US V8 Cars and british Roadster at Hillclimb Bergrennen St. Ursanne Vol. 7

[SRAMEK]

Unbelievable videos MPZ! Keep working

[gigantevito42]

at 0:58 i had an orgasm

[motanelustelistu]

Lol look at how preety quick is going the british car at 0:39 and how slow goes the US one at 1:07 . Look at how fast and smooth goes the british downforced car 0:41 ,and how , well it respecs the US tradition and doing the only thing it know ... a beautifull drift caused crash so US FAILS AGAIN AS USUAL ... Where the British corner at double or triple speed the US barely move , cuz theyre more aeerodynimac rubish cars didn't hear about the down force . F1 is not so aerodynamic but it have DF

[Darkman2023]

@motanelustelistu Funny though that they're going through the corners at nearly the same speeds, and that the American cars are twice, if not three times the size of a Caterham. So please, get off your high-horse and look at the facts, because it seems the "Dick of Fake Supremacy" is part of your saddle. ._.

[Dunkelheit2s]

@motanelustelistu You sound like an idiot.

Your spelling is also rubbish.

[motanelustelistu]

@Dunkelheit2s OK Doc. Grammar , whatever floats your boat :)

[TheIrishHammer6969]

hey dont we all like caterhams? yea of course we do, CUZ THEYRE THE FUCKING BEES KNEES.

[MPZRACEVIDEO]

Friends, the US cars and the roadsters are all EXOTICS at the Hillclimbs in Switzerland - it's fun to have them there...pls stop fighting - we are all Petrolheads, or not?

[motanelustelistu]

@MPZRACEVIDEO Agree.I don't have anything with America or American Cars,as a matter of fact in Top 10 you'll find the Charger and Challenger but i just can't stand the ego of the Americans.They praise so much some aircraft carrier with wheels as sporty ( Ex 70 Monte Carlo,Viper,Corvette ) and well made.American Cars are just clowns : MAD,FLASHY,gas guzzling,plastic cars.Unfortunetly the only things that they're good at is eating gas,drag race and leaving rubber prints on asphalt.

[ffrgtm]

@motanelustelistu American here. I started cheering when that piece of shit monte carlo (or whatever the fuck it is) bodied stock car crashed into the gaurd rail so you'll get no argument from me. The only thing I have a problem with is you calling the cars plastic like it's a bad thing....... when you have 75 cupholders, onstar, 13 head rest mounted lcd screens, and 24" wheels (this is standard fucktard american equipment on all vehicles) you need to be trimming weight anywhere you can.

[motanelustelistu]

@MPZRACEVIDEO If you wanna see an exotic car check out this youtube video : watch?v=vnsVqrX-14o&list=LLMPA­o2yCHJX8EFh3xDlVWOQ&index=17&f­eature=plpp_video thats an Exotic Beautiful Car in Campulung , Romania .

[JeepJKRiders]

How can you compare these cars together? Totally different rides. That's like throwing in a NASCAR and an Indy car in there. I'd like to see the ATOM perform against both.

[happykillmore88]

No Shelby Cobra, No GT40, No Corvette, I wonder why

[drainocleanser]

@happykillmore88

Those cars can't compete with the lotus 7 on a track like this. The car has nothing to it.

[happykillmore88]

@drainocleanser sure

[iRLadyKi113r]

haha i love how brits talk shit about these go karts outrunning v8 muscle cars around a road course. besides in video game and retarded movies, have any of you ever raced anybody from the gas station to the park then to grandmas house? never. all straight line. the two cars are completely different breeds. thats like comparing a rhino and a cheetah. no fucking shit the cheetah is gonna win in a race. rhino is tough and powerful and a cheetah is fast and nimble.

[MudBarf]

@iRLadyKi113r Many of these "go-karts" have power to weight ratios that a NASCAR would die for. 3.7lb per hp for the Nascar - to get that kind of power-to-weight, one of these "go-karts" need only produce around 300hp.

Do a search for "ro9KfaOIYdY" to see a 380HP car with a Suzuki Hayabusa turbo engine. 1.3 litre and a turbo, and faster than the v8 monstrosities you're defending in *every* way. You can have 10 of them for the same money, too.

So now who's taking shit???

[iRLadyKi113r]

@MudBarf obviously you. did you even read my comment and realize what i was saying? or did you read it and decide to "teach" me about power to weight ratios. from the bottom of my heart i ask you WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU BITCHING ABOUT?

[MudBarf]

@iRLadyKi113r LOL - I'm not bitching - YOU ARE. You started whinging like a little girl about brits "talking shit". Well, dumbass, you were claiming that your "rhino" is good in a straight line between grannie's house and wherever - I was simply pointing out that the "go-kart" would kick it's ass in a straight line too.

I'm sorry that you're too stupid to realise that a good power-to-weight ratio equals faster in a straight line, but that's your malfunction, not mine. I.D. 10 T error!

[iRLadyKi113r]

@MudBarf im talking about to compare heavy cars to small nimble cars is fucking stupid you dumb fuck! jesus christ. you cant compare them. read what i originally put. i never said anything about power to weight not being an issue bc it is. nor did i say it was faster in a straight line....all i said you cant act like its better and have some national pride bc a lotus outran a dodge magnum around a track thats a "no shit" moment when its not even close to being in the same category.

[MudBarf]

@iRLadyKi113r And why is it stupid to compare a heavy car with a light one? It's not. Unless you're the idiot backing the heavy car.

YOU SAID: "have any of you ever raced anybody from the gas station to the park then to grandmas house?"

I pointed out that the "go-kart" is faster in that scenario too. That doesn't make me a dumb fuck, that makes YOU a dumb fuck for bringing it up.

Stop whinging. Muscle cars are pointless pieces of crap. Accept it, you uneducated looser.

[MPZRACEVIDEO]

@MudBarf

@iRLadyKi113r

Friends, in fact, we, the Hillclimb Fans, love ALL kind of cars which racing up the Hill...

Please stop the fight and enjoy the racing.

We are all petrolheads, or not?

[iRLadyKi113r]

@MudBarf so comparing a wrx to a dumptruck makes sense right? fuck it lets compare a dirt bike to a helicoptor or a horse and a vaccum cleaner. im talking about how euro companys have pride in lap times and cornering abilities when NOBODY races in the streets from one place to another so why would you need cars that can handle 1g cornering? no point. make it have alot of horsepower and go fast in a straight line. muscle cars are just big high powered everyday cars not some try hard euro car

[MudBarf]

@iRLadyKi113r Now you're just being deliberately stupid. A muscle car is meant to be fast.  A 7 is meant to be fast. So a comparison between them is valid. Horses and vaccume cleaners aren't meant for the same thing - unlike Muscle cars/7's. Idiot.

And you lot may do nothing but 1/4 mile style drag races, but the rest of the world has corners. And even if we didn't - we've already established that the 7's are better at drag than your muscle cars.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf solid live rear axel has a disadvantage... its meant for straight line or circle tracks... not to mention this race series is extremely unbalanced... not even similar cars by any means... one is huge, the other is tiny, one has a roof, the other doesnt, one is set for sharp slow speed corners, one is not... you would have to be extremely ignorant to think this is a fair series... its like comparing that 7 to a world class gt corvette... just not the same

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater Oooh, sorry - but you're assuming that one type of car has a solid, live rear axle and the other doesn't. Which is a stupid assumption - there are muscle cars out there that have independent suspension, there are 7's out there that have independent suspension - but the majority of *BOTH* types of car have a solid beam type live rear axle.

You can also alter the steering rack of any car to suit any kind of corner.

And when did I claim it was a "fair" series?

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf you said a comparison between them is valid... which is very fucking wrong.. its like comparing apples to oranges

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater No, it's not wrong. Offer a man an apple or an orange, and he'll compare them, and pick the one he prefers. Ditto 7's and Muscles.

Show a man a vid about apples and oranges, he'll compare them. Ditto 7's and Muscles.

It's not your place to tell me or anyone else what we can and can't compare, asshat. You are also not the comment police.

So shove your head back up your ass and go play a real life game of frogger on a busy highway until you earn a Darwin award.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf okay then fucking compare that little 7 to a c6r race car??? you obviously are to ignorant to understand the concept of the metaphor comparing apples to oranges... You dont compare a big heavy v8 american "stock car" vs a go cart with a bad ass 4 cyl .... compare those 2 cars on say a HIGH speed circuit and you would see that 7 has problems getting above 150 due to aerodynamics much less trying to take a turn at that speed...

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater Look at that, you just compared a 7 to a Muscle car yourself.

Dumb fucking hypocrite.

And no, I do understand the concept of a metaphor - you just used a metaphor that was stupid, because I CAN compare an apple to an orange if I so choose, just like I can compare a 7 to a muscle car. As YOU YOURSELF JUST DID.

Also, 7 vs C6R - a properly built 7 with the right drivetrain (perhaps a Chevy V8 from, I dunno, a C6-R?) will murder the fatass Chevy.

I'd use an Ultima GTR tho.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf btw you can tell for sure the monte carlo has a solid live rear axle when you get a clear shot of under the rear of the car as he drives away... and im pretty sure the camaro does too so that is how i can say it does where as the 7 does not.... and steering rack is not enough to adjust over the disadvantages of a solid vs independent rear axel

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater They may be solid beam axle muscle cars, but the 7's probably have solid rear axles too. Your argument is fucking dumb and pointless because, as I said before (learn to read, eh???) BOTH types of car are usually fitted with a solid rear axle.

Which begs the question: are you being deliberately fucking stupid?

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf You can obviously tell the 7 has irs at about 0:22 if you know how to identify it without looking under it with its adjustable toe in the rear WHICH YOU CANT DO WITH SOLID LIVE REAR AXEL

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater Strawman argument. I didn't make any claims regarding any given vehicle - I said that most 7's have solid rear axles, not *THAT* vehicle has a solid rear axle. And you *CAN* adjust solid axle toe-in, dumbass - it's just *real* hard to adjust because it involves physically altering the axle. But if you know how much you want, you can permanently alter a solid axle to give the toe/caster/camber you want.

The real way to tell is watching the angle of the wheel as it articulates.

[MudBarf]

@MudBarf A solid axle's wheel will change camber as it articulates, a good independent suspension won't. You can't tell from that video if the 7 has adjustable or permanently altered toe. But why would you want toe on a *rear* axle anyway???

There isn't enough body roll (one of the things that makes the 7 so much better than those crappy barges) to truly tell because the amount of suspension articulation that occurs wouldn't produce significant amounts of camber with a live axle anyway.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf yeah like cutting and welding the axle housing and buying a differential at a specific degree tolerance and axel shafts themselves... so essentially they CAN NOT ADJUST IT THEY HAVE TO PERMANENTLY ALTER IT.... jeez use your head a little... you can change the internals to a strut and make it rebound and compress at different rates.. doesnt make it adjustable

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater Another strawman argument. I wasn't trying to claim it was adjustable, I claimed that since you can permanently alter an axle's camber/caster/toe you cannot just look at the angle a wheel is at and declare a particular car to have a particular type of axle.

Are you being deliberately fucktarded?

And just so you know, if you use the front axle from a 4x4, you can easily adjust toe. Or cut the knuckles off, re-weld them at 90 degrees, and now you can adjust camber easily. Moron.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf "And you *CAN* adjust solid axle toe-in" is not suggesting that you can "adjust" solid rear axle toe? Which is wrong... and i never said you suggested that the 7 had adjustable solid axels.. all i was saying is that you CAN NOT ADJUST sold rear axle toe... and front solid axles are not true solid because the ends have ujoints to allow the front wheels to turn. They are partial solid... We have already established that the 7 has independent and the stock cars have solid

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater Yes, the front axle *IS* a true solid axle. Now you're just making shit up. And no, we have NOT established that the 7 has independant and the stocks have solid - the opposite is true. MOST of BOTH have solid axles, and a FEW of BOTH have independant.

Moron.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf LOL you are fucking idiot i go to school for this shit... unless you want to argue with 40 instructors that out experience you 45 years each maybe you should shut your mouth.. and if you reread and actually look you can see rear toe adjustments.. and adjusting toe on a rear axle helps to steer (-) or helps with straight line stability (+).

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater You go to school for this shit, and yet you're too fucking dumb to know what goes in the steering knuckle of a front axle (NOT a fucking UJ, you dumb fucking inbred shitbag - a CV joint). And you adjust the toe on the FRONT axle to help straight line stability/steering, not the rear. Dumbass.

You have no experience whatsoever. Admit it. You're an armchair expert. You're just struggling for a way to "prove" your BS. You're another knownothing asshat.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf lol cv stands for constant velocity and MOST solid front axles have u-joints especially before the 21st century and had horrible turning radius because you would have serious problems above 10 degrees of turning. Check your facts before you sound dumb. and i have quite a bit myself for only being 19. And yes you can adjust the rear toe for straight line and steering also.. it works for both ends... research this stuff sometime man, and maybe cool off cuz you're throwing a tantrum

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater Now you're just spouting crap. I have researched this stuff, man. I've taken apart dozens of axles, and none of them have ever had a UJ in them. The fact you don't know why makes you a worthless armchair expert who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. And no, adjusting rear toe does fuck all. Do a google search, fucktard.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf constant velocity joints are not as strong as u joints hence why off road jeeps and rock climbers use them. And again a true solid live rear axle has only 2 completely solid (non turnable if thats even a word) that connect to a hub to mount the wheel and connect on the other side to a differential... look up the terms and yes when you grow up learning in shade trees you get words fucked up and mixed up because their intelligence lvls are questionable and most likely are parts changers

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater Wrong!!! I've built 4x4's. I know what goes where. You're a fucking retard if you think a UJ goes in a steering knuckle.

As for what makes a solid axle, you're making shit up again. You need to stop, you fucking moron.

And 2 completely solid what? Connecting to a hub? What the fuck are you blithering about? Are you trying to describe how the halfshafts are mounted through a non/half/full floating axle casing?

If so, stop. You obviously have no clue.

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater Lets look at some facts, shall we? Rocky road builds uprated halfshafts. So do KAM Engineering. Do they put UJ's in them, or CV's? CV's. Mitsubishi, Toyota, Land Rover, Suzuki - all build solid front axles. Every one of them uses a CV joint. NONE of them use a UJ. NONE OF THEM.

You need to stop arguing. I've torn down and rebuilt axles from Suzuki's, Toyotas and Land Rovers. They all - ALL - have CV joints. And I know what CV stands for, dumbass.

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater And considering the fact that you don't know what a fucking comma is for, or where to use a bloody capital letter, I really wouldn't be spouting crap about other people's intelligence levels.

Also, it's "which is why" not "hence why". And it's "Rock CRAWLERS" not "rock climbers".

And on the subject of looking things up, you need to look up "side gears", "splines", "half-shafts", "full-floating", "semi-floating" and "non-floating" before you try to teach about axles. Fool.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf o NOOOO GRAMMAR POLICE! Y YO GRAMMAR NO GOOD BRAH?? and who said i didnt know about floating semi floating and non floating? i was not referring to that subject since neither of the three are in the 7. unless you want to start referring to large trucks and diesel trucks where they are predominately used (floating ones if you didn't catch my drift). also tomato tomato rock crawlers rock climbers im sorry yo. and my grammar is bad cuz im english retarded with math and science as my forte

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater You're fucking dumb. YES THEY ARE IN THE 7. Fucking moron. Do a search on google for "Caterham 7", "Dax Rush", "Westfield SE" or even the "Locost" and you'll see that they predominantly use solid live rear axles. You keep claiming they don't, but I've seen them with my own eyes. Touched them with my own hands.

You're a fucking moron. You don't even know why a steering knuckle CANT have a UJ in it. I don't know about your maths, but your science is shit.

[z28snakeeater]

@MudBarf i think im done arguing... cuz obviously, as Ron White says, you can't fix stupid and I have show more than enough proof and knowledge. Just trying to help you man and maybe one day you could admit someone else knows more than you on a certain subject. My point was that this is not a fair comparison and that those stock cars were not designed for hill climbs and to judge how good "american" cars are off this video is shit.. im still not sure what your point is since you keep switchin

[MudBarf]

@z28snakeeater LOL - you've shown knowledge? Riiiiight.

You've shown proof? No, you've shown *nothing*. You aren't trying to help, you're trying to tell me what I can and can't do. I choose to compare the cars in this vid. That's my right. I choose to conclude that 7's rock, and muscles suck. I don't care what you think is fair. I'm not judging "american" cars, just muscle/stock cars.

And I don't keep switching, you do. I'm just answering your dumbass posts. Fucktard.

[MudBarf]

@iRLadyKi113r This is the comments thread of a video showing muscle cars racing 7's. It's MEANT for people to comment on the contents of the video. That content is Muscle cars vs 7's. You may not like that, but it doesn't make the comments made here "taking shit".

7's are faster than muscle cars in *every way*. They're cheaper too. So fuck you very much for your input, but you are not the comment police - we can compare whatever the fuck we like. So go feed your face to a wood chipper.

[Irrelivance]

This makes me want to go go-karting.

[noitemeiga82]

the american cars are for oval race tracks o straight race tracks

Result: European Wins!!!

[TheBazoukajoe]

Chevrolet Monte Carlo for the WIN!!!!

[Drigges1]

erinnert einen an cart´s

[tiger0tank]

Get pooped on American muscle guys, but you gotta give them props for trying to get up there, those yank tanks are heavy and handle like crap

[mak450]

man that camaro driver must feel like crap after that

[arcadia440]

Love the go-kart ... it's the perfect car for socialists.

[DtRockstar1]

Woah! That poor Camaro totally lost it!

[MrJohn1966elliott]

I think it was former NASCAR old car.

[dager8810]

@MrJohn1966elliott  No it was a old late model

[xxxxdarksidexxxx]

LOVE IT thank you for your time. From America!

[abunaiN1]

us cars cant turn !!!

[terga1]

@abunaiN1 Sure they can! Only to the left though :(

[DaSchraadz]

Die US-Bollermänner mögen zwar das Fahrverhalten einer Schüssel Quark haben, aber es bollert doch nix so schön wie ein großvolumiger V8^^

Aber der erste Caterham schnupft ja soz. die Straße auf...Wahnsinn!

Danke für den Upload. Schönes Video...as usual

[MPZRACEVIDEO]

Looks like a lot of fun to drive with openwheelers...

[EmptySoulRSR]

@MPZRACEVIDEO: Die Open - Wheeler sind aber auch mit Sicherheit weitaus schwerer zu händeln, aufgrund der Leistung in Bezug auf das Gewicht :)

[MPZRACEVIDEO]

@EmptySoulRSR

Ja, glaube ich gerne, und genau dass muss ja Spass machen denke ich...

[EmptySoulRSR]

@MPZRACEVIDEO: Da kann ich dir auch keine Antwort draufgeben :D.... fahr ja nur meinen kleinen Corsa D, und der ist bekanntlich kein Open - Wheeler.

Aber alleine wegen dieser extremen Art von Auto wird es mit Sicherheit Spaß machen :)

[gpower88]

@MPZRACEVIDEO spaß ja aber ich würde nicht so gerne mit meinem s2000 da mitfahren wollen... die dinger sind total unberechenbar!

[CF88DRUM]

@MPZRACEVIDEO

Das ist so nicht ganz richtig. Ich fahre selbst ein Caterham und die sind sogar ziemlich leicht zu fahren. Sehr viel Feedback, eine direkte Lenkung bei einer ausgeglichenen Gewichtsverteilung erlauben schon ne menge.

[motanelustelistu]

@MPZRACEVIDEO They're the most fun you can have in a car .

[AlexCluster]

that little Caterham going faster than my movie download speed

[JInnn24]

roadster ftw

[DarthSparhawk]

huh, the stock car was humiliated.

[ThePhiltastic]

the only good thing about the us cars is the sound!

[HauffMachineProducts]

@ThePhiltastic

Could I interest you in a very good sounding 1983 Pontiac trans am? I'm kidding. I wouldn't even give that pile of detroit junk to me enemy.

[motanelustelistu]

@ThePhiltastic Yeah . Exactly my point ;)

[TheAlexformula]

1:17 minets LOL))!

[Alexela56]

i love caterham.

lol the us car, only good on straight line ^^

[Adam781]

@Alexela56 Stuck in the 80's I see.

[Gilliatt83]

nice shots