for killing everything and staying alive
daxter8792 1 week ago
What the fuck...how was that so close?
I thought Baneblade's were psychotically powerful.
Redfingers 2 weeks ago
@Redfingers baneblade=rape infantry
land raider=rape machines.
baneblade i still think is better. its just better well rounded unit.
mondragon078 1 week ago
2nd round very close
sillybro100 3 weeks ago
not even close
sillybro100 3 weeks ago
not really land radiers are beast
sillybro100 3 weeks ago
IG actualy built something that works o wait it kills half your guardsmen too
theitalianscotdan 1 month ago
what is this game
MrBannanaification 3 months ago
@MrBannanaification Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Winter Assault
desu38 1 month ago
I'm actually impressed. Baneblade is supposed to be anty infantry unit, but obviously the 11 barrels of hell are still able to beat the 4 barrels of lazords :D
pawninwordsandsoon 4 months ago
Hard to imagine how the hell that metal bawkse tore up the huge Baneblade
fmagistel 4 months ago
SM noobs :P
Xdemon251 4 months ago
DAMN!
Nagneto 4 months ago
LAND RAIDER to WIN
SoapBoxNematoad 5 months ago
lol i think the force commander likes playing squash or tennis not sure
kingdecano 5 months ago
Land Raider for the win :D
crazytom5000 6 months ago
well land rider is better at my opinion cuz it left banblade with 150hp wich means anything from could kill him.but i dont underastamate imperial guard cuz of that
bloodraven256 7 months ago
lol force commander barely took a scratch
3458andrew 8 months ago
tank vs tank
3458andrew 8 months ago
2nd round was pretty close
legoguy275 8 months ago
what game is this?
legoguy275 8 months ago
the force commander was probably pissed off because he lost the land raider so he called an orbital strike to destroy the baneblade and then the general said "i won fair and square and now i will kill you"
SuperMihaCar 9 months ago
The Grey Knights at 3:36 : "FOR THE EMPRAH!! Oh wait, he's dead already... Damn kill stealer..."
FC: "Just shut up and follow me, there's more fighting to do!"
Maximillionum 9 months ago
no shit a baneblade would kill a land raider in the table top game its 3 times the size and as like ten guns, but i simple laught at someone using one i send 1 greater deamon of khorne and its gone in a turn even if it shoots at me.
khornne898 9 months ago
@khornne898
Landraider has the potential to stand up to the baneblade because of its thick armor and two twin-linked lasguns on tabletop. The only thing that's a drawback for it is that a standard landraider doesn't have structure points, so it has to be pretty lucky with its penetrating hits. Now, make it a Terminus-pattern landraider and suddenly that baneblade is in a LOT more danger...3 twin-link lascannons, two regular las cannons...ouch.
Alamandorious 8 months ago
@Alamandorious well if were playing that game get a stormsword with the strength D gun and kill it without having to worry about tring to pen.
khornne898 8 months ago
@khornne898 Right, but we're only talking a standard baneblade here.
Stormsword has to hit, which it only has a 50-50 chance of doing, and only has 1 D strength weapon, so for it to be certain of victory it still has to fire first and hit. The landraider terminus has 5 lascannons, three of which are twin-linked, and the crew fires them much more accurately...so if they get to shoot, could be problematic for stormsword. Still, I'd put my money on the Stormsword :)
Alamandorious 8 months ago
@Alamandorious sad thing is play against both of those varients on tabletop and killed both with Bloodthirster, the land raider terminus is good but u have to shoot all the lascannons into one thing which turns out to be wastful ( unless your shooting super heavy or Gargantues creature) while the Stormsword which is actually the plasma blastgun equipped baneblade ( that was a my bad ) the shadowsword has the D gun and has 120 inch range while the land raiders lascannons have 48 so the baneblade
khornne898 8 months ago
@khornne898
Also, Landraider's have Power of the Machine Spirit, which lets them shoot one of their weapons independently of all considerations (except destroyed of course), so they don't have to focus on just one target.
Alamandorious 8 months ago
@Alamandorious would never get touched by the land raider unless it was somehow deepstrikes or flankmarches
khornne898 8 months ago
@khornne898
Alright, we've been talking about the wrong baneblade variant; Stormsword doesn't have the D weapon, it has a strength 10 ap1 36" range 10" blast weapon. Against this variant, because of its lower range, I have to go with the landraider. Now the Shadowsword, on the other hand, is the one with the 120" range ap2 strength D weapon. Again, you're hoping that the landraider can't close range on you in time, and hoping your 1 big shot can hit it first turn.
Alamandorious 8 months ago
Landraider is like anti vehicle-building, i'm not surprised it won -.-
Wait until you unleash the baneblade on an army of infantry.
Morevalor 9 months ago
@Morevalor
Baneblade in DoW is best used as a support tank; it can take on anything and hurt it badly, but you should have backup for it...like a few HW teams and some infantry to stand in front of it lol.
Alamandorious 8 months ago
@Alamandorious true :P
Morevalor 8 months ago
you said kill the baneblade, but you obviously overkilled it
jaspertheking4life 10 months ago
when facing the Imperial guard the land raider will have a hard time if the enemy team has a psyker, if they have multiple psykers it might as well give up. They can disable all tanks, including the land raider (done it myself in a friendly 1v1 match, it was dead before it even fired a shot)
gaarvaag 10 months ago
nice
kratos3111 11 months ago
ok for the next round land raider vs stormblade starting at 1km away
MB0016 1 year ago
One question ¿The imperial guard general with full menbers of the scuad command ? i think the marine commander will recibe a big beating.
lemanruss 1 year ago
lol the land raider totally won even without machine spirit it almost destroyed the baneblade
AznGamer009 1 year ago
@AznGamer009 in actual 40k (not the dawn of war game) the baneblade would have torn the land raider to pieces before the land raider even for a shot
Dorraj1997 1 year ago 10
@Dorraj1997
not actualy, its about luck...
minvydaaas454 1 week ago
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@AznGamer009 in actual 40k (not the dawn of war game) the baneblade would have torn the land raider to pieces before the land raider even got a shot
Dorraj1997 1 year ago
The land raider would loose if it met a baneblade like that in the fluff
Hippiechild817 1 year ago
what's better for the baneblade, the battle cannon or the big plasma cannon? I have no clue which to get I play against imperial guard (very tank heavy and long range) army and a khorne ( infantry heavy and close combat specialized) army.
strapinhotpockets 1 year ago
@strapinhotpockets battle cannon infantary plasma if faceing necrons
catslayer314 9 months ago
The baneblade can be even more powerful against tanks if it could use AP rounds(armor piercing).
gerrit5551 1 year ago
I feel sorry for the guys controlling the Bolters on the Land Raiders. All alone for several seconds until the Lascannons kick in, over and over again.
theguywhoannoysme 1 year ago
baneblade owns land raider but raider is good too...
TheFALKIRION 1 year ago
I am an imperial guard guy, i have to admit the land raider is better. BUT if you do what the baneblade was made to do: Support Troops. meaning. Infantry help tank vice versa. Land raider would not hold unless supported by space marines.
ARomanianKid14 1 year ago
bane blade is an all round useage, and the fact of it's long range and multi cannons is more infantry kill based yet it proves how it dominates even against a land raider which is mainly anti tank
BloodThroughWar 1 year ago
wa, dc or ss?
EDDiiFRanKliN 1 year ago
the land raider is the weakest of the strongest for me, because of its tactical inflexibility baneblade really is the best
Hypastpist 1 year ago
damn hard to kill huh? wow what a shocker! :P
mondragon078 1 year ago 2
@mondragon078 landraider all the way u get 2 landraiders for the cost of 1 baneblade so baneblade sux
kvarntobben 1 year ago
knarlocs from tau would beat all
MrEaglelover28 1 year ago
The Land Raider won the first round in this video because it had a def. bonus probably machine spirit. You can see a little blue square on it.
ttsmoke 1 year ago 4
@ttsmoke thats would be right.
mondragon078 1 year ago
@mondragon078 Wow nice video bro can u make all the commaders/Heroes fight each other please? btw i subed and rated
sniperbravo6 5 months ago
@ttsmoke You must not know how to read..........
memback01 1 year ago
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@ttsmoke You must not know how to read.
memback01 1 year ago
@ttsmoke yeah, it says that it has the machine spirit right in the beggining
necronlordify 6 months ago
i like the sound of Baneblade's main cannon. it really rocks.
rax7 1 year ago
at 0.30 i was sure who was going to win :S
viewer8D 1 year ago
Baneblade just scraped the second one.
smudgethekat 1 year ago
The Baneblade in real 40K is an apocalypse tank. it has 3 strength 9 weapons and 1 strength 10 weapon. The Hellbore cannon itself has a 72" range, putting it outside the Land Raider's maximum. It's a strength 9 ap3 10" ordinance blast template, which means it rolls 2D6 for armor penetration (take the highest). it has 2 lascannons, strength 9 ap 2 with a 48" range, and 1 demolisher cannon that's strength 10 ap 1 with a 24" range. It stands a good chance of taking down the LR quickly.
Alamandorious 1 year ago
@Alamandorious theres no inches in dawn of war! this isnt the table top, so stfu
gam3r117 1 year ago
@gam3r117
@gam3r117
Dude, I was offering an example of the real thing vs the Dawn of War version. If you look back through, there was talk about real 40K stuff. Look even on the page before this one, and they talked about the Land Raider Crusader only being able to kill armor 12 tanks...there's no armor 12 in DoW.
Before you tell someone to shut up, make sure you read everything that came before.
Alamandorious 1 year ago
@Alamandorious am going to be playing on tabletop however, i cant deside if i want to be IG or necons. btw am leaning towards necrons.
mondragon078 1 year ago
@mondragon078
Well, let me as you this: do you work, and do you make a decent amount of money? IG is VERY model intensive...they can field more than any army and only use 2 troops choices to do it. Thus, it makes them expensive.
Necrons not so much, but they have an outdated codex. They are, however, more economically feasible than IG in terms of real money
Either way, only buy 1 squad or 1 vehicle at a time, paint what you have, and only buy another squad/vehicle after your done.
Alamandorious 1 year ago
@Alamandorious dude, like i have time to look at all the comments, i appoligize for teling you to shut up only beacause you wer so cool about it (no name calling or wtv) :)
gam3r117 1 year ago
@Alamandorious
I looked at the stats for both and the Baneblade also has different rules regarding how damage it takes, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
dragonstormx 1 year ago
@dragonstormx
It is good; a baneblade can sustain more damage than a landraider, period. Not only does it have more weapons to get taken away, but its primary weapon has a chance of simply ignoring damage done to it. At the very least, it can lose its 3 structure points before dying, as opposed to the Landraider potentially dying to 1 hit,
Alamandorious 1 year ago
@Alamandorious
How exactly does the damage mechanic in the game work anyways? You roll a dice and if it's higher the target's armor they take damage?
dragonstormx 1 year ago
@dragonstormx
Every weapon has an AP value and a Strength, and may have a special rule. We'll go with a lascannon for this example; it's straight forward.
A lascannon has a strength of 9 and AP of 2. AP value has no bearing on vehicles unless it's AP 1. Vehicles have different armor values for facings...we'll say it hits the front armor of something, armor 13.
So,STR 9 + D6...if the strength plus the d6 is equal to the armor, it's a glancing hit. If it's higher, it's a penetrating hit.
Alamandorious 1 year ago
@Alamandorious
Okay, I get that. So it regardless of how much higher it is the armor, it doesn't inflict any extra damage, but does that effect anything on the critical damage table.
Something else I'm curious about are destroyer weapons. Do they just automatically score penetrating hits?
dragonstormx 1 year ago
@dragonstormx
No, only AP 1 weapons have an additional effect on the critical damage table (when referring to basic stats).
Destroyer or 'D' strength weapons bypass armor, and instantly kill non-vehicles, ie a force commander, unless said model is immune to instant death (in which case it takes D3 wounds). Luckily, they're only in apocalypse :)
D weapons are nasty, but they are of limited use: since they most commonly only hit 1 model at a time, squads or squadrons have an advantage.
Alamandorious 1 year ago
@Alamandorious
So a Shadow sword can't be used outside of Apocalypse? Either way, it would explain why the tactica I read on Super Heavies list it as being mostly an anti-armor.
So do destroyer weapons automatically destroy vehicles with no structure points or void shields?
dragonstormx 1 year ago
@dragonstormx
Correct on the shadow sword. No super-heavies can be used in the standard game, and shouldn't; there really isn't enough room for them. I tried once, and my poor baneblade got hammered so badly only its bolters and stubber could actually ever fire.
I don't know about the auto-destruction; I know non-vehicle models die instantly unless they're immune to instant death; I think that it's just auto penetration upon hit for vehicles, which is still very nasty.
Alamandorious 1 year ago
@Alamandorious
So would that mean it would instantly destroy a monstrous creature like an Avatar or a Greater Deamon?
What exactly determines the number of penetrating hits a vehicle can take? I have looked at datasheets on GW.com and found armor listings, but nothing on how many hits a vehicle can take before it dies. Earlier you implied a penetrating hit is a kill on most vehicles.
dragonstormx 1 year ago
@dragonstormx
If they aren't immune to instant death, correct.
As for the number of penetrating hits, super-heavies are the only vehicles that have a number of structure points to withstand damage with, and even then 1 shot has the potential to kill them (super heavies have their own damage table, and 6 is 'chain reaction', meaning multiple rolls).
Regular vehicles could die from one hit, or take several; weapons can be blown off, and the engine wrecked, or they may roll a 5 or 6 first try.
Alamandorious 1 year ago
@Alamandorious so then what about a nightbringer?
mondragon078 1 year ago
@mondragon078
In actual 40K, nightbringer isn't invulnerable, and doesn't spawn in from the necron lord. Damn hard to kill, yes, but not impossible. I forget how many wounds nightbringer has, but against a D weapon (if he's immune to instant death), he could potentially die to 1 shot, possibly 2.
I'll have a look at a necron codex this thursday and get back to you,
Alamandorious 1 year ago
lol... baneblade wins because i killed 2 land raiders in easy mode.... oh ofcourse
u did in hard yeh
haha
eestlane008 1 year ago
Nicht vergessen der Space marine Commander konnte nur gewinnen weil das eigentlich ein kommando-trupp ist mit psioniker und prediger hätten die den alleine mit fähigkeiten gebasht
DFFblack 1 year ago
Guard captain: "see? without your machine spirit hax your land raider is nothing"
Force commander: "sounds like heresy to me" *sends captain into planetary orbit with his force hammer*
ghostrj 1 year ago
the IG person aint shit without his little body guards
XX847 1 year ago
nikamungus, i'm not english, i'm french and i'm 14 so... my english is not perfect
CU
soniikeuh 1 year ago
the land raider is designed to smash into enemy lines delivering its cargo of troops then to follow up with support. the standard lr has las cannon for anti tank other variants are anti infantry specific.
apexfracture 1 year ago
put a landraider up against a shadowsword then see what happens, ill give it 1 shot and that landraider will be a smouldering wreck, i have done this it is fun :D
madmono1994 1 year ago
baneblad sucks as much as humans !! ELDARS POWAA
soniikeuh 1 year ago
@soniikeuh Its ELDAR. theres no S at the end of Eldar. Singular or Plural. You just demonstrated how retarded you are... and you play eldar. Probably gay too.
nikamungus 1 year ago
@nikamungus yeah. eldar are pretty gay. space marines reek of manlyness, but the guard are the strongest overall
SuperThatGame 1 year ago
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actually this is deceptive, baneblades are actually a fuck load bigger and are much much much deadlier
splashie777 1 year ago
actually this is deceptive, baneblades are actually a fuck load bigger and are much much much deadlier
splashie777 1 year ago
shude dun tow out 3 WKJR
redgreen09 1 year ago
The land raider is on fire the whole time
tanrio11 1 year ago
I tell you what, in the tabletop game a guy at point blank range with a melta is a serious threat to a Land Raider, as I found out when some chaos Termies did just that to me. :(
jboweruk 1 year ago
@jboweruk The tanks are uslus in the tabletop I'de rather just stick with a mass of units!!! (ork player if you didn't realise)
2013oug 1 year ago 2
the point of the machine spirit is to show that how old and venerable land raiders are. baneblades though greate will still get destroyed pretty easily the novels. land raiders on the other hand can be up to 11k years old...you do the math
TheMorrison1994 1 year ago
the reason why bane is so much more powerful than land raider in gameplay is that it has longer range, more sustained firepower, and it disrupts toops. Land raider despite being a good tank is obviously a tank best suited for anti tank rather than anti infantry
randomgraduate 1 year ago 16
@randomgraduate How about land raider crusader ? It cannot damage tanks but the armor of 12 and lower.
Muumituuba2 1 year ago
@Muumituuba2
In real 40K, the Crusader can have a multi-melta. This allows it to roll 2D6 plus the multi-melta's strength of 8 within 12 inches. It's also an AP1 weapon, which means it does something else to vehicles (I forget what exactly), so a Crusader CAN take down any tank in the game.
Alamandorious 1 year ago
@Alamandorious it adds 1 to the damage table to a maximum of 6
MiniwargamerPain 1 year ago
Who was the guy the Force Commander used as a golf ball?
dragonstormx 1 year ago 19
@dragonstormx Your mum
hahaimcallum 1 year ago
@dragonstormx imperial govenor of command squad
bloodraven256 7 months ago
@dragonstormx stern
MrRombert 6 months ago
to all who argue...
either of these beasts is complletely useless on its own and only shows actal strenght when combined with other units.
and OF COURSE the DoW isnt COMPLETELY accurate with the table top version ya dumb twats! It cannot be done to begin with!(without seriously crippling gameplay).
And for the record both are giants in their own right and anyone who actually plays the tabletop variant knows when they clash you never know which ones going to suffer first.
Dinkomon 2 years ago
hah love how the SM twats the Imp dude whilst he's jumping in the air:D
hornet1blue 2 years ago
Hahahahaha... Really cool the ending, Friend! Excellent!!!
ardesnudo 2 years ago
you guys just don't get it do you?
this game is not acurate to the real warhhamer 40k:
the land rider is (with with the monolith) the most armored veichle in the whole 40k game, it's armed with 4 las cannons and two heavy bolters.
the Baneblade has a lower armor rating, but its thougher to kill since its a super-heavy.
Also, the Baneblade is armed with two main guns: the main cannon and a demoliser cannon (both stronger than the las cannons) 6 heavy bolters and 2 las connons.
nescopahe 2 years ago
well actually the land raiders has 2 lascanons coz there twin linked and dont count as 4 but 2 twin linked las cannons and same goes for the heavy bloters
rockstrips 2 years ago
everyone knows that the baneblade wud win so just stop annoying everyong and it only has 2 twinlinked lascannons
max36912 2 years ago
what does super-heavy even means?!
illidanwashere772 1 year ago
exactly what it says on the tin, super heavy, basically around 7 or 8 times the weight of your average tank. Roughly I think it's 600 tonnes for a Baneblade if my memory serves me correctly.
jboweruk 1 year ago
no i mean what does it evenhave to do with resistance to enemy attack?! super heavy dosent means it has thick armor
illidanwashere772 1 year ago
@illidanwashere772
a Super heavy in game would normally only be used in Apocalypse games, in which case it gets structure points, which means it needs to be hit multiple times before it finally dies normally, unless you get one heckuva lucky dice roll, but normally I think it has around 3 Structure points, so where you would kill a normal tank once, you would have to kill this 3 times effectively, though there are others here may be able to correct me on that.
jboweruk 1 year ago
i remember reading 300 hundred tons
callmetoro 1 year ago
i believe you guys dont get it, Land Raiders are powerful and absolutly decimate troops.
However, the baneblade gets a range advantage and has more guns to deal with a land raider. The game is not accurate.
Also, i see land raiders destroyed by Leman Russes too. A baneblade is overkill. But the main guard advantage is the incredible range.
shokk17 2 years ago
bane blade wins cause its a giant fucking tank
land raider is just a giant troop transport ;[
but if you had the Shadow Sword it could probably one shot a land raider. Because its like a bane blade but with a long ranged hyper partical cannon thing.
Torrent671 2 years ago
land raider has 2 twin dual laser cannons, does maximum damage to vehicles and buildings but this is not very effective against infantry.
Jefneurotoxin 2 years ago
The shadowswords primary weapon is the volcano cannon which is capable of taking out a titan
walmartbrawlcam 2 years ago
nah
titans are huge , tanks could not even reach em
illidanwashere772 1 year ago
the shadow sword was built for the purpose of taking down chaos titans and ork stompas the cannon it has can easily reach and destroy titan class walkers
walmartbrawlcam 1 year ago
i want a rematch of force commander vs general the general wasn't fully upgraded! jk
caos1925 2 years ago
Both of them are evenly matched. The Baneblade got its two huge main weapons (and 9 other) and the Land Raider got less, but just as powerfull guns. Since both have same HP (10,000 i think) its Machine Spirit that decide what tank win.
jamohanleva 2 years ago
if the machine spirit would have not been active i tell you the land raider would have lost
manselNr1 2 years ago
lol man from the looks of it youre a SM player
TheCnidarians 2 years ago
The Land Raider even has the Machine Spirit ability, which is nice. Baneblade doesn't have that. They can transport terminators...Baneblade can't do that either.Their lascannons are longer-ranged and more powerful.
Agent1W 2 years ago
It's ridiculous to compare the Land Raider and Baneblade. Not only are they for completely different purposes (within killing the Emperor's enemies, of course), they don't even rely on the same attributes!
Consider the Land Raider - a gunship-transport, with anti-armor weapons and AV 14 all around.
Consider the Baneblade - purely a gunship, has weapons to decimate every single type of enemy it comes across, has three wounds and slightly less armor than a Land Raider.
Apples. Oranges.
rafis117 2 years ago
the outcome is not suprising, the IG arent supposed to fight the great defenders of humanity, the IG ways are to crush with vast numbers, other than surgical strikes that cripples and destroys most. For the Emperor! i play orks however
Erreul 2 years ago
you are wrong that battle was not relistic in a real 40k battle the baneblade would have pwnded the metal box i mean land Raider
Because the baneblade is an apocalspe tank and the metal box is a normal tank . by the way I play guard
Colenelnelson 2 years ago
that being true, the land raider is ment to be a armored hulk built to take out one thing, the baneblade was built to be the fray, haveing multiple targets, dont get me wrong, i love the gaurd as much as the next, but i do belive the land raider is better in 1vs1
Erreul 2 years ago
Ive got guard at the moment, the new exicutioner just kills everything. but im thinking of starting eldar
haznmitch 2 years ago
same what army do you play?
haznmitch 2 years ago
a land raider could pown if it got close, it could still use its lascannon while the bane couldent use hise massive cannon. because it has a mininum range.
EagleArk 2 years ago
me 2
spearoflife 2 years ago
do any of you acctually play the board game
shahe66 2 years ago
I do, mostly my own marine chapter, but I also have a pure Daemonhunter/Grey Knight army as well. Sometimes I ally them together for a real punch, but mostly I just play either.
I have several variations of the Land Raiders including a Prometheus that I custom built out of baneblade parts and a vindicator kit bashed with the LR base. It is super intimidating on the field when it runs along side my Inquisition Baneblade.
Good times! Your never too old to play, no matter what anyone says.
kingalbrect79 2 years ago
id say so, im only twelve and already starting to collenct ultamarines =)
shahe66 2 years ago
its always the young ones who thinks being a space marine is cool... you have much to learn about good armies
iPopcorn 2 years ago
its not that i think they are cool ( although i really like the models) i like the tactics,the fact vehicles are needed, and i ljike ahving small, elite armies, less management.plus, yeah they are kinda cool. i could, i would have gone ig but i got the assault on black reach, for the sake of saving money
shahe66 2 years ago
if you enjoy constant victory without getting bored, sure the space marines are for you
iPopcorn 2 years ago
exactly, space marines are just how i like to play.
shahe66 2 years ago
wow. consider this conversation over
iPopcorn 2 years ago
well, it is! so stop your bitching
shahe66 2 years ago
its cos the marines are a jack-of-all-trades. they can do anything, but can't really specialise in them to the extent of other forces. i know pple that have played them like IG and just rolled over the enemy.
smitty169 2 years ago
Yup, i play SWolves ^^
smitty169 2 years ago
machine spirit. damnation criusade copy (all thought it is a 40k comic.) A MACHINE SPIRIT IS a SPACE MERINE to damaged to live to preshes to die so there soul is in a machine in control of it.
Fozzy71 2 years ago
it would be awesome if every "Big guns" fought each other
stasik1997 2 years ago
lol 3:30 when the alexander goes to hit thule and thule smashes him in mid air !
sporedude114 2 years ago
I never realized how somewhat evenly matched the Land Raider and Baneblade are in Dawn of war; the Baneblade just about wins against it in a normal fight without machine Spirit.; that's amazing. What a difference Machine Spirit made in the 1st fight.
Damocles178 2 years ago
In the tabletop game the Land Raider probably wouldn't stand a chance unless the player was incredibly lucky or If the dice gods favor them :P Ah well I'm not going to compare them; since they are two different systems.
Damocles178 2 years ago
i saw a video where Machine spirit wasnt used and the baneblade had a few beginning hits and the land raider won anyway
stasik1997 2 years ago
Maybe, but it would still need to roll alot of sixes just to remove the baneblades structure points. It only takes one shot from the baneblade to kill an ultra.
DarklordAJY 2 years ago
You guys must not play the actual 40k game (with dice), 'cause there is no way a land raider could kill a baneblade like that! Land raider has 2 twin linked lascannons, and 1 twin linked heavy bolter. Baneblade has 2 lascannons, 3 twin linked heavy bolters, a demolisher cannon, and a baneblade cannon on top! not only that, but the baneblade has 4 structure points aswell, so really, it needs to be killed 4 times!! BANEBLADE kicks arse!!
DarklordAJY 2 years ago
A landraider terminus ulra totally could. it has nothing BUT lascannons.
Illisius 2 years ago
*clears throat* Sorry I dont know what Baneblade you are looking at but a Standard Patter Baneblade has 3 not 4 Structure Points. The Terminus Ultra has 3 TL LCannons and 2 Lcannons. SO it could kill a Baneblade, even when hitting front armor, however it would need to go first and kill it in one turn other wise the Autocannon and Main Cannon would destroy it in one hit.
052792Tm 2 years ago
bare in mind that a land raider is armour 14 and i thin k the baneblade is armour 13 on the rear. a heavy bolter wouldnt touch a landraider but the cannon and 2 lascannon would and ten u have to get a 5for glance and 6 penetrateing. but u gota c if you hit first so it could be tough. i have killed 1 baneblade with landraider it was a lucky round of shooting 2lascannon shots and multi melta shot (new rules alow a landraider to have multimelta) but i agree its hard
kaoticmachine 2 years ago
Then a SQUIGOTH COMES IN & KILLS EM ALL lol
MrZombieHunter1 2 years ago 2
and then A greater knarloc joins in :D
flapclap 2 years ago
NIGHTBRINGER FTW
jamster217 2 years ago
Bahz, gimme a nightbringer any day. Had a game against The Great Deceiver the other day, bastard tore me apart :/
Darthane 2 years ago 2
land raider has more antivehicle firepower while the baneblade has more balanced firepower and can take huge punishement.
i always spam curse of the machine spirits with my psykers on land raiders and predators and asap earthsaker round with my basilisks
Revan085 2 years ago
im gonna have to say go land raider
robbyroo81 2 years ago
i'd take a baneblade anyday in my army. its much more versitle. but against armor- the land raider is uber!
EWGFus3r 2 years ago
Baneblade is much better aginst infantry, land raider better on buildings and vehicles
davyjones800 2 years ago
Once I also had duel Land rider vs Baneblade and LandRider minimal won.
But Bane is better because can kill more enemies.
NaiIfaks 2 years ago
wow i thought the baneblade was tough man i was wrong
dicedestroy 2 years ago
Tank lost to the transporter... strange, even if it's heavy transporter O.o 2nd match... still rly bad, less than 500 hp :/
Entelarmer 2 years ago
he must have roled alot of 6's
diddyfisto 2 years ago 2
land raider pwnns!!
dinocha0s 2 years ago
Interesting video, 5 stars.
ArkonDrakk 2 years ago
grand
TenaciousD872 2 years ago
I know this has nothing to do with what happened, BUT I find it funny that a Land Raider has more Side and Rear armor then a Warhound or even Warlord Titan, lol.
GeneralSturnn 2 years ago