Video #16, "Rick's Pipe Dream" Magnetic Motor - Generator

[ggibney0856]

This video has a problem and stops at 4:46 and cannot be moved forward....

[TheRickoff]

@ggibney0856 Sorry to hear you had a problem, but I assure you there is no problem with the video. I just watched it, and it worked fine. Your problem was caused either by a YouTube malfunction or your computer.

[yamahonkawazuki]

@TheRickoff aye. worked fine for me too

[jib1000]

@TheRickoff If they worked why can't we build them? Oh, thats right, its impossible.

[TheRickoff]

@jib1000 It's only impossible if you have a closed mind, which appears to be the case. In Leonardo's day, all of his inventions were thought to be impossible. Many of these waited centuries to be realized. For example, his 720 foot single span bridge design waited until 2006 to be built by the Turkish government. Why knock DaVinci? He was obviously one of the greatest, and most diversified thinkers and achievers of all time.

[jib1000]

@TheRickoff Having an open mind does NOT allow you to bend physics to your whim. Da Vinci knew that his ideas on perpetual motion were impossible, that's why he abandoned them after a few years studying and moved on to things that would work, like bridges, cars, and airplanes.

You are still trying to work out how to do things that, common sense, physics, and history tell you are impossible. Perpetual motion is impossible. Open you mind up all you want. Energy must come from somewhere.

[TheRickoff]

@jib1000 You miss the whole point then. I am not working to build a perpetual motion machine. Yes, energy must come from somewhere, but energy is everywhere. Those who don't understand that are closed minded.

[gazzaka]

seems like either magnets or purely mechanical means could be used to move the stator

[apezak]

Hey Rick, whats your thought about using magnet shielding?

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[TheRickoff]

Magnetic shielding has been used for decades, and it does have its place. That place is with a fixed stator design, which isn't the case here. My build uses a moving stator, and requires no shielding. I don't want to shield the attraction or repulsion forces - I want to fully utilize them to advantage, and a moving stator is the best way to accomplish this.

[AlienNRG]

Good job sir.

Looks like all you need is a spring to pull the stator inward and a cam on the wheel to push the stator away.

It will be interesting if you can overcome the mechanical losses.

[TheRickoff]

Thank you, Alien. I don't plan to use a spring, because I want to keep drag to a bare minimum. I won't exactly be using a cam either, although the monorail track which I am installing will have the same effect as a cam. It will slowly weave inward and outwards 1/2" or so out beyond the perimeter of the wheel, if you can picture that.

[overunitydotcom]

The Tomi Video in my own videos

over here.

Just go to my youtube account and there it is.

Regards, Stefan.

[TheRickoff]

I see it, Stefan. I don't see where this would be of advantage in my preferred configuration as shown in this video, but it would help out with a fixed stator. I could test that for you, if that would be of help to what you are working on. Watch video #17, available later tonight, to see my flywheel connected, and e-mail me with details of how you would propose to setup for the test. Best regards, Rick

[overunitydotcom]

Please try to use 90 degrees bended iron bar plates as I used in my TOMI video.

It really helps to guide the magnetic flux away from the sticking points.

Good luck.

Regards, Stefan.

[TheRickoff]

Hi Stefan. I'm not sure what TOMI video you are referring to, since more than 12,000 show up in a search on that word. Anyways, sticky points really aren't a problem in this build. The sticky points would normally be at the front of each rotor group, where attraction comes into play, but you can see that the groups are drawn in towards the stator and then accellerated, even from a standstill. There is accelleration at both ends of each group.

[jbignes5]

You might want to look more at your bearings or something in the holding mechanism because when you bring the stator mags over the wheel, the wheel rises a bit. that might be slowing your revs a bit. Improving the resistance to lateral movements of your bike rim should net you some more revs and easier operation as well.

[TheRickoff]

Hi, jbig. Yes, as I've pointed out a few times, this is a junk wheel which was severely bent and rusted, and has wicked bad bearings. I have a spanking new replacement for it, but am holding off a bit. I figure that if I can make this one work fairly well then the new one will work all the better. I don't mind the handicap for now. Best regards to you. :)

[TheRickoff]

Drevtoob, I went to reply to your post and must have hit the Remove link rather than the Reply one, as your message suddenly disappeared. Sorry about that. Could you post your question again, please. Thank you. - Rick

[destinazionealtrove]

Hello Rick, I wanted to congratulate you for the model built and to share this with clarity.

I wanted to ask, how much force it takes to move the stator? is plausible that the turning wheel can move automatically?  thanks

[TheRickoff]

Hi destin, and thank you. The force required to move the stator is dependent upon the height of the stator magnet above the rotor magnets. As you lower the stator arm, more force is required, and visa versa. In this video the distance is 1", and although the stator still moves fairly easy, it is probably 5 to 10 times the force required when set at 1.75" as in video #15. I do feel that this wheel can be a self-runner, and that is what I am working towards.

[vonwolf666]

Rick looks promising, I'm working on something like this. if you can design a sort of cam to run off the hub so there is little drag you might get the right movement with from the stator. Good luck

[TheRickoff]

Hi Vonwolf, and thanks for your comment. I'll be trying out a monorail track system, as I mentioned in an earlier comment, but I'd love to see many people joining this project and trying out other methods such as you mention. There are many ways that the stator movement can be accomplished, and I have long since considered most all of the possibilities which are practical. I hope you continue your interest and that you join in this effort. Best regards, Rick

[TheRickoff]

As I mentioned earlier on, I really don't have enough time to engage in protracted arguments or debates, and it is difficult to change anyone's mindset once it is firmly established. Therefore, I simply ask that everyone keep their minds open to the possibility, however slim, that the principles I am showing you may be brought together to provide a working magnetic motor. I concede that I may fail, but I would surely fail if I didn't at least try.

[TheRickoff]

To succeed, I must first believe that this can be done, and I certainly do believe that. Secondly, I must maintain a positive outlook even in the face of discouraging results. Remember that negative results can teach us just as much as positive ones, and we can then work on solutions that overcome such negative results.  That is how I have proceeded, and you can see that my results are now definitely on the positive side.

[TheRickoff]

Instead of thinking of reasons why you think this will not work, you can be more helpful by thinking about ways to enhance the methods I have demonstrated, and suggest these enhancements to me. If they are good ones, I will implement them and give you the credit you deserve. Those who have no positive thoughts to offer should either keep negative thoughts to themselves, and watch silently, or look elsewhere for another place to air their opinions. Let's focus on moving this forwards, please

[Asymmatrix]

Unless Rick pulls a rabbit out of a hat, this is a nonworking device as shown. I wish him well though.

[TheRickoff]

I'm no magician, and there are no tricks involved here. Any blanket statement that it does not (or can not) work is meaningless unless you can explain why. Can you? I don't think so. Besides, where would we be today if the Wright brothers din't pursue their dream of a flying machine when it was generally accepted as an impossibility, or if Tesla had listened to Edison's rants that alternating current was impractical and too dangerous? Anyways, thanks for the well wishing. I appreciate that.

[Asymmatrix]

Yes, I can explain why, and my posting is not meant to be disrespectful. You'll notice that you need to move the stator arm to gain movement in the disk. This shows that without energy input, it does not work. The attractive-repulsive forces cancell each other out, and the result is stasis. Fun design, though Rick.

[TheRickoff]

Yes, it does require a small amount of energy to move the stator, but the attraction and repulsion forces will provide most of that energy, with the flywheel effect providing the rest. The attraction and repulsion forces do not cancel each other out in this design as they do in others. In fact, they are additive. Each magnet group takes full advantage of attraction to draw in and accellerate it, and then repulsion is used at the back end of each group to give further accelleration.

[Asymmatrix]

What you're describing will not work, all forces will cancel each other out. I haven't watched all of your videos, is this a shielded stator setup? I ssumed not, because yours is mounted flat. That's one thing I thought might have potential. Thanks.

[TheRickoff]

There you go again with another blanket statement. You really do need to watch all the videos to understand what is at play here. The motive forces are fully explained. No, I use absolutely no shielding, as this would only detract from the energy potentials.

[TheRickoff]

By moving the stator, I avoid the anti rotational forces of both "sticky points" and undesired repulsion. The MOSTAT makes full and beneficial use of both these forces in an additive manner as each group passes the stator. So there is no cancellation effect. If there were, you would not see what you do in this video - instead, the wheel would either not rotate at all or would just limp along.

[TheRickoff]

Surely you can reason how the flywheel heft, when added on, will create far more inertial force at the wheel's perimeter than is now available with this lightweight wheel and small magnets. If I can spin the wheel as fast after adding the flywheel as I could without it, then would you agree that I have greatly increased the available force to accomplish the MOSTAT movement, and that it might just work? I will demonstrate a new speed test after installation of the flywheel.

[Asymmatrix]

Hey, I do wish you luck, but in every demonstration I've seen of this, and there are many, what you're describing is moving the stator arm manually to propel the wheel past the sticky spot. This input of energy ultimately equates to the rotational force seen, regardless of all other factors. Anyway, good luck Rick I'll be watching.

[TheRickoff]

Yes Asym, I know what you mean, but that's not the case here. In my "cat's meow" preferred arrangement., as demonstrated in videos 14 through 16, there is no "sticky point" or anti rotational repulsion to overcome, as the stator movement avoids these pitfalls.

[Asymmatrix]

Rick, that's what I'm saying. The stator movement requires energy input, in both directions, and you can't extract it from the moving wheel or the magnets without creating stasis in every setup I've seen.

[TheRickoff]

Thanks for remaining polite in your arguments, Asym. I appreciate that, and I also understand where your thoughts are coming from and why. Still, you haven't answered my question of two posts earlier. If you agree to my flywheel analysis, then you must also agree that I can in fact extract the energy from the wheel which is needed to move the stator. I have only moved it manually for the demos, and soon will be moving it with my tracking system.

[Asymmatrix]

Rick, I disagree with your flywheel analysys. But, please don't let this critic deter you from seeing your project through. I can only comment on what I have seen through my experiences. I wish you success.

[TheRickoff]

Don't worry, I won't be deterred by any amount of criticism. :) I suggest you study flywheel energy storage (FES) principles, which do work and have been utilized by several different methods ever since the wheel came into use. Thanks for your good wishes. - Rick

[waditto404]

If you want respect in belief your motor works makes sure you show all angles, good lighting, and prove you have no fishing lines straggling around to cause doubt.

No disrespect.. just have massive debacle after the Mylow situation. Their are couple video's showing the line with video sharpening effects and him stepping over to dodge something. Check out the vid's on peswiki.

I wish the best of luck with your designs.. just don't dwell on hoax designs. I did mpmm and a couple others.

[TheRickoff]

Hi waditto, and thanks for your good luck wishes. I'm well aware of the Mylow debacle, and it really is unfortunate that it has stirred so much controversy. Don't worry, I will leave no stone unturned in fully revealing everything about my device.  I am trying to offer as much light as possible without creating reflective glare, and high resoulution, sharp focused video. After I complete my flywheel and tracking system I will take the device before a live audience of several people.

[TheRickoff]

I will invite a science teacher, a mechanic, and other other interested observers, as well as skeptics,  to inspect the device before the demonstration, and then even dismantle any part of the device afterwards. I think that should be enough, and only wish that Mylow had done the same, since the flak that is now being aimed at him also does great damage to serious projects like this one. I simply refuse to give up in my quest because my experiences with this have been very positive.