In regards to the waiting times, have there ever been empirical evidence showing that waiting time have been more “socialist” countries are significantly longer than those in more “capitalist” countries. It seems to me that these are just prima facie assertions be made in regards to the waiting times without any empirical evidence being providing to back/prove the assertion.
@RaccooNooB No it wouldn't, it'd simply become CHEAPER, and better quality. I mean why does EVERYONE look at fucking healthcare? Why don't people worry about cellphones or labtops? Almost EVERYONE is on the internet or on their phone these days because that's how cheap they are! They've been MADE cheap AND good quality because there's competition!
But no, people are moralist idiots who think that we can't make healthcare a marketable good.
@AdamDLDixon 1) Libertarian anarchists advocate not merely an absence of government, but institutional alternatives to government. To use Somalia as an example against libertarian anarchism, you need to show those alternatives have been tried and found wanting. You haven't. 2) Somalia is not exactly the same as Sweden except for a difference in "amount of government." 3) Research suggests Somalia has done better without government than with it; see bit [dot] ly / 1ErvUe and bit [dot] ly / 2GqptY
@AdamDLDixon 4) Not all libertarians are anarchists. Most, including I suspect the producers of this video, advocate smaller government, but still think there should be some government. Such libertarians believe government has a place in society, but think that government as it exists today needs to be put in its place. Somalia is not, in any respect, what they are advocating.
@rghanneken Sweden now > Sweden before social democratic party. Would you want to risk it being one of the richest and nicest places to live, just for ideology?
@AdamDLDixon Sweden now > Sweden before my birth. Am I the cause of Swedish progress? I would not say Swedes should dispense with a system that works to satisfy the demands of my ideology. I'm saying that which policies have been beneficial, and which detrimental, is a question for research, analysis, discussion, and reasonable disagreement. It cannot be settled by crude comparisons and post hoc arguments. (Also, you can't assume the SAP has always enacted democratic socialist policies.)
Please, PLEASE, eliminate the welfare state in Sweden. Cut taxes, deregulate, and let the free market work. They're already starting, and they need to keep doing it; we need a last stand in the West because the US and EU are going to shit with socialism.
I don't think you should go as far as Sovjet russia did but still neather as far as US have taken their liberalism. I think you should balance it a bit more towards communism and let the goverment have a degree of influance on our daily lives like in Sweden.
And as long as people and governments think that way, the Western world will continue to stagnate, people's living standards will continue to decrease, while Hong Kong, Singapore, and China (or at least the free market zones there) will continue to outperform us.
Everyone in America is fleeing to Texas right now because it's the last remaining safe haven for a free marketin this country. That should be a sign.
It's really funny when he says this is "free", that is "free", when the fact is that it's NOT free, the money has been STOLEN from other productive people in the economy, this money if left in the hands of those who've EARNED by producing goods/services would be used way more efficiently than govt, politicians & bureaucrats who've every reason to take some of it as well as not use it as efficiently as it could be since it's not their own money
So, I'm a swedish millionaire, I get taxed 55% and I get 85% of all I pay back from the Government back in services? So a millionaire that is just healthy a middle class man will pay more in health services than that said middle class man. Still sounds like wealth redistribution to me. On a free market, I get 100% what I pay for, not a government controlled
85%. Sweden might have the most efficient government ever, but 85% return rate is still a lousy investment return...
the author's book seems to have no english translation. are there any other useful works on the theme that could shed some light on swedish economy's matters in comparison with the rest of the developed world?
Sweden doesn't fight imperial wars, so I'm guessing they are not bleeding their public tax dollars in quite the same way as the US. This guy cautions the US from "learning the wrong lessons from Sweden," and mistakenly enlarging its public sector. Is the military industrial complex NO "public sector?" The contractors we pay are "private," but all of their pay is "public." without the MIC, the US could certainly "enlarge its public sector" to expand services that meet human needs. No problem.
All you idiots who are soo against capitalism. Why won't you just move to another country? How about you go to China, Russia or maybe you can go to your beloved North Korea.
@gasto5 Government bailing out banks, bailing out corporations are not capitalism. I don't know where you're seeing the capitalism?.. Sweden was built on capitalism, had 100 of years of economic growth, the highest economical growth in the world togheter with Japan.
Before Sweden got capitalism, Sweden were one of the poorest countries in europe, it's thanks to capitalism that Sweden is were it's at right now.
The economy has gone down since the 1970's.. And will keep on doing so.
@trapedd You are talking about econimic bullshit. Go investigate suicide rates, precisely in Sweeden and Japan, and still tell me with a straight face how great capitalism is.
@StateExempt Well, good for you. Probably a bad investigation. Suicide is like murder: just the other way around, when a person is depriived of resources or social circles, the individual has two ways of venting, outward or inward(or something in between). Suicide is directly related to economical problems, not necessarily poverty, but rather disparity and injustice perception. And what better system to propagate and perpetuate than the "free" Austrian economics market system.
@gasto5 Weighing the possibility that someone might kill themselves because they "perceive" the "injustices" of someone else having more than them against having a state do whatever it is you're alluding to prevent this from happening makes me oddly apathetic toward suicide.
@gasto5 It's hardly surprising that people will stop caring about your life when your argument becomes a form of "I'm going to kill myself unless I get my way and have the state oppress you."
@casualdissent And your alternative is letting business men oppress you, you may have some business man in a suite fetish, but come on, at least politicians are funny. Or how about none?
It's a businessman who can force you to buy what they're peddling.
Nothing more, nothing less."
Wonderfully put.
People are so indoctrinated to separate between pvt & public sector but the fact is that BOTH are run by SELF-INTERESTED individuals so giving govt the power to "legally" ROB & FORCE only gets abused to serve the interests of those who bribe govt; pvt sector at least has no "legal" authority to rob & force like govt does.
"And your alternative is letting business men oppress you"
No, the point is BOTH sectors, pvt or govt are going to oppress so why give either one a "legal" authority to oppress? And at the end of the day, oppressive businesses use GOVT'S POWER to oppress so it's pointless. The problem is people's naivety in conceding power to govt (with help from govt-education & massmedia, of course) in the VAIN HOPE for security & freeloading at the expense of others.
"And your alternative is letting business men oppress you"
No, the point is BOTH sectors, pvt or govt are going to oppress so why give either one a "legal" authority to oppress? And at the end of the day, oppressive businesses use GOVT'S POWER to oppress so it's pointless. The problem is people's naivety in conceding power to govt (with help from govt-education & massmedia, of course) in the VAIN HOPE for security & freeloading at the expense of others.
@StateExempt Yes, the world is an Austrian-based economy. Business men run the world, and politicians are their allies. Exceptions are rare: Germany an Japan are excellent examples of solid, low-corruption governance states.
@gasto5 - I find it hard to believe someone could be so deluded into thinking we have a free world economy with no government intervention (which is largely what Austrian Economists argue for), but after seeing that you buy into the glib notions of a "resource-based" economy and other Zeitgeist musings, I guess I have little reason to be surprised.
@StateExempt I don't assist secret meetings with the Bilderberg group nor other high profile business men gatherings, nor do I assist the ONU meetings. But from the reliable sources I read on the internet(mainly non-mainstream), money moves the world. And high quantity money possessors make the majority of decisions, politicians just approve laws to help them out. Admittedly Austrian school of economics solves some monopoly problems, but the disparity is still there.
@gasto5 - Fiat currency manipulates the world, and that is one prominent reason why it was highly uninformed of you to claim that the world operates on the principles of the Austrian school.
@StateExempt Don't you think that the guy from this video knows nothing about capitalism? I mean, how can a society with up to 60% taxes to be capitalist? Or with "free" healthcare? Or that "the individuals have an incentive to pay taxes for the state"? I mean, then why force them???
"Don't you think that the guy from this video knows nothing about capitalism?"
It's been fashionable to refer to socialism-corporatism as "capitalism" for a long time so....
But the point he's trying to make is that it was capitalism in 19th & early 20th century that raised Sweden & then started going down with socialism then capitalist measures were re-introduced to get it back up again....you know like we say it's capitalist measures in China & India that've improved them
@tjtomkins Yes very good point, we have NOT had capitalism in the past few decades, far from it. We've had corporatism. And Michael Moore's bullshit video is very deceptive; it should be called CORPORATISM: a love story.
@StateExempt The market is still backed by products and services. It's not a gold standard, but people can, for example, pollute a river in Africa and another company sell the affected population bottled water. Isn't that what you would call "free market"?
@StateExempt "No, that is destroying someone else's property. " |· And it is also "free market" as there would be no one to regulate the pollution negligently executed by such firms.
@gasto5 It was capitalists, (austrian economists) that predicted the financial collapse, but nobody wanted to listen to them.. Yeah blame capitalism..
@fenix144 No Canada is not like US in many respects but there is minimum wage here.
Which is a bad thing, also a LOT of jobs are part time jobs, which makes it hard for people to live on their incomes.
Also there is a lot of poor families, even something like 25% of the children in Canada at one point or another has some financial problems through their families.
Hence the TON of thrift stores and soup kitchens and donations.
NOT needed in Sweden, except for REAL homeless people.
@Swecan76 Sorry 1 in 10 kids live in poverty in Canada, not 25%.
But I think it is 25% that one time or another had to go to soup kitchen with parents cause they had financial problems for a short while.
This was a shock too me when I came to Canada, I thought it was rich (which technically it is), yet it follows the USA model when it comes to salaries and such.
80% of all jobs in my smaller town about 30-40,000 is PART TIME jobs, that is fucking nuts.
In 20 years, Sweden will be so rich we will have to invade Germany - again.
Not only out of superiority, but because certain people can't take care of themselves.
By today, Europe at large does not wish to develop. It has accepted failure and stagnation.
It is in desperate need of radical changes and therefore, the New Swedish Model has to be recognized. Even more Socialism will not restore economic growth on European, Japanese or American soil. Face reality.
I like it, it gives an equal edge to poor people. However, corruption can infiltrate the central taxing and distribution government. I think there should be competing taxing and tax distribution entities as well.
The more I learn of economics and the lessons of history, the more I realize that countries can do nothing worse than to follow Leftists over yet another cliff of socialistic totalitarianism. I'm glad to see Sweden doing well since embracing free market capitalism, lower taxes, and deregulation, just as I'm sad to see my own country losing both prosperity and personal liberties by following the Obamunists in the opposite direction.
That is why there is an upcoming new classical liberal party.
Goverment is in the pocket of big corporations.
We also don't have much of a constitution compared to the US.
The only reasons that we've managed to survive is our (now, unfortunately pretty much state enforced) rapidly declining tollerance of other cultures, our easily cheated tax system and the fact that most of us actually work hard and care for the unfortunate.
Because they are socialists. They fight against capitalistic "greed" and that is why they need to steal all your money through high taxes so they can decide themselves how to use the money to make their own personal socialist dreams come through. This is the irony of socialism.
Why isn't he talking about the decline of real value for the people in the country? The railroad transportation is outdated and does not work because of the economic growth, for example. The gov. is making more people poor and taking away their healthcare, because no GDP generation.
Humans, please...wake up! Money ≠ real value. Capitalism, socialism, communism, anarchism = Monetarism and market system. The money and market system does not work and is making more humans suffer each day.
@Noxictyz friend you have made one of the most logical comment on this video.Many of the people that worship the free market system fail to remember that the system only objective is to make at any cost ! I use to have respect for European intelligences not to fall for this kind of propaganda !!!
What a goon. His theory that Ikea and Volvo single handedly saved Sweden is hilariously awesome. I noticed he didn't mention the giant god damned housing bubble that grew as taxes went down, resulting in massive unemployment, significant loss in the economy, huge drop in income levels, and was only rectified once the government inserted itself into the market. He also doesn't mention Sweden's income level decline as taxes lowered.
I love the last line: "America could increase taxes up to sweedish levels but it would get spent in the American public sector and I would not advise that"
Americans are thick as shit, Michael Moore makes capitalism to be some big scary boogieman but the simple fact is he profits from it! Michael Moore is a capitalist.
Sweden is moving towards more Free Market capitalism because they are learning the limits of Democratic Socialism. And what the Welfare State can do for people.
We got a great system here, we do have a free market, but even though he says we have deregulated a lot, we still have a lot of regulation specialy towards how they can treat employer's, It's important to keep the welfare up.. imigration is not helping with that by the way. the tax for corporations is still high and it's important not to lower it so much that we run out of money to support the country's welfare structure, we are doing a good job i feel. i enjoy paying taxes, i feel safe'n'happy
@madass888 It's basically a method for the government to control employers vs employees. By each year, the tax department has calculated that everyone has paid a just tax of their income. If anyone's paid more in tax than necessary due to less income over a year they will be given a refund. If anyone gets claimed on taxmoney it could be as due to additional income when selling houseproperty.
@madass888 if you have a very low income and pay no tax most people still wouldnt save any of that for the future. the government will force you to save money regardless of how low income you have. this will ensure you to have a home and food every day even when you can no longer work. this also keeps the lowest income quite high, as no employer can get away with paying a salary that you cant survive on (after income tax). USA use the same system, sweden only takes away more, and give more back
hmm.. but the government can not create wealth, it can only redistribute it and while doing it it takes a piece for itself. So the citizens will always have a net lost on a government program. But I do think a small government in absolute size will be more efficient and easier to control than a big one. I think that's the reason why the swedish system seem to work well, but it will be impossible to implement it in the US. And I'm afraid the EU will become like the US.
@madass888 that is not entirely true. the Swedish government own several successful companies. but they have now realized that they can be even more successful on there own. so many of them are sold. so they can create wealth, but that is not what the government is there to do, so they shouldn't.
We gives away 2% of the BNP to other countrys every year, we have 100.000 immigrants every year, wich coast's alot, every immigrant costs 700.000 kr, or 100.000 us dollar per year in 8 years to the swedish tax payers.
@Larzz0n its a lot cheaper to import "ready to work" immigrants then to pay for childcare and 12-20 years education. especially since most of them grow up to be ignorant and ungrateful WT anyway.
Universal Healthcare can work, but you need extensive price controls. In capitalists systems these are set by the equilibrium points of the supply and demand curves. If you really wanted to change american healthcare, you need to reintroduce price incentives for consumers, so that insurance companies get the best deal. Because face it, right now, you'll just go anywhere that accepts your insurance, and you have no idea how much the procedure actually costs.
Anybody here actually live in sweden? Like can attest or be interviewed? I was planning a trip to research Europe and its comparison to USA. Let me know thanks if you can be interviewed.
@Gades117 I'm Swedish. If you want an interview then sure. However I don't have any higher education, but i'm quite well educated for being 19 years old. mail me if you want, nils.lunneryd@gmail.com
This guy is just a silly academic with no real life experience! It's both time consuming and fairly expensive to undergo medical treatment due to long waiting list times. I'm very dubious about the fair tax rate for the poor vs rich he's telling, many live by a everyday margin and can't even afford unemployment benefits. The pension system has become privatized to feed super capitalist prospects on the stock market.
I live in sweden and i cannot in any possible way imagine how it would be without free health care. I also do not understand why capitalism is so good.
Whats wrong with having a security net which catches people who fall?
We earn less, but as previously stated we earn it back if we would for example hurt ourselves. Socialism creates a more even chance for EVERYONE, deal with it.
@anting004 State run socialism is not good at all. If you didn't have state run health care, taxes would be much lower, enabling you to afford a private health insurance, which would work much better as explained in this video.
private health care insurance is all good for those who can afford it. But for those who never will be able to, just like those in America who cant afford it, there must be a solution. Also theres a big problem with what is actually covered by it. How much more would i have to pay if I for example have a inherited disease?Sweden is in economy very capitalistic, but in culture, very socialistic. dying because they cant afford something would NEVER be acceptable here, and shouldnt be anywhere
@anting004 the "security net" is too often a trap which ensnares people, stopping them from climbing back out of poverty. If you desire the existence of a security net, you should volunteer your own money to such a charitable cause, but you have no moral right to force others to pay for something YOU desire.
Socialism has killed hundreds of millions. Did Mao's victims have a "more even chance" when he stole their livelihood and left them to starve? Socialism is a crime, deal with it.
Government holds your money for a few years and then gives it back to you? That sounds like a classic unnecessary government service. We have banks and mattresses to hold our money, or gold bars.
Sounds like their health system is not so good, but then I hear the same from all over Europe. Good thing they take care of their health.
@XCritonX Banks can collapse, as we have seen throughout the GFC, where is your moeny then? But he said tax is held then is given to the individual through negative tax rates, while banks can just hold on to your everyday money. It's not rocket science.
@Vinetia Your money in the bank is insured. Countries and currencies can collapse, who will pay you your social security then? And will it be worth anything? You will only get some of what you give back.
If you keep all of your money in the bank you are not a very smart investor. Chile has privatized social security. Chileans now have the most secure social security system in the world and the get a real rate of return on their investment of around 7%. They get more than what they gave back.
@XCritonX Yeah ok. But if they get more than what they pay the social security firm, wouldn't that amount to a negative balance sheet, wouldn't that be making a loss. The Chiliean Dictator Pinochet didn't think that one through, besides putting your retirement savings in the hands of private account companies who are listed on the stock market is a bad idea. if indivuduals get more back than they put in, then how is the company making money? Perhaps the bank has to bail them out, lol.
@Vinetia You obviously do not understand how free markets and money management work. The money that Chileans put into the private social security is invested in various types of projects. Some are highly successful, others not so much. The wealth grows and the investors get to keep a part of that as their reward for lending their money.
Believe it or not, wealth can be created. The YouTube video at watch?v=bFxvy9XyUtg explains wealth growth and free markets very nicely.
Sweden actually has less trading regulations than the US. due to the fact they are a small country. They have no choice. they are more economically liberal than the USA. So the whole Swedish socialism thing to me is crap. Sweden is just as capitalistic as the rest of Europe.
@alexiuzzz And that is pretty much where it stops. Private businesses operate in Sweden. It is a mixed economy, not socialist. Yes they get universal healthcare, free education up to PhD level and other nice things, but ideological principles don't get in the way of economic efficiancy and maintaining a good standard of living and quality of life. So really the whole Sweden being a socialist country is a myth.
@Vinetia Well that I agree on. It was a very long time ago we swedes considered ourselvers as socialists. Even the socialdemocrats are not pure socialists anymore.
The myth only resides in countries outside of Sweden. We see ourselves as a very capitalistic country, but with high taxes.
@alexiuzzz Yeah I agree to that. Sweden is a capitalist country with a better grasp of how to properly distribute high progressive tax rates back to the people thorugh thier progressive social programs and development projects/mechanisms.
@Vinetia Indeed. One need only check the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom, where Sweden ranks above the USA in business, trade, monetary, investment and financial freedom, as well as property rights and freedom of corruption. In business freedom Sweden is actually the 6th most free in the world. There are really only three factors which pull Sweden down: Taxes, government spending, and labor market regulations.
@cpx86 Well the taxes is probably due to a low population tax base. There is only 9-10 million Swedes, which all need looking after, so then the taxes are high so that they can sustain government development projects in areas of education/healthcare/welfare, etc. But yeah I would agree with you on everything else.
of course we must help people without income. no one has asked to come to life. And produce more people than work someone has to be unemployed or else the state have to make gas chambers to fix unemployed problem. And that i dont think would be a good solution. Help the ones that need it!
thats what you are saying. Work or die, when people all over the world produce more children that there are going to be works. I say help people without income you say work or starve. And i say i wish nobody should starve but if a unemployed have to chose between being gased to death or starve i think the most of them would choose gas chambers.
lastly he advises the american people NOT to spend their OWN tax money on themselves!!! How cheeky can you get???? Right wing brainwashing. There are schools for fools like these all over the world. Fools who think destroying all industry and moving it to slave labour China is "natural", smart", "wise", just like it has to be. Sweden has been SWINDLED by international central bankers who have started DISMANTLING their evonomy! AND its plain for ANYONE to SEE! & More money is created as DEBT
absolute bullshit. Countries that "are rich" (have a good living standard for _everyone_ ) are rich because of their level of democracy and unionizing which allows wages to be high, which again creates a huge internal market. Also rules that control that control capital flight and the loss of industry. "capitalism" i.e. people trading is not a function that only exists in "capitalism". trade and incresing wealth in the economy would exist just as much in a socialist society.
2:23 says it all. sweden is smalled than almost all the US states. It's a little bigger than maryland. These people are so stupid as to espouse world views. Their people are all brain dead. They hardly have any thought in them at all. AS SEEN IN THEIR ART AND CULTURE. They are frozen. It's the size of maryland.
Let Sweden be Sweden and America be America. America has been successful for 2 and ahlf centuries now. Sure, there have been ups and downs, but then, show me a country which hasn't had it's ups and downs. The USA isn't about taxing people to death. It's just our mentality. The average American does'nt like big government. One reason why it took forever to get mandatory health care, which is still very controversial. Ikea is a great store though. I own a Billy cabinet!
Bergh is a biased economist. He is not mainstream in Sweden, please be aware of that. Sweden's health care systems is one of the best and most efficient in the world according to most international studies. See for example
news.bbc.co *dot* uk/2/hi/health/4460098.stm
Anyway, in the US Medicare's administration cost are lower than the administration costs of private insurers, so Berghs thesis that the US govt' can't be efficient is just false. He has actually written about it himself.
I think the two of you win the joint award of the Most Malplaced Discussion Ever for a YouTube video. This seems more suited for a blog correspondence, instead of reading walls of text in backward chronology.
Bergh is a biased economist. He is not mainstream in Sweden, please be aware of that. Sweden's health care system is one of the best and most efficient in the world according to most international studies. See for example
news.bbc.co *dot* uk/2/hi/health/4460098.stm
Anyway, in the US, Medicare's administration costs are lower than the administration costs of private insurers, so Berghs claim that the US govt' can't be efficient is just false. He has actually written about it himself.
@Endstation Administration costs are not a sign of inefficiency necessarily. Also the USA developed and brings to market what makes health care work. Ie technology, drugs and surgical procedures.
Being efficient is easy, being efficient and effective is not. Any system that doesn't have the capacity to develop their own products and services isn't desirable.
@MarmaladeINFP Sorry I made you reply twice to give you your much needed internet attention. Just dropping in the comments to let you know I don't argue with little morons on Youtube, so you can keep talking shit and pretend like you know anything about politics lol.
Socialism, communism and facism are on the same end of the spectrum, like it or not, wiki or not, that's just how it is.
Now go on spewing bullshit claims and judging people's education based on their lack of desire to argue.
@dafcnz Does ignorance make you happy? I could spend all day offering you source after source proving that socialism isn't simply equated with state government, fascism and communism. I offered the Wikipedia article just to demonstrate how even a common mainstream source that is easily accessible proves my point. Your ignorance isn't based on a lack of info available to you. Your ignorance is mere laziness.
No, if it made me happy, I would not be trying to help you get beyond yours. I NEVER said that socialism was "simply equated with state governmnet, fascism and communism. The fact that communism and fascism are forms of socialism and that, IN PRACTICE, socialism has, to date, been equated with government is not the same thing. And, no, even a source so universally recognized as unrelaible as Wikipedia does not undermine my point in the slightest.
@FletchforFreedom My comment was directed at dafcnz and not at you. IN PRACTICE, socialism has, to date, been associated with many real world examples besides state governments. There have been self-identified socialist politicians in the US on the local level. There has been various socialist forms of collectivist organization from communes to co-ops to grassroots movements.
And, no, Wikipedia isn't the only source. The Wikipedia article on socialism has 117 references to sources (including news sources, academic works, and political writings of well known authors) and it links to hundreds of other Wikipedia articles that also have hundreds of references to cited sources. Besides, the same info in the Wikipedia would be found in most encyclopedias. I could spend weeks citing source after source. This is all common knowledge to any well informed person.
In regards to the waiting times, have there ever been empirical evidence showing that waiting time have been more “socialist” countries are significantly longer than those in more “capitalist” countries. It seems to me that these are just prima facie assertions be made in regards to the waiting times without any empirical evidence being providing to back/prove the assertion.
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@RaccooNooB No it wouldn't, it'd simply become CHEAPER, and better quality. I mean why does EVERYONE look at fucking healthcare? Why don't people worry about cellphones or labtops? Almost EVERYONE is on the internet or on their phone these days because that's how cheap they are! They've been MADE cheap AND good quality because there's competition!
But no, people are moralist idiots who think that we can't make healthcare a marketable good.
Spjungen 2 weeks ago
Sweden > Somalia
Your move 'libertarians'
AdamDLDixon 4 weeks ago
@AdamDLDixon anarchy or a broken state isnt the same as libertarians.
bigactionprod 3 weeks ago
@bigactionprod Oh, that libertarianism is not my libertarianism.
The No True Scotsman fallacy.
AdamDLDixon 3 weeks ago
@AdamDLDixon 1) Libertarian anarchists advocate not merely an absence of government, but institutional alternatives to government. To use Somalia as an example against libertarian anarchism, you need to show those alternatives have been tried and found wanting. You haven't. 2) Somalia is not exactly the same as Sweden except for a difference in "amount of government." 3) Research suggests Somalia has done better without government than with it; see bit [dot] ly / 1ErvUe and bit [dot] ly / 2GqptY
rghanneken 3 weeks ago
@AdamDLDixon 4) Not all libertarians are anarchists. Most, including I suspect the producers of this video, advocate smaller government, but still think there should be some government. Such libertarians believe government has a place in society, but think that government as it exists today needs to be put in its place. Somalia is not, in any respect, what they are advocating.
rghanneken 3 weeks ago
@rghanneken Sweden now > Sweden before social democratic party. Would you want to risk it being one of the richest and nicest places to live, just for ideology?
AdamDLDixon 3 weeks ago
@AdamDLDixon Sweden now > Sweden before my birth. Am I the cause of Swedish progress? I would not say Swedes should dispense with a system that works to satisfy the demands of my ideology. I'm saying that which policies have been beneficial, and which detrimental, is a question for research, analysis, discussion, and reasonable disagreement. It cannot be settled by crude comparisons and post hoc arguments. (Also, you can't assume the SAP has always enacted democratic socialist policies.)
rghanneken 3 weeks ago
Please, PLEASE, eliminate the welfare state in Sweden. Cut taxes, deregulate, and let the free market work. They're already starting, and they need to keep doing it; we need a last stand in the West because the US and EU are going to shit with socialism.
Spjungen 1 month ago
I don't think you should go as far as Sovjet russia did but still neather as far as US have taken their liberalism. I think you should balance it a bit more towards communism and let the goverment have a degree of influance on our daily lives like in Sweden.
RaccooNooB 1 month ago
@RaccooNooB US isn't liberal, it's socialist.
And as long as people and governments think that way, the Western world will continue to stagnate, people's living standards will continue to decrease, while Hong Kong, Singapore, and China (or at least the free market zones there) will continue to outperform us.
Everyone in America is fleeing to Texas right now because it's the last remaining safe haven for a free marketin this country. That should be a sign.
Spjungen 1 month ago
@Spjungen Oh ya, sorry. It's not the first time i mix up those two.
RaccooNooB 1 month ago
It's really funny when he says this is "free", that is "free", when the fact is that it's NOT free, the money has been STOLEN from other productive people in the economy, this money if left in the hands of those who've EARNED by producing goods/services would be used way more efficiently than govt, politicians & bureaucrats who've every reason to take some of it as well as not use it as efficiently as it could be since it's not their own money
tjtomkins 1 month ago
So, I'm a swedish millionaire, I get taxed 55% and I get 85% of all I pay back from the Government back in services? So a millionaire that is just healthy a middle class man will pay more in health services than that said middle class man. Still sounds like wealth redistribution to me. On a free market, I get 100% what I pay for, not a government controlled
85%. Sweden might have the most efficient government ever, but 85% return rate is still a lousy investment return...
ValentinN84 1 month ago
the author's book seems to have no english translation. are there any other useful works on the theme that could shed some light on swedish economy's matters in comparison with the rest of the developed world?
jorgedfbranco 1 month ago
Sweden doesn't fight imperial wars, so I'm guessing they are not bleeding their public tax dollars in quite the same way as the US. This guy cautions the US from "learning the wrong lessons from Sweden," and mistakenly enlarging its public sector. Is the military industrial complex NO "public sector?" The contractors we pay are "private," but all of their pay is "public." without the MIC, the US could certainly "enlarge its public sector" to expand services that meet human needs. No problem.
TeyunaSe 2 months ago
Awesome!! Go capitalism!!
magnetikmegan 2 months ago
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Gichnni 3 months ago
All you idiots who are soo against capitalism. Why won't you just move to another country? How about you go to China, Russia or maybe you can go to your beloved North Korea.
Gichnni 3 months ago
You keyboard warriors should really stop commenting on how bad capitalism and get a fucking job you benefit leeching pieces of thrash.
Gichnni 3 months ago
Tha capitalists and liberals have destroyed Sweden.
aikfanat 3 months ago
"they don´t drink much" Yeah right.
bengtsson45 3 months ago
"Free Market Capitalism" will solve all problems? how can it? It has caused the problems in the first place !
gasto5 3 months ago
@gasto5 Government bailing out banks, bailing out corporations are not capitalism. I don't know where you're seeing the capitalism?.. Sweden was built on capitalism, had 100 of years of economic growth, the highest economical growth in the world togheter with Japan.
Before Sweden got capitalism, Sweden were one of the poorest countries in europe, it's thanks to capitalism that Sweden is were it's at right now.
The economy has gone down since the 1970's.. And will keep on doing so.
trapedd 2 months ago
@trapedd You are talking about econimic bullshit. Go investigate suicide rates, precisely in Sweeden and Japan, and still tell me with a straight face how great capitalism is.
gasto5 2 months ago 2
@gasto5 - Did the investigation you recommended and cannot find any reason more government interference would lead to lower rates of suicide.
StateExempt 1 month ago
@StateExempt Well, good for you. Probably a bad investigation. Suicide is like murder: just the other way around, when a person is depriived of resources or social circles, the individual has two ways of venting, outward or inward(or something in between). Suicide is directly related to economical problems, not necessarily poverty, but rather disparity and injustice perception. And what better system to propagate and perpetuate than the "free" Austrian economics market system.
gasto5 1 month ago
@gasto5 Weighing the possibility that someone might kill themselves because they "perceive" the "injustices" of someone else having more than them against having a state do whatever it is you're alluding to prevent this from happening makes me oddly apathetic toward suicide.
casualdissent 1 month ago
@casualdissent No surprise, its precisely apathetic people that control the economy.
gasto5 1 month ago
@gasto5 It's hardly surprising that people will stop caring about your life when your argument becomes a form of "I'm going to kill myself unless I get my way and have the state oppress you."
casualdissent 1 month ago
@casualdissent And your alternative is letting business men oppress you, you may have some business man in a suite fetish, but come on, at least politicians are funny. Or how about none?
gasto5 1 month ago
@gasto5
What is a politician?
It's a businessman who can force you to buy what they're peddling.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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@casualdissent "What is a politician?
It's a businessman who can force you to buy what they're peddling.
Nothing more, nothing less." ·| At last we agree in something.
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@casualdissent
"What is a politician?
It's a businessman who can force you to buy what they're peddling.
Nothing more, nothing less."
Wonderfully put.
People are so indoctrinated to separate between pvt & public sector but the fact is that BOTH are run by SELF-INTERESTED individuals so giving govt the power to "legally" ROB & FORCE only gets abused to serve the interests of those who bribe govt; pvt sector at least has no "legal" authority to rob & force like govt does.
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@gasto5
"And your alternative is letting business men oppress you"
No, the point is BOTH sectors, pvt or govt are going to oppress so why give either one a "legal" authority to oppress? And at the end of the day, oppressive businesses use GOVT'S POWER to oppress so it's pointless. The problem is people's naivety in conceding power to govt (with help from govt-education & massmedia, of course) in the VAIN HOPE for security & freeloading at the expense of others.
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@gasto5
"And your alternative is letting business men oppress you"
No, the point is BOTH sectors, pvt or govt are going to oppress so why give either one a "legal" authority to oppress? And at the end of the day, oppressive businesses use GOVT'S POWER to oppress so it's pointless. The problem is people's naivety in conceding power to govt (with help from govt-education & massmedia, of course) in the VAIN HOPE for security & freeloading at the expense of others.
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@gasto5 - Can you point to an Austrian-based economy that has a high suicide rate?
StateExempt 1 month ago
@StateExempt Yes, the world is an Austrian-based economy. Business men run the world, and politicians are their allies. Exceptions are rare: Germany an Japan are excellent examples of solid, low-corruption governance states.
gasto5 1 month ago
@gasto5
>"[T]he world is an Austrian-based economy"
He's talking about the Austrian School of economics. You likely don't know what this is, based on the quoted statement.
casualdissent 1 month ago
@gasto5 - I find it hard to believe someone could be so deluded into thinking we have a free world economy with no government intervention (which is largely what Austrian Economists argue for), but after seeing that you buy into the glib notions of a "resource-based" economy and other Zeitgeist musings, I guess I have little reason to be surprised.
StateExempt 1 month ago 2
@StateExempt I don't assist secret meetings with the Bilderberg group nor other high profile business men gatherings, nor do I assist the ONU meetings. But from the reliable sources I read on the internet(mainly non-mainstream), money moves the world. And high quantity money possessors make the majority of decisions, politicians just approve laws to help them out. Admittedly Austrian school of economics solves some monopoly problems, but the disparity is still there.
gasto5 1 month ago
@gasto5 - Fiat currency manipulates the world, and that is one prominent reason why it was highly uninformed of you to claim that the world operates on the principles of the Austrian school.
StateExempt 1 month ago
@StateExempt Don't you think that the guy from this video knows nothing about capitalism? I mean, how can a society with up to 60% taxes to be capitalist? Or with "free" healthcare? Or that "the individuals have an incentive to pay taxes for the state"? I mean, then why force them???
marketanarchist2011 1 month ago
@marketanarchist2011
"Don't you think that the guy from this video knows nothing about capitalism?"
It's been fashionable to refer to socialism-corporatism as "capitalism" for a long time so....
But the point he's trying to make is that it was capitalism in 19th & early 20th century that raised Sweden & then started going down with socialism then capitalist measures were re-introduced to get it back up again....you know like we say it's capitalist measures in China & India that've improved them
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins Yes very good point, we have NOT had capitalism in the past few decades, far from it. We've had corporatism. And Michael Moore's bullshit video is very deceptive; it should be called CORPORATISM: a love story.
Spjungen 1 month ago
@StateExempt The market is still backed by products and services. It's not a gold standard, but people can, for example, pollute a river in Africa and another company sell the affected population bottled water. Isn't that what you would call "free market"?
gasto5 1 month ago
@gasto5 - No, that is destroying someone else's property.
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gasto5 1 month ago
@gasto5 Suicide rates have to do with what?
casualdissent 1 month ago
@casualdissent Duh? Well that and the climate, of course :)
gasto5 1 month ago
@gasto5 This reply makes no sense to me, given what I said.
casualdissent 1 month ago
@gasto5 It was capitalists, (austrian economists) that predicted the financial collapse, but nobody wanted to listen to them.. Yeah blame capitalism..
trapedd 2 months ago
@trapedd No, it was common sense people that predicted the collapse. Austrian economists just knew too well their sick perverted game.
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@gasto5 "it was common sense people that predicted the collapse"
Patently not the case.
casualdissent 1 month ago
A poor person in Sweden is a LOT richer than a poor person in USA and Canada.
There is no minimum wage in Sweden.
Taxes might be high, but that is actually not bad, it is like a nest egg and the money goes back to yourself most of the time.
USA has reckless spending and borrowing, hence the near collapse and the IMMINENT one.
Swedes also feel safer, knowing that they don't have to worry about health.
People can also be rich in Sweden, just not fucktard rich.
Science flourish and intellect.
Swecan76 5 months ago
@Swecan76 It's free dental care for your children up to 18 years of age, ANYTHING.
Excellent education system, a very secular country.
There is only ONE thing wrong in Sweden right now, excessive middle eastern immigration of Islamic people.
That is the WORST danger Sweden can ever face, and it's politicians let it happen.
Also it's too many immigrants for the state to take care of, so ghetto's form and crime on the rise.
Sweden was a paradise and would be so today without Islamic people there
Swecan76 5 months ago
@Swecan76 We're not really like the US man...... and by we I mean Canada.
fenix144 4 months ago
@fenix144 No Canada is not like US in many respects but there is minimum wage here.
Which is a bad thing, also a LOT of jobs are part time jobs, which makes it hard for people to live on their incomes.
Also there is a lot of poor families, even something like 25% of the children in Canada at one point or another has some financial problems through their families.
Hence the TON of thrift stores and soup kitchens and donations.
NOT needed in Sweden, except for REAL homeless people.
Swecan76 4 months ago
@Swecan76 Sorry 1 in 10 kids live in poverty in Canada, not 25%.
But I think it is 25% that one time or another had to go to soup kitchen with parents cause they had financial problems for a short while.
This was a shock too me when I came to Canada, I thought it was rich (which technically it is), yet it follows the USA model when it comes to salaries and such.
80% of all jobs in my smaller town about 30-40,000 is PART TIME jobs, that is fucking nuts.
Swecan76 4 months ago
In 20 years, Sweden will be so rich we will have to invade Germany - again.
Not only out of superiority, but because certain people can't take care of themselves.
By today, Europe at large does not wish to develop. It has accepted failure and stagnation.
It is in desperate need of radical changes and therefore, the New Swedish Model has to be recognized. Even more Socialism will not restore economic growth on European, Japanese or American soil. Face reality.
scholion 5 months ago
I like it, it gives an equal edge to poor people. However, corruption can infiltrate the central taxing and distribution government. I think there should be competing taxing and tax distribution entities as well.
mastapho 6 months ago
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mastapho 6 months ago
sweden is a homosexual state! lot of men are more morbid than anywere else
IbnNero 7 months ago
The more I learn of economics and the lessons of history, the more I realize that countries can do nothing worse than to follow Leftists over yet another cliff of socialistic totalitarianism. I'm glad to see Sweden doing well since embracing free market capitalism, lower taxes, and deregulation, just as I'm sad to see my own country losing both prosperity and personal liberties by following the Obamunists in the opposite direction.
Linguiphile 8 months ago
65% percent tax pressure, gas 8 dollars per gallon, most people live in tiny one floor apartments and use public transportation... Capitalism????
mrhaw 8 months ago
We don't have capitalism. We have CORPORATIVISM.
That is why there is an upcoming new classical liberal party.
Goverment is in the pocket of big corporations.
We also don't have much of a constitution compared to the US.
The only reasons that we've managed to survive is our (now, unfortunately pretty much state enforced) rapidly declining tollerance of other cultures, our easily cheated tax system and the fact that most of us actually work hard and care for the unfortunate.
ToxinalX 8 months ago
If it's returned to you, why take it in the first place?
rockpwnsu 8 months ago
@rockpwnsu
Because they are socialists. They fight against capitalistic "greed" and that is why they need to steal all your money through high taxes so they can decide themselves how to use the money to make their own personal socialist dreams come through. This is the irony of socialism.
Gichnni 3 months ago
It's the same deal in Germany. We tax labor and consumption heavily (we do have a progressive income tax though), but corporate taxes are very low.
The U.S. wants to do the exact opposite, which will be destructive, but they will figure it out.
groam6666 8 months ago
Education is not free if you are paying 55% taxes.
tubo222555 9 months ago
Why isn't he talking about the decline of real value for the people in the country? The railroad transportation is outdated and does not work because of the economic growth, for example. The gov. is making more people poor and taking away their healthcare, because no GDP generation.
Humans, please...wake up! Money ≠ real value. Capitalism, socialism, communism, anarchism = Monetarism and market system. The money and market system does not work and is making more humans suffer each day.
Noxictyz 9 months ago
@Noxictyz friend you have made one of the most logical comment on this video.Many of the people that worship the free market system fail to remember that the system only objective is to make at any cost ! I use to have respect for European intelligences not to fall for this kind of propaganda !!!
parsonman05 7 months ago
What a goon. His theory that Ikea and Volvo single handedly saved Sweden is hilariously awesome. I noticed he didn't mention the giant god damned housing bubble that grew as taxes went down, resulting in massive unemployment, significant loss in the economy, huge drop in income levels, and was only rectified once the government inserted itself into the market. He also doesn't mention Sweden's income level decline as taxes lowered.
Zuhzuhzombie 10 months ago
52% of Babies born in France are Black!!!
m00se321 11 months ago
I love the last line: "America could increase taxes up to sweedish levels but it would get spent in the American public sector and I would not advise that"
mjbarrowful 11 months ago
Americans are thick as shit, Michael Moore makes capitalism to be some big scary boogieman but the simple fact is he profits from it! Michael Moore is a capitalist.
darkstar3x16 1 year ago
This guy is a character. I like him, but he looks like a muppet.
RonaldReaganRocks1 1 year ago
Sweden is moving towards more Free Market capitalism because they are learning the limits of Democratic Socialism. And what the Welfare State can do for people.
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Powie11 1 year ago
The video is an argument for a mixed economy, as we had in the 19th century.
Zakdayak 1 year ago
We got a great system here, we do have a free market, but even though he says we have deregulated a lot, we still have a lot of regulation specialy towards how they can treat employer's, It's important to keep the welfare up.. imigration is not helping with that by the way. the tax for corporations is still high and it's important not to lower it so much that we run out of money to support the country's welfare structure, we are doing a good job i feel. i enjoy paying taxes, i feel safe'n'happy
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Diablo419 1 year ago
What's the point of taxing people just to give it back to them?
madass888 1 year ago
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Diablo419 1 year ago
@Diablo419 Where are u going with all your provoking?!
volunteerz 1 year ago
@madass888 It's basically a method for the government to control employers vs employees. By each year, the tax department has calculated that everyone has paid a just tax of their income. If anyone's paid more in tax than necessary due to less income over a year they will be given a refund. If anyone gets claimed on taxmoney it could be as due to additional income when selling houseproperty.
volunteerz 1 year ago
@madass888 if you have a very low income and pay no tax most people still wouldnt save any of that for the future. the government will force you to save money regardless of how low income you have. this will ensure you to have a home and food every day even when you can no longer work. this also keeps the lowest income quite high, as no employer can get away with paying a salary that you cant survive on (after income tax). USA use the same system, sweden only takes away more, and give more back
MrStillton 1 year ago
@MrStillton
hmm.. but the government can not create wealth, it can only redistribute it and while doing it it takes a piece for itself. So the citizens will always have a net lost on a government program. But I do think a small government in absolute size will be more efficient and easier to control than a big one. I think that's the reason why the swedish system seem to work well, but it will be impossible to implement it in the US. And I'm afraid the EU will become like the US.
madass888 1 year ago
@madass888 that is not entirely true. the Swedish government own several successful companies. but they have now realized that they can be even more successful on there own. so many of them are sold. so they can create wealth, but that is not what the government is there to do, so they shouldn't.
MrStillton 1 year ago
search cbn malmoe or fox news malmoe and you will se the throuth multicultural sweden.
Larzz0n 1 year ago
@Larzz0n Other Euro countries in the same situation it's going to be a messy future for us all.
darkstar3x16 1 year ago
We gives away 2% of the BNP to other countrys every year, we have 100.000 immigrants every year, wich coast's alot, every immigrant costs 700.000 kr, or 100.000 us dollar per year in 8 years to the swedish tax payers.
Larzz0n 1 year ago
@Larzz0n its a lot cheaper to import "ready to work" immigrants then to pay for childcare and 12-20 years education. especially since most of them grow up to be ignorant and ungrateful WT anyway.
MrStillton 1 year ago
so they want to dismantel what makes them good, sounds greedy and selfish so will probably happen
rictorn 1 year ago
Universal Healthcare can work, but you need extensive price controls. In capitalists systems these are set by the equilibrium points of the supply and demand curves. If you really wanted to change american healthcare, you need to reintroduce price incentives for consumers, so that insurance companies get the best deal. Because face it, right now, you'll just go anywhere that accepts your insurance, and you have no idea how much the procedure actually costs.
Vegemighty 1 year ago
Anybody here actually live in sweden? Like can attest or be interviewed? I was planning a trip to research Europe and its comparison to USA. Let me know thanks if you can be interviewed.
Gades117 1 year ago
@Gades117 im british and i moved to sweden 2 years ago.
MrMorriz1 1 year ago
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@Gades117 I'm Swedish. If you want an interview then sure. However I don't have any higher education, but i'm quite well educated for being 19 years old. mail me if you want, nils.lunneryd@gmail.com
Kuddji1 1 year ago
This guy is just a silly academic with no real life experience! It's both time consuming and fairly expensive to undergo medical treatment due to long waiting list times. I'm very dubious about the fair tax rate for the poor vs rich he's telling, many live by a everyday margin and can't even afford unemployment benefits. The pension system has become privatized to feed super capitalist prospects on the stock market.
volunteerz 1 year ago
"Swedes don't drink much".. yeah..
tamm1992 1 year ago
@tamm1992 Generally we don't.
TNorberg 1 year ago
I live in sweden and i cannot in any possible way imagine how it would be without free health care. I also do not understand why capitalism is so good.
Whats wrong with having a security net which catches people who fall?
We earn less, but as previously stated we earn it back if we would for example hurt ourselves. Socialism creates a more even chance for EVERYONE, deal with it.
anting004 1 year ago
@anting004 State run socialism is not good at all. If you didn't have state run health care, taxes would be much lower, enabling you to afford a private health insurance, which would work much better as explained in this video.
Nuker1337 1 year ago
private health care insurance is all good for those who can afford it. But for those who never will be able to, just like those in America who cant afford it, there must be a solution. Also theres a big problem with what is actually covered by it. How much more would i have to pay if I for example have a inherited disease?Sweden is in economy very capitalistic, but in culture, very socialistic. dying because they cant afford something would NEVER be acceptable here, and shouldnt be anywhere
brickan2 1 year ago
@anting004 the "security net" is too often a trap which ensnares people, stopping them from climbing back out of poverty. If you desire the existence of a security net, you should volunteer your own money to such a charitable cause, but you have no moral right to force others to pay for something YOU desire.
Socialism has killed hundreds of millions. Did Mao's victims have a "more even chance" when he stole their livelihood and left them to starve? Socialism is a crime, deal with it.
Hostile 1 year ago
Government holds your money for a few years and then gives it back to you? That sounds like a classic unnecessary government service. We have banks and mattresses to hold our money, or gold bars.
Sounds like their health system is not so good, but then I hear the same from all over Europe. Good thing they take care of their health.
XCritonX 1 year ago
@XCritonX Banks can collapse, as we have seen throughout the GFC, where is your moeny then? But he said tax is held then is given to the individual through negative tax rates, while banks can just hold on to your everyday money. It's not rocket science.
Vinetia 1 year ago
@Vinetia Your money in the bank is insured. Countries and currencies can collapse, who will pay you your social security then? And will it be worth anything? You will only get some of what you give back.
If you keep all of your money in the bank you are not a very smart investor. Chile has privatized social security. Chileans now have the most secure social security system in the world and the get a real rate of return on their investment of around 7%. They get more than what they gave back.
XCritonX 1 year ago
@XCritonX Yeah ok. But if they get more than what they pay the social security firm, wouldn't that amount to a negative balance sheet, wouldn't that be making a loss. The Chiliean Dictator Pinochet didn't think that one through, besides putting your retirement savings in the hands of private account companies who are listed on the stock market is a bad idea. if indivuduals get more back than they put in, then how is the company making money? Perhaps the bank has to bail them out, lol.
Vinetia 1 year ago
@Vinetia You obviously do not understand how free markets and money management work. The money that Chileans put into the private social security is invested in various types of projects. Some are highly successful, others not so much. The wealth grows and the investors get to keep a part of that as their reward for lending their money.
Believe it or not, wealth can be created. The YouTube video at watch?v=bFxvy9XyUtg explains wealth growth and free markets very nicely.
XCritonX 1 year ago
i agree Hail Hitler
hurryupche 1 year ago
lol swedes dont drink much ...funny
cksteele 1 year ago
I would imagine sleeping rough in Sweden is pretty tough.
brian77ism 1 year ago
Sweden is a welfare state that exists only because it's capitalist economy maintains it.
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@firestrings272 duh... it's called a mixed economy
Xenthoid 1 year ago
@firestrings272
That comment just made me 'doh' outloud. Of course a welfare state needs to be funded by SOMETHING.
schoenzool 1 year ago
@firestrings272 thats right and vica verca good system
rictorn 1 year ago
@firestrings272
Amen. Beautiful quote.
tubo222555 9 months ago
Sweden actually has less trading regulations than the US. due to the fact they are a small country. They have no choice. they are more economically liberal than the USA. So the whole Swedish socialism thing to me is crap. Sweden is just as capitalistic as the rest of Europe.
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@Vinetia I agree
firestrings272 1 year ago
@Vinetia but the wellfare is maitained by the highest taxes in the world..
alexiuzzz 1 year ago
@alexiuzzz Your point being?
Vinetia 1 year ago
@Vinetia Well, I kind f agree with you that we are a very economic liberal country. But socialistic tendencies lies in the very high taxes.
alexiuzzz 1 year ago
@alexiuzzz And that is pretty much where it stops. Private businesses operate in Sweden. It is a mixed economy, not socialist. Yes they get universal healthcare, free education up to PhD level and other nice things, but ideological principles don't get in the way of economic efficiancy and maintaining a good standard of living and quality of life. So really the whole Sweden being a socialist country is a myth.
Vinetia 1 year ago
@Vinetia Well that I agree on. It was a very long time ago we swedes considered ourselvers as socialists. Even the socialdemocrats are not pure socialists anymore.
The myth only resides in countries outside of Sweden. We see ourselves as a very capitalistic country, but with high taxes.
alexiuzzz 1 year ago
@alexiuzzz Yeah I agree to that. Sweden is a capitalist country with a better grasp of how to properly distribute high progressive tax rates back to the people thorugh thier progressive social programs and development projects/mechanisms.
Vinetia 1 year ago
@Vinetia Indeed. One need only check the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom, where Sweden ranks above the USA in business, trade, monetary, investment and financial freedom, as well as property rights and freedom of corruption. In business freedom Sweden is actually the 6th most free in the world. There are really only three factors which pull Sweden down: Taxes, government spending, and labor market regulations.
cpx86 1 year ago
@cpx86 Well the taxes is probably due to a low population tax base. There is only 9-10 million Swedes, which all need looking after, so then the taxes are high so that they can sustain government development projects in areas of education/healthcare/welfare, etc. But yeah I would agree with you on everything else.
Vinetia 1 year ago
@Vinetia hell I wish the Danish government would understand this.... Denmark, my country is going to f***ing hell!
darkmanddk 1 year ago
@Vinetia You mean corporativistic.
ToxinalX 8 months ago
This is crap. Sweden is not a socialist country. Stupid americans
SUFSthlm 1 year ago
@SUFSthlm
Please stop talking dummy
SturmKorps 1 year ago
@SturmKorps Well, maybe you should listen to the people who live there when you makes this assumptions ;)
SUFSthlm 1 year ago
Don't blame the system..blame the Docters union that was greedy and did not support training places for docters so now we have a sortage of docters!
TheThinkinggimp 1 year ago
is this book avialable in Engalish?
zciweiksim 1 year ago
well pointless to discuss/analyze politic anyway because no one can be totally neutral.
kimptt 1 year ago
that say idioti this one to him I live in sweden and 90 % of the people is alcoholic and they live in a bubble
motormaxi1000 1 year ago
wait lines are only a problem in health systems run by accountants--like in canada
bvrcrap56 1 year ago
of course we must help people without income. no one has asked to come to life. And produce more people than work someone has to be unemployed or else the state have to make gas chambers to fix unemployed problem. And that i dont think would be a good solution. Help the ones that need it!
kimptt 1 year ago
@kimptt
"No one has asked to come to life"??? SO DIE
Don't make me subsidize a bums aimless existence, and live off MY hard work while I pursue MY goals, to support MY life I didn't "ask" for.
I'll gladly live and work to exist. Play the cards you're dealt.
TOLFINTRY 1 year ago
@TOLFINTRY
thats what you are saying. Work or die, when people all over the world produce more children that there are going to be works. I say help people without income you say work or starve. And i say i wish nobody should starve but if a unemployed have to chose between being gased to death or starve i think the most of them would choose gas chambers.
kimptt 1 year ago
@TOLFINTRY well, anyway it´s not your decicion to decide who shall live or die in sweden or we shall manage this country.
what do you know about what you are talking about. If all unemployed and sick should die today, maybe there would be more unemployed.
kimptt 1 year ago
lastly he advises the american people NOT to spend their OWN tax money on themselves!!! How cheeky can you get???? Right wing brainwashing. There are schools for fools like these all over the world. Fools who think destroying all industry and moving it to slave labour China is "natural", smart", "wise", just like it has to be. Sweden has been SWINDLED by international central bankers who have started DISMANTLING their evonomy! AND its plain for ANYONE to SEE! & More money is created as DEBT
gunthaarz 1 year ago
absolute bullshit. Countries that "are rich" (have a good living standard for _everyone_ ) are rich because of their level of democracy and unionizing which allows wages to be high, which again creates a huge internal market. Also rules that control that control capital flight and the loss of industry. "capitalism" i.e. people trading is not a function that only exists in "capitalism". trade and incresing wealth in the economy would exist just as much in a socialist society.
gunthaarz 1 year ago
2:23 says it all. sweden is smalled than almost all the US states. It's a little bigger than maryland. These people are so stupid as to espouse world views. Their people are all brain dead. They hardly have any thought in them at all. AS SEEN IN THEIR ART AND CULTURE. They are frozen. It's the size of maryland.
nVei06 1 year ago
Let Sweden be Sweden and America be America. America has been successful for 2 and ahlf centuries now. Sure, there have been ups and downs, but then, show me a country which hasn't had it's ups and downs. The USA isn't about taxing people to death. It's just our mentality. The average American does'nt like big government. One reason why it took forever to get mandatory health care, which is still very controversial. Ikea is a great store though. I own a Billy cabinet!
bean420man 1 year ago
Bergh is a biased economist. He is not mainstream in Sweden, please be aware of that. Sweden's health care systems is one of the best and most efficient in the world according to most international studies. See for example
news.bbc.co *dot* uk/2/hi/health/4460098.stm
Anyway, in the US Medicare's administration cost are lower than the administration costs of private insurers, so Berghs thesis that the US govt' can't be efficient is just false. He has actually written about it himself.
Endstation 1 year ago
@Endstation "in the US Medicare's administration cost are lower than the administration costs of private insurers" source?
ortzinator 1 year ago
Its works, and we when through the global economic crisis with ease. I'm happy with the system.
Red0100 1 year ago
I think the two of you win the joint award of the Most Malplaced Discussion Ever for a YouTube video. This seems more suited for a blog correspondence, instead of reading walls of text in backward chronology.
Stmated 1 year ago
Bergh is a biased economist. He is not mainstream in Sweden, please be aware of that. Sweden's health care system is one of the best and most efficient in the world according to most international studies. See for example
news.bbc.co *dot* uk/2/hi/health/4460098.stm
Anyway, in the US, Medicare's administration costs are lower than the administration costs of private insurers, so Berghs claim that the US govt' can't be efficient is just false. He has actually written about it himself.
Endstation 1 year ago
@Endstation Do you live in the USA? Could you name one governmental industry that has been run efficiently over time?
Wake up and open your eyes. Socialized medicine is going to be a disaster.
Tidoublemy 1 year ago
@Endstation Administration costs are not a sign of inefficiency necessarily. Also the USA developed and brings to market what makes health care work. Ie technology, drugs and surgical procedures.
Being efficient is easy, being efficient and effective is not. Any system that doesn't have the capacity to develop their own products and services isn't desirable.
EasyEs 1 year ago
So why does the public sector in Sweden perform better than America's?
voskresene 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP Sorry I made you reply twice to give you your much needed internet attention. Just dropping in the comments to let you know I don't argue with little morons on Youtube, so you can keep talking shit and pretend like you know anything about politics lol.
Socialism, communism and facism are on the same end of the spectrum, like it or not, wiki or not, that's just how it is.
Now go on spewing bullshit claims and judging people's education based on their lack of desire to argue.
dafcnz 1 year ago
@dafcnz Does ignorance make you happy? I could spend all day offering you source after source proving that socialism isn't simply equated with state government, fascism and communism. I offered the Wikipedia article just to demonstrate how even a common mainstream source that is easily accessible proves my point. Your ignorance isn't based on a lack of info available to you. Your ignorance is mere laziness.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
No, if it made me happy, I would not be trying to help you get beyond yours. I NEVER said that socialism was "simply equated with state governmnet, fascism and communism. The fact that communism and fascism are forms of socialism and that, IN PRACTICE, socialism has, to date, been equated with government is not the same thing. And, no, even a source so universally recognized as unrelaible as Wikipedia does not undermine my point in the slightest.
FletchforFreedom 1 year ago
@FletchforFreedom My comment was directed at dafcnz and not at you. IN PRACTICE, socialism has, to date, been associated with many real world examples besides state governments. There have been self-identified socialist politicians in the US on the local level. There has been various socialist forms of collectivist organization from communes to co-ops to grassroots movements.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
And, no, Wikipedia isn't the only source. The Wikipedia article on socialism has 117 references to sources (including news sources, academic works, and political writings of well known authors) and it links to hundreds of other Wikipedia articles that also have hundreds of references to cited sources. Besides, the same info in the Wikipedia would be found in most encyclopedias. I could spend weeks citing source after source. This is all common knowledge to any well informed person.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
You keep saying "state governments" as if it is not redundant. Socialism is a means of organizing society. Whether the