Christopher Hitchens Religion Illustrated 1 of 2

[henryporter101]

Hitchens hasn't proven that God doesn't exist,he just proves that God,if he exists,is a cunt.

[Godtomanonly]

Top 2nd Contact to bottom @Number10gov to lift all up & out of it! They stole it! They have not budged an inch in 2000 years. I will take this to the people. By whatever means my son chooses 21st century style heaven moves with the times. 3in1of2 faithful servants Frederick & Peter I converse with only & no other living or dead. For what is to be completed & done regarding my sphere. I am not a democratic God I am not charitable God & I am not a patient God. OFFICIAL JC2011RTN UK EARTH

[SanguineBullet667]

r.i.p. goats :(

[HugoBossUnzipped]

@raskolnikov1873 Please, where did you find this bit of genius? Thanks for it.

[mik99D]

What I mean is that if the bible was the first three pages and no more. Just the creation myth and left everything else out, then more people would be happy to accept it as it would not lay down any laws, or prophets. It would be like a 'Just So' story or a fable (like Aesop). How am I doing?????

[mik99D]

Religions are myths, their writings and sayings where to fill in the blanks of our ignorance of how the world works. It was also used as a basis to some tortured method of socialism. It was a global method to get basic rights for most who signed up to the creed so it knew no borders. I guess. This is not necessarily correct but it seems an obvious explanation. Look how the bible changes through its time of writing? If it stayed with the first verses of Genesis, more would believe it.

[smithbrain]

I never heard any religious person say that religion is NOT 100% real the ones I met have always believed in their religion

[smyers1987]

To say that what happens in scripture is unethical, requires an objective law with which to judge it's ethicals/morality by. An ethical/moral law requires a ethical/moral law giver. Man is not a valid giver of ethical/moral law for he only has subjective feelings/personal beliefs to judge by. Without an all knowing perfect God who provides a objective law, man has no mean to determine ethics/morality. Atheist can't tell Christians they are unethical/immoral for they lack an objective law.

[Visualiser33]

@smyers1987 It is an interesting fact that everybody who claims "Without an all knowing perfect God who provides a objective law, man has no mean to determine ethics/morality" is proud to show that he never really thought about that claim. Where did your God tell you that slavery is bad? Where did your God tell you that raping women is bad? I found a lot of passages in the bible where your God supports that. So how do you know?

[head909]

i hope CH lives a longer life.

[BlackOps05]

With all due respect to the speaker but not all Christians follow the 'no responsibility' interpretation of the Bible. Specifically, Jesus is believed to volunteer his life for the judgement of humanity and intercede on our behalf at Judgement. The latter becomes effective if one admits guilt and undergoes repentance (which is basically accepting short-term Hell-on-Earth vs Hell-in-death). The end result is learning what you did wrong and becoming a better person for it.

Cont.

[BlackOps05]

Also, the concept of 'police state' God is inheritly wrong under the above beliefs. Humanity has the freedom to choose their actions and thoughts. The whole point is to learn from what we do and think (right and wrong) and eventually arrive at the best end. While God can know your thoughts, that isn't much of an issue if you're trying to be genuinely kind and clean. And yes there is hell (not necessarily infinitely) for wrongs that are unrepented but the nature of Justice is to punish wrongs.

[henryporter101]

Thanks for this video-it's therapy for me.8:41 minutes of profundity.

[midozain]

Indeed, your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six yaum (days or periods of time), and then He Istawa (rose above), the Throne, disposing the affair of everything. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except by His Permission. This is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Won't you then remember?"

[raskolnikov1873]

@midozain This is absolute nonsense. Replace each instance of Allah with Krom, and then sit back and re-read your sentence with fresh ears. You'll see how ridiculous you sound to others.

[midozain]

@raskolnikov1873 krom who ?

[Songblade001]

@midozain Allah who?

[bethnor]

@raskolnikov1873 ALL HAIL KROM!!!!

[cubencis]

@raskolnikov1873 excellent response. long live Krom the mighty!!

[thismindofmine]

@raskolnikov1873 "What is best in life?" To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

[starkweather444]

@raskolnikov1873 Yeah but they didn't mention the Riddle Of Steel.

[Kan2209]

@midozain No no, it's Ukko who is the creator you silly little person.

[midozain]

@Kan2209 i m not silly you dont even know me

[Kan2209]

@midozain Oh, but I have priviliges wit hsanta claus, and his elves told him all about you.

They said you are one of the silliest people around. Respect my authoritaah and my knowledge of the unknown! Because I claim to know it!

[midozain]

@Kan2209 so your 11 years old?

[Kan2209]

As much as you're mind is retarded :/

[dinomand]

@midozain So Allah created the world, humans and whatever else you might think of, including human nature. And now he is forcing us to live and die in the misery that he created. He then profess that we are responsible for the evil that he created,

What hat an absolut creep your God is

And what an absolute moron you must be to believe in such a God.

Even if Allah was real, I would never stick my ass in the air and worship him, if I did I would be a true and utter suckup looser.

[bluessoul1286]

awesome illustration.

[Greenballed]

Look at all the white people in the art....LOL

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

It's funny because during the time in which Moses was meant to exist, there is plenty of evidence of the lives of people during those times, but nothing, not a shred of evidence anywhere in the middle east of the existence of an Exodus. There were people in the Sinai desert during those times that Moses and his people were 'lost' and they would take in Canaanite slaves from Egypt, but not in the numbers claimed by Moses.Those people were in a region called YHW and believed in a god called Yahweh

[SelfAware1]

this is af ucking ethics class. all myth loving religious people , please listen to this moral teaching by mr. hitchens! moratlity is about personal responsibility, and atheists who dont believe in heaven or hell but are still ethical are far more moral then religious people who are good for the reward and are not bad because of fear of punishment. thats a childs ethics. growing up means leaving childhood consolations behind and being a responsible adult.

[cleverfeller]

Rather than be ruled by the religious (The Abrahamic crew of any hue and especially the islamists) I wouild prefer a barbed wire broom handle rammed up my arse and some sharp stones in my shoes and a pan of hot oil balanced on my head.

No No No never again should we allow ourselves to be ruled by the ranting fucking nut cases of Abraham.

[lavellove1]

Yes follow an alcoholic immoral fool. good luck with that all

[AcquiredKnowledge]

@lavellove1,

"Yes follow an alcoholic immoral fool"

Says the person who worships someone who turns water into alcohol as a party trick and condemns ppl for all eternity simply for not loving him. At all times, hypocrisy looms over the theist.

[lavellove1]

@AcquiredKnowledge Jesus speaking I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. 35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.” That is the man i follow. Not an imperfect human.



[AcquiredKnowledge]

@lavellove1,

"That is the man i follow."

YOU completely evaded my point. YOU worship someone who condemns ppl to an eternity of pain and suffering just because they don't love him back. That makes you just as immoral.

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

@AcquiredKnowledge Sounds precisely like Idi Amin. The bible is completely idiotic. I have never seen a book so hypocritical of itself. The arrogance in it is just annoying and any person who is a bar more intelligent than a Christian can see the holes in the text. The bible was written by men, for men and men of high power. It's ironic that the Canaanites rebelled against their superiors and created their own people the Israelites, and now they have the same oppression again within their people

[AcquiredKnowledge]

@LOLDISNEYLAND,

Couldn't agree more with that. The Bible is not only man-made, but it is male-made.

One of the greatest liberators for women's rights and notable suffragist, Elizabeth Cady Stanton was quoted as saying:

"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women's emancipation".

And that's putting it mildly.

[lavellove1]

@AcquiredKnowledge Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. Ezekiel 18:4 Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die The bible does not teach eternal damnation that is a false doctrine.

[AcquiredKnowledge]

@lavellove1,

It is written that Jesus condemns ppl to hell for not loving him. If the Old Testament is in contradiction to this, which it is as you've pointed out, it only shows just how self-contradictory the whole thing is. You pick and choose whatever suits you - the bible itself isn't even consistent. Jesus wasn't even following his own laws, if that's the case. Completely idiotic and unfounded.

[lavellove1]

@AcquiredKnowledge The bible does not contradict itself. The Bible never teaches hellfire. It is symbolic, Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar.

[lavellove1]

@AcquiredKnowledge Acts 2:25-27, KJ: “David speaketh concerning him [Jesus Christ], . . . Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,* neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” (The fact that God did not “leave” Jesus in hell implies that Jesus was in hell, or Hades, at least for a time, does it not?) (*“Hell,” Dy; “death,” NE; “the place of death,” Kx; “the world of the dead,” TEV; “Hades,” AS, RS, JB, NW.)

[lavellove1]

@AcquiredKnowledge Jude 7, KJ: “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (The fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ceased burning thousands of years ago. But the effect of that fire has been lasting; the cities have not been rebuilt.

[lavellove1]

@AcquiredKnowledge God’s judgment, however, was against not merely those cities but also their wicked inhabitants. What happened to them is a warning example. At Luke 17:29, Jesus says that they were “destroyed”; Jude 7 shows that the destruction was eternal.)

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

@lavellove1 that is fine to say, but anyone with a little insight can say this. Society and it's cohesion relies on forms of love and can be very discreet but it's still love.

Jesus really isn't anything special. There are plenty of people in the world that died for others and saved them from sin and other. Doctors are a good example of this. Why would Jesus die on the cross if he was still young? He could have prolonged his hiding, taught a little more in detail and died on the cross later.

[lavellove1]

@LOLDISNEYLAND Romans 5:12 That is why, just as through ONE man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned. A perfect man for a perfect man. Also Christ had to die a painful death to prove satan the fat liar that he is. Job 2:3 Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a MAN has he will give in behalf of his soul. Devil challenged the integrity not only of Job but of any “man” who worships God.

[lavellove1]

@LOLDISNEYLAND Satan did not limit that slur to the righteous man Job but stated it as a general rule regarding mankind. The Bible accordingly calls Satan “the accuser of our brothers.” (Rev. 12:10) He taunts God with the claim that Christians will not remain faithful. Satan claims that you would betray God in order to save your own skin. How do you feel about such charges being heaped upon you?

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

@lavellove1 From my understanding of the bible, Satan is not only allowed by God to exist but he is also seemingly untouchable, until the Book of Revelation days where he is locked up, but for a finite number of years meaning quite possibly that he is unleashed again. When I once was a devout Christian, I couldn't help but not ignore that. I always thought Satan was an angel used by god that tested man. Jesus must therefore think we are stupid since Jesus would know Satan wasn't a nemesis.

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

@lavellove1 Not to sound blasphemous against your God but I honestly think the bible was written for people who really did lack logic and reason. It can still be true for people today, as many do lack logic and reason. I became atheist simply because the christian bible has one if not countless problems that reduce its credibility. One main reason is the OT and some events in it being proven to be false. If the OT lies, then how is the NT any better if it is historically based on it?

[lavellove1]

@LOLDISNEYLAND I'm sorry you feel that way. I see just like you the hypocrisy in religions today. But i still can clearly see that i am wonderfully made. There is no denying to me that our complex bodies, brains and beautiful earth could not have been governed by some blind force. Everything that we as man creates takes thought and effort. So why can't we give God that credit?

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

@lavellove1 But that is the problem alone, you can't accept that maybe the universe itself actually did develop all of what you see and yourself as a human being. No one stated that the there is a BLIND force. It is definitely some sort of force, that has a purpose. We are a reflection of that which has given us existence. Personifying that force as a god is not healthy as people can drag that god to a humanistic level and give it a personality. We don't know god or the universe.

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

@lavellove1 Are you talking about Jesus? His turning of water to wine seemed a bit of a party trick. How is wine of any benefit to people if they are meant to think clearly during such times as described in the bible? Jesus may have been moral, but his father God (God being himself) was above all morality and could kill and set a good example for us immoral humans [sarcasm intended here].

Get em drunk Jesus! I like Jesus because he knows how to party, biblical style!!

[lavellove1]

@LOLDISNEYLAND The Bible condemns drunkenness, but it also warns Christians not to be given to “a lot of wine.”—Titus 2:3; Luke 21:34, 35; 1 Timothy 3:3, Likewise let the aged women be reverent in behavior, not slanderous, neither enslaved to a lot of wine, teachers of what is good. But pay attention to yourselves that YOUR hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life,

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

@lavellove1 Timothy 2:12 also writes this: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

It also goes on to say that because Adam was created first Eve becomes the second class citizen. So as a woman, you must submit to the teachings of a Judaic law even if you are a 'gentile'. Adam was pretty gullible and stupid to eat the apple as well as Eve, they equally do not deserve leadership. Women are the cornerstone of a family and they need respect.

[lavellove1]

@LOLDISNEYLAND The woman was created as a support for the man. This was not a demeaning position as some make it seem. Just as your heart is a small member of your body. Yet it is VITAL for your survival. Women have there roles just as a man has his. They support one another. They have different assignments that's all. A man is given traits for his role and a woman hers. Should i complain because i can not give birth to a child?

[lavellove1]

@LOLDISNEYLAND (1 Timothy 2:12, 13) This does not mean that a woman is to be completely silent at a meeting of the Christian congregation. She is to be silent in the sense of not getting into disputes with a man. She is not to belittle his appointed position or endeavor to teach the congregation. Men have been given the assignment of presiding over and teaching the congregation, but women add much to Christian meetings by participating in them in various ways.

[lavellove1]

@LOLDISNEYLAND Giving us insight into the respective roles of men and women in God’s arrangement, the apostle Paul wrote: “Man is not out of woman, but woman out of man . . . Besides, in connection with the Lord neither is woman without man nor man without woman [neither being independent of the other]. For just as the woman is out of the man, so also the man is through the woman; but all things are out of God.”—1 Corinthians 11:8-12.

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

@lavellove1 One more point I have focussed on Hitchens. Does Hitchens look drunk? Is his behaviour unacceptable? Is he not respectful of human beings?

I find your Christian buddies have the qualities that I mention above maybe except drunkenness.

[lavellove1]

The bible has proven itself with its prophecys that have and are still being fulfilled. When we abide by its guidelines we are benefited. “Since we have these promises, beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in God’s fear.” (2 Corinthians 7:1) Do we not see the benefits of abstaining from smoking and heavy drinking and drug use?

[viperx77]

@lavellove1 please define heavy drinking... I'm enjoying a nice cold Samuel Adams Boston Ale right now... mmmmmmm... beer.

[lavellove1]

“There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) The picture conveyed of a round earth ‘hanging upon nothing’ in “the empty place” reminds us strongly of the photographs taken by astronauts of the sphere of the earth floating in empty space.



[raskolnikov1873]

@lavellove1 Isaiah was wrong. The earth is not a circle (two dimensions) but an oblate spheroid (three dimensions). And no, Job is not talking about the gravitational forces which 'suspend' the earth, because he didn't know anything about that. When the writer of Job looked up at the dome which he believed was fixed over a flat earth, he saw no poles attached and thus asumed that the earth hung on nothing. He was wrong and so are you.

[lavellove1]

@raskolnikov1873 Isaiah was wrong? LOL and who are you to preach this? The prophets of the bible knew the knowledge of the earth not being flat or on a turtle or supported on pillars as other philosophers thought since the beginning. The bible is the only way to find out the answers to life and the troubles of the day.

[LouisPlume]

@lavellove1 That just suggests the Earth was circular at its borders, slightly curved but with an edge, it does NOT suggest it is a sphere..

[lavellove1]

Aristotle, a famous Greek philosopher and scientist of the fourth century B.C.E., taught that the earth could never hang in empty space. Instead, he taught that the heavenly bodies were each fixed to the surface of solid, transparent spheres. Sphere lay nestled within sphere. The earth was innermost; the outermost sphere held the stars. As the spheres revolved one within another, the objects on them—the sun, the moon, and the planets—moved across the sky. the bible had it right

[lavellove1]

, Job 26:7—written more than 3,000 years ago—states that God is “hanging the earth upon nothing.” Says one Bible scholar: “How Job knew the truth, demonstrated by astronomy, that the earth hangs self-poised in empty space, is a question not easily solved by those who deny the inspiration of Holy Scripture.”

[TheAtheistworld]

destroyer, come!!!!!!!

[ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz]

I really don't understand how you can watch this video, and still believe in religion.

[zplnrlz]

Perhaps his greatest speech. Hitchens beautifully sums up his entire argument. No reasonable person could listen to his and not have their faith shaken at least.

[MegaRorita]

amazing. no no no no no no no no no god

[photojack53]

I think this repudiation of religious concepts "hits the nail on the head." How CAN those religious folks indoctrinate and brainwash further generations into a false obedience to their "sky fairy?" And to remove one of the last bastions of their trumped up claims, morality and ethics are not the exclusive domain if religions. Animal studies have conclusively shown through multiple examples in many different species that morality, ethics and even altruism exist and evolved in animals. NO GOD!

[lentmain]

bash@ he says, there is no proof of a god, there never has been any proof... he also states that all three religions, include islam were made up by man....  no philiosophers needed...

[bash1999]

he mentioned that he argued with Muslims!

but he is not saying anything about Islam and Allah "God" in Islam and that it does not need philosopher to prove or discover that there is a creator to this universe or not

his discussion is comparative to his view to Christianity and its view to God, doesn't he?

[gskowal]

@bash1999

you're an idiot...

[bash1999]

thanks for your response.

but you need to tell me why you think that I am an idiot...

unless you don't know.

And next time, please, behave.

[Mercurybath]

@Ramohog

Christians?

[justwannamakeluv]

People are sick of the hide and seek game that god plays and as such more and more people are leaving the church behind and taking responsibilty for their own lives. The excuse the devil made me do it just doesn't cut it anymore. Even Jesus himself said that his own age would age and thankfully he is right!

[grisflyt]

Other inaccuracies.

Camels were not domesticated in the Near East until nearly 1000 years after Abraham's time.

Neither Israel nor Judah emerged as organized kingdoms until significantly after the supposed period of the united monarchy. Israel does not appear as a recognizable kingdom until the time of the Omrides of the 9th century BCE, while Judah does not appear as such until the late 8th century BCE, at the time of kings Ahaz and Hezekiah.

The OT is fiction.

[IrreplacablePerry]

And the NT is not?

[GorgeGeorg]

the hole point of christian sins is to attempt to bind you even more to servicing the religion.

You're sheep, told how to live your life and what to think - don't use your own mind - let the church do that for you.

[massiveants]

this is better listened to without the images

[Robinhook2003]

Ooops !! I forgot to mention that I am not a Christian, but I love to recognize their hard work and the way they paise their Lord doing their best to excel and demostrating God's word power.

[Robinhook2003]

NO dear, Jesus example to cope with the trials of life represents what is to expect when you follow it, and requires departure from the pleasures, interests and rules of this world already given to Satan. With faith, you can start the process, to be entitle to the promise of Eternal Life, wich ends with the fruit of the Holy Spirit, Love. 2 Peter 1:3-11

[richwfd]

I get your meaning, Robinhook2003, but I think that people who do not affiliate themselves with any religious tradition would not be so ready to criticize "christians" if they did not also observe what I have so many times observed; committing the same "sin" over and over but skipping along as if it's OK since they have "been saved", all the while pointing the finger at everyone else and using the buy bull to justify it.........

[Robinhook2003]

Of course they sin, THEY ARE SINNERS!!! Hello???? NOONE have been saved, the way they behave daily will be taken into account in the final judgement day. Pointing fingers at everyone else would prove a Christian wrong since only the ones free of sin can throw the first stone.

[badism]

There is no such thing as sin.

[richwfd]

I.E. people in my own life, Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggert, the Bakers, Larry Craig, the priests in the Catholic Church, Mark Sanford and on and on, but take heart. The buy bull says that "christians" should expect to be ridiculed for their "faith" and even rejoice in it. It just doesn't indicate the truthful reason why; not because it's a noble thing, but because it is arrogant, childish, ignorant, cynical and immature.

[Robinhook2003]

Christians should only expect to deal with the pain that discipline from God's law inflicts upon their hearts where evil lives. The truthful reason was not given to anyone, but when you refer to 'ridiculed for their faith' oh YES indeed, Christians are prepared to face temptation with prayers and rejoice, NOT BY themselves, with the the help of God's Holy Spirit made with one element, Love.

[ziggy471961]

I don't need the father,I don't need Jesus and I don't need the holy spirit or the Bible. I quit drugs and drinking without the help of Jesus, I'm a good husband and father without Jesus. I take responsibility for my own actions and my own life. I do it myself.

[cycorealm35]

Best comment I have ever read on youtube that pertains to religion. I have a sister that's 36 years old. From the age of 16 to 20 she was addicted to crack. My mother did everything possible to help her, but she did not cooperate. One day to our surprise we received a phone call telling us she was getting married and getting out of that 'hell'. Both her and her current husband have been clean for 16 years and have 4 children. They quit because they chose to, not because of god.

[viperx77]

@cycorealm35 yes, but the brainwashed will tell you it's because she was choose by god for higher purpose.... they always have some explanation with no backing evidence.

[cycorealm35]

@ziggy471961 Congratulations!! You are an example to be emulated. We are responsible for our actions whether they're good or bad and we must face the consequences of those actions. There is no god, there is no heaven or hell. We don't know what awaits us after we die, but I'm appalled when Abrahamic religions offer their fairy tale afterlife as an alternative. Such claims that the invisible sky daddy has a plan are absurd. Your family and society appreciates the changes you have made! THANK YOU!

[ziggy471961]

@cycorealm35 Thank you for your kind words. It just goes to show religion doesn't have a monopoly on morality.

[SelfAware1]

@ziggy471961 exactly, me too. you are truly an ethical person who took personal responsibilty for your life without needed someone elses beliefs to get u thru! well done. one day the world will be blessed with more and moer people like u

[Songblade001]

@ziggy471961 So do all the others, but you have the courage and self-respect to take credit for turning your own life around.

Congratulations, by the way! Keep up the great work - you're totally worth it!

[Thagros]

@ziggy471961

Then you're a fucking legend, mate. And a rarity at that.

[CPTBlackDragon07]

@ziggy471961 But you can't forgive sins and make sure that you can get to Heaven when you die without Christ. You can't be everywhere to protect your children. God can as well as His angels.

[ziggy471961]

@CPTBlackDragon07 Why do I need to forgive sins? And as far as heaven it doesn't exist. No I can't be everywhere to protect my children. If the christian god can be everywhere to protect christian children then why are they so not protected?Why are they still subject to abuse and suffering?

[CPTBlackDragon07]

@ziggy471961 Your sins are forgiven through the Blood of Jesus Christ. Heaven does exist, I knw cause my Mom almost died before when she was younger and then died 4 ears ago from 4th Stage Breast Cancer. My Grandparents are there, too! After the Rapture, my wife and other family members and friends will be there. God allows things to happen because of sin. Children still suffer because of what adults and teenagers do to them! They will begone in the Rapture, too (womb-Age of Accountability)

[ziggy471961]

@CPTBlackDragon07 Why does this loving god let adults and tennagers abuse them if he's there to protect? Your answer will be free will and of course satan. The bible is a myth.

[CPTBlackDragon07]

@ziggy471961 Wrong! The answer is SIN! Sin is what causes the problems in the world. This is why Jesus died on the cross. Read a Bible and then look at the world!

[Maxa1577]

@CPTBlackDragon07 But God created everything therefore he created the sin that damns us and made his son only die to save us from it. Nice guy huh?

[Robinhook2003]

It's so easy to manipulate the new testament to your own desire isn't? WELL!! yes, and I said well because I am stunned, yet not surprise, that your claim states that the basic Christian belief is about being bailed out from one's sins through someone's sacrifice

[teriy4ki]

I'm an atheist, and I question Hitchens's statement about Israeli archeology concluding the Moses story to be false. Does anyone know where I can find information on that?

[raskolnikov1873]

Try "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts" by Silberman and Finkelstein. Finkelstein is one of Israel's best and most respected archaeologists in this field. He will confirm what Hitchens asserts here.

[teriy4ki]

Thank you very much.

[badism]

Google it. He's right. It's not thet they concluded it was false, it's that they found absolutely no evidence of the exodus. Not a shred. Not in israel, not in egypt, not anywhere. Which is to be expected of a story from the bible. It's highly likely Moses himself didn't even exist.

[CPTBlackDragon07]

@badism That's actually not true! There is evidence using the InferBlue and they showed this in 2007 and 2008 on the Discovery and PBS Channels. As well as they have untombed the walls of Jerusalem with the signatures and seals of Kings David and Solomon. You can't find Moses because God took his bones and he was on the Mount with both Elijah and Jesus Christ. The Exodus has been proven the past 15 years: books, videos, etc. Including the National Geographic Explorer.

[TheCaptainLulz]

@teriy4ki I took archaeology in university. Infact, not only is there no evidence for the exodus, but the archaeology for the whole of region conflicts with a great deal of the history of the jewish people aswell. A great example of this is the israelite hatred for the caananites. The archaeology infact shows that the israelites WHERE caananites, who left caanan as the city states of caanan where in decline.

[adlerbr12]

@teriy4ki

All you have to do is go to Zahi Hawass web site and follow the links, you will find that he opened the doors to Jewish archeologist for a number of years, and in the end they excepted the fact that exodus never append , they could not find any proof of captivity, or even Jewish artifacts any wear near the pyramids , any way do your research and you will also see that Moses never existed, he his just a fabrication just like the fabled Jesus of Nazareth.

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

@teriy4ki There actually is a lot of indisputable evidence that proves a lot of what the Israelites claimed in their stories were just tall tales. The Israelites WERE former Canaanite people, debased and looking to form a new way of life usually after slavery. They later formed a people(Israelites) that needed a cultural identity and some form of common bind. The elders therefore created legendary tales and laws based on Israelite unity and pride to pass down the generations. This is the Tanakh.

[radbarij]

Wow. This is 8 minutes of the Lord Privy Seal.

[pixelsetc]

Yeah, well its not actually Lord Privy Seal; most of the time, its relevant.

[seacoastofbohemia]

At 1:52 there is an image of a Christ figure holding what looks like a baby T-Rex. Assuming God made the T-Rex, he is therefore accountable for its fierce, carnivorous nature. Why would he feel the need to correct his own work, ie make it change somehow from a highly successful meat eater to a pasive creature? Maybe he got it wrong the first time.

[Thebookguy1]

I love it!

[BobbyColePopMusic]

People of faith who willingly believe the story of what any religion teaches them are mentally delusional. This is frightening to me because many of them are smart, intellegent people who hold important jobs in our sociiety.

[gezzer2]

couldnt aggree with u more m8, u are not alone its pathetic.

[garveya1]

Mentally delusional though I feel is over doing it a bit. I was once a person of faith, and calling it a delusion (though by definition may be accurate) doesn't represent it well from the believers point of view.

When I was a believer I didn't here angles or see demons, I simply believed a story that was pumped into my head since birth. Like an old wise tale or a home remedy for curing hiccups or something.

Human conformity and brainwashing is very powerful.

[megamanium]

@garveya1

If you believe things you also know are impossible, it is delusional

[garveya1]

We can't really say anything is impossible. As much as humans know we probably have well less than 1% of all the possible knowledge in the universe. With that being said we can't say that a creator is 'impossible', all we can say is with the current knowledge that we have, a belief in a creator is unwarranted.

People of faith don't believe a creator is impossible.

[megamanium]

If the thing in question is internally contradictory, then it is IMPOSSIBLE. Sorry, but thems the brakes.

[garveya1]

Considering you find religion in all societies stretching all across the globe, at any recorded time period. I would say that it definitely isn't internally contradictory.

[megamanium]

How does the number of people's participation equal validity? Don't you see you are just pulling at straws?

[garveya1]

I think you're confused. Validity of what? That religion is internally contradictory?

Murder, stealing, etc is internally contradictory. This is why it has been frowned upon throughout all of mankind's history. Religion has been widely accepted and sometimes mandatory throughout history.

This is a clear sign that it is NOT internally contradictory. We can't say god is impossible, and thus we can't say all religious ppl are delusion (not to say that some aren't, but they aren't by default).

[megamanium]

You contradicted yourself, so it's a "clear" sign that YOU don't understand yours or my argument. God is described in very particular ways in the bible and they are contradictory. He's both inside and outside of time for one.

Validity of the claim that god exists is what you and I are talking about, did you forget?

[garveya1]

Pay attention mega, we're not talking about the validity of god existing, that's why your confused. We're talking about if it's appropriate to say religious people are delusional.

You said that if you believe something you know is impossible, you are delusional. Which is ridiculous because religious people don't know it's impossible. Then you said it is internally contradictory and its not.

Are you saying that an omnipotent being wouldn't have the ability to be inside and outside of time?

[megamanium]

I have been talking about god this entire time. I said the belief in the existence of god is internally contradictory and it is. God is outside of time and space and yet isn't at the same time. Most believers see it both ways when that is internally contradictory.

God is described as being outside and untestable, while he's inside and effects things physically. They can't have it both ways. That is the version of god I hear the most.

I have been paying attention, have you?

[garveya1]

You're not paying attention, you just said we're talking about the validity of god and we're not. I've been on topic the whole time.

An omnipotent being by definition can have it both ways. He would be able to effect things physically while still be able to stay outside of our ability to test him.

Or his means by interacting with us could be so complex it would be like an ant trying to test us humans.

It's not internally complex if you believe the being is omnipotent and not mortal.

[megamanium]

I've been talking about the validity of god, maybe you weren't? Anyways the law of contradiction goes a little something like this 'A does not equal "Not A"'.

God cannot be exclusively outside of physicality and inside of it at the same time. If you cannot make a square circle, you cannot be that. Omnipotent would mean he's inside of physicality and thus has effects that are measurable.

This idea that god's too smart for us is annoying and beneath you.

[garveya1]

No I wasn't actually, and considering you replied to my initial comment about how to define delusional you are the one who changed the subject.

An omnipotent being would have the ability to not only take up everything inside and outside of space, but also be immeasurable. I don't think any religious person says he is exclusively one or the other, most say he is both.

But look, if you want to talk to someone about god's validity talk to a christian. I'm right with you, I see no validity in it.

[megamanium]

Not exclusively one or the other, but both exclusively (being contradictory). It's immeasurable BECAUSE of it's location outside AND effects our lives inside. That is internally contradictory and what I'd consider delusional thought.

I didn't pick up that you were arguing definitions of delusionality (still unconvinced). I was talking about the existence of god (and more specifically the delusionality of it). I looked at the dialog again and I don't see definitions. Where are they?

[garveya1]

Well I feel like we're just playing semantics at this point and not getting anywhere.

I've never heard a person say, and when I was a believer I never said that "God is exclusively inside and outside of space and time".

Saying exclusively puts a limit on where an omnipotent being can be, which I don't think anyone does.

I would say at best you can't find validity in a deist kind of god, but there is no validity in the god of the bible, quran, torah, etc. I think we can agree there.

[megamanium]

I hear ALL the time that god is outside of physicality so we can't test his effects, and yet they also say he has control over physical things. That is contradictory, I don't know why you can't understand that.

A deist god is as close to believing as I will get, but have absolutely no reason to believe that a deist god exists.

[seacoastofbohemia]

Psychiatrists consider a widespread delusion to be more "normal" than a delusion manifested by just one person...

[garveya1]

That makes sense.

[LogicSpeaks]

I've seen this vid several times... I love this. Feels extremely liberating to hear someone say that to a large audience and at the same it pisses you off that all these things actually happen. That religious people actually believe this tripe.

Thank evolution for Hitchens!

[o8QWERTYo8]

6:49 ~~ "It's NOT true."

[nyomythus]

Nice!!! I like these!