Ken Buck is a nasty man, everything he said were complete lies.
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Now he is baffled by why he lost? Doesn't he understand that taking away women's rights and being a BIG spending Republican are never going to make it in Colorado? Nobody here wants Republicans or Tea Party people, this state is educated, not part of the Bible belt... he totally overlooked that simple fact.
...... ok i'm confused........ HOW CAN U PEOPLE LIKE KEN BUCK!!!!!!! HE WAS TRYING TO STOP WOMEN TO GET ABORTIONS!!!!!!! EVEN WHEN THEY GET RAPED!!!!! HE PINES IT ON THE WOMEN AND SAYS THEY ASKED FOR IT!!!!! PLUSE, HE FREES THE RAPPER!!!!! THATS Y HE IS NOT COLORADOS SENATER!!!!!!
thanks ken buck for giving me the best halloween custom this year, your ignorance and stone age views got me free drink all night by babes.........ya fucking twat waffle!!!!
Take the health care bill for example. Several people have posted here that they oppose the "government takeover of health care" despite the fact that didn't "take over" even a little bit of the health care market. There isn't even a public option! IMO, there ought to be a single payer system like they have in the rest of the civilized world (MEDICARE and the VA are WAY less expensive and more efficient than private health insurance), but anyway, the bill that they hate so much NEVER EXISTED!
@youngzeegy - Medicare pays less money for fewer options. Having managed a medical office, I'm no fan of private insurance, but they're at least a lot better than the government programs.
You're saying there's no "public option," (which isn't true, we've had Medicaid for a long time, for example, but it's not new), so therefore a "government takeover" didn't happen. But it's a straw man argument. You imply that the only way government could take power over our health care would be to go to...
... a single payer system. You're simply lacking in understanding of the issue. Government regulations have taken place of our personal choices. Now it's not the insurance company OR the consumer who gets choice, but bureaucrats.
By disproving the idea of a single payer system you've disproved an argument no one is making. Good job.
But thanks to the law, us adults in America are paying much more for our health insurance or losing it altogether, thanks to government. That's a problem. No?
@Unhindered A) You don't have to pay more for treatment of a pre-existing condition, you get to pay a lot less, because now you can buy insurance that covers it!
B) Obviously those who don't fit into this category will have to pay more to cover those people's costs, but it seems only fair that we should as a society share the burden of keeping each other healthy (AHHH SCARY SOCIALISM!!! I MUST BE MAO OR STALIN!!!!)
C) I have problems with the health care bill too. For one, the costs wouldn't be
@youngzeegy I see you're ignorant of the very basics of how insurance works. Insurance covers pre-existing conditions now. Where does that money come from? Your monthly premium. So your monthy premiums are going up to cover pre-existing conditions.
It's as if you think the insurance company, like the liberals in Washington, can just print money to pay for things. That's not accurate. They can only pay for medical expenses by your premium.
Secondly, you seem to believe that you should not have to be responsible for paying your own bills and that I should (and everyone else in society or the world). This avoidance of taking personal responsibility is one of the unfortunate liberal ideas. You say that it is the civilized world that has socialized medicine, but being an immigrant from a socialized country, it seems I know more than you about this. Canada, the UK and other countries are backing away from their socialized medicine.
@youngzeegy Polls of Americans found that most Americans had a good or excellent view of their health insurance and treatment as well. Polling doesn't necessarily correlate with what's best for people (simple because they prefer it), but in this case you can't even make your point.
Those in charge of the socialized medicine in Canada and the UK are realizing the problems inherent in the system and are trying to figure out how to get out of the mess the Democrats are eager to get into here.
@Unhindered ... increasing like they are if it weren't left to private companies to cover the costs of these treatments. Like I said we ought to have single payer health care like the civilized world.
D) We have a public option in Medicaid only for the EXTREMELY poor. That is completely different from a public option for anyone who can't afford private insurance, which is completely different from a public option for everyone, which is also completely different from single payer insurance. ...
@Unhindered ... E) I know that I can't disprove a "government takeover" by simply saying that we have no single payer system or public option, but I am saying that government has no more of a role in the administration of health care than it did before the bill! These government bureaucrats you speak of - who are they and what are they doing?
F) The regulations that the bill imposes are akin to the regulations that prevent companies from selling ground beef that's been stretched out with sawdust
@youngzeegy "The regulations that the bill imposes are akin to the regulations that prevent companies from selling ground beef that's been stretched out with sawdust"
That doesn't make sense at all. Either it sounded better in your head or you need to explain that better. Requiring an insurance company to raise premiums to cover x, y, and z, and requiring all Americans to buy health insurance or be fined (and eventually go to jail) is the same as preventing someone from selling poisoned food?
@Unhindered The bill prevents health insurance companies for denying coverage of treatment of pre-existing conditions or denying coverage for any of the other insane made up reasons that they like to. That practice is analogous to selling criminally poor quality meat, in that it is swindling the consumer to save money. It's not so complicated.
@Unhindered Also, did you know that, in addition to health insurance, the government also makes you buy highways?! and student loans?! and war planes?! That's the whole point of taxes; to make sure a portion of our money is spent for the common good. Similarly, with the health care bill, the government is merely making sure that we spend a certain portion of our money for the common good i.e. increasing the number of insurance buyers so the cost goes down.
@Unhindered ... i.e. screwing us to save money (denying coverage).
G) Go to the retirement home and ask them about how horrible they think medicare is and how they just wish they could have a good ol' HMO. 20-30% of private health insurance costs go to profit and administrative costs. 2-3% of medicare costs go to administrative expenses, and none to profit. They're not paying less for fewer options, they're paying less because they're not paying the salaries of executives!
@youngzeegy Perhaps you've gone to retirement homes and asked people about their perception of Medicare. I doubt it, as most would complain that fewer and fewer doctors are accepting it because Medicare pays doctors less and less instead of even keeping with inflation.
Many seniors have chosen private options over Medicare. Medicare gives the premium to the private insurance that can make the money go further.
Medicare loses money every year and adds to our national debt. Great process!
@Unhindered The polling data totally belies your argument. Old people love Medicare! Why? It works! So what if it adds a little to the deficit? It's worth it for the good it does. Anyway, we're the wealthiest country in the world and we have a AAA bond rating. We're never going to default on our debt so it's really not that big a deal if we're running on a deficit.
@Unhindered SUMMARY: I haven't heard anything from you that I haven't heard from other opponents of the bill. I still find your position fatally lacking in specifics (What SPECIFIC government bureaucrats will deny what SPECIFIC people what SPECIFIC choices?) Anyway, I'm still a proponent of the single-payer system because those providing us treatment shouldn't be using our ailments as a vehicle for their own profit, but this reform is still an improvement over what we had.
@youngzeegy With your fundamental misunderstanding of insurance (private and public), I don't imagine you'd notice if I said something different. I've read good portions of the health care bill, which outline appointed (not elected) bureaucrats mandating what a health care plan must cost, penalties on individuals for choosing to pay cash instead of pay with insurance, etc.
Clearly you haven't read the bill, so it's clear you don't understand what's going on.
1: price of insurance is controlled by the insurance companies not the consumers.
2: I doubt that many are too eager to opt to pay for their $100,000 surgical procedure in cash.
Before this bill though, those without insurance or those who were denied coverage of the procedure because it treated a preexisting condition would have had to pay out of pocket. Now you have to pay a higher premium so the people who can't afford that procedure (most) are covered and dont die.
@Unhindered I think a couple of my comments were not posted. If it turns out they were, I apologize for redundancy. 1) I understand how premiums work, my point was that if Joe Schmo was previously being denied coverage for a pre-existing condition, healthcare costs have suddenly gone way down for him, and I don't see a problem with you having to pay a higher premium so this can happen.
2) If social welfare programs are so bad, why is social mobility so high in France and Denmark?
What seems so alarming to me about the supporters of Buck and similar candidates is not that they're so opinionated, or even that their opinions are so extreme, but the fact that their opinions are based in such broad, vague ideas. The problem that arises is that they believe what they do so wholeheartedly, but can't articulate a defense of their position that's specific and coherent.
@youngzeegy - That can only be said if: 1) You've never had a real conversation with a conservative which is quite possible as your teachers and professors are by a wide majority liberal.
2) You assume anyone who disagrees with you is incoherent by definition.
So when did a bill that had a UHC in it get pass? Because "Obamacare" is the complete opposite of that bill. It gives more business to PRIVATE health insurance companies.
@mecher3k You're quite correct. Obama blew it. But the right side of the aisle didn't help him much. We should've gone the single-payor route. But people seem to think that health care is in industry rather than a social concern.
@mecher3k "Nationalized healthcare?" - have you read the 2 thousand page bill? If you did, you'd know what he's talking about. If you haven't, maybe you shouldn't be condescending.
How the fuck did the bill nationalized healthcare? Tell me you moron.
It only gives more business to private insurance companies, nothing else. There is no public option, that right there means no nationalized healthcare.
You fucking idiot, do some god damn research if that is even possible for your stupid ass.
@IndigoVagrant Again, distortion of the facts. The first ammendment is very clear that the government cannot make a law against a religion, nor make a state religion. This is a very clear legal definition on where church and state should be seperated, but the phrase "seperation of church and state" is a concept, not a legal definition. It has been misused to overreach by those who want the religion of Atheism to be the State religion in violation of the 1st Ammendment.
@kormathaw Religion of atheism? How high are you right now? We are supposed to be a secular nation. No one wants to force you to atheist, we just don't want government in religion any religion, as required by law. & The separation of church & state is the establishment clause. The government may not endorse any religion.
@kormathaw Atheism isn't a religion. It is the lack of religion. If the State lacks a religion, then that simply means things are determined on the basis of reality,.
A government can't be "Atheist". It isn't a person. It is like calling a business that has policies that aren't guided by religion, but rather just reasonable rules an "atheist business".
It is also like calling evolution an "atheist belief", when evolution is not by any means antithetical to the possibility of a creator.
@IndigoVagrant who wrote "Atheism isn't a religion. " - but Evangelicals say Christianity isn't a religion, it's a "relationship" and Buddhists say Buddhism is a "lifestyle."
While it's convenient to exempt your own "cause, principle, or system of beliefs" from being a religion, it's disingenuous.
To say that your worldview is "reality" is the same as a Christian or Buddhist would say about their worldview. You're failing in making your argument.
@Unhindered Why should our government make decisions based off ethnocentric, unilateral worldviews? Our constitution is supposed to protect against that.
@IndigoVagrant He believes in the constitutional prohibition of the government not instituting religion, no? If he believes in that, what are you arguing about?
Ken Buck is exactly right. We as American citizens did all we could to let our "representatives" in Congress know that we didn't want the socialized healthcare, yet they (the Democrats) passed it, smiling all the way. But they're going to be thrown from their high perches for going against OUR WILL, and they should expect nothing less from us, for their obvious disrespect & disregard of us "little" people.
We're NOT little- and we're going to prove who's boss this election!
@Gerts4th Actually a plurality of Americans do want socialized healthcare. & The democrats never even suggested it let alone passed it. Not that truth matters to the likes of you.
Sorry Buck, they ignored you and your extremist ilks' bulk email and phone bank assaults. Some of us wrote thoughtful respectful letters to Michael Bennet and co. about improving health care in this country, and they listened to us!
@strcastwy We're all for improving healthcare. The problem is 70% of the American people think costs are the problem. Your 30% believe 12 million uninsured illegal aliens are the problem. Your "solution" increased our costs. How is your "solution" going to pay for these 12 million now that the cost to insure them just went up 20% too? Lower the costs, and we can start affording to help the hopeless. Increase costs and you make us all hopeless.
Lower the costs means people being insured. That is one of, if not the biggest, reasons why our health care costs are so high with no benefit over other nations.
@mecher3k who wrote "our health care costs are so high with no benefit over other nations" - Isn't it curious, then, that whenever people from another nation who has socialized medicine needs better care they come to America to pay for it? How do you explain this while saying there's no benefit over other nations' health care systems?
@strcastwy Isn't it nice that a politician "listened" to those who agreed with what he was going to do anyway?
I wrote thoughtful letters as well, so no need to stereotype and call the majority of the country "extremist ilk." By definition, can the majority be the extreme? Perhaps by the numbers and averages, you (with your ilk) are the extremist.
@colawman Just like the argument about church & state, your "belief" has nothing to do with anything. The fact is that if he's eligible, he has the right to vote. I believe there should be an education restriction to weed out the morons who opted not to finish high school. But what I believe doesn't matter.
Buck seems ok, but there are a couple of things i didnt like. One, he is not pro choice in rape and incest cases. Two, he didnt answer Q13 on Campaign for Liberties questionnaire. The question was?
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@PORTUGAL1010 You do realize that we are a representative democracy right? Which is a form of democratic republic? Of course not. How are you going to call the constitution unconstitutional?
@Fuctmentality wrote "we are a representative democracy ... How are you going to call the constitution unconstitutional?"
That's a silly thing to say. How many times does the constitution use the word democracy or democratic? 0. Not once. Don't pretend you know the constitution and then say things like this.
@Unhindered How many times does the constitution mention the word gun? I have read the bill, it didn't nationalize healthcare. Ignore reality all you want we are what Madison called a representative democracy. You right wingers always think you can just ignore facts, & you can, but I really wish you wouldn't.
They will ignore us no more only if enough Democrats are defeated. Republicans aren't perfect but they have never ignored the will of the people like Democrats proved they will.
@Txbertie You're right, they just lie to manufacture consent of the people. Oh wait, that's not exactly true the Republicans refused to allow health care reform to pass with a public option & the majority of people wanted the government to continue functioning, Republicans just lie to get the will of the people, & unfortunately the people are dumb enough to fall for it.
@Fuctmentality You're young. You're just repeating things you've heard and accept as true but you're wrong. Republicans didn't have the votes to "refuse" anything. Clearly even after Scott Brown won in Massachusetts. But mostly, the American people aren't dumb! People don't need to know everything, understand thousands of pages of legislation to know right from wrong. Democrat lies, failure, and refusal to listen to the people, this penchant for calling us names, will be rejected Tues.
@Txbertie Um, how am I wrong? THis may surprise you but people expect the democrats to be a divided party, they don't expect record filibusters, they don't expect to see Republicans filibustering tax cuts. & Yes the American people are stupid. All people are stupid. & Seriously what lies? What refusal to listen to people?
@Fuctmentality I could explain it to you but I can't understand it for you. I suggest you spend some time reading, watching, listening, learning and when you realize that you know nothing compared to the combined wisdom of the American people perhaps you'll be able to see past the lies you've been told. Perhaps you'll be able to see the truth and even learn to think for yourself. But if you are as you say, "All people are stupid" well, I'm very sorry. Good luck.
I hope u "Choose to be gay" and your own laws you support invalidate you marriage.
TheVideoVector 1 year ago
Ken Buck is a nasty man, everything he said were complete lies.
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Now he is baffled by why he lost? Doesn't he understand that taking away women's rights and being a BIG spending Republican are never going to make it in Colorado? Nobody here wants Republicans or Tea Party people, this state is educated, not part of the Bible belt... he totally overlooked that simple fact.
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Shame on anyone who voted for this unethical man.
gennnica 1 year ago
BOO KEN BUCK!!! the right politicians always win! KEN BUCK IS NOT RIGHT FOR COLORADO. THANK GOD HE LOST!!
Tacoflavoredkiss1 1 year ago
...... ok i'm confused........ HOW CAN U PEOPLE LIKE KEN BUCK!!!!!!! HE WAS TRYING TO STOP WOMEN TO GET ABORTIONS!!!!!!! EVEN WHEN THEY GET RAPED!!!!! HE PINES IT ON THE WOMEN AND SAYS THEY ASKED FOR IT!!!!! PLUSE, HE FREES THE RAPPER!!!!! THATS Y HE IS NOT COLORADOS SENATER!!!!!!
AnimeFreakazoid11117 1 year ago
If the Tea Party candidates win, they're gonna party like it's 1949!!! Get ready to fight to keep your civil rights!!! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
mrbucketface 1 year ago
Buck believes that many women who get raped asked for it.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
thanks ken buck for giving me the best halloween custom this year, your ignorance and stone age views got me free drink all night by babes.........ya fucking twat waffle!!!!
wjklein 1 year ago
If a young lady is raped, Ken Buck believes she probably asked for it.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
@DillonDee1 - When lying is all you've got to argue against a candidate, you probably just shouldn't say anything.
Unhindered 1 year ago
Take the health care bill for example. Several people have posted here that they oppose the "government takeover of health care" despite the fact that didn't "take over" even a little bit of the health care market. There isn't even a public option! IMO, there ought to be a single payer system like they have in the rest of the civilized world (MEDICARE and the VA are WAY less expensive and more efficient than private health insurance), but anyway, the bill that they hate so much NEVER EXISTED!
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@youngzeegy - Medicare pays less money for fewer options. Having managed a medical office, I'm no fan of private insurance, but they're at least a lot better than the government programs.
You're saying there's no "public option," (which isn't true, we've had Medicaid for a long time, for example, but it's not new), so therefore a "government takeover" didn't happen. But it's a straw man argument. You imply that the only way government could take power over our health care would be to go to...
Unhindered 1 year ago
... a single payer system. You're simply lacking in understanding of the issue. Government regulations have taken place of our personal choices. Now it's not the insurance company OR the consumer who gets choice, but bureaucrats.
By disproving the idea of a single payer system you've disproved an argument no one is making. Good job.
But thanks to the law, us adults in America are paying much more for our health insurance or losing it altogether, thanks to government. That's a problem. No?
Unhindered 1 year ago
@Unhindered A) You don't have to pay more for treatment of a pre-existing condition, you get to pay a lot less, because now you can buy insurance that covers it!
B) Obviously those who don't fit into this category will have to pay more to cover those people's costs, but it seems only fair that we should as a society share the burden of keeping each other healthy (AHHH SCARY SOCIALISM!!! I MUST BE MAO OR STALIN!!!!)
C) I have problems with the health care bill too. For one, the costs wouldn't be
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@youngzeegy I see you're ignorant of the very basics of how insurance works. Insurance covers pre-existing conditions now. Where does that money come from? Your monthly premium. So your monthy premiums are going up to cover pre-existing conditions.
It's as if you think the insurance company, like the liberals in Washington, can just print money to pay for things. That's not accurate. They can only pay for medical expenses by your premium.
Unhindered 1 year ago
Secondly, you seem to believe that you should not have to be responsible for paying your own bills and that I should (and everyone else in society or the world). This avoidance of taking personal responsibility is one of the unfortunate liberal ideas. You say that it is the civilized world that has socialized medicine, but being an immigrant from a socialized country, it seems I know more than you about this. Canada, the UK and other countries are backing away from their socialized medicine.
Unhindered 1 year ago
@Unhindered Google "Canada health care poll" and select the second link down.
Canadians don't seem to favor backing away from their current system at all.
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@youngzeegy Polls of Americans found that most Americans had a good or excellent view of their health insurance and treatment as well. Polling doesn't necessarily correlate with what's best for people (simple because they prefer it), but in this case you can't even make your point.
Those in charge of the socialized medicine in Canada and the UK are realizing the problems inherent in the system and are trying to figure out how to get out of the mess the Democrats are eager to get into here.
Unhindered 1 year ago
@Unhindered ... increasing like they are if it weren't left to private companies to cover the costs of these treatments. Like I said we ought to have single payer health care like the civilized world.
D) We have a public option in Medicaid only for the EXTREMELY poor. That is completely different from a public option for anyone who can't afford private insurance, which is completely different from a public option for everyone, which is also completely different from single payer insurance. ...
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@Unhindered ... E) I know that I can't disprove a "government takeover" by simply saying that we have no single payer system or public option, but I am saying that government has no more of a role in the administration of health care than it did before the bill! These government bureaucrats you speak of - who are they and what are they doing?
F) The regulations that the bill imposes are akin to the regulations that prevent companies from selling ground beef that's been stretched out with sawdust
youngzeegy 1 year ago
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@youngzeegy "The regulations that the bill imposes are akin to the regulations that prevent companies from selling ground beef that's been stretched out with sawdust"
That doesn't make sense at all. Either it sounded better in your head or you need to explain that better. Requiring an insurance company to raise premiums to cover x, y, and z, and requiring all Americans to buy health insurance or be fined (and eventually go to jail) is the same as preventing someone from selling poisoned food?
Unhindered 1 year ago
@Unhindered The bill prevents health insurance companies for denying coverage of treatment of pre-existing conditions or denying coverage for any of the other insane made up reasons that they like to. That practice is analogous to selling criminally poor quality meat, in that it is swindling the consumer to save money. It's not so complicated.
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@Unhindered Also, did you know that, in addition to health insurance, the government also makes you buy highways?! and student loans?! and war planes?! That's the whole point of taxes; to make sure a portion of our money is spent for the common good. Similarly, with the health care bill, the government is merely making sure that we spend a certain portion of our money for the common good i.e. increasing the number of insurance buyers so the cost goes down.
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@Unhindered ... i.e. screwing us to save money (denying coverage).
G) Go to the retirement home and ask them about how horrible they think medicare is and how they just wish they could have a good ol' HMO. 20-30% of private health insurance costs go to profit and administrative costs. 2-3% of medicare costs go to administrative expenses, and none to profit. They're not paying less for fewer options, they're paying less because they're not paying the salaries of executives!
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@youngzeegy Perhaps you've gone to retirement homes and asked people about their perception of Medicare. I doubt it, as most would complain that fewer and fewer doctors are accepting it because Medicare pays doctors less and less instead of even keeping with inflation.
Many seniors have chosen private options over Medicare. Medicare gives the premium to the private insurance that can make the money go further.
Medicare loses money every year and adds to our national debt. Great process!
Unhindered 1 year ago
@Unhindered The polling data totally belies your argument. Old people love Medicare! Why? It works! So what if it adds a little to the deficit? It's worth it for the good it does. Anyway, we're the wealthiest country in the world and we have a AAA bond rating. We're never going to default on our debt so it's really not that big a deal if we're running on a deficit.
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@Unhindered SUMMARY: I haven't heard anything from you that I haven't heard from other opponents of the bill. I still find your position fatally lacking in specifics (What SPECIFIC government bureaucrats will deny what SPECIFIC people what SPECIFIC choices?) Anyway, I'm still a proponent of the single-payer system because those providing us treatment shouldn't be using our ailments as a vehicle for their own profit, but this reform is still an improvement over what we had.
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@youngzeegy With your fundamental misunderstanding of insurance (private and public), I don't imagine you'd notice if I said something different. I've read good portions of the health care bill, which outline appointed (not elected) bureaucrats mandating what a health care plan must cost, penalties on individuals for choosing to pay cash instead of pay with insurance, etc.
Clearly you haven't read the bill, so it's clear you don't understand what's going on.
Unhindered 1 year ago
@Unhindered Two strawmen.
1: price of insurance is controlled by the insurance companies not the consumers.
2: I doubt that many are too eager to opt to pay for their $100,000 surgical procedure in cash.
Before this bill though, those without insurance or those who were denied coverage of the procedure because it treated a preexisting condition would have had to pay out of pocket. Now you have to pay a higher premium so the people who can't afford that procedure (most) are covered and dont die.
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@Unhindered I think a couple of my comments were not posted. If it turns out they were, I apologize for redundancy. 1) I understand how premiums work, my point was that if Joe Schmo was previously being denied coverage for a pre-existing condition, healthcare costs have suddenly gone way down for him, and I don't see a problem with you having to pay a higher premium so this can happen.
2) If social welfare programs are so bad, why is social mobility so high in France and Denmark?
youngzeegy 1 year ago
What seems so alarming to me about the supporters of Buck and similar candidates is not that they're so opinionated, or even that their opinions are so extreme, but the fact that their opinions are based in such broad, vague ideas. The problem that arises is that they believe what they do so wholeheartedly, but can't articulate a defense of their position that's specific and coherent.
youngzeegy 1 year ago
@youngzeegy - That can only be said if: 1) You've never had a real conversation with a conservative which is quite possible as your teachers and professors are by a wide majority liberal.
2) You assume anyone who disagrees with you is incoherent by definition.
or 3) You're lying.
Unhindered 1 year ago
Nationalized healthcare?
So when did a bill that had a UHC in it get pass? Because "Obamacare" is the complete opposite of that bill. It gives more business to PRIVATE health insurance companies.
mecher3k 1 year ago
@mecher3k You're quite correct. Obama blew it. But the right side of the aisle didn't help him much. We should've gone the single-payor route. But people seem to think that health care is in industry rather than a social concern.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
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" But people seem to think that health care is in industry rather than a social concern."
Too true.
It boggles my mind how speech can be a right, but HEALTH is not.
mecher3k 1 year ago
@mecher3k "Nationalized healthcare?" - have you read the 2 thousand page bill? If you did, you'd know what he's talking about. If you haven't, maybe you shouldn't be condescending.
Unhindered 1 year ago
@Unhindered
How the fuck did the bill nationalized healthcare? Tell me you moron.
It only gives more business to private insurance companies, nothing else. There is no public option, that right there means no nationalized healthcare.
You fucking idiot, do some god damn research if that is even possible for your stupid ass.
mecher3k 1 year ago
This guy doesn't even believe in separation of church and state, let alone corporation and state.
IndigoVagrant 1 year ago 2
@IndigoVagrant Again, distortion of the facts. The first ammendment is very clear that the government cannot make a law against a religion, nor make a state religion. This is a very clear legal definition on where church and state should be seperated, but the phrase "seperation of church and state" is a concept, not a legal definition. It has been misused to overreach by those who want the religion of Atheism to be the State religion in violation of the 1st Ammendment.
kormathaw 1 year ago
@kormathaw Religion of atheism? How high are you right now? We are supposed to be a secular nation. No one wants to force you to atheist, we just don't want government in religion any religion, as required by law. & The separation of church & state is the establishment clause. The government may not endorse any religion.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality who wrote "We are supposed to be a secular nation. "
Wrong. We are supposed to be a religious people with a secular government. Read the founding fathers sometime.
Unhindered 1 year ago
@kormathaw Atheism isn't a religion. It is the lack of religion. If the State lacks a religion, then that simply means things are determined on the basis of reality,.
A government can't be "Atheist". It isn't a person. It is like calling a business that has policies that aren't guided by religion, but rather just reasonable rules an "atheist business".
It is also like calling evolution an "atheist belief", when evolution is not by any means antithetical to the possibility of a creator.
IndigoVagrant 1 year ago
@IndigoVagrant who wrote "Atheism isn't a religion. " - but Evangelicals say Christianity isn't a religion, it's a "relationship" and Buddhists say Buddhism is a "lifestyle."
While it's convenient to exempt your own "cause, principle, or system of beliefs" from being a religion, it's disingenuous.
To say that your worldview is "reality" is the same as a Christian or Buddhist would say about their worldview. You're failing in making your argument.
Unhindered 1 year ago
@Unhindered Why should our government make decisions based off ethnocentric, unilateral worldviews? Our constitution is supposed to protect against that.
IndigoVagrant 1 year ago
@IndigoVagrant - Why are you asking me why the "government make decisions based off ethnocentric, unilateral worldviews" - I didn't say that, did I?
I guess I can play this game and respond to things you haven't said too: Why should monkeys in Peru wear hats?
Try responding to what I actually wrote, then we can have a conversation.
Unhindered 1 year ago
@kormathaw
It helps to know about a certain founding father called Thomas Jefferson.
mecher3k 1 year ago
@IndigoVagrant He believes in the constitutional prohibition of the government not instituting religion, no? If he believes in that, what are you arguing about?
Unhindered 1 year ago
Ken Buck is exactly right. We as American citizens did all we could to let our "representatives" in Congress know that we didn't want the socialized healthcare, yet they (the Democrats) passed it, smiling all the way. But they're going to be thrown from their high perches for going against OUR WILL, and they should expect nothing less from us, for their obvious disrespect & disregard of us "little" people.
We're NOT little- and we're going to prove who's boss this election!
Gerts4th 1 year ago
@Gerts4th Actually a plurality of Americans do want socialized healthcare. & The democrats never even suggested it let alone passed it. Not that truth matters to the likes of you.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
Sorry Buck, they ignored you and your extremist ilks' bulk email and phone bank assaults. Some of us wrote thoughtful respectful letters to Michael Bennet and co. about improving health care in this country, and they listened to us!
strcastwy 1 year ago
@strcastwy We're all for improving healthcare. The problem is 70% of the American people think costs are the problem. Your 30% believe 12 million uninsured illegal aliens are the problem. Your "solution" increased our costs. How is your "solution" going to pay for these 12 million now that the cost to insure them just went up 20% too? Lower the costs, and we can start affording to help the hopeless. Increase costs and you make us all hopeless.
kormathaw 1 year ago
@kormathaw
Lower the costs means people being insured. That is one of, if not the biggest, reasons why our health care costs are so high with no benefit over other nations.
mecher3k 1 year ago
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@mecher3k who wrote "our health care costs are so high with no benefit over other nations" - Isn't it curious, then, that whenever people from another nation who has socialized medicine needs better care they come to America to pay for it? How do you explain this while saying there's no benefit over other nations' health care systems?
Unhindered 1 year ago
@strcastwy Isn't it nice that a politician "listened" to those who agreed with what he was going to do anyway?
I wrote thoughtful letters as well, so no need to stereotype and call the majority of the country "extremist ilk." By definition, can the majority be the extreme? Perhaps by the numbers and averages, you (with your ilk) are the extremist.
Unhindered 1 year ago
@mikeedwardwilson: I believe everyone has the right to vote when they are of age, but you certainly cause me to question my belief.
colawman 1 year ago
@colawman Just like the argument about church & state, your "belief" has nothing to do with anything. The fact is that if he's eligible, he has the right to vote. I believe there should be an education restriction to weed out the morons who opted not to finish high school. But what I believe doesn't matter.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
Ken Buck spammed my email with link to this ad - lost my vote...how pathetic
mikeedwardwilson 1 year ago
@mikeedwardwilson That is kind of pathetic - changing your vote because you get too many emails? Wow. What principles do you stand for?
Unhindered 1 year ago
this guy sounds real good, be smart Colorado, VOTE SMART, VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE, VOTE BUCK
msredboot7 1 year ago 2
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mikebdenv 1 year ago
Crash and burn its over for this guy.
airsoftmasters 1 year ago
Buck seems ok, but there are a couple of things i didnt like. One, he is not pro choice in rape and incest cases. Two, he didnt answer Q13 on Campaign for Liberties questionnaire. The question was?
Will you vote to abolish the IRS?
Campaignforliberty d o t c o m
EndTheFedRes 1 year ago
Just received my Boulder County ballot and my wife and I voted for Buck. Bennett is such a tool, even my liberal friends can't stand that guy.
ilScungilli 1 year ago 4
We need more Ken Buck's in Washington!
Sunshine484848 1 year ago 4
PORTUGAL1010 1 year ago 2
@PORTUGAL1010 You do realize that we are a representative democracy right? Which is a form of democratic republic? Of course not. How are you going to call the constitution unconstitutional?
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality wrote "we are a representative democracy ... How are you going to call the constitution unconstitutional?"
That's a silly thing to say. How many times does the constitution use the word democracy or democratic? 0. Not once. Don't pretend you know the constitution and then say things like this.
Unhindered 1 year ago
@Unhindered How many times does the constitution mention the word gun? I have read the bill, it didn't nationalize healthcare. Ignore reality all you want we are what Madison called a representative democracy. You right wingers always think you can just ignore facts, & you can, but I really wish you wouldn't.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
Go Buck the Dems and RINOs!!
3martijns 1 year ago 2
They will ignore us no more only if enough Democrats are defeated. Republicans aren't perfect but they have never ignored the will of the people like Democrats proved they will.
Txbertie 1 year ago 4
@Txbertie You're right, they just lie to manufacture consent of the people. Oh wait, that's not exactly true the Republicans refused to allow health care reform to pass with a public option & the majority of people wanted the government to continue functioning, Republicans just lie to get the will of the people, & unfortunately the people are dumb enough to fall for it.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality You're young. You're just repeating things you've heard and accept as true but you're wrong. Republicans didn't have the votes to "refuse" anything. Clearly even after Scott Brown won in Massachusetts. But mostly, the American people aren't dumb! People don't need to know everything, understand thousands of pages of legislation to know right from wrong. Democrat lies, failure, and refusal to listen to the people, this penchant for calling us names, will be rejected Tues.
Txbertie 1 year ago
@Txbertie Um, how am I wrong? THis may surprise you but people expect the democrats to be a divided party, they don't expect record filibusters, they don't expect to see Republicans filibustering tax cuts. & Yes the American people are stupid. All people are stupid. & Seriously what lies? What refusal to listen to people?
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality I could explain it to you but I can't understand it for you. I suggest you spend some time reading, watching, listening, learning and when you realize that you know nothing compared to the combined wisdom of the American people perhaps you'll be able to see past the lies you've been told. Perhaps you'll be able to see the truth and even learn to think for yourself. But if you are as you say, "All people are stupid" well, I'm very sorry. Good luck.
Txbertie 1 year ago
@Txbertie I assume you mean bu that, you don't understand it, at least not in a manner which can be communicated.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
Thanks, Ken. We have to get back to some fiscal sanity and soon.
zerotolerance4u 1 year ago 4
@zerotolerance4u - Republicans spend far more than Democrats don't forget.
gennnica 1 year ago
NIce job. Hope you win, Ken.
Hudd1950 1 year ago 4
@Hudd1950 Fuckwit.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate Another intelligent masterpiece by a leftist no doubt.
Hudd1950 1 year ago
@Hudd1950 Fuckwit.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
It will be nice having you as our next Senator, Ken.
Thank you!
ericcolo 1 year ago 4