LOL thats funny that i saw this comment, because we just got this song today and that was the first thing I said too my friend Lucas, who's in the bass section....we laughed. I can't wait to perform this!!!!!
Tried to sing this in choir last year after a pilgrimage to London soaking up our English Catholic heretage at places St. Bart's, the Oratory, and Tyburn Cross. .
Dissonances like that were called False Relations in this kind of counterpoint Renaissance music, and like you said, they were often used to express feelings of pain or anguish
So beautiful. :) My (high school) choir has just started singing this. Our tenor section is pathetic, though -- we had two phenomenal tenors graduate last year, and we have, like, four basses to each tenor or something ridiculous like that.
Do tears start from your eyes when you listen to this piece of music, and think of what the words actually mean? And I agree with @hebejeebee - that Amen is the most heart-wrenching plea!
This is a pretty good recording... I would bet this is a college choir. However... I have one main piece of criticism. There isn't quite enough alto. You can hear the soprano clearly, of course, and each of the men's parts come out easily... But the alto part is almost constantly drowned out by the rest of the choir, mainly sopranos. I also think there could have been more to the rises and falls, and more of them in general. It sounds a bit deadened.
@wcbroccoli I don't hear any errors in the "miserere" section. However, there's a ficta in the tenor in the "amen," and the tenors missed it. It should be a B natural, not a B flat. The missing B natural sets the mood for the end of the piece. This isn't the only time I've heard that ficta missed. When our choir does this piece in May, I'll be sure to tell the conductor and the tenor section leader about it, so we don't miss it.
@MTGlipp That's correct, but this tenor section, and some others I've heard, sing the first B natural as a B flat, which changes the whole mood of the "amen." In fact, I've only found one version on YouTube that is correct. Even the Tallis Scholars missed it.
Hmm well in this case I'm afraid I have to disagree with William Byrd =P I prefer the cadence when both the B's are natural, but like you said, it could be used to change the entire mood of the ending if desired
@zamyrabyrd Yes, they are singing in A flat in this recording, but most recordings I've heard of this are sung in G. As you probably know, since this is a Renaissance piece, either key is valid, since the original tuning is unknown.
I wasn't talking about the last chord, but I was talking about the A flat minor they sang a couple of measures back. That should be major since there's a ficta in the tenor.
@LouisvilleTorn8o I'm trying to find the chord you are talking about but am not sure. Do you mean one of the miserere chords? Sometimes the alto has the defining major or minor 3rd.
@zamyrabyrd I'm trying to find the chord you are talking about but am not sure. Do you mean one of the miserere chords? Sometimes the alto has the defining major or minor 3rd.
@LouisvilleTorn8o Common in music throughout the period. Modal vs tonal. The effect of voice leading. Just leading tone raised when ascending, natural when descending. You are thinking in terms of chords. They didn't do that.
@LouisvilleTorn8o just to let you know its called a tierce de picardie, where the composer prepares the end of a passage in the minor key and they suddenly goes to major :)
This is so beauiful, the balance is just right. We did this in my college chamber choir, unfortunately we did not have enough boys to the tenor and bass sections were not as strong as prehaps we would have liked, but hearing it done so beautiful just makes me want to sing in the choir again. The acoustics are also amazing and really compliment this piece of music.
@AliPali94 shame, its such a nice bass part. One of my favs. Byrd and Tallie both knew how to write killer base lines , unlike some composers who just seem to chuck all the left overs down that way.
This is not the Tallis Scholars. It's Westminster Choir from Westminster Choir College, directed by Joe Flummerfelt. I know because I was singing in this recording:) love seeing the score again:)
And the Tallis Scholars butchered this piece too. This choir, however, got most of it right, except for the tenor note I've been harping about near the end. The Tallis Scholars sing this like they're in a hurry, and with all the emotion stripped out of it, way too mechanical for my tastes.
It boggles my mind that such drivel as religion could inspire such magnificence; let us be thankful for these great compositions of the distant past, as great as anything ever composed. Gorgeous performance.
@billyguns2 before you dismiss religion as "drivel", perhaps you might like to read Finding Sanctuary by Abbot Christopher Jamison. It is written for everyone, not merely the 'religious'.
my middle school choir class is doing this song and it sounds really great!!
SuperArturoduran 1 month ago
needs lots of tenor and bass...
We just did this in church and I can't get it out of my head
thechimp1963 1 month ago
Wish Latin was stil the most spoken language. So much easier than English...
oterrivelivan 2 months ago
I love this song, they sing it so well :-)
laurita2rose 2 months ago
the byrd is the word
ChikinChowMein 2 months ago 4
@ChikinChowMein
LOL thats funny that i saw this comment, because we just got this song today and that was the first thing I said too my friend Lucas, who's in the bass section....we laughed. I can't wait to perform this!!!!!
lavelle8686 1 month ago
i sing the tenor line.
phlarrdboi 3 months ago 3
@phlarrdboi Same. Is wonderful.
remyworldpeace 3 months ago
Beautiful song.
frank1eb0y 4 months ago
Tried to sing this in choir last year after a pilgrimage to London soaking up our English Catholic heretage at places St. Bart's, the Oratory, and Tyburn Cross. .
After we all quite crying we did better.
tkg2902 4 months ago
Strabiliante! Una delle composizioni più sublimi che abbia mai ascoltato!
Byrd è un compositore di levatura universale!
MrGipeto66 4 months ago
Sublime! This piece is as beautiful to sing as it is the hear. Thank you for posting.
Luvsofine 4 months ago
Maybe I am wrong but they're singing one half step higher that the notes are... ?
MrFastel 5 months ago
one of my favourites i did in chamber choir SO AMAZING
brinafaith 5 months ago
I was blessed to hear the choir of St. Johns perform this in Atlanta; it was beyond beautiful. Thanks for sharing!
FrancesEDoyle 5 months ago
This peice has everything!
Particularly cool is the F against F# in mm 37; hot! A poignant text-painting on the word "miserere".
ericbelify 5 months ago
@ericbelify
yep =)
Dissonances like that were called False Relations in this kind of counterpoint Renaissance music, and like you said, they were often used to express feelings of pain or anguish
MTGlipp 5 months ago
Thanks for posting this! I can't wait to sing this for Honor's Chorus in November!
spairpartsdealer 5 months ago
Three phrygian half cadences...soooo freakin' sexy!
1yelsew 6 months ago 3
you've just gotta love those false relations! Awesome.
mrnnhnz 6 months ago
My favourite piece of music ever masterfully done.
HroffTheNinjaBicky 6 months ago
So beautiful. :) My (high school) choir has just started singing this. Our tenor section is pathetic, though -- we had two phenomenal tenors graduate last year, and we have, like, four basses to each tenor or something ridiculous like that.
bibliophilecb 6 months ago
The entire song is out of tune...why?
THSChoir 7 months ago
@THSChoir
Because Byrd is a really crap composer, obviously. There's no way his music's going to last.
EtEgoInArcade 6 months ago
I think that all the sins of the world are confessed and forgiven with that "Amen".
muenchner1000 7 months ago 3
Beautifully performed, so beautiful, thank you all round.
arunachala1 7 months ago
So nice to have the score right there to sing along with and work on my sight-reading. Thanks!
Worrell057 7 months ago
Gorgeous! This is definitely my favorite recording of this piece, even better than Westminster Cathedral Choir's.
LiberStudios 7 months ago 2
@zneufeld - I dont have to emulate, I was there and on that recording. Thank you very much:)
Mezzamike 8 months ago
Theres something at the end that fooled my ears to think that the soprano was singing a high G. Gosh I hate it when that happens.
jthameschoir08 8 months ago
@jthameschoir08 Not uncommon, this is typical pitfall most of my students are struggling with.
verso69 7 months ago
you will surely enjoy this video! its a friend of mine in her recent audition at the academie
watch?v=CVKH_lAnv8w&feature=BFa&list=LL5zm2XBNeLkc&index=7
phlarrdboi 8 months ago
I'm so happy about the 'right' latin phonetic-pronouncement of the tallis scholars.
LifeforArt 9 months ago
This is very beautiful, my high school choir sings this and I'm trying to sound like this!
funkalish23 10 months ago
Do tears start from your eyes when you listen to this piece of music, and think of what the words actually mean? And I agree with @hebejeebee - that Amen is the most heart-wrenching plea!
AussieSteveBoyle 10 months ago
For sure one of the greatest amens ever written...
hebejeebee 10 months ago 3
Our choir has sung this beautiful piece many times.
calsak1 10 months ago
All the more beautiful when you consider it was written during a time when the church was under a great suppression.
tkg2902 10 months ago
Tenor's o je su fi li is awesome
mingsearn 11 months ago
This is a pretty good recording... I would bet this is a college choir. However... I have one main piece of criticism. There isn't quite enough alto. You can hear the soprano clearly, of course, and each of the men's parts come out easily... But the alto part is almost constantly drowned out by the rest of the choir, mainly sopranos. I also think there could have been more to the rises and falls, and more of them in general. It sounds a bit deadened.
TheInnerMuse 11 months ago
@wcbroccoli I don't hear any errors in the "miserere" section. However, there's a ficta in the tenor in the "amen," and the tenors missed it. It should be a B natural, not a B flat. The missing B natural sets the mood for the end of the piece. This isn't the only time I've heard that ficta missed. When our choir does this piece in May, I'll be sure to tell the conductor and the tenor section leader about it, so we don't miss it.
LouisvilleTorn8o 11 months ago
@LouisvilleTorn8o
Which note is the ficta on? Because all of the B's in the tenor line of the Amen are natural =/
MTGlipp 10 months ago
@MTGlipp That's correct, but this tenor section, and some others I've heard, sing the first B natural as a B flat, which changes the whole mood of the "amen." In fact, I've only found one version on YouTube that is correct. Even the Tallis Scholars missed it.
LouisvilleTorn8o 10 months ago
@LouisvilleTorn8o
Really?
Hmm well in this case I'm afraid I have to disagree with William Byrd =P I prefer the cadence when both the B's are natural, but like you said, it could be used to change the entire mood of the ending if desired
MTGlipp 10 months ago
@LouisvilleTorn8o They end in major but it is not G major, rather A major the key they are singing in.
zamyrabyrd 10 months ago
@zamyrabyrd Yes, they are singing in A flat in this recording, but most recordings I've heard of this are sung in G. As you probably know, since this is a Renaissance piece, either key is valid, since the original tuning is unknown.
I wasn't talking about the last chord, but I was talking about the A flat minor they sang a couple of measures back. That should be major since there's a ficta in the tenor.
LouisvilleTorn8o 10 months ago
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@LouisvilleTorn8o I'm trying to find the chord you are talking about but am not sure. Do you mean one of the miserere chords? Sometimes the alto has the defining major or minor 3rd.
zamyrabyrd 10 months ago
@zamyrabyrd I'm trying to find the chord you are talking about but am not sure. Do you mean one of the miserere chords? Sometimes the alto has the defining major or minor 3rd.
zamyrabyrd 10 months ago
wonderful :D umm are these all men??? or??
waret1234 11 months ago
@waret1234 No, it's sung by men and women. :)
mozartsmusicblog 11 months ago
Better than the original Ave Verum Corpus, by FAR. this stirs so much emotion in me. I could listen forever.
MichellesMusic92 11 months ago
Hear this song performed by Franciscan University of Steubenville's schola cantorum: youtube.com/watch?v=0MldIGthoAA
Hair-raising!!
mozartsmusicblog 11 months ago
I want to sing this in my choir.
gmanbaby2007 1 year ago
is this the serial technique?
zmannx25 1 year ago
@zmannx25 Haha no, about as far from it as you can get. Firmly Renaissance counterpoint
AnimaMiaPerdona 11 months ago
This is way better than Mozart's
parquar 1 year ago
It don't get any Byrdier than that! Those major chords followed immediately by minor chords are typical of Byrd.
LouisvilleTorn8o 1 year ago 31
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1banders 4 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Byrd
@LouisvilleTorn8o Common in music throughout the period. Modal vs tonal. The effect of voice leading. Just leading tone raised when ascending, natural when descending. You are thinking in terms of chords. They didn't do that.
1banders 4 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Byrd 2
@LouisvilleTorn8o just to let you know its called a tierce de picardie, where the composer prepares the end of a passage in the minor key and they suddenly goes to major :)
MrRobh12 4 days ago
@wcbroccoli What errors?
musicamaxima 1 year ago
Beautiful, I have loved this piece of music for many years, and this for me is the best version I have heard.
MrJamest3333 1 year ago
This is so beauiful, the balance is just right. We did this in my college chamber choir, unfortunately we did not have enough boys to the tenor and bass sections were not as strong as prehaps we would have liked, but hearing it done so beautiful just makes me want to sing in the choir again. The acoustics are also amazing and really compliment this piece of music.
AliPali94 1 year ago 11
@AliPali94 shame, its such a nice bass part. One of my favs. Byrd and Tallie both knew how to write killer base lines , unlike some composers who just seem to chuck all the left overs down that way.
IMQuazimodo 10 months ago
I think there are never enough viewers for this video.
jasperwes 1 year ago
This is going to be my funeral song...
KayaKinneret 1 year ago
This is not the Tallis Scholars. It's Westminster Choir from Westminster Choir College, directed by Joe Flummerfelt. I know because I was singing in this recording:) love seeing the score again:)
Mezzamike 1 year ago 3
And the Tallis Scholars butchered this piece too. This choir, however, got most of it right, except for the tenor note I've been harping about near the end. The Tallis Scholars sing this like they're in a hurry, and with all the emotion stripped out of it, way too mechanical for my tastes.
LouisvilleTorn8o 10 months ago
@Mezzamike
This is definitely The Tallis Scholars. Unless you figured out a way to exactly emulate their recording (Gimell CDGIM 345)
zneufeld 10 months ago
I was in chamber choir and we sang this last year (bass)... I'd get goosebumps all the time. This is truely amazing work =)
endwarloveforever234 1 year ago
the best version , beautifull, thanks
elmalyuyu 1 year ago
Sounds incredible :D i'm happy my high school choir is doing this one
Accan2 1 year ago
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Accan2 1 year ago
this sounds great!! perfect tempo...everyone blends together <3
69ringette69 1 year ago
Long live Peter Phillips and the Tallis Scholars!!
MusicOfJOS 1 year ago
this was beautiful! im singing this in a class im taking at university and its just stunning..so emotional!
69ringette69 1 year ago
that was absolutly sublime!
MissLovesmusicxx 1 year ago
amazing; i'm completely speechless....
VocalsAblaze 1 year ago
This is one of those songs that will always touch my heart.
Cardien18 1 year ago
It boggles my mind that such drivel as religion could inspire such magnificence; let us be thankful for these great compositions of the distant past, as great as anything ever composed. Gorgeous performance.
billyguns2 1 year ago
@billyguns2 Hahah! That was hilarious! Looks like I've found another atheist/antitheist who likes sacred music then..
tomski3 1 year ago 2
@tomski3 HEY ME TOO!
awesomeness!
NihilTico 1 year ago
@billyguns2 before you dismiss religion as "drivel", perhaps you might like to read Finding Sanctuary by Abbot Christopher Jamison. It is written for everyone, not merely the 'religious'.
atomicsnowflake 1 year ago
@billyguns2 I agree
Aves114 1 year ago
one of the best compositions forever..
chorister88 1 year ago
I loving having the score in front of me!
stpetric 1 year ago
The best rendition I have ever heard!!!
magpie4321 1 year ago