Business wise, LOTR gave GW more money that they knew what to do with in the UK. Its how they afforded a lot of the jump in tech over the last 10 years.
try to throw some rpg elements into your game when you make it. with mordheim and necromunda unsupported, there arent any major games going in that direction nowadays, and it could be a fun way to set yourselves appart
Dear all - I'm the person who submitted the questions to Shawn at bluetablepainting, and would be fascinated to hear your thoughts on the 5 questions I put to him. If you'd like to share them please do drop me a note at allenjmayer@gmail.com with your thoughts, your relation to the industry (e.g. customer, employee etc), and feel free to pass on any other thoughts you might have. Needless to say your comments will be hugely valuable to my work. Thanks, Allen
So GW is a private owned company? I think it would be kinda nice if they were public...but im not sure how that would affect their buisness though, if at all
I have to disagree on the part of "GW made the foundation competetive play and how things work. In the 70's, Tournaments and things of that nature had been going on a lot! What we have to remember is that 40k is a skirmish game and fantasy is a just a bigger skirmish game. Ancients, Napolenonics, ASW were the norm of the day, and they have over 300+ figures in an average game. The battle of Getteysburg and Watterloo were FILLED with models. GW set a new foundation for Skirmish games, thats all.
Good job Shawn! It was interesting to listen to. I agree about the piracy bit. It's something that's not going away and corporations just need to find ways to embrace it instead of fighting it. A lot of corporations don't want to evolve and are using these outdated business models that their families have been using for generations but with all the new comings in commerce and the move into the digital age, you have to adapt or you will fail.
Liked the vid. Good questions and answers. Only 1 answer i didnt agree with. Going bigger. Companies shouldnt make their figs bigger in a sense, but should make their figs to scale. The 28mm "scale" is fine. The Beholder was a great example. The old Grenadier version was just way way too small and didnt match to "scale" No reason companies should be making their figs 35mm, then 40mm and so on. Just get them to scale of the line they are made for. Did he say Mantic was smaller than GW? Not true
I think we're actually leaving the age of internet piracy, it's taken a while to adapt but there's a reason The West didn't stay Wild forever. Web 2.0 inherently encourages p2p sharing and piracy but 3.0 will be about user accountability and corporations figuring out how to make every last penny they can. It's already happening in South Korea and I give it 3 years till it fundamentally changes for us.
I disagree. We as a people are moving into more digital solutions for nearly every market. As more information is available, the more piracy will thrive. It's a simple business practice that companies have been resistant to adapt to. They have to adapt to compete with free. No one is going to simply stop piracy and no technology is going to stop it completely. Will it possibly hinder it? slightly, but in time there will be a way around any obstacle.
I think you could go interactive and go with miniatures on a table with augmented reality options with apps for your tablets, phones, feature TV's. Possibilities limitless and a revenue stream besides of bare plastic models, sell sound effects, interactive scenery and other things through these augmented reality apps. Everyone who can afford these games will have an tablet, pc or tv or phone or other gadget capable of this.
While its a good idea to start your own, minature companies will all be in trouble in 20 years because once 3D printers become affordable, you will have people laser scanning entire sprews, putting the CAD/whatever files on torrentsites, and then people will just download and 3D print entire armies in their basement for pennies. If your cost per model is low enough however, people wont go through the trouble of doing that.
For the 4th question, I would say same scale (So you can have things be converted into/out of your system, and then going to a specific field. I'd say Pulpy Sci-Fi (Thing C&C Red Alert). That'd be fun. Semi futuristic enough for 40k to go into but pulpy enough to be distinct.
Old archetypes set by books/story lines have a very big impact on, and I mean huge, products that are along the same flavor (not in any one product type, video games/war gaming e.t.c). That does not mean however, that products based on that I.P will be successful beyond a certain point, though, products loosely related on that I.P will see an increased interest in the short run. Look at "Warcraft 3" which led to the gigantic WoW success, a contributing factor to WC3 success was the LotR trilogy
I know this is an adventurous point of view but the way people see lord of the rings as a failure has nothing o do with its appeal and that in turn means it was a success with the amount of people it brought in. The failure comes in when they realized to much top quick without the market being there. With the new release of lord of the rings, wotr, it has made great revenue. LOTR was a big success for bringing people in. It was only a failure due to the business acumen of GW at the time.
A "Future of Roleplaying" retrospective would be rather interesting......a field where we aren't repeatedly presented with GW Products and in fact those products based on GW intellectual property (Dark Heresy, WFRP) have a rather smaller fanbase compared to other products.
@homecd I think it's relative. If it takes $0.25 of plastic to make a tank kit and plastic prices go up to $0.33 for the same material, that is a lot less substantive than $10 of metal going up to $16. The base material being very, very cheap changes the equation notably.
@bluetablepainting Why does GW charge so much for their kits? I presume its down to protecting game mechanics I guess. I'm a scale modeller by default, and I've noticed that model kits generally do not go up, yet they cost more to produce than GW kits. Sure base materials, production costs, obtaining molds, injection systems and maintaining them is expensive, but it's almost double for traditional model kits yet the price is more reflective of the actual cost of production. Care to enlighten me?
and i disagree about Mantics stuff being small. Mantic is true scale and unless you nit pick the detail they match pretty well on the table against a GW army. They are pretty much the same scale as LOTR figures and ive seen you use LOTR armies to use as Warhammer armies.
Agree on the scale problem with Mantic - I've just bought a box of Orx (for Warpath) and they just don't look right when they're mixed with GW orks ...
As fantastic as the quality of the heroic models, now that they are in plastic, i expect the same kind of customization that normal plastic kits have. Case in point? I am rebuilding my necrons, and as good as the characters look, I will not buy them because I cannot see a way of converting the model without destroying it in such a way that I actually destroy the parts im removing.
Another thing *I* am interested in, is your comment on the second hand market.
There is an addendum to the Wizards of the Coast D20 open gaming license. The company was then purchased by Hasbro. When they released 4th edition, the OGL was removed and it essentially crippled the smaller companies only producing D20 products.
Lol, "join with miniwargaming" somehow I think thats completely unfeasible. But it would be awesome to see you and miniwargaming do some collab videos discussing the mini market and its future.
I think your opening answer is backwards. In 2001, GW were monolithic kings of the market and that dominance seemed to be going nowhere, whereas now they have a lot of very valid competition which they will need to respond appropriately to.
No augmented reality added to wargaming ??? That would definitely be in the future!
Just a Clarification, there are so many linux based operating systems and they are all very different ( some are just flavors of others but other differs very much in everything and is crucial when you decide to use them ).
Mantic is Going Big and they keep digging in futuristic games when they own style.
40k is too good a game with too much lore and history to expect a player base that big would drop everything and try games from other companies. Unless GW loosened IP rights (which would never happen because money is money) and other companies like PP manufactured citadel miniatures I don't agree with you.
in the yeeeeaaaaarrtwoooooooooooothoooooooouuuuuuuusssssssaaaaaaand.
Hahahahah that was a good one!
I'd bet some 3-d printers and bootleg schematics will make it easy to save cash and imposters will be hiding under acrylic paint.
I thinks some games will get lucky and have a cult following like Heroquest ect..but it all comes down to will there be a group of gamers who want to play their product in the future?
You make so much sense when you talk business, but then you still have a terribly designed website which is so user unfriendly its shocking.. I really wish you would hurry up and get it redesigned.
@bluetablepainting Sorry, that's the last time I will mention it I swear :x lol but proper categories, a search option and image galleries you can scroll through would improve it soooo much.
Every King ever lived either was overthrown...or died.
I want the market equal between several or more companies rather than 1. I like GW the game. But the miniatures, paints, tools, and paints are definitely not good quality at ALL. Privateer Press, Reaper, Mantic, and other worthy companies should have a hold of the market. Because I'm sick of Games Workshop being the one of the only ones in my local gaming store. Thank God mine has Privateer Pres
@Ydouneed2nomyname The thing is, GW has on thing PP doesn't - ease of access.
Simply because they have stores, with tables and paint stations, etc, all over the place, it's so much easier to play GW games than PP games. Until PP follow suit with this, so it's easier to access and find people to play, then they'll never be as big as GW.
Which is a shame, because I want to play Cryx, but I don't know anyone else who plays, or would be interested.
@Vehementi I think PP is scared of GW. Same with the other compaines like Mantic or Infinity. I think they should "work together" not literally, but what i mean is whenever a tyrant runs a country, one person can never take them down. It takes numbers to overthrow them. I'm not saying GW is a tyrant. this is just a metaphor. If the closest competition to GW all work at grabbing the market, they can win. I say a crap load of promotional work on websites like Cool mini or not or Whatever. Also...
@Vehementi we as gamers need to support our Local Independent Game stores, the more we buy from them, the less money GW makes. Privateer Press made a great move trying to support local stores but did it in a wrong way. Once everybody stops buying directly from GW, they'll have to stop the internet ban on their products. Sooner or later, other companies who have supported local stores all along, PP for example, will gain more power. As for manufactoring, if GW keeps raising prices theyre s
@Vehementi crewed because most gamers don't make a lot of money. this is a stereotype, I know. But a lot of gamers I talked to really don't make a lot of money and are always trying to find cheaper alternatives to many things GW makes. So if companies can keep prices low by whatever means they can without hurting themselves or others, then they will eventually beat GW. but i get what your saying and agree.
@johnkerry7 That's more down to your own personal taste, really, though. It's not really something that's universally wrong with PP's buisness plan. You can't deny that the models are amazing, the fluff is pretty interesting, etc.
The fact that Warhmahordes is played generally in smaller games isn't a bad thing, it's just different to large armies.
However, with the release of the new expansion Warmachine Wrath, the size of the games has gotten a lot bigger, dunno if that interests you or not.
@Vehementi not really, the problem with PP at larger scale is that the price goes up WAAAAAAAAAAY to much for my taste. Almost to the point of being more expensive than a 1500pt GW army. Mantics large scale and cheap price has given me a middle ground, and now with a sci-fi game i have my choice really. But yea, i have played PP before, there is nothing wrong with small scale games sure, however like you said...not my first choice. :)
its funny, i listened to an interview with Mantics Kings of war developer and he said pretty much what you said, that fantasy wargames have a certain basic guide to them (units movement shooting and fighting).
the thing that GW has that other companies have, and you mentioned it, is dominance in the market. They have MASSIVE support with actual stores and pretty much every game shop you walk into supports GW or at least has a good base of GW players. No other game really has that.
okay that intro upgraded you from creepy friendly neighborly guy to fiendish predator <3.
seanziess 1 month ago
intellectual glasnov I like that, shawn you are a gentleman and a scholar
aznsbd 3 months ago
Business wise, LOTR gave GW more money that they knew what to do with in the UK. Its how they afforded a lot of the jump in tech over the last 10 years.
pyrojobe 3 months ago
hey do a vid on how to start a horde army guide then test it against someone else
it would be cool like 15 ep long it would be amazing
CLOSKEY23 3 months ago
try to throw some rpg elements into your game when you make it. with mordheim and necromunda unsupported, there arent any major games going in that direction nowadays, and it could be a fun way to set yourselves appart
lukegran 3 months ago
in the year 2000 men will not be judged by their bodies but they will be judged on the amount of testicular cleavage they display
ghraskull 3 months ago
Dear all - I'm the person who submitted the questions to Shawn at bluetablepainting, and would be fascinated to hear your thoughts on the 5 questions I put to him. If you'd like to share them please do drop me a note at allenjmayer@gmail.com with your thoughts, your relation to the industry (e.g. customer, employee etc), and feel free to pass on any other thoughts you might have. Needless to say your comments will be hugely valuable to my work. Thanks, Allen
Allen23123 3 months ago
So GW is a private owned company? I think it would be kinda nice if they were public...but im not sure how that would affect their buisness though, if at all
Warpetrie 3 months ago
Target games was awesome! I loved Chronopia and Warzone. Great fun rules, amazing universes, models etc. Stupid stupid business practices.
cityonahillRC 3 months ago
Also, games workshop is HARDLY a grandscale modelling game. Its very small to most game games rules...
NZWargaming 3 months ago
I have to disagree on the part of "GW made the foundation competetive play and how things work. In the 70's, Tournaments and things of that nature had been going on a lot! What we have to remember is that 40k is a skirmish game and fantasy is a just a bigger skirmish game. Ancients, Napolenonics, ASW were the norm of the day, and they have over 300+ figures in an average game. The battle of Getteysburg and Watterloo were FILLED with models. GW set a new foundation for Skirmish games, thats all.
NZWargaming 3 months ago
The monkey in the jar analogy made me smile.
HibHab69 3 months ago
Good job Shawn! It was interesting to listen to. I agree about the piracy bit. It's something that's not going away and corporations just need to find ways to embrace it instead of fighting it. A lot of corporations don't want to evolve and are using these outdated business models that their families have been using for generations but with all the new comings in commerce and the move into the digital age, you have to adapt or you will fail.
chaoticflanagan 3 months ago
Liked the vid. Good questions and answers. Only 1 answer i didnt agree with. Going bigger. Companies shouldnt make their figs bigger in a sense, but should make their figs to scale. The 28mm "scale" is fine. The Beholder was a great example. The old Grenadier version was just way way too small and didnt match to "scale" No reason companies should be making their figs 35mm, then 40mm and so on. Just get them to scale of the line they are made for. Did he say Mantic was smaller than GW? Not true
GrimmJD 3 months ago
I think we're actually leaving the age of internet piracy, it's taken a while to adapt but there's a reason The West didn't stay Wild forever. Web 2.0 inherently encourages p2p sharing and piracy but 3.0 will be about user accountability and corporations figuring out how to make every last penny they can. It's already happening in South Korea and I give it 3 years till it fundamentally changes for us.
brendantmcguire 3 months ago
@brendantmcguire
I disagree. We as a people are moving into more digital solutions for nearly every market. As more information is available, the more piracy will thrive. It's a simple business practice that companies have been resistant to adapt to. They have to adapt to compete with free. No one is going to simply stop piracy and no technology is going to stop it completely. Will it possibly hinder it? slightly, but in time there will be a way around any obstacle.
chaoticflanagan 3 months ago
3D printing will change the miniature gaming for sure.
pixl3l 3 months ago
I think you could go interactive and go with miniatures on a table with augmented reality options with apps for your tablets, phones, feature TV's. Possibilities limitless and a revenue stream besides of bare plastic models, sell sound effects, interactive scenery and other things through these augmented reality apps. Everyone who can afford these games will have an tablet, pc or tv or phone or other gadget capable of this.
leemiltz 3 months ago
Star Trek ftw
just look everyone has a handy smartphone or ipad thats ur trikorder,Phaser.
We life all in interesting times !! billions of ur us taxes spended on Black Budget projects ,that means they are 30-50 years ahead of our time.
i hope ron paul wins and isnt a new obama or gets jfkéd or lincoln´ed.
Long Life the Repuplic
Keep up the good Batreps !
Its nice too see ur buisness over the years growing,best wishes to u and the bluetable crew .
so much too Talk but im running out ofSpace:-)
olddirtz 3 months ago
While its a good idea to start your own, minature companies will all be in trouble in 20 years because once 3D printers become affordable, you will have people laser scanning entire sprews, putting the CAD/whatever files on torrentsites, and then people will just download and 3D print entire armies in their basement for pennies. If your cost per model is low enough however, people wont go through the trouble of doing that.
jdc4 3 months ago
For the 4th question, I would say same scale (So you can have things be converted into/out of your system, and then going to a specific field. I'd say Pulpy Sci-Fi (Thing C&C Red Alert). That'd be fun. Semi futuristic enough for 40k to go into but pulpy enough to be distinct.
MicahSps 3 months ago
Old archetypes set by books/story lines have a very big impact on, and I mean huge, products that are along the same flavor (not in any one product type, video games/war gaming e.t.c). That does not mean however, that products based on that I.P will be successful beyond a certain point, though, products loosely related on that I.P will see an increased interest in the short run. Look at "Warcraft 3" which led to the gigantic WoW success, a contributing factor to WC3 success was the LotR trilogy
soccergopher07 3 months ago
I know this is an adventurous point of view but the way people see lord of the rings as a failure has nothing o do with its appeal and that in turn means it was a success with the amount of people it brought in. The failure comes in when they realized to much top quick without the market being there. With the new release of lord of the rings, wotr, it has made great revenue. LOTR was a big success for bringing people in. It was only a failure due to the business acumen of GW at the time.
Number1GamerAsh 3 months ago
HAHA! Awesome Conan reference!
WGConsortium 3 months ago
Good piece Shaun.
CS
TheLordcontraindicat 3 months ago
Here´s hoping I never have to play either 40K or Fantasy to "speak wargamer". There´s actual good games out there.
doguipreacher 3 months ago
A "Future of Roleplaying" retrospective would be rather interesting......a field where we aren't repeatedly presented with GW Products and in fact those products based on GW intellectual property (Dark Heresy, WFRP) have a rather smaller fanbase compared to other products.
ShredReviews 3 months ago
Do you know that platisc is made from Oil ? How can oil price not go up ?
homecd 3 months ago
@homecd I think it's relative. If it takes $0.25 of plastic to make a tank kit and plastic prices go up to $0.33 for the same material, that is a lot less substantive than $10 of metal going up to $16. The base material being very, very cheap changes the equation notably.
bluetablepainting 3 months ago 6
@bluetablepainting Why does GW charge so much for their kits? I presume its down to protecting game mechanics I guess. I'm a scale modeller by default, and I've noticed that model kits generally do not go up, yet they cost more to produce than GW kits. Sure base materials, production costs, obtaining molds, injection systems and maintaining them is expensive, but it's almost double for traditional model kits yet the price is more reflective of the actual cost of production. Care to enlighten me?
viperxeon 3 months ago
The Lord of the Rings strategy battle game is a great game, unfortunately nobody plays it over here. (UK)
MrEddieChaos 3 months ago
I can talk about 18 years ago.
SpaceWolfPainter 3 months ago
and i disagree about Mantics stuff being small. Mantic is true scale and unless you nit pick the detail they match pretty well on the table against a GW army. They are pretty much the same scale as LOTR figures and ive seen you use LOTR armies to use as Warhammer armies.
johnkerry7 3 months ago
Agree on the scale problem with Mantic - I've just bought a box of Orx (for Warpath) and they just don't look right when they're mixed with GW orks ...
Kane856 3 months ago
As fantastic as the quality of the heroic models, now that they are in plastic, i expect the same kind of customization that normal plastic kits have. Case in point? I am rebuilding my necrons, and as good as the characters look, I will not buy them because I cannot see a way of converting the model without destroying it in such a way that I actually destroy the parts im removing.
Another thing *I* am interested in, is your comment on the second hand market.
SusFerrum 3 months ago
I think I found a clue, gotta get my handy dandy notebook!
sirclanky 3 months ago
people plase tell me some companies that have great minis like games workshop, cause I don't know that many, thanks
jukkis6699 3 months ago
I met a guy from GW HQ last week. Stuffed shirt didnt' even begin to describe that guy... Their clamming up is right... Just gonna get worse.
SomedaysDreamersBC 3 months ago
lol shawn making fun of kids who go to university.... whats new.
adv1k 3 months ago
Come back to Oregon!
Gregorious926 3 months ago
There is an addendum to the Wizards of the Coast D20 open gaming license. The company was then purchased by Hasbro. When they released 4th edition, the OGL was removed and it essentially crippled the smaller companies only producing D20 products.
hongkongzorro 3 months ago
Lol, "join with miniwargaming" somehow I think thats completely unfeasible. But it would be awesome to see you and miniwargaming do some collab videos discussing the mini market and its future.
countchocula86 3 months ago 9
The trend may be to make big models however Mantic has made their models to act as clear replacements for GW.
ruumpleteaser 3 months ago
I would drop everything and move just to work at Bluetable...
rizzorat1 3 months ago
since metals cost more than why not make all models out of plastic?
92bagder 3 months ago
I think your opening answer is backwards. In 2001, GW were monolithic kings of the market and that dominance seemed to be going nowhere, whereas now they have a lot of very valid competition which they will need to respond appropriately to.
MalusCalibur 3 months ago
No augmented reality added to wargaming ??? That would definitely be in the future!
Just a Clarification, there are so many linux based operating systems and they are all very different ( some are just flavors of others but other differs very much in everything and is crucial when you decide to use them ).
Mantic is Going Big and they keep digging in futuristic games when they own style.
DraskyVanderhoff 3 months ago
Ha! You said Mutant Chronicles! Remember that movie? Me either.
dexterKong 3 months ago
join with miniwargaming
bloodthirst49 3 months ago
40k is too good a game with too much lore and history to expect a player base that big would drop everything and try games from other companies. Unless GW loosened IP rights (which would never happen because money is money) and other companies like PP manufactured citadel miniatures I don't agree with you.
PaganFoam 3 months ago
in the yeeeeaaaaarrtwoooooooooooothoooooooouuuuuuuusssssssaaaaaaand.
Hahahahah that was a good one!
I'd bet some 3-d printers and bootleg schematics will make it easy to save cash and imposters will be hiding under acrylic paint.
I thinks some games will get lucky and have a cult following like Heroquest ect..but it all comes down to will there be a group of gamers who want to play their product in the future?
stumpythumper 3 months ago
Mantic's rules are online
ZeZombieKiller 3 months ago
You make so much sense when you talk business, but then you still have a terribly designed website which is so user unfriendly its shocking.. I really wish you would hurry up and get it redesigned.
MurrayHerts 3 months ago 61
@MurrayHerts agreed... Mostly because i am a freelance Graphic Designer in need of a couple jobs for Christmas money LOL.
SomedaysDreamersBC 3 months ago
@MurrayHerts We are working on this.
bluetablepainting 3 months ago 6
@bluetablepainting Sorry, that's the last time I will mention it I swear :x lol but proper categories, a search option and image galleries you can scroll through would improve it soooo much.
MurrayHerts 3 months ago
@bluetablepainting true about the website but he tends to be more hands on a personal with customer interaction with the emails and phone calls.
Sosspirate1 3 months ago
YAAAAAAA, Mail Time!!
falknerblitz 3 months ago
It's a basic principle of life and history
Every King ever lived either was overthrown...or died.
I want the market equal between several or more companies rather than 1. I like GW the game. But the miniatures, paints, tools, and paints are definitely not good quality at ALL. Privateer Press, Reaper, Mantic, and other worthy companies should have a hold of the market. Because I'm sick of Games Workshop being the one of the only ones in my local gaming store. Thank God mine has Privateer Pres
Ydouneed2nomyname 3 months ago
@Ydouneed2nomyname The thing is, GW has on thing PP doesn't - ease of access.
Simply because they have stores, with tables and paint stations, etc, all over the place, it's so much easier to play GW games than PP games. Until PP follow suit with this, so it's easier to access and find people to play, then they'll never be as big as GW.
Which is a shame, because I want to play Cryx, but I don't know anyone else who plays, or would be interested.
Vehementi 3 months ago
@Vehementi I think PP is scared of GW. Same with the other compaines like Mantic or Infinity. I think they should "work together" not literally, but what i mean is whenever a tyrant runs a country, one person can never take them down. It takes numbers to overthrow them. I'm not saying GW is a tyrant. this is just a metaphor. If the closest competition to GW all work at grabbing the market, they can win. I say a crap load of promotional work on websites like Cool mini or not or Whatever. Also...
Ydouneed2nomyname 3 months ago
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Ydouneed2nomyname 3 months ago
@Vehementi we as gamers need to support our Local Independent Game stores, the more we buy from them, the less money GW makes. Privateer Press made a great move trying to support local stores but did it in a wrong way. Once everybody stops buying directly from GW, they'll have to stop the internet ban on their products. Sooner or later, other companies who have supported local stores all along, PP for example, will gain more power. As for manufactoring, if GW keeps raising prices theyre s
Ydouneed2nomyname 3 months ago
@Vehementi crewed because most gamers don't make a lot of money. this is a stereotype, I know. But a lot of gamers I talked to really don't make a lot of money and are always trying to find cheaper alternatives to many things GW makes. So if companies can keep prices low by whatever means they can without hurting themselves or others, then they will eventually beat GW. but i get what your saying and agree.
Ydouneed2nomyname 3 months ago
@Vehementi that AND what he hit the nail on the head, i DONT play PP BECAUSE its small scale, i need my wargames to feel epic in scale.
johnkerry7 3 months ago
@johnkerry7 That's more down to your own personal taste, really, though. It's not really something that's universally wrong with PP's buisness plan. You can't deny that the models are amazing, the fluff is pretty interesting, etc.
The fact that Warhmahordes is played generally in smaller games isn't a bad thing, it's just different to large armies.
However, with the release of the new expansion Warmachine Wrath, the size of the games has gotten a lot bigger, dunno if that interests you or not.
Vehementi 3 months ago
@Vehementi not really, the problem with PP at larger scale is that the price goes up WAAAAAAAAAAY to much for my taste. Almost to the point of being more expensive than a 1500pt GW army. Mantics large scale and cheap price has given me a middle ground, and now with a sci-fi game i have my choice really. But yea, i have played PP before, there is nothing wrong with small scale games sure, however like you said...not my first choice. :)
johnkerry7 3 months ago
Bow wow = blues clues impresion O.o
ZeZombieKiller 3 months ago
its funny, i listened to an interview with Mantics Kings of war developer and he said pretty much what you said, that fantasy wargames have a certain basic guide to them (units movement shooting and fighting).
johnkerry7 3 months ago
male time ?
jappanese 3 months ago
the thing that GW has that other companies have, and you mentioned it, is dominance in the market. They have MASSIVE support with actual stores and pretty much every game shop you walk into supports GW or at least has a good base of GW players. No other game really has that.
johnkerry7 3 months ago
Wait what was your gameshop called in Oregon?
MarshmallowMasta 3 months ago
NOT!
cptBASEBALLBAT 3 months ago
musical is so awesome!
cptBASEBALLBAT 3 months ago
Blues Clues! lol
Reneliel 3 months ago
MAILLLL TIMEEEE
MenOfWarMan 3 months ago
he did the mail time dance and song
wow lol
Ghaz3k 3 months ago
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battleranch 3 months ago