Part 1 Why I left Islam, top 10 questions asked about my apostasy.

[muslimah134]

Wow u so misguided

[imvoiceless]

i really didnt get any intelligent talk from you mr speaker, your view is on how people behave? and how you see the history and is how the future will be? what are you trying to say? you need not to look at how people are or what people believe, go to the source Quran. its like me saying, becasue most people who make bmw drive ford there for bmw must be rubish and future will be ford? is this how you actually really reason?

[Orthodox786]

@imvoiceless I think we disagree here because you want arguments for or against Muhammad and the Qur'an ... you are used to a theological way of looking at things; Once you understand human beings scientifically and spiritually, you begin to find REAL truth instead of traditional beliefs from ancient scriptures/civilizations that were a primitive attempt in our ongoing evolution.

[loopydoopi]

Heeeey are you on cemb? I think i saw your profile pic. Btw fantastic video

[Orthodox786]

@loopydoopi Thanks Loopy, yes I am on CEMB :-) Thanks for the support, stay in touch!!

[raufbabarkhan]

@orthodox 786, i think u didnt study ahmadiyya view of this doctrine of hell.

[Orthodox786]

@raufbabarkhan I am well aware of the Ahmadiyya understanding of Hell and I like it. I like the Hindu concept better though.

[viprayami]

@Orthodox786 youtube.com/watch?v=_nzPQC9uTl­4

[TheOpengateway]

@Orthodox786 so when you do bad karma you go to hell? or how is it?

May allah bless you heart:)

Peace :)

[Orthodox786]

@TheOpengateway Bad karma in Hindu/Buddhist philosophy lands one with a finite/temporary consequential state of suffering ... its not infinite hell :-) ... thank you and Peace Be With you.

[viprayami]

@raufbabarkhan youtube.com/watch?v=SNraVirlP8­U&

[imagine4747]

Thank you, you are doing great work for humanity. Keep it up and know that all your distractors are too conditioned by a pernicious belief to think clearly and act humanely.

[bezzour1]

Why then in this time all attentions, all the hates, all the segregations and all the racisms are only against muslims. Even if by consideration of the number and of the nature of atrocities "White christians" has the monoply.

[bezzour1]

Look in the old testament and look in the bible, you will read a horrible stories of immorality and horror. Just read about the horror of the church wich actualt were based on the bible interpretation. "Rember I don t beleave in religion" but in a power who maintain this univers, and who dosnt need religion in order to be near by.

[bezzour1]

@ablikiwi, I do beleave taht your respond is completely wrong. The 1 europeens "white" who came ti Asia, Africa and sount America are the the christian munks, with their oun gouvernment colaboration. All the gouvrenments in Europe and USA did have the the bible in their hand when the became part of the gouvernemnt. Hitler was christian that why he hated the jews because he was blaming them for killing Jesus, and he had have support from the church or a t least he had the silence of the church.

[00ismaeL001]

Muhammad said his own father was in hell when a companion asked him where there fathers were at.

So even people who were not aware of Islam before Islam are going to suffer in hell.

[leffehoegaarden]

I can't see a reason why you wouldn't just say: "I don't believe in a god". Why do you adopt the agnostic label? If you have decided that you're unsure about gods existance you've already moved away from the positive belief that there is a god. Surely that's enough, this leaves you without the belief, absence of belief. Does "atheist" still feel like a dirty word to such a recent Islamorefugee?

[Dathinkingman]

i like the fact that you are very careful in approaching each mattter and also respectful to islam while criticiszing it . 

[exmuslimforever]

great vid... keep on going.

[albermi]

Maan,

Every word you said resonates with my rationality 100%

You are a man of integrity!

And that's why you're an agnostic..

[bezzour1]

Look my friend about the histoical facts: Christians has killed

- 6 millions jews

-600 000 japenees

-20 millions in the first war

-26 inthe second war

-39m millions in colonism area .

- 2 millions in Irak ext.

Christians had terrorised the holy world in colonialist area, they have been practising tortures, sergegation, apartheid and racism, look what had happend, in USA s.africa, in australia and in all colonised placed by christians! Tell with number how many people muslim did kill?

[ablekiwi]

@bezzour1 Firstly- Hitler was not a Christian and in fact he respected Islam so much that he recruited a Muslim regiment into the German Army, Hitler hated Christianity! The first and second world wars were political wars not Religious. Why do Muslims always presume that Western Governments represent Christianity? The USA, Australia and Britain are and have been Secular Governments for many years.

[Terranous]

@ablekiwi "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. - Hitler

You sir are a dumbass.

[ablekiwi]

@Terranous That quote is written in1922 before Hitler came into power with the Nazi party. By the time he had power and the beginning of WW2 IN 1939, he had turned against Christianity and replaced it with his own Nazi ideals! A Hitler Youth marching song- "We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel, Away with incense and Holy Water, The Church can go hang for all we care, The Swastika brings salvation on Earth". Hitler preferred the Jew hating of the Muslims more than the Love of Christ!

[Terranous]

Have you ever thought that you were taught to hate Islam as a distraction from the real problems of the world.

[ablekiwi]

@Terranous I have never been taught to 'hate Islam'. I only need to read the news in the morning or turn on the tv to see that there has been more innocent Christians murdered by Jihadists in Nigeria, or another suicide bomber in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Iraq, or another Coptic Christian killed in Egypt or another Muslim arrested in the USA or Europe for planning to kill 'infidels'. Then I turn onto Youtube and read Muslims saying, 'We will dominate the World'. I am not going to back down!

[ablekiwi]

@Terranous What are the 'real' problems of the World? Is it people dying or people suffering or people being oppressed? I am lucky to live in a free Country with plenty of employment and Social support but in many Countries like Iran, Egypt, Afghanistan, Darfur,Somalia and Pakistan, there is huge suffering. Women are oppressed and can be killed for talking with a Man who is a non relative, Corruption is rife- I feel the need to do something. I don't hate Muslims but i despise Islam!

[Terranous]

@ablekiwi Buddy I Live in America, I too don't like middle eastern policy, but there is a war coming and our people are being tricked into it.

Take it from someone who comes from a real superpower, were all just slaves, some of us just know it.

[ablekiwi]

@Terranous Hitler had much more in common with Islam! He hated the Jews and wanted to exterminate them just like Islam, he wanted to replace the Cross with the symbol of the Swastika and he wanted the Bible replaced with copies of his book 'Mein Kampf' ( From the Nazi party 'thirty point program) Hitler also said-

- "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity". He had his own 'Muslim' division in the Waffen SS and he desired to kill all Jews!

[DanGRtheMan]

@bezzour1 Yes, Christianity has created many wars - Catholic vs protestant, the Crusades, etc. But that is the nature of ABSOLUTISM. When someone believes they are 100% correct, they will more likely resort to war rather than have an HONEST DISCUSSION.

This is the case with Islam and ALL religion - Muslim vs Hindus, chopping heads in India, Kashmir, Sunni vs Shia, Conquest of Spain, North Africa, Tyranny and Slavery of the Ottomans, Muslims vs Jews vs Christians in Israel.

ABSOLUTISM = WAR.

[DanGRtheMan]

@bezzour1 If God didn't want us to fight he would have spoken to us INDIVIDUALLY, so that he could tell us how to overcome our INDIVIDUAL problems WITHOUT giving people's a religion so they will fight with others who think THEY have the correct religion.

The real way towards enlightenment is to realize that we are not perfect and must learn from our mistakes without bias and ignorance. We must realize many others are more intelligent than us and that we can learn much from others.

[zaheerift]

orthodox you are unable to understand even one word of Holy Quran, taking so litarely.

[zaheerift]

journey of Orthodox786 from light - toward darkness, from Ahmadiyya to sunni islam, sunni islam to agnostic, and next destination will be atheism and then suicide. Day by day going toward darkness

[ramio1983]

Brother a lot of people leave religions because of the thought of hell. Allah will not punish one beyond the scope that they earn of it. According to Hadiths Allah will rescue people from hell even after they are put in it. The fact is we live in a world of injustice- where the guilty are set free and the innocent oppressed, true justice is with Allah and know that he will never punish anyone unjustly or for no cause. In our faith its easy , be the best person you can be-leave it to Allah bro.

[Orthodox786]

@ramio1983 Torture by itself is not ethical, especially when ALL human beings behave the way they do because of predetermined circumstances that guided them to that behavior and on top of that a metaphysical entity called shaytaan that further tempts them to do evil ... To say Allah will stop torturing some does not solve the problem of torture or the problem that some will be tortured endlessly.

[farhan00]

I made excuses earlier but its clear to me now that you're anti-Islam.

If you see worship as just ritual and wasting time and instead that someone can enjoy their life, I honestly feel bad for you. :-(

[Orthodox786]

@farhan00 Hey Farhan, the thing is if there is no Allah of the Quran to care about us doing rituals then wouldn't it be a waste of time? I remember feeling so guilty because I missed some Salah and after being liberated I realized how wrong I was for thinking that God is not happy with me. I used to think that bad things happened in my life because I did not concentrate enough in Salah. I don't have to think that any more.

[Orthodox786]

@farhan00 Maybe I've been listening to too much Christopher Hitchens since his demise that my passion to stand up against Islam has grown, but anti-Islam, yes, anti-Muslim and anti-Wisdom from Islam, not at all. I think there is a ton of wisdom in Islam and I think Muslims are great people who can benefit from that wisdom. But at the end of the day Islam is detrimental to human civilization more than it is a benefit. There are alternative ways for spirituality and discipline.

[farhan00]

Farhan, I sent you an email. Come to the event this weekend.

If you come, I might skip out on the wedding I'm supposed to attend at the same time.

[Ikhwanalsafa]

Excellent video - thanks!

[sabrinacoolest]

HI Farhan , wanted did you read and understood Quran by English translation or you can you understand classical Arabic to understand Quran?

[Orthodox786]

@sabrinacoolest I don't speak Fusha Arabi, and understand little words in it, but I never knew that you had to know Fusha Arabi in order to be a true Muslim? sabrina, the issue of hell is too overwhelming to ignore. How can any human being not believe within the depths of themselves that creating Hell has to be the most wicked thing Allah could possibly do?

[bneitsch]

@Orthodox786 Hell wasn't created for MAN. That is a misconception. But sin caused man to be Lorded over by darkness. I agree wih some of what youre saying but how can we look at nature and say there was no designer...

[Orthodox786]

@bneitsch I believe in the existence of God ... but not the Abrahamic God who is a Person that chooses to allow and cause grotesque suffering at times to "test" people as if we are an experiment or zoo or entertainment program and on top of that an eternal and endless torture for those who chose the wrong religion or lack thereof ... in other words for thought crime (does that even make sense?) ...

[Hamza5274]

Your knowledge of Quran Hadith is very weak if u actually looked in to it the answers are clear and very convincing

[Orthodox786]

@Hamza5274, the only argument I really used in this video was the argument against Hell, how is my knowledge of Quran and Ahadith weak if both Quran and Ahadith clearly depict a gross and extreme torture for eternity? I don't see your correlation.

[mabdullahaslam]

I am Muslim n I disagree with your thoughts but I love your act of being sincere because if U will sincerely keep doing your research honestly then U will get ur answers like me. I also went through same stage first Muslim then almost Atheist and then find real Islam because my every question was just answered osumly in my head by Islam. Just ask to GOD that if U are there i want to turn 2 u just guide me. Note: don't be bias 4 being non-believer or 4 being believer. Just be honest to find anser

[Orthodox786]

@mabdullahaslam Thanks for the advice bro, I appreciate it. I would rather see it as Islam having truth and wisdom within it, but brother, the doctrine of Hell cannot be defended. I'm not sure how we can possibly reconcile this problem.

[bravoguypk]

@Orthodox786

The concept of Heaven and Hell exhibits the sense of accountability. Quran is not the 'philosopher only' book. It is for all times and for all intellectual levels. it is essential to present the sense of accountability in a clear to understand effective way. To me Heaven and Hell is the simplest way to discourage people about bad deeds and encourages the good. It is your spiritual ethical development which will ultimately decide the outcome.

[bravoguypk]

@Orthodox786

God Almighty has given a hint that the hell may not last for ever. Although it is just a hint, it helps overcoming the problem you have pointed out.

Quran 11:106,7

As for those who are wretched, they will be in the Fire, sighing in a high and low tone. They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord wills. Verily, your Lord is the doer of what He wills.

(ponder on the words 'heavens and the earth endure')

[Orthodox786]

@bravoguypk Its a far stretch to say it is not eternal according to Islam, I think the evidence for it being an infinite torture is far more stronger; but even if it were temporary, one has to question whether torture as a punishment is evil ethical.

[bravoguypk]

@Orthodox786

it is not far stretch, some hadiths also suggest that. It is not evil to punish some one on his/her crimes. Infact its a mercy and justice for the victims. Otherwise no criminal will have any fear and no pious will have any hope. Like you I also have researched and still researching on many different opinions. from bible to bhagvad gita, from richard dawkins to osho, from Quran to the teachings of guru nanak,Dhammapada etc. It is only after that i come to my current understanding.

[bravoguypk]

@Orthodox786

Although your selection of words sound profound, still i have the feeling that u r repeating the same mistake u once did that is defending a belief set for identity. I may be wrong but i request u to study Quran one more time and make notes, pose questions. Rite now you sounds like u have already have a rock solid conclusion which u will defend by hook or crook. Remember there are many other whose research led them to enter in Islam. So be open and un biased.

[Orthodox786]

@bravoguypk I think truth discovery is an ongoing process for the individual and for humanity at large. I don't think I have arrived at a conclusion at all, rather broadened my scope of possibilities with a premise of not knowing, agnosticism. I would not want to deprive myself of Islam if it is the ultimate reality and will certainly continue to benefit from the wisdom from it.

[bravoguypk]

@Orthodox786

good to know that. However we all need to be truthful to ourselves. Human are good in fooling themselves by different philosophies or arguments. I born in a Muslim family but becomes a believer after my years long sincere unbiased research. Quran in my opinion is the most wonderful book i ever came across. The more you ponder on the verses the deeper message u will get. It is extremely simple even for a layman and extremely profound for a person of higher intellect.

[Orthodox786]

@bravoguypk The argument that I will elaborate on, based on determinism, says that everyone is a product of their circumstances, therefore we take a criminal away from society to protect society from that person and to rehabilitate, not punish that person, because ultimately their behavior is not their fault .... long argument, and not enough text :-/

[bravoguypk]

@Orthodox786 The distinction of doing good or evil is not because of the observational knowledge. It is rather present in the Self (subconscious) of every human being. u ask a person of a remote african tribe or a guy from newyork. Both will tell u that killing an innocent is evil and saving someone is good. Telling lie is bad and saying truth is good. Human ethical behavior is not the product but yes society and other factor does have its effects. Long argument.

[karikon11]

@bravoguypk thank you for saying that ethical behavior is in our nature and not based on religous systam.

[bravoguypk]

@karikon11

this is not me who says that, it is the Quran which states that.

Quran(97)

By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it;

So He inspired it to its impiety and piety!

Truly he succeeds that purifies it,

And he fails that corrupts it!

[Orthodox786]

@bravoguypk Threatening us poor unfortunate creatures with the worst conceivable experience of eternal torture to make people do good and believe is just an awful way of creating a system and dealing with it ... God is better than this .... as far as accountability you would have to understand determinism as far as human behavior is concerned ... 

[faro0485]

A temporal lobe insensitive has never read quran 40:35, and has succumbed to propaganda.

Criminal Justice system is what!?!?

Health care improving!?!?

So when were you a muslim? You don't sound like you have any inkling of islamic knowledge. Ah it was you identity... errr... and here I thought it was submission to God, ie oath ie agreement.

/watch?v=K2TZOAENUhs

Problem of hell? Quran 50:30 end of story, /watch?v=auSaNM1X1rM

[Orthodox786]

@faro0485 ref the criminal justice sys: forensic science works, the judicial system is as good as it can be given the fallibility of humans - we can't live in a utopia ... health care, again medical technology is amazing! Eventually there will be nanobots that fight diseases, if that's not amazing then what world are you living in? As far as Quran 50:30, its only about Hell asking for more people?? The alligator video was funny tho!

[faro0485]

@Orthodox786 Politics is where we observe whether something a technocrat propagates bears any truth in reality. /watch?v=ktAdh2f-q8A

Hell asks for more? The alligator video is a tafsir of that verse.

[TheAhmadiyyacult]

He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement."

(16-106)

[TheAhmadiyyacult]

The fact you quote Rumi, shows how confused you are.

God have mercy on you.

[Orthodox786]

@TheAhmadiyyacult Rumi to me was not even Muslim, he was totally a mystic; his whirling meditation is not Islamic either. Rumi was his own man my friend.

[TheAhmadiyyacult]

@Orthodox786

That says it all, you dont even think he was Muslim.

I gotta love for your my friend, you are a sweet guy. But forgive me when I say I think you are all over the place in your ideas.

Rumi and the Sufi Tradition is a book you might want to read.

I hope that God picks you out of this

[DivineLove247]

May Allah bless you to see through satans deception, and enable you to come back to the path ordained by our creator, ameen

[DivineLove247]

God being the creator of everything,

it is God who decides what is right and wrong,

it is God who tells us what is moral, not us humans!

As horrifying as Hell, and it punishments are, The idea is we would want to save ourselves from such Hell, not close our eyes to it or deny it as you have done, thereby guranteeing yourself hell if you die in your present state,

M

[Orthodox786]

@DivineLove247 but if our morals are superior then any hypothetical God claiment then there is a problem. Hence the problem of Hell and the problem of evil and suffering. The moment you say God is making a choice to allow suffering and evil and that God is creating a system where people are tortured for eternity you are saying God is a tyrannical arrogant evil dictator by definition.

[DivineLove247]

@Orthodox786 Allah is not tyrannical arrogant evil,

The Quran says there are things which we think are good for us, but Allah says they are bad for us, while there are things which we think are bad for us, but are infact good for us!

Does that makes sense to our LIMITED SENSES,the honest answer should be no! but because Allah is the past,the present,the future, he knows all wisdom.

We humans are in no position to make judgmnent on god, and say he is tyrannical arrogant evil

[Orthodox786]

@DivineLove247 You're not seeing the bigger picture DivineLove, the idea that there is Divine wisdom is a cop out, its simply avoiding the reality of it and saying well maybe we dont understand but its good for us .... the fact that God created a system where people would be tortured for eternity is what the problem is. Annihilation would be better than eternal torture. At least be merciful enough to annihilate/cause disbelievers to not exist, why torture them let alone for eternity.

[DivineLove247]

@Orthodox786 the bigger picture for a believer should be,

There is a creator,

That creator wants me to do A B C, no matter if i can not understand the full wisdom of it or not,

that creator whose signiture is all around us, in the earth,trees, seas, moon,space etc,

has made hell for disbelivers to live in it FOREEVER, with no death,

I am in no position to CHALLENGE Gods plan of Hell,all i can do is do my best to try not to end in it.

I pray Allah has mercy on you.

[Orthodox786]

@DivineLove247 We can believe in a creator without the need to have repetitive up and down rituals in Fusha Arabi or the need to go to Makkah and make circuits around a black cude, kiss a black stone, throw rocks at a devil statue, and run between two mountains to mimic a story where God told his Prophet to kill his own son for God ... how awful is it for God to command Abraham something like that even if he took it back? You don't need organized religion to believe in God.

[DivineLove247]

@Orthodox786 As a muslim, we should be happy with the desicion of God.

IF any person ends in hell, then that is not Gods fault, it is infact that persons arragance which prevented him from living his life the way his creator made him to live, as a result of that persons denial of his god, he earns himself a place in hell,

I blame that individual for ending in hell, but you want to blame god for that persons free choice to disbelieve.

[Orthodox786]

@DivineLove247 Being happy with God torturing people for eternity is no small issue. It's almost like saying that Dr. King should have just been happy with black people being segregated, at least they weren't slaves anymore, right? Its God's fault that He created a system where people will be tortured for eternity. That is God's personal choice to have created such a system. No finite, limited human creature deserves to enter hell - at all. Plus, I'd argue that free-will is an illusion.

[DivineLove247]

@Orthodox786 I understand what you are saying my dear brother,

however this questioning about god is a plot by satan to make a kaffir out of you, as is the who made GOD?

God is merciful, that those entering Hell will have 9 times more evil then good on the scales, which will cause them to enter hell,

We Humans are a creation, and God is the creator, hence he is the master,

and like slaves we must obey ,

Sorry there is no Dr king to liberate us, only Dr satan to mislead us!

[Orthodox786]

@DivineLove247 And that makes it even harder, why does God allow satan, why did God create satan, choose to sustain and maintain satan's existence to cause all of this? Also slavery and the slave-master relationship is an awful way of looking at our relation to the Divine ... I understand the Quran CLAIMS God is merciful but the book must be contradicting itself with many other things it says.

[Orthodox786]

@DivineLove247 you can believe in God without organized religion :-) no more rituals, no more unnecessary guilt

[HaXaKgamer]

what a joke point about hell, study islam next time it might help you

[Orthodox786]

@HaXaKgamer care to tell me how the doctrine of hell makes sense to you morally?

[TrueHealth27]

I know that most Muslims believe in hell LITERALLY (which I agree with you is not healthy/coherent/consistent given an Infinitely Compassionate, Creative, Loving Allah). However, I believe that a most holistic way of understanding the 'mind-technique'/'disciplinary­-device' that is 'hell' (used in contrast to the 'mind-technique'/'disciplinary­-device' that is 'Allah/Jennah') is to frame it in terms of the sense that 'All the world's a stage/Allah's great saga/book/novel'.

[TrueHealth27]

@TrueHealth27 Hence, certain 'CHARACTERS/IDENTITY-SPACES' will be proven ... 'wrong' in a Holistic/big-picture sense; which, given the irony that the most 'confident' 'in charge' 'love to control and be right' folks will be amongst said 'wrong' ones, will be, for THEM particularly painful/hellish GIVEN the aspects of their identities rooted in 'pride of 'rightness'/'self-righteousnes­s' ...

[TrueHealth27]

@TrueHealth27 THUS said vivid, torturous imagery of hell is frameable as ANALOGY; describing the fact that, once their energy is brought back to the Tawhid, and they see the bigger picture, their smaller-self-righteous IDENTITY will melt away/be-annihilated (and, ironically/painfully-for-THEM, this tends to be the part of themselves in the earthly realm that was SO confident/proud/aspiring-towar­ds-eternal-life-or-invincibili­ty).

[TrueHealth27]

@TrueHealth27 ... Hence, that's why they're acting 'off'/non-holistically/non-taw­hidically -- 'they' THINK 'they' 'know' what 'they're' doing ... but they're really clinging to their SMALLER selves; the part that melts away in the Holistic Truth ... Allah allows people to 'choose' said aspects of IDENTITY for the sake of our reaching the greater Ilm/Enlightenment/Nirvana (the whole purpose as humans); for contrast leads to insight into behaviors that are more (vs less) aligned with Ilm.

[TrueHealth27]

@TrueHealth27 YET, the usefulness of the technique/analogy of envisioning Allah as 'Writer of the Book/Novel/Saga/Stage-Play' of existence is that therein, we can see that She (i.e. Allah/Tawhid/Zero-Point-Field-­Energy/Infinitely-Creative-Lov­e/The-Holistic-Ultimate-State-­to-Which-All-Energy-Returns), by definition, will be the One to put the ending Period on the LAST sentence of this 'tale'. And that, in fact, being timeless, She already has. We can take comfort in that ...

[faro0485]

@TrueHealth27 /watch?v=auSaNM1X1rM Quran 50:30 .... and by the way, we call things that we control as feminine.

[TrueHealth27]

@faro0485 Thank you for the Sura reference. And I understand that Muslims traditionally/conventionally refer to the Tawhid (Allah) as 'He' ... I embrace and respect that convention when speaking with those who identify as such. But, since this YTer does not, I thought I'd utilize the 'She' article (given that, ultimately, the Tawhid is both AND neither male and female; It is ALL and None) ... See Sura 112 ...

[faro0485]

@TrueHealth27 No we do not use she even in the English language unless amongst those who worship something that serves them when there is no gender.

[Gnomefro]

@TrueHealth27 There is a much simpler way of dealing with it - declaring the nonsense to self contradictory and therefore false. It's a pretty good procedure, because then you won't have to embarrass yourself trying to construe the supporter of rape,plunder and slavery in the Qur'an with Zero point fields, love or creativity and, more importantly, you won't be supporting tons of dangerous people who interpret the Qur'an honestly.

[TrueHealth27]

@Gnomefro As a doctoral student of science education (thus now studying the philosophy, history and sociology of science -- topics I was deprived of when almost attaining a PhD in biology), I find the scientific-aesthetic of 'parsimony' (i.e. the simplest answer is ALWAYS the 'best') to be problematic in certain respects with regards to the holistic pursuit of underlying truth/reality. Sometimes it aligns thereto, but sometimes it does not; thus should not be applied (given said goal).