On War - Chasing Shining Path - 12 Jan 09 - Part 1

[rockinraul57]

IT ALL ABOUT THE COKE! MONEY & POWER THAT ALL!

[xcucho]

American´s noses in every dirty hole trying to set their power. Fortunately, my people from Perú know about it. ¡Hasta la victoria siempre!

[JimmyCos]

Indirectly the USA has the fault of this, the CIA helped a lot to build the dictatorship and the inequality of Peru. The shining path was born out of that scenary.

[s0673451]

agreed. i dont know much at all about the shining path but i do know a propaganda film when i see one.

[cultofmao]

Lot people making big comments here but there is a long history of US and US backed criminal acts in many countries. The point here is that this is clearly a Propaganda film even if their were a grain of truth it would be a drop in an ocean of US backed crimes.

[Atreides22222]

The Shining Path is actually a semi-religious paramilitary group made up of individuals with psionic abilities, such as telepathy and psychokinesis. That is the reason the Shining Path (though weakened) has never been totally defeated.

The Shining Path is currently planning to conquer the world, and they will, with the help pof their psychic abilities.

[GalacticVacuum]

Guzman dancing Zorbas 4:16

[miszflorcita]

they are the reason why i was in an orphanage in Ayacucho peru till i was 9 before i got adopted they should all fucking die!!!!

[miszflorcita]

They shot my dad in the head they are they reason why i am adopted i hate them!

[4756134]

IT'S NOT SHINING PATH, IT'S SHITTING PATH

[SomoshiphopRadio]

Who made this film ? Bill Oreily ?

[TheAntiV]

@SomoshiphopRadio

Someone with a brain.

[gonzilox]

Shininh Path kiled more than 70.000 and recruits children unnder the age of 6 to kill police , Is good to recruit inocent children?

[TheSTATH]

the shining path didin't kill 70.000 people .Sure they had their share of killing but the army of Peru killed peasents as well because they were helping the shining path. So did coke dealers too. It was a small scale civil war (if you can say that) and brutallities occured from all sides. Saying that only one side did the killings is a lie BIG lie and pure propaganda.

And US is there to build and only build.?!!!! Since when does US goverment helps other countries with nothing in return?

[andresbrain]

@TheSTATH You are wrong, I'm peruvian and they are guilty of all the kills because they started the civil war just because they didn't wnat to accept the majority's desicion of not following comunism, and because of that period saying the word "comunism" in Perú is considered to be an insult or bad words.

[TheSTATH]

@andresbrain I can't disaggre with you cause im not from Peru and my comment was made not for who started the war and why but what happend .Resently i came accros a book written by Santiago Roncagliolo by the title "La cuarta espada" and in there he mentions that law forces and the army had their share of killing too.

[tonilourdes]

100 % tru, this is only american/rigth wing propaganda and people who can watch this and belive its a balanced documentary must be very stupid...

[HearingEveryRhyme]

coca leaves are great, whenever I go to Peru I always chew them.

[mizzoulibertarian]

@HearingEveryRhyme how does it compare to snorting coke?

[HearingEveryRhyme]

@mizzoulibertarian I've never snorted coke, but my friends say coca leaves are totally different. They are a stimulant, but it is sort of like coffee x3. It helps with altitude sickness, pain, gives a buzz, increases mental awareness, etc.

[bapyou]

This isn't journalism. It's ass-kissing the Peruvian government and military. That's what it is. Nothing more.

[bapyou]

Americans are great at spewing the euphemistic bullshit like the C.O. here: "We're just out here building schools." Bwahahahahaha! Give us all a break, Captain.

My favorite quote of the past few years was Ecuadorian President Rafael Corea's statement concerning the lease renewal for the U.S. base in Ecuador: "You can have your base here in Ecuador, if we can have a base outside of Miami."

Way to go Rafael! Put those Yankee bastards in their place.

[mizzoulibertarian]

@bapyou if they put a base outside of miami there would be a lot dead Ecuadorians. the american population is armed.

[bapyou]

@mizzoulibertarian "if they put a base outside of miami there would be a lot dead Ecuadorians."

Good of you to admit that the United States government operates at all times in every situation with double standards: One for itself and one for the rest of the world. All hail the empire. We will stomp you if you do not hail the empire. Also note that, since WW2, the United States only attacks 3rd world nations with 3rd rate armies. Give me your best arrogant reply.

[HighDrummer1]

How frustrated does this video make you feel?

[cultofmao]

Seems like an American style Propaganda movie. Imperialism is a global problem, a creeping Facism.

Who filled the mass graves?, many countries are finding them and its much more often American backed forces doing the killing. Revolution is not a dinner party, not an essay, nor a painting, nor a piece of embroidery; it cannot be advanced softly, gradually, carefully, considerately, respectfully, politely, plainly and modestly. Mao Tse-Tung"

[inferno0020]

"A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another"

haha another redtard who believes that your red buddies never killed anyone. Who is Pol Pot?

Mao is not a pussy like you; at least he knew how to fight a war (better than Che who has never won any war by himself, or Allende who )

If you want to play a guerrilla, join FARC and shoot some Colombians. Don't be a pussy!

[cultofmao]

Typical Yankee shit!, blah blah blah, hell you people must be programmed and mass produced in factories.

Funny guy your own country is getting well beaten by the Muslims now, and many times Communists beat you.

Pol pot, sure i heard of him not a nice guy for sure, but what about the couple of million Native Americans you yankees wiped out not to mention THE ATOMIC BOMB!, or AGENT ORANGE!, or the other crimes such as the couple of million Philippinos you massacred. Go look at your own crimes.

[CrocodilusPontifex]

It's hilarious that you think this video is "American Propaganda," when it was made by Al Jazeera, an ARAB TV network.

Fucking idiot.

[mizzoulibertarian]

@cultofmao American style propaganda movie from Aljazeera? start thinking. and how much "revolution have you been involved in? i smell a talker.

[andresbrain]

@cultofmao I am peruvian and comunism is worst piece of shit that could posibly happen here, The war started becuase they didn't just wanted to accept the majorirty decision of not following comunism, so they started a war, Nowadays a person who belongs to ONGs or comunism are considred terrorists, it would never happen that's why we all hate chavez because we prefer capitalism, and if the majority want capitalism why should we care about what you think it's better for us?

[TheAntiV]

@cultofmao

Wow. You're an idiot.

[ZombieTom]

@cultofmao I lived for 3 months in Peru in the middle of the sacred valley. The people I lived near, we were told stories by them about the violence and destruction caused by the shining path. I met a man who his daughter was beheaded because he wouldn't comply with them.

The shining path aren't the answer, they're monsters.

[MrStalinsghost]

@ZombieTom As someone commited to social change, and socialism, I can say I totally agree. Revolutionary change is rarely bloodless, but the crimes the SL commited were utterly barbaric.

[therebelwaltz]

@cultofmao A documentary which shows that the Americans were greeted with a general strike, and "Yanqis Go Home" fliers, seems like an "American propaganda movie" to you? Did you even watch the video?

[lauxsd123]

@cultofmao

Guzman was a mass murdering sociopath.

[jamoss11]

@cultofmao From your comments, I can only imagine you live a wonderful life in the socialist paradise that is China?

[PercyMcQueen11]

@cultofmao you seem like a brainwashed psychopath bro

[abtazz12]

I agree with this documentary. Shining Path's motivations are differen now. 20 years ago, they fighted and killed because of the "people" and shit like that. Now is different. Think like a SP terrorist: "My leader is captured and won't get out of jail in a lot of time, I'm being chased by the army, so what I'm going to do? Alliate with the most powerfull narcos (F.A.R.C), get big amount of money with the cocaine and get the fuck out of this country!!! They have changed. Now they are mobsters.

[virtualhippie19]

This is so biased.

[albanypjm]

long live shining path, long live marx and the working people.

[ShutTheFuckUp0809]

General gonzalo

[TheAntiV]

@albanypjm

You're kidding right?

[rommelsbrother]

La pelicula de la Pantera Rosa es bien chistosa. A mi no me gusta french fries.

[PoetaVSR]

who gives a shit?? this documentary is about the shining path in peru, stay in topic

[crabsbarc]

it was the cheesy stank ass americans and some communists...

it's pretty comical that a nationalistic american would be telling a frenchman to get an education. maybe you should crack a book and see just how far your educational institutions have fallen.

[iriesoldjahs]

Hmm..Public Education is far from perfect but....last i heard we have18 or 19 of the top 20 universities in the world.

[Havayosunu]

wow that s a success!

[jeanpaulfelix]

one-sided conservative bullshit.

Oh my God, the godless commies , oh GOD.

Simple fact of truth:

US and its lackeys are the single greatest obstacle in the freedom of humanity.

American corporations out of Peru. Profiteering scum....

[iriesoldjahs]

I live in Peru.. You dont know what youre talking about. If you knew anything about multinational's operating in peru. You would know the saga of the Anacocha Gold mine in Cajamarca. In which a French and American Company both bribed the goverment of Fujimori. What about Siemens and BAE. Two European Companies that took part in large scale bribing and corruption of foreign goverments? What about Belgium goverment that took part in the overthrow of Congo to gain Cosiderite Concessions?

[iriesoldjahs]

The U.S. has the harshest laws against foreign bribery and corruption for those same Multinationals ... Much harsher than any Western European Country..Im not saying the U.S. is perfect. We have many problems. But this holier than thou thing some people pull is really disingeneous.

[iriesoldjahs]

So profits which provide more jobs, larger tax revenues to fund schools, hosptials and social programs are a bad thing?.Hint the next time you use the word profiteering, Its doesnt mean much unless you add a descriptive world like...War profiteering..

[Havayosunu]

yeah USA always talks about freedom; but they also always take away other countries' freedom >=/

[xestevanx]

$17 billion of federal money is directly spend each year to control drugs.But the actual cost of the drug war is $50 billion, which is equal to the USA combined budgets for all of our country's agriculture, energy, and veteran's programs. I'm sick and tired of people killing each other over this damn drugs. This is the same fricking thing that happend during prohibition, legalize the fricking drugs, charge company tax for selling them and give DDWI's when caught Driving Druged Under Influence.

[prosiakowska]

AlJazeera - my only news source. Very well-done report!

[micahgee]

the Journalism, Detail and Perspective is Unparalleled =)

AlJazeera is my main news source as well.

They produce such graphic, unfiltered documentaries.

Saving Sowarto is such a moving show! The reality of the Journalism is breathtaking.

[Havayosunu]

I think people must seek original ways of living better. I mean, despite following a foreigner ideology, they gotta find the way that syncs with people and culture of that nation. yeah, sorry but communism or socialism or marxism -whatever you choose among those- is made by Europeans, who also made capitalism.

I really don't see a difference between oppressing by corporates or/and religion and oppressing by red flags. Both are imperialist methods to me.

[iriesoldjahs]

Communism is not European. Its Asian. The difference between opression by a goverment and opression by a religion or an immoral corporation...Is this goverment power is unchecked ; their opression is virtually limtless. Opression produced by religous institutions or immoral corporations has to operate under systems of laws. .

[Havayosunu]

if you mean Red China, well, I thought Mao was influenced from Europeans as well, and he made this "culture" revolution, banned freedom of culture, religion and thought.

But if you mean something else please enlighten me :)

[iriesoldjahs]

All i meant was Russia is located in Asia...

[Havayosunu]

well Russia applied communism; but Germanian Marx found it as I know :)

[DMPineau]

Russia straddles Europe and Asia, look at a map why don't you? Culturally Russians have more in common with Greek influenced Eastern Europe than Asia. And FYI Communism as an idea really came into being in Western Europe and specifically England and France.

[iriesoldjahs]

Communism was implemented in RUSSIA...Before that it was just an abstraction , A geographically and politically scattered ideology. Hence The name Lenin dawned== The Father of Communism. . 2. Maybe you missed third grade but Russia is in ASIA.. Siempre esos carajos me molestan por youtube...Jodidos...No tiene nada mejor para hacer...3 Get some friends and split hairs with someone who cares.

[DMPineau]

Asia is east of the Urals dickhead.

[iriesoldjahs]

Haha real mature..So 95 percent of Russia is in Asia.. Like I said---Get some friends and split hairs with someone who cares...

[anteracmacash]

95%...wow...you rely did sleap threw geography...it's more like 60:40...

if this is "hardley worth your time" the why are you making a fool out of your self in front of everyone by writing dumb shit like that, since this is just a waste of time for you ???

[iriesoldjahs]

Relative Location Positioned in northern Asia, Russia is in both the northern and eastern hemispheres. The country is dissected by the Arctic Circle, and also separated into two recognized landmasses by the Ural Mountains; its land west of those mountains is referred to as European Russia, and includes the capital city of Moscow. Rely and sleap threw geography. Learn how to spell before you insult someone else. Have a nice day.

[anteracmacash]

"The Russian Federation stretches across a large extent of northern Eurasia, comprising much of eastern Europe and northern Asia.[10] Due to its size, Russia displays both monotony and diversity."

see...your not the only one that can copy paste from Wikipedia...and about the typo's...unlyke you I wasn't born in the U.S. so english is not my language...I would like to see you write in Croatian...

[anteracmacash]

"go argue with someone who cares."??? how about GO FIND SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR ASIAN COMMUNISM THEORY...SO STOP PROVOCATING DUDE AND GET A FUCKING LIFE...

[anteracmacash]

the ide of communism was formed around Moscow so in europe, not asia...Just because the asians are still practising it dosent mean that they invented it...

[o10ciano]

fuck corporate media, CNN, FOX, ABC, MNBC fuck them

[jeanpaulfelix]

true there

[tmprogram]

I HOPE SHINING PATH WINS!!

[ultranom]

I'm left leaning too and I even supported Ralph Nader when I lived in the States but come on you have to learn more about the shining path before you say something like that.

[tmprogram]

see what the with them is is that theyre communist. and communism is pure fuckin evil. but the peruvian government did far worse things. i mean atleast the mexican government is controlled by corrupt mestizos but peru is by germans or something

[jeanpaulfelix]

tmpr, you sound like a mart person!!

But communism is evil?? Why say that??

[tmprogram]

because its slavery but it appeals to poor people but its still evil

[goankingsyaditya]

nepal succeeded in maoist democratic overthrow why not sc america? the us thats why. I feel sorry for the poor citizen and wish the rich fat pigs get their just desserts.

[eduardomanfut]

The Path of the Chosen to the Fantasy Land, and like a mad dog started eaten its own brothers, Jacob was so high in Dope that He thought was an angel before His eyes and the legend of Israel nation started it, can you follow me that is the story..

[radiocontrol666]

Voices,Voices,Voices, the war is over Voices. Class Antoagonism is structured though Voices, Voices,Voices. It comes from Television Sattelite Dishes and Antennas. They should NUKE local brodcasts. Can you believe it's that SIMPLE? Voices,Voices,Voices.

[hlRsiempre]

Nost or all that is said is perfectly true , but it is compeltely onesided. The government sendera started to fight, long ago with guzman, it was infamous and brutal , their ways to counter sendera were infamous and brutal.

[McCainTheTurdburglar]

Wow, I have to say, Al Jazeera is a million times more relevant than CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and any other US news organization. When is the last time you saw a report like this on a US network? Those people who believed the lies about Al Jazeera need to give it another chance. It's news for people with a brain.

[Franco187]

Also, I'm no expert on Peru, but the reference at the beginning to Peruvian "self-defense forces" seems to me very suspicious. In Colombia, these so-called "self-defense forces" are state-sponsored paramilitary groups responsible for the large majority of political killings.

[Franco187]

Sendoro Luminoso is responsible for horrible crimes, no doubt, but you are absolutly right to point out how dishonest it is to attribute all 70000 deaths to them.

"Shining Path", Wikipedia:

"A statistical analysis of the available data led the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to estimate that the Shining Path was responsible for the death or disappearance of 31,331 people, 46% of the total deaths and disappearances"

[OrphanPaper]

you'd think the thoughtless yank would cover this blokes face as protection for him

[see8no8evil]

this is the only way anybody can help the children of Palestine is to curse the israeli children to die in cancer, aids and anything that will kill them in pain.You cant help by just commenting bullshit with respect. wish cancer on jew kids thats how you help the dead children of Palestine. the jew dont care unless you kill there children.

[mfitzp]

lmfao at 10:17

[McCainTheTurdburglar]

Yeah, that looked like some Monty Python type shit. Ridiculous.

[Icix1]

The war should be on drug consumption, not the producers. The real problem is America's drug habit and the illegality of the drugs we use. We finance so much death and terrorism with our drug habit it makes me sick. Either stop doing drugs or legalize them, because all we're doing is putting tons of money into the pockets of criminals and butchers.

[ultranom]

Drugs are not always bad for the development of humans. I recommend you read 'The doors of perception' by Aldous Huxley among a vast bibliography on the topic. I agree with you though in that drugs should be legalized.

[911morontwoofer]

Whitiney Houston agrees with you!

"Crack is whack"!

[AntiVenomFangX]

barbarism

[wcarlpdrysdale]

you cant " war on drugs" any more than you can "war on rocks"

It's a war on small drug manufacturers, waged by big drug manufacturers!

[vaudree]

Well said!

Strange that the US goes after Marc Emery (the Prince of Pot) and yet does nothing about Crystal Meth. Pot is in direct competition with big pharma's anti-anxiety and pain relief drugs - whereas those who take Crystal meth are so damaged that they will probably need the help of big pharma for the rest of their lives. Not that I care for Pot or promote its use - though if it was a choice between that and prosaic ...

[Icix1]

Well, they DO go after crystal meth, it's just that the extreme nature of the drug and bad stigma keeps most people involved hush hush. Pot is used by a fair number of Americans so it's easier to find the prince of pot, rather than the prince of meth. The prince of pot has a website, name and address, the prince of meth boils his product in a trailer home in texas. Tackling the prince of pot gives a stronger message to the common person, as opposed to the .0001% of the population that uses meth

[mratomix]

I think you are right in that going after the "prince of pot" sends a stronger message to people but the feds and narcs who take down the pot growers are doing so to fill archaic quotas and serve backwards thinking conservative agendas. Going after meth is much more serious and warranted than going after pot. Meth kills hundreds of thousands and ruins the lives of all who use it. Pot should be legalized and taxed because this country is broke as fuck.

[DaniDivine2000]

Wow that was really interesting..

[TehHandyman]

Cool Cool